THE SKY IS FALLING...or...why does Peavey suck...
brad&dadYetter
Jeez Frosti,
I never bought another thing from Peavey after my first tweed retro
hybrid brand new '73 amp blew up on stage first time at bat, second
song. But I had no idea Hartley was such a scumbag! He seems so sincere
and everything in those free Monitor mags nobody buys for $3.
Now that you mention it, he does look kinda short. Where's the Men In
Black?
I haven't liked southern whites since a hitch in the service anyway.
They're good shots though.
Oops, oh yeah, now that I think of it, I did go through 2 or 3 Peavey
guitars in the past. T-60: 1 week, T-26: 3 days, T-27: long gone but
once I did get a Dwayne Allman sound out of it for one song in
rehearsal, then never found it again. Reminds me of something the editor
of EasyRiders magazine said once about a Honda Gold wing: "They're like
f'kin' a man, feels good 'till someone sees ya doin' it." Yeah, the
necks were OK, but did an Italian cheapo guitar designer program the
CadCam body saw?
-steve y-
Frosti
Same reason..see, u can be a jack of all trades, and a master
of none. Look at all the PV crap..mixers, amps, keyboards
(boy, did they suck!), guitars, drums (HAHAHAH), you name it, and only
the VERY FEW are even decent...most suck eggs..
PV raw speakers...sooo bad they don't even use them in every
item, they use other brands...PV guitars, hell they personify
the term "don't suck for the money". Mixers?...everyone used
one at one time, till they steped up to the 'real world'...power amps,
hey...sparks a flying...real dogshit. BUT again...they don't suck for
the $$$$$...do they?
PV tries to get into every market they can...a cut out of everyones'
pie...and those who build decent stuff, love it because once some
newbie buys a PV item, they long for the 'good stuff'...
PV buys every competitor unit they can, and tries to copy it at
a lower cost...cutting corners others won't dare...like tubes, ever
get a new PV tube amp without shitty tubes?...didn't think so...
hey..dig the hiss out of those new 'flex' units..do u really
think they give a rat's ass if it's low enough..na, make it, ship
it..someday they will buy some other brand, but for now, get
the money....
OH. now I know some of u folks love your PV gear, and will
defend it against all odds, ...and u cannot argue with the
companies success...but it's on the backs of folks who belive
they are getting decent product...
for Hartley don't give a shit about your future...he is creating his
own, with your money...planes, museums to himself, boats and
what not... sellig you something he KNOWS sucks...cutting corners
everywhere just to get a bigger cut of the pie...
and Carvin is just a PV wanna be...
but they are not alone....
u think Fender is any better?....what about Crate?...gad, they make
PV look like angels...look what they did to Ampeg....blue Doo-Doo
amps...nice gold corners that chip right away...backlights so u can
see glow to remind u of tubes?...maybe if they used that money
to build a decent amp, they's be better off...no, the mojo is what
sells....
na...PV isn't the only bastard in the world, but one of the biggest
around...
Frostie.....(who don't give a shit what you think either)
Van Miller
Ok hot shot! You think you can do better? Let's see you start your
own musical instrument company & see if you can blow these dudes outta
the water. Otherwise, JUST SHUT UP & PLAY YER GUITAR!!!! I rest my
case.
Van Miller
Frosti
ya right...like your opinion matters...
nope...won't play that game..what's the matter, 'Van Miller'...u work
for him?.....na, hope u get paid better then that...
at least the other dude had a snappy comeback...
us service people love PV...and Crate too... good for business...
They charge us $3 for a schamatic..which of course, we
pass the savings on to you...heheheheh
ever look inside one...???...cheap design, and poor
parts..although Crate is far worse then PV on that area.
see, u folks miss my whole point...PV makes shitty products, and
instead of taking the money to build it right, uses it for other more
important items..like a museum about ol' HP himself..
they will ship crap, eat the returns, and jusy fix them and then ship
as new......but then again, all folks do that to some extent, but none
so shamefully as the old redneck himself...
he got planes..big jets...a few of them...his own airport...
can buy and sell rock stars (hi EVH) and shove bullshit like
'TransTube" down your face...after of course stealing the design
someone else (hi mr. Pritchard)...then pay the guy off to shut him
up...
na...HP isn't that bad, nor is the company...u want to buy crap, step
right up to the many PV dealers who will suck dogs to get the line
so they too can have a piece of the pie...
suckers.....
Frosti.. (laughing so loud you can hear him from where u are)
ps...more true PV facts coming soon.....
Scott Vita
Sounds like a disgruntled ex-Peavey employee if I've ever heard one. So
what if their stuff ain't the greatest...it ain't the most expensive either.
From what I can see both Peavey and Carvin produce a great range of products
for beginner and intermediate musicians. Not everyone can afford to start
at the top of the line. As far as HP goes, he has the right to do whatever
the hell he wants with HIS money. If you don't like his stuff then don't buy
it...if enough folks agree with you he'll be out of business anyway.
Scott Vita
sv...@worldnet.att.net
Spayd
I agree that PV is a piece of shit company, I started out with one of their
amps, though, it was a backstage and cost me $50.. it wasn't the best, but
it worked, y'know? It SERVED IT"S PURPOSE.. I also currently own an EVH 5150
head that I bought because of the *GLOWING* reviews on harmony-central...
too bad when I got it it sounded kinda like #U(*$Y#*(&^$(!@*&$*#(&^...
opened it up, stared at the shitty RUBY tubes, put in some groove tubes..
better. I still barely use the fucking thing, my old trusty marshall can do
anything this pV can do and more.... I don't even want to look at the
wolfgang guitar.
~Spayd~
It's all good!
Dave
Frosti wrote:
Your daddy's gonna give you a spanking when he finds out you've been on
his computer again.
8^) Dave
Mark
FINALLY I AM NOT FUCKING ALONE IN THIS!
I've been saying this for awhile and all the drones love to defend
Peavey like he was their DAD.
PEAVEY is what you get when you know you arent serious about music and
are just gonna give up after a few weeks.
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Mark <Ace...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<34C24C6A...@ix.netcom.com>...
Better that than spend the money on expensive shit, then find out you hate
the discipline it takes to play. Ya gotta start somewhere.
And as far as HP and his money, Go'bless Ameleeka!
MIke
T. Dave
Aaron Turner
Spayd (crazy...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: opened it up, stared at the shitty RUBY tubes, put in some groove tubes..
: better. I still barely use the fucking thing, my old trusty marshall can do
: anything this pV can do and more....
So why on earth did you buy the PV then (presumably without listening to
it)
Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner
Mark (Ace...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: PEAVEY is what you get when you know you arent serious about music and
: are just gonna give up after a few weeks.
More what you get when you don't have that much money. I have seen plenty
of people quite serious about music but poor use PV stuff for a long time.
P.S. I don't own a shred of PV stuff myself
Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner
Frosti (Fro...@snow.man) wrote:
: us service people love PV...and Crate too... good for business...
Funny..in the uk PV stuff has a reputation for being really quite tough.
And the Pallaedium bass was quite nice.
Aaron Turner
Pat Lyman
> PEAVEY is what you get when you know you arent serious about music and
> are just gonna give up after a few weeks.
>
Well.... among lower priced PA cabs (Carvin, Soundtech, etc.) they're
not too bad, as long as you use them for vocals only.
Many of us in the $50 to $100 per man per gig bar arena don't have the
wherewithal to buy the high priced spreads. In the scheme of
priorities, it is often primary instrument, amp(s), secondary
instrument(s), and PA gear is pretty down the food chain as far as
allocation of bucks.
Remember, I'm referring to PA cabs only.
Spayd
In article <34C286...@erols.com>, "T. Dave" <nospam4...@erols.com>
wrote:
Hey, wait a minute about CRATE, now.. i've found their shit is a lot better
than PV, and the blue voodoo head is pretty fuckin' nice, my rhy.guitarist
has one and I like it a lot more than the 5150!
Spayd
In article <69u32c$qav$5...@pump1.york.ac.uk>, ag...@york.ac.uk (Aaron Turner)
wrote:
So why on earth did you buy the PV then (presumably without listening to
it)
Aaron Turner<<
Simple... word of mouth reputation, lots of positive feedback here and at
the review section of harmony central, and even EVH said it was good.. I had
to mail order. No biggie, it was only $375 for the head (used), so 'yknow?
RAJOR
> > PEAVEY is what you get when you know you arent serious about music and
> > are just gonna give up after a few weeks.
> >
ya know, not all of us have the money to buy a Les Paul Custon and a
Marshall Stack to start out with.
george
Spayd
In article <19980119025...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mas...@aol.com
(MAS017) wrote:
>>>(2) Some of you may say "But wait a minute.. What about Eddie Van Halen
and his
5150 ?"
Well even Eddie himself has stated in interviews that though he may use the
5150 LIVE, he still uses his old Marshalls in the studio to record with.....
That about says it all right there folks !!
Besides, a product endorsement from EVH is useless anyway. He may be one of
history's greatest rock guitarists, but his product loyalty is somewhat
hilarious.....
How many brands has he endorsed now ????
Kramer... Ernie Ball....Peavey.....etc....
<<<
Well, eddie dropped kramer because they were going under. Then he and
musicman/ernie ball had a "falling out".. and he DOES use the 5150's in the
studio, as I quote the Jan 1997 Guitar World (w/bush on the cover):
EVH: ...i definately feel that I am hogging the spectrum of sound on our
records... I have five 5150s, three for dirt and two for clean.
GW: So you're not using marshalls anymore?
EVH: I use them and hiwatts now and again, but the meat of the sound-the
beef- are the 5150s.
Still, IMHO, not that good of an amp.. remember: EVH's tone comes from his
FINGERS mainly, not his equipment so much. I would guarantee that if you
give Ed a cheap-ass hondo strat or something, into say a kustom practice
amp, give him 5 minutes to tweak the settings, and you'd know by EAR that
that was EVH....
As for other peavey endorsers/users, doesn't steve stevens (billy idol) now
use ernie ball EVH guitars and 5150s? I know dave mustaine of megadeth has
used 5150s in the past/present (though he still uses marshalls and such) ,
Brad Whitford from Aerosmith uses them as well.I believe george lynch also
uses Peavey Classic 50s? Jennifer Batten uses the Ultra120 stack...any more
famous users?
future perfect
Ha!
I just saw Deep Purple, and Steve Morse used 3 Peavey stacks...sounded
pretty good to me...
Dave Eichenberger
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Frosti <Fro...@snow.man> wrote in article
<34c29ba2...@snews.zippo.com>...
> Same reason..see, u can be a jack of all trades, and a master
> of none. Look at all the PV crap..mixers, amps, keyboards
> (boy, did they suck!), guitars, drums (HAHAHAH), you name it, and only
> the VERY FEW are even decent...most suck eggs..
>
> PV raw speakers...sooo bad they don't even use them in every
> item, they use other brands...PV guitars, hell they personify
> the term "don't suck for the money". Mixers?...everyone used
> one at one time, till they steped up to the 'real world'...power amps,
> hey...sparks a flying...real dogshit. BUT again...they don't suck for
> the $$$$$...do they?
>
> PV tries to get into every market they can...a cut out of everyones'
> pie...and those who build decent stuff, love it because once some
> newbie buys a PV item, they long for the 'good stuff'...
>
> PV buys every competitor unit they can, and tries to copy it at
> a lower cost...cutting corners others won't dare...like tubes, ever
> get a new PV tube amp without shitty tubes?...didn't think so...
>
> hey..dig the hiss out of those new 'flex' units..do u really
> think they give a rat's ass if it's low enough..na, make it, ship
> it..someday they will buy some other brand, but for now, get
> the money....
>
> OH. now I know some of u folks love your PV gear, and will
> defend it against all odds, ...and u cannot argue with the
> companies success...but it's on the backs of folks who belive
> they are getting decent product...
>
> for Hartley don't give a shit about your future...he is creating his
> own, with your money...planes, museums to himself, boats and
> what not... sellig you something he KNOWS sucks...cutting corners
> everywhere just to get a bigger cut of the pie...
>
> and Carvin is just a PV wanna be...
>
> but they are not alone....
>
> u think Fender is any better?....what about Crate?...gad, they make
> PV look like angels...look what they did to Ampeg....blue Doo-Doo
> amps...nice gold corners that chip right away...backlights so u can
> see glow to remind u of tubes?...maybe if they used that money
> to build a decent amp, they's be better off...no, the mojo is what
> sells....
>
> na...PV isn't the only bastard in the world, but one of the biggest
> around...
>
>
> Frostie.....(who don't give a shit what you think either)
>
>
>
>
MAS017
RE: Regarding Peavey
I have only two (2) comments:
(1) As far as amps are concerned. I have never played or heard a Peavey with
good distortion. They may have fine amps for Country players, but not for
rockers !
Chief Wiggum
> and his
> 5150 ?"
> Well even Eddie himself has stated in interviews that though he may use the
> 5150 LIVE, he still uses his old Marshalls in the studio to record with.....
> That about says it all right there folks !!
> Besides, a product endorsement from EVH is useless anyway. He may be one of
> history's greatest rock guitarists, but his product loyalty is somewhat
> hilarious.....
> How many brands has he endorsed now ????
> Kramer... Ernie Ball....Peavey.....etc....
> <<<
>
> musicman/ernie ball had a "falling out".. and he DOES use the 5150's in the
> studio, as I quote the Jan 1997 Guitar World (w/bush on the cover):
>
> EVH: ...i definately feel that I am hogging the spectrum of sound on our
> records... I have five 5150s, three for dirt and two for clean.
> GW: So you're not using marshalls anymore?
> EVH: I use them and hiwatts now and again, but the meat of the sound-the
> beef- are the 5150s.
>
> Still, IMHO, not that good of an amp.. remember: EVH's tone comes from his
> FINGERS mainly, not his equipment so much. I would guarantee that if you
> give Ed a cheap-ass hondo strat or something, into say a kustom practice
> amp, give him 5 minutes to tweak the settings, and you'd know by EAR that
> that was EVH....
>
> As for other peavey endorsers/users, doesn't steve stevens (billy idol) now
> use ernie ball EVH guitars and 5150s? I know dave mustaine of megadeth has
> used 5150s in the past/present (though he still uses marshalls and such) ,
> Brad Whitford from Aerosmith uses them as well.I believe george lynch also
> uses Peavey Classic 50s? Jennifer Batten uses the Ultra120 stack...any more
> famous users?
Eddie gave Jerry Canrell from Alice in Chains a couple stacks and guitars.
I think the 5150 appeared on the new AIC album on "Sludge Factory" as
I recall...
peace,
Chief
Frosti
ha ha ha
Hey, I ain't no ex PV employee...do i sound like a redneck?
but almost all of you are missing my point...I do not blame PV and
HP for this, it's u assholes who keep buying this crap...
EVERYTIME PV comes out with some new idea, u eat it up...
Transtube..HA..what a crock..almost tube sound with hiss and
noise...but it no sucka for da mony, si?
EVERY amp is nothing but a 1-trick pony...can u say 5150?
I bet u can...but only one way...hehehehehe
IF YOU FOLKS STOPPED BUYING THEIR SNAKE OIL,
THEN THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO BUILD IT RIGHT...
and again, they are not alone...almost every major
company does this, it's just PV does it and laughs all
the way to the bank...with your money, and disapointment,
as they could care less if u ever come back, they KNOW
80% of PV 1st time buyers never buy again...
they smarten up...fast...
Their design people must be real losers...or forced to cut
so many corners, they pull what little hair out they have
to meet HP's profit point...
Hey, if Mackie can buld mixers at those price points
that don't suck, why with alllllllllllll PV's vast factories
(23 of them, remember?) do it..??...not enought profit.
AND PLEASE...don't even mention a Les Paul and a PV guitar
in the same breath...one is music, the PV firewood...
U folks who bought 5150's with Ruby tubes should praise the Lord, what
about the poor souls who bought them with the real shitty Chinese
tubes PV still has a shitload of left...but then again, u fools still
bought them...gotta sound liike Eddie, huh?
ya, as IF his amps are exactly like the crap u buy...HAHAHAHA
but wait...there is more to come...I ain't done yet, and when I am
u will ALL thank me, on your knees....
Frosti ("he ain't no iceman, brother")
MAS017
EVH's album "BALANCE" featured all old Marshalls..... he DID NOT use the 5150
to record this album.
Be careful with endorsements.
I have even seen ads featuring Yngwie Malmsteen endorsing ZOOM, CRATE, and
DIGITECH.
But the truth is, they sent him the stuff, he made a PRESET program for them,
and they advertise.. "YNGWIE USES BRAND XXXX"............... I assure you, he
ONLY records with Marshall 1987 MKII amps, TS-9 or DOD250 overdrives and a
bit of reverb at the mixing board.
Spayd
In article <19980119150...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mas...@aol.com
(MAS017) wrote:
<<
Where did you hear that Balance was recorded with marshalls? All I know that
NOW he uses the 5150s, so on tracks like "Me Wise Magic" or "Can't get this
no MORe" you're hearing EVH through the Wolfgang and 5150. BTW, i don't work
for PV, just an EVH fan/afficiando.
Spayd
Aaron Turner
Frosti (Fro...@snow.man) wrote:
: EVERYTIME PV comes out with some new idea, u eat it up...
No we don't - we assess whether it works or not. I think Peavey's low end
bass stuff (TNT) sounds bloody awful and muddy, but the MkIV and above
soudns ok. NEver liked the sound of Bandits, etc., but played a couple of
Peavey basses and found them really nice. Their power amps do the job.
Basically PV makes some good stuff and some crap stuff, and some of it
seems to last forever.
So sensible people will use good PV stuff and not the crap stuff.
: and again, they are not alone...almost every major
: company does this, it's just PV does it
Well.. more fool people who don't shop around manufacturers then. I've not
got more than 2 pieces of gear from a single manufacturer. Well, that
second hand Boss turbo overdrive does mean I have 3 bits of Boss gear.
Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner
MAS017 (mas...@aol.com) wrote:
: (1) As far as amps are concerned. I have never played or heard a Peavey with
: good distortion.
Same here, but I've not heard the transtube stuff, nor any valve-driven
Peavey guitar amps. But then Fender amps are often not to people's taste
in distortion, which was what pedals were made for. An awful lot of
classic rock was drive by solid state stomp boxes in front of amps (e.g.
most of Led Zep).
: How many brands has he endorsed now ????
: Kramer... Ernie Ball....Peavey.....etc....
NEarly as bad as Oasis...
Aaron Turner
Grom_Helscream
<Wiggum wrote>
>Eddie gave Jerry Canrell from Alice in Chains a couple stacks and guitars.
>I think the 5150 appeared on the new AIC album on "Sludge Factory" as
>I recall...
LOL you make it sound like he only ever had one to his name! Poor bastard
musta got stiffed hard on his endorsment :)
later
Grom_Helscream
>>PEAVEY is what you get when you know you arent serious about music and
>>are just gonna give up after a few weeks.
Alright bra thats some serious shit you gettin into there; you do realise
that thousands of professional ones among us use PV products...has nothing
to do with seriousness.
As a word of note I used to play through Marshal Valvestates - dropped it in
favour of the Bandit 112 and a Classic 30. And believe me I aint no fuckin
amateur, and tone is something I eat up.
hehe and if you look, even players like Satch use PV's quite often along
with their other arsenal of weaponry.
Next time think before you speak - you dont make any sense.
later.
Dan Perkins
> >>PEAVEY is what you get when you know you arent serious about music and
> >>are just gonna give up after a few weeks.
>
>
Interesting hypothesis, but incorrect. Although I am not a professional
musician, I have been playing in bar bands for about
6 years. I have always used various types of Peavey equipment and mostly been
totally satisfied. Currently I use a Peavey Forum 5 string bass and a Peavey
210TX Combo amp. One band I play in is using a Peavey power mixer and Peavey
mains for our PA System.
I had a Peavey Mark III head and Peavey 1810 cab for about 4 years and never had
any problem with either. I also used to play a Peavey T40 bass and even used
this to do some studio work and it worked great!
So, although I may not be what "pro" players would call "serious", I haven't
give up after a few weeks either. And I still am a very satisfied Peavey
customer.
Peace,
Dan Perkins
Austin, Texas
Scott Vita
A friend of mine who is just starting out just picked up a Forum Bass and
a PV bass amp. For under $500 he is off to a great start. I checked out both
pieces and they were of good quality and definitely worth the money.
My first amp was one of the old 2x12 PV Classics which I used with no
problems for a few years. When I was ready to upgrade and dump some serious
cash I sold it and did just fine on it. That was a great amp. It was all I
needed or could afford at the time and it served me perfectly.
PV fills a need in the marketplace...that's why you see so much of their
stuff around.
Scott Vita
You seem to have resentment towards people who have been extremely
successful at what they do. Has anyone ever offered you big bucks to play
their gear? Or design and market a guitar built to your specs? Have you
ever run a hugely successful manufacturing business? .....I didn't think so.
napalmoliv
i agree 100%. my friend just took up guitar as a hobby. he bought a peavey
raptor and rage 158 practice amp. they're solidly built, with few real
flaws for a beginner's model. they play decent, are low price, and sound ok
as well. believe me, when choosing between a
memphis/sysnsonics/rogue/lyon/harmony or peavey instrument, i would take a
peavey ANY DAY.
besides, who out there bought a sadowsky, modulus graphite, alembic, or
even a US fender for their first guitar or bass when they were about 13 yrs
old? NOBODY.
-napalmoliv
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(2) Some of you may say "But wait a minute.. What about Eddie Van
Halen and his
5150 ?"
Well even Eddie himself has stated in interviews that though he may
use the
5150 LIVE, he still uses his old Marshalls in the studio to record
with.....
That about says it all right there folks !!
Besides, a product endorsement from EVH is useless anyway. He may be
one of
history's greatest rock guitarists, but his product loyalty is
somewhat
hilarious.....
Kramer... Ernie Ball....Peavey.....etc....
hey, never mind EVH..what about Brad Whitford?
He'll sell his momma for a name on some equipment
contract..Fender, PV, Marshall, Hiwatt, Gibson,
u name it, he uses it...
Endorsements mean nothing, except to those who care
about such shit, and those who get the checks...
Frosti
Frosti
>FINALLY I AM NOT FUCKING ALONE IN THIS!
>I've been saying this for awhile and all the drones love to defend
>Peavey like he was their DAD.
>PEAVEY is what you get when you know you arent serious about music and
>are just gonna give up after a few weeks.
U got that right...AMEN BROTHER...
and to all those players who own PV shit,
well most of u got them for free
if u are a REAL BIG name...EVH gives awau more 5150 product
then PV sells of them...and PV gives away a whole lot too of their
other crap...
U love your bandit?...great...and to be honest, the classic 30
isn't a bad amp..but my whole point is that they are not professional
gear,
but they just don't suck for the money...
and that is a HP quote, folks....
What do i play?..hell, got me a 60 LPSG Cutsom, and a 100 watt
marshall 1/2 stack...does it all for me...
I am no equipment whore...don't need (or want to) sound like eddie
(no dig there, he is very good) but I know shit from shienola...
look at all the PV crap on TNN..they get it all for free, and those
c/w dudes don't give a shit what they play thru, because it isn't
all mojo to them...they don't have to own them either...I am sure
their own rigs are not PV...
It's all u Van Halen wanna be's that are fuelling the fire...
"OH, IF I GET A 5150, I'LL SOUND JUST LIKE EDDIE!!!"
do you know, that under the table, 'eddie' is talking with another
'major' (hint hint) UK company to build him a sig amp?...what u gonna
do then, buy that crap?
come on, all u lemmons follow eddie to the sea....
he don't play thru the combo's...nor the new 1-12" they are
about to come out with..and those guitars, my source at PV
tells me that EVH demanded so many changes to the QC
process, that is why they took so long..the factory in
'Leaksville, MS' can't build firewood, let along guitars, EVH
had to lay down the law....also, PV is dishing them out in small
###s to please dealers ("oh u are a good dealer, here is one
guitar") and to make a shortage, as to keep the prices up...
and EVH & PV is bitching about who owns the idea rights to the
circuits in the 5150 amps...which eddie did nothing about...ever
see the pix of HP & EVH 'together' drawing out the body shape
for the guitar..?????....ya right, everyone pose for the press...
next...well, wait boys and girls...just wait.....
Frosti (blowing holes in your rock and roll balloons)
Lou Klubenspies
Fro...@snow.man (Frosti) wrote:
>(2) Some of you may say "But wait a minute.. What about Eddie Van
>Halen and his
>5150 ?"
>Well even Eddie himself has stated in interviews that though he may
>use the
>5150 LIVE, he still uses his old Marshalls in the studio to record
>with.....
>That about says it all right there folks !!
Really? What does it say? It says he has a preference for what he
records with. Do you think that because he doesn't use the 5150 to
record with, that this means he thinks it sucks? Get real.
Flea is another example. Live he uses a Music Man (at least until very
recently), but he records with a Wal. Does that mean Music Man sucks?
Hardly.
>Besides, a product endorsement from EVH is useless anyway. He may be
>one of
>history's greatest rock guitarists, but his product loyalty is
>somewhat
>hilarious.....
>How many brands has he endorsed now ????
>Kramer... Ernie Ball....Peavey.....etc....
Whoever the highest bidder is, I'd say.
>
>
>
>hey, never mind EVH..what about Brad Whitford?
>
>He'll sell his momma for a name on some equipment
>contract..Fender, PV, Marshall, Hiwatt, Gibson,
>u name it, he uses it...
>
>
>Endorsements mean nothing, except to those who care
>about such shit, and those who get the checks...
I don't remember anyone saying anything different. If some
manufacturer offered you a nice phat endorsement deal, you'd have your
pants around your ankles in a split second too, wouldn't ya.
Commercial music is a business. Business is about money. Everybody
talks "truth and beauty" but in reality, every man has a price. So do
you, and so do I. Don't hate them because they're successful.
None of what you've said has *anything* to do with how good Peavey
gear is, just how good their marketing is.
>
>
>
>Frosti
Ned Carlson
"Scott Vita" <sv...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Sounds like a disgruntled ex-Peavey employee if I've ever heard one. So
>what if their stuff ain't the greatest...it ain't the most expensive either.
BTW, FWIW, the largest manufacturer of guitar amps in 1965 was....
(drum roll, open the envelope)....Danelectro.
No point here, I just thought I'd mention it.
Danelectros were pretty cool, really.
Ned Carlson, Triode Electronics, Chicago, IL http://www.triodeel.com
Open 12:30-8 PM CT, 12:30-5 PM CT Sat Closed Wed
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Patrick f. coleman
Fro...@snow.man (Frosti) wrote:
SLOW DOWN HERE CHAMP
I know you don't care what anyone says.. because I read this whole
bit.
But, I've used Carvin and Peavey equipment. Hands down, Carvin Guitars
walk all over them, and furthermore, the beat the crap out of quite a
few if not most of their price range.
Peavey has a checkered history, I'd agree. And has put out some real
garbage in my view.
But almost all of the old carvin stuff I've seen is still kicking
around... You don't very often find problems of the sort you describe
with peavey connected to carvin at all.
I might agree with you that neither carvin nor peavey boards offer the
best of something.. except as to features, price, durability,
function..
See, not everyone can afford the most expensive, the hand wired, etc.
These companies are both competitive.
And what do I care what Hartley Peavey does with his money. Christ,
I'm willing to cut him a lot of slack just because his name is Hartley
Peavey.
(I'm sure the head man at Carvin, Carson Keisel, is laughing right
now.)
You doomsayers crack me up.
I suppose Duane Allman just poses for the Carvin catalog because they
pay him.
I suppose Frank Zappa never used any Carvin equipment at all.
I suppose we're all just sheep waiting for your holiness to lead us
out of guitar capitalist hell.
***snoooooooooooore***
twang!
patrick f. coleman
http://members.wbs.net/homepages/t/w/a/twangin.html
>but they are not alone....
>u think Fender is any better?....what about Crate?...gad, they make
>PV look like angels...look what they did to Ampeg....blue Doo-Doo
>amps...nice gold corners that chip right away...backlights so u can
>see glow to remind u of tubes?...maybe if they used that money
>to build a decent amp, they's be better off...no, the mojo is what
>sells....
>na...PV isn't the only bastard in the world, but one of the biggest
>around...
>Frostie.....(who don't give a shit what you think either)
GAR...@ix.netcom.com
> he don't play thru the combo's...nor the new 1-12" they are
> about to come out with..and those guitars, my source at PV
> tells me that EVH demanded so many changes to the QC
> process, that is why they took so long..the factory in
> 'Leaksville, MS' can't build firewood, let along guitars, EVH
> had to lay down the law....also, PV is dishing them out in small
> ###s to please dealers ("oh u are a good dealer, here is one
> guitar") and to make a shortage, as to keep the prices up...
My roommate bought a Peavey B-Quad 5 bass, perhaps the most expensive
bass they have to offer. We had both wanted to get one for a long time,
but there were none in town. When he got his and I played it, I thought
"I'm glad that was your money, not mine!" It lists for $2400 and he got
it for about $1300 ($100 over dealer cost, $900 over Peavey's?). The
electronics in this bass are terrible, and the piezo bridge is the worst
thing I've ever seen (of course I don't really like the Wilkison
anyway).
I heard that Peavey and Brian Bromberg had a "falling out" and the bass
will no longer be continued. If I had my name put on an instrument that
was built as poorly as this I would be ashamed as well.
I have owned a couple of Peavey basses, and I thought the craftsmanship
was fine. But this one (the most expensive) blows the theory of "you
get what you pay for!"
MAS017
SPEAKING OF DANELECTRO.............
I think the VINTAGE craze has just gone over the edge...
Has anyone seen the ad for "DANELECTRO's VINTAGE 9 VOLT BATTERIES" ????
Daniel L. Dreibelbis
On 20 Jan 1998 03:03:18, Frosti wrote:
>>I've been saying this for awhile and all the drones love to defend
>>Peavey like he was their DAD.
>>PEAVEY is what you get when you know you arent serious about music and
>>are just gonna give up after a few weeks.
>
>U got that right...AMEN BROTHER...
>
>and to all those players who own PV shit,
>well most of u got them for free
nope - everything that I've owned from Peavey I paid for (and I
worked at a Peavey dealer for awhile!). The only thing that I've ever
gotten for free from Peavey was a truss-rod cover for my Horizon II
guitar, which I've owned for over 13 years and still sounds great (this
same guitar got a rave review from Guitar World in '85 for its sound
and construction).
>
>if u are a REAL BIG name...EVH gives awau more 5150 product
>then PV sells of them...and PV gives away a whole lot too of their
>other crap...
got news for you - Peavey doesn't give gear away. They do offer
special deals for their endorsees, but their official line is that they
don't give away free gear to ANYBODY - and that I got direct from
Hartley Peavey himself. For proof, a few months ago a former endorsee
complained in GUITAR PLAYER that Peavey wouldn't cut him a better deal
on an amp. If Eddie Van Halen is giving gear to those he admires or as a
favour (which I suspect he pays for like everybody else), then he is
obviously a very generous person indeed, and is not necessarily any
proof of a conspiracy or supposed lack of quality.
>
>U love your bandit?...great...and to be honest, the classic 30
>isn't a bad amp..but my whole point is that they are not professional
>gear,
oh? Just ask Jerry Cantrell, Steve Earle (who likes his Classic 50s
because "they never blow up"), Warner Hodges from Jason and the
Scorchers, Alex Lifeson (who used a 5150 for most of Rush's
COUNTERPARTS; Geddy used a Palaedium bass on it as well). And what
about Lynyrd Skynyrd, who've been a walking Peavey endorsement for
years? Ted Nugent, who LOVES his 5150 and has made no bones about it
(are you going to argue with Ted? Do you feel lucky, PUNK?) Who died
and made you the authority of who's "professional", you arrogant
bonehead?
>I am no equipment whore...don't need (or want to) sound like eddie
>(no dig there, he is very good) but I know sh*t from shienola...
judging from the funny smell emanating from your posts, I beg to
differ :)
>
>It's all u Van Halen wanna be's that are fuelling the fire...
>
>"OH, IF I GET A 5150, I'LL SOUND JUST LIKE EDDIE!!!"
>
>do you know, that under the table, 'eddie' is talking with another
>'major' (hint hint) UK company to build him a sig amp?...what u gonna
>do then, buy that crap?
where's your proof? What's you're source for this information,
and who? If it's CrazyFromThe Heat from alt.music.van-halen, or the
Keepers, it'll explain a lot....
>
>come on, all u lemmons follow eddie to the sea....
it's spelled "lemmings". And it's an urban legend that lemmings
commit mass suicide (the only "proof" of that turned out to be Disney
workers hurling the little rodents into the sea for one of their nature
documentaries). I'd rather be a lemming than a sheep - and you, sir,
are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
>he don't play thru the combo's...nor the new 1-12" they are
>about to come out with..and those guitars, my source at PV
>tells me that EVH demanded so many changes to the QC
>process, that is why they took so long..the factory in
>'Leaksville, MS' can't build firewood, let along guitars, EVH
>had to lay down the law....also, PV is dishing them out in small
>###s to please dealers ("oh u are a good dealer, here is one
>guitar") and to make a shortage, as to keep the prices up...
again, name your source and any collaborative evidence to prove
your point, otherwise it is worthless, and proves you're only blowing
smoke. Having played several Peaveys (and owning two of them, one for
over 13 years), I have always found them to be well-constructed and
good-feeling instruments. Why do you think Steve Cropper has played
Peaveys for the last number of years, even before his signature model
came out? Peavey has ALWAYS strove to improve their product, and I'm
sure Eddie's advice on what to put in his signature guitar helped
immensely in developing the new plant. Of course, you and your "source"
would rather twist that to your own fantasy syndrome.
>
>and EVH & PV is bitching about who owns the idea rights to the
>circuits in the 5150 amps...which eddie did nothing about...ever
>see the pix of HP & EVH 'together' drawing out the body shape
>for the guitar..?????....ya right, everyone pose for the press...
again, where's your proof and who's your source....
>
>next...well, wait boys and girls...just wait.....
yeah, I can't wait for your next attempt, which will only prove
that you're an even bigger blowhard and know-nothing.....
>
>
>Frosti (blowing holes in your rock and roll balloons)
more likely blowing smoke out of your keister.
>.
//////////////////////Daniel L. Dreibelbis//////////////////////
ST/TT/Falcon/8-bit Vice President, Toronto Atari Federation (TAF)
Thorn in the side of all net.twits
email: dre...@idirect.com
///////////////"And yet, the Fuji Lives!" ///////////////////
Alex Tobias
ag...@york.ac.uk (Aaron Turner) wrote:
>Frosti (Fro...@snow.man) wrote:
>: us service people love PV...and Crate too... good for business...
>Funny..in the uk PV stuff has a reputation for being really quite tough.
>And the Pallaedium bass was quite nice.
> Aaron Turner
IMO Peavey's have always been 2nd class tone wise.(Especially their
SS stuff). They are built like tanks though as far as reliabilty, you
can't kill them. (Although you may want to do just that.)
michael buening
Frosti (Fro...@snow.man) wrote:
: next...well, wait boys and girls...just wait.....
:
: Frosti (blowing holes in your rock and roll balloons)
Who exactly is this guy talking to? He certainly has a lot to say
about Peavey (actually he has one thing to say about Peavey and
repeats it over and over again). But I've yet to meet anyone,
beginner or advanced who is as brain dead as this guy appearantly
thinks we all are.
Bottom line, people are gonna buy what they can afford to buy and sound
decent in. I've never played through a Peavey amp but I have used
Peavey PA gear...never broke, always worked and always sounded just fine
to me. Then again most of the gigs I've ever been involved in were for
free (or expenses paid) and the gear was all purchased with money from
other jobs. Can't all be driving the latest BMW's or playing the latest
Custom Shop Strat through a brand new Marshall stack.
If you make a living fixing these things then what the hell is the problem?
If they are crap and people buy a lot of it you'd think you'd be happy as
a clam. But then I never understand most people anyway.
Mike
--
Mike Buening
Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry
University of Notre Dame
mbue...@darwin.helios.nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mbuening
Frosti
>Don't know about that other stuff, but a long time ago, a lot of kids got
>US-made Fenders (there were no "import" Fenders then) as their first guitars.
>Inflation and cost-of-living considered, they weren't any cheaper than they are
>today. Two points: 1) the kid had to be SERIOUS about it before he got the axe,
>and 2) plenty of downmarket crap existed then, too - Teisco, Silvertone,
>Stella, Harmony. Only it didn't masquerade as pro quality gear, endorsed by
>anything-for-a-buck hucksters pretending to be "artists". You wanted "good",
>you got "good".You wanted cheap, you got what was honestly called a "starter
>guitar". Hell, even the virtually indestructible Fender Champ was called a
>"student model". IMHO Fender can't that match kind of quality even in it's
>Custom Shop" amps today. There's still plenty of junk to be purchased. It just
>comes with a glossy brochure with some rock stars name on it
No other follow up post to this subject stated my feelings so well...
IF PV (and others) would just not try to bullshit us saying it's pro
gear, then all would be fine. Just because Eddie puts his name
on it, doesn't make it good.
AND...BTW...EVH designed NOTHING...PV designed something
EVH decided he liked...the amps, the guitar and the new effect
pedal about to come out.....PV and EVH are now bitching
over that right now..and soon u will see the top-secret memo
to that very fact...hey, I got my sources in Mississippi.....
SAME about those data cards full of rock star settings for multi
digital effect units...no rock star sat down and programed them, the
companies designers did, and then got a ok about it...and the
rock stars get so much $$$ per card for their name...
Even Marshall didn't design a 'Slash' amp, they just labeled
a model as a 'Slash' approved unit...PV wants u to belive
that Eddie designed and wired each one himeslf...PV just
came up with a design EVH liked, and put it as a EVH designed
item...man, PV designers must be payed well to sell their
talent to a rock star.....
It's all mojo...all bullshit, but noooooo, u folks wil buy anything
with a phony EVH signature on it...that's right, he didn't sign the
plate that makes the screen image on it...another balloon busted...
suckers.....
Frosti
(sitting on a beach in L.A. as you read this..)
(and STILL cooler then you can every dream of being)
.
Dylan Tony
>Bottom line, people are gonna buy what they can afford to buy and sound
>decent in. I've never played through a Peavey amp but I have used
>Peavey PA gear...never broke, always worked and always sounded just fine
Peavy amps aren't my cup of tea either, but I am far from the point of
standing on my rooftop and proclaiming Peavy Sucks to the world(as the
originator of this post did). They have their uses, and some people even
prefer them. I say if it sounds good and you can afford it without selling
your car then use it.
As far as their PA systems go, they are very good and reliable. Much
better than their amps but that's just one man's opinion.
Dylan
Brian Rost
In article <6a2e11$2...@surf.beaches.net>, at7...@aol.com (Alex Tobias) wrote:
> IMO Peavey's have always been 2nd class tone wise.(Especially their
> SS stuff). They are built like tanks though as far as reliabilty, you
> can't kill them. (Although you may want to do just that.)
OK, why does Peavey get singled out for this treatment? I don't see posts
that "Crate blows" or "Carlsbro is sh*te", etc.
For that matter, considering the general disdain for solid state Fenders
and Marshalls, why are these companies exempt, just because their tube
amps are considered better than Peavey? What about those wonderful Fender
tube amps from the 70s?
I mean, let's slam everybody while we're at it!!!
--
Brian
br...@synnet.com
kalen martin rodriguez
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Frosti wrote:
> >FINALLY I AM NOT FUCKING ALONE IN THIS!
> >I've been saying this for awhile and all the drones love to defend
> >Peavey like he was their DAD.
> >PEAVEY is what you get when you know you arent serious about music and
> >are just gonna give up after a few weeks.
>
> U got that right...AMEN BROTHER...
>
> and to all those players who own PV shit,
> well most of u got them for free
>
> if u are a REAL BIG name...EVH gives awau more 5150 product
> then PV sells of them...and PV gives away a whole lot too of their
> other crap...
>
> U love your bandit?...great...and to be honest, the classic 30
> isn't a bad amp..but my whole point is that they are not professional
> gear,
>
> but they just don't suck for the money...
>
> and that is a HP quote, folks....
>
> What do i play?..hell, got me a 60 LPSG Cutsom, and a 100 watt
> marshall 1/2 stack...does it all for me...
>
> I am no equipment whore...don't need (or want to) sound like eddie
> (no dig there, he is very good) but I know shit from shienola...
>
> look at all the PV crap on TNN..they get it all for free, and those
> c/w dudes don't give a shit what they play thru, because it isn't
> all mojo to them...they don't have to own them either...I am sure
> their own rigs are not PV...
>
> It's all u Van Halen wanna be's that are fuelling the fire...
>
> "OH, IF I GET A 5150, I'LL SOUND JUST LIKE EDDIE!!!"
>
> do you know, that under the table, 'eddie' is talking with another
> 'major' (hint hint) UK company to build him a sig amp?...what u gonna
> do then, buy that crap?
>
> come on, all u lemmons follow eddie to the sea....
>
> he don't play thru the combo's...nor the new 1-12" they are
> about to come out with..and those guitars, my source at PV
> tells me that EVH demanded so many changes to the QC
> process, that is why they took so long..the factory in
> 'Leaksville, MS' can't build firewood, let along guitars, EVH
> had to lay down the law....also, PV is dishing them out in small
> ###s to please dealers ("oh u are a good dealer, here is one
> guitar") and to make a shortage, as to keep the prices up...
>
> and EVH & PV is bitching about who owns the idea rights to the
> circuits in the 5150 amps...which eddie did nothing about...ever
> see the pix of HP & EVH 'together' drawing out the body shape
> for the guitar..?????....ya right, everyone pose for the press...
>
> next...well, wait boys and girls...just wait.....
>
>
> Frosti (blowing holes in your rock and roll balloons)
>
>
um, first off, i think it's lemmings, not lemmons. besides that...i know
plenty of folks (really good players, too) that love the wolfgang. they
don't sound anything like eddie and don't want to...the simple fact of the
matter is that it's an excellent guitar, great attention to detail, all
those things that people bash peavey for not having. the 5150 is a good
amp, eddie's use or lack thereof notwithstanding...if you want a big,
chunky, rippin gained out sound, there's few amps that do it as well, and
nothing that does it in the price range (soldano's and boogies are better
amps, but some people ain't got that kinda money). i really doubt that a
large number of people are buying those products because they wanna sound
like eddie, they use them because they're good. and "professional gear"
is such vague bullshit snobbery that i'm not even going to get into it.
yes peavey makes plenty of crap for people who aren't sure if they're
serious yet...i really don't see how this makes everything they make
useless (as i recall, fender makes plenty of entry level firewood, as does
any other big company, but nobody's sayin that custom shop fenders or even
their slightly higher model guitars are crap)
Aaron Turner
Alex Tobias (at7...@aol.com) wrote:
: >Funny..in the uk PV stuff has a reputation for being really quite tough.
: >And the Pallaedium bass was quite nice.
: > Aaron Turner
: IMO Peavey's have always been 2nd class tone wise.(Especially their
: SS stuff).
I'd agree on the lower end stuff - bass combos, guitar amps, keyboard
amps. I've had good experiences playing with Mk IV bass heads and above in
shops. I've also plugged into lower end stuff via an external preamp - and
what a difference that makes to TNT and TKO amps! The 4x10 bass cabs are
quite nice sounding too, but they are not Edens (definitely not on the SPL
front)
I've played some of the basses in shops and they seemed rather nice to
play, and the tone was fine.
Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner
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Brian Rost (sp...@spamiam.com) wrote:
: OK, why does Peavey get singled out for this treatment? I don't see posts
: that "Crate blows" or "Carlsbro is sh*te", etc.
I know someone who has a Crate guitar amp, and to me it sounds bloody
awful.
Carlsboro has a pretty low rep, although their Delta bass stuff is
supposed to be better.Never really played with that much. I heard a
Ceilidh band use Carlsboros and it sounded fine, but maybe they are good
for acoustic amps. One person was running some Ibanez jazz-style guitar
into a Carlsboro, though, and it sounded fine.
: For that matter, considering the general disdain for solid state Fenders
Stage 85 - horrible over drive. But it isn't anything about solid state.
Dean Markley K65 - gorgeous overdrive. Weird interface for setting
overdrive tone, but good sounds. Also new Sessionette - also not a valve
in sight.
Aaron Turner
Wamp
I'm trying to figure that out to. I asked a seasoned roadie what held up on the
road, he told me he'd kick my ass if I went for a PV. Next week there was SRV
with a wall of PV. Not me chicken little. Chris
Brian Rost wrote:
> In article <6a2e11$2...@surf.beaches.net>, at7...@aol.com (Alex Tobias) wrote:
> > IMO Peavey's have always been 2nd class tone wise.(Especially their
> > SS stuff). They are built like tanks though as far as reliabilty, you
> > can't kill them. (Although you may want to do just that.)
>
> OK, why does Peavey get singled out for this treatment? I don't see posts
> that "Crate blows" or "Carlsbro is sh*te", etc.
>
> For that matter, considering the general disdain for solid state Fenders
bd
Didn't someone troll through here with this exact same thread about 3
months ago? I seem to remember an almost verbatim retake on the whole
tirade, down to the bit about Crate's "Blue Doo-doo" amps and Carvin's
gear.
And what a thread! I guess it'll be a month or so before this dies down
enough for someone to start "Fingers vs. Pick" again.
bd
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I coulda sworn that I've seen Clapton use a Peavey Classic 50 in a
concert...
Grom_Helscream <sl...@nospam.ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in article
<6a0gm0$3ea$1...@news21.bellglobal.com>...
dunlop 212
Wolfgang wrote:
>
> Great! Now give me some suggestions, we're sick and tired of all
> these songs. And yes I realize these aren't the original artists but
> Wolfgang
>
Sounds like fun. Here's some songs that come to mind. They are in
three categories: very hip tunes, shameless pandering to the bar crowd,
and cool stuff I couldn't talk the other guys in the band into doing.
These songs are all easy to play.
Do You Mean It? Ike Turner
Hey Bartender Floyd Dixon
Homework Otis Rush, J. Geils
I Found a New Love Magic Sam
I Ain't Got You Billy Boy Arnold, Yardbirds
I'll Go Crazy James Brown
River Deep Mountain High Tina Turner
Slowdown Larry Williams, Beatles
You Don't Love Me Junior Wells/Buddy Guy (hoodoo man
blues)
farfisa medley
Double Shot of My Baby's Love Swinging Medallions (esp with nasty
female
singer)
96 Tears ? and the Mysterians
It's About Mover (?) Sir Doug Quintet
Lovey Dovey Clovers
Mony Mony Tommy James
Saw Her Standing There Beatles
Get Out of the Car Treniers
easy fun surf tunes:
Penetration Pyramids
Mr. Moto Belairs
Surf Rider Lively Ones
Out of Limits Marketts
great surf medley:
walk don't run/lullaby of the leaves/perfidia ventures
. . . and any Louis Prima song
dlm
Ned Carlson wrote:
> Wamp <shaig...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >I'm trying to figure that out to. I asked a seasoned roadie what held up on the
> >road, he told me he'd kick my ass if I went for a PV. Next week there was SRV
> >with a wall of PV. Not me chicken little. Chris
>
> SRV with a wall of PV?
> Enlighten me, perchance, where did that happen?
> (again I must admit ignorance of a few small details)
>
> >> OK, why does Peavey get singled out for this treatment? I don't see posts
> >> that "Crate blows" or "Carlsbro is sh*te", etc.
>
> You didn't look at enough aga posts.
> BTW, it's usually "suck" rather than "blow",
> "Blows" is just an expression.
Ya know...it sure has surprised me how many women don't know its just an expression!
>
>
> "Carlsboro is shite"? Is this scots.guitar.amps?
> Possibly I hav' wee motors in me head..
Frosti
JUST WHO AM I TALKING TO?
you, I guess...
ALL I am doing is spewing the truth to the masses
EVER hear of free speech...HMMMMM??????
and it is fun...esp to tell such blantant truths
to the world, of how they are being burned and
bullshitted..
IF you don't like it, then don't read it...
and, if u think it's the same thing over and over again, well
it's about to change real soon...
but the message will remain the same till u bozos stop
making choices by what the artists tell u, and what the companies
want u to belive...
wake up, people, then maybe I won't be needed...
Frosti
Ben Jacoby
Frosti (Fro...@snow.man) spake thusly:
: Frosti
: (sitting on a beach in L.A. as you read this..)
Oh, man, strike one!
: (and STILL cooler then you can every dream of being)
I believe the right words here are "than" and "ever"... strike two.
And you can make that assertion while discussing PV vs EVH on the NET?
Strike three, yer out!
:)
--
Benjamin Jacoby | "Some rob you with a six-gun and some with
| a fountain pen." ..........Woodie Guthrie
(SPAM GUARD! Delete the no spam letters in name to email.)
Ned Carlson
Wamp <shaig...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I'm trying to figure that out to. I asked a seasoned roadie what held up on the
>road, he told me he'd kick my ass if I went for a PV. Next week there was SRV
>with a wall of PV. Not me chicken little. Chris
SRV with a wall of PV?
Enlighten me, perchance, where did that happen?
(again I must admit ignorance of a few small details)
>> OK, why does Peavey get singled out for this treatment? I don't see posts
>> that "Crate blows" or "Carlsbro is sh*te", etc.
You didn't look at enough aga posts.
BTW, it's usually "suck" rather than "blow",
"Blows" is just an expression.
"Carlsboro is shite"? Is this scots.guitar.amps?
Ned Carlson
bd <dunigan.b...@justice.law.utk.edu> wrote:
>Didn't someone troll through here with this exact same thread about 3
>months ago? I seem to remember an almost verbatim retake on the whole
>tirade, down to the bit about Crate's "Blue Doo-doo" amps and Carvin's
>gear.
It's a running thread on aga: This blows, that sucks, tube amps
are obsolete (tell NASA that), transistor amps blow up, vintage
gear is old (restate the obvious), new stuff ain't like the old stuff.
Transtube sounds like tubes..or does it?
Oh, yeah, can't forget the analog vs digital thread. Yup, analog
sucks, sucks so bad that EMT plates, Fairchilds and Neumanns
are totally out of style..aren't they? Yup, send 'em all to me
and write it off on your tax return..
There's no pat answer (no, I don't mean patgtrfrk) to any of these
questions..digital has its place, some folks just have to have
plug & play new gear, others don't mind tending 45 year old
Tweeds & Gibsons. Some folks gotta have $12,000 Dumbles,
others make good tone out of Supros from a garage sale.
Music, ain't got no real rules, do it? Wanna play a banjo thru
a Cordovox? Why not?
There's a good question (and quoting JFK, to piss off
some Republicans), why not? Quit asking why and ask
why not. If that Peavey Bandit does the tone you want,
play it, quit worrying about it. If you get a chance to
play a vintage amp, do that, too...just because it's
old & beat up doesn't mean you shouldn't try it.
Remember green eggs & ham?
I don't play guitar..but when I was a kid I had a tough
time scraping up money for a car and wound up
with ....egads..a Studebaker Lark. Did it suck?
Yep. Was it fun? Yep. Did I learn a lot about cars?
Yep. Would I pass on it second time around? NO.
>And what a thread! I guess it'll be a month or so before this dies down
>enough for someone to start "Fingers vs. Pick" again.
Believe me, this thread or variations thereof will be passed on to
your grandkids.
dlm
Ned Carlson wrote:
> <snip>
You forgot Pamela's hooters...we'll be talkin 'bout them for years to come
too
kalen martin rodriguez
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>
>
this is way too calm,level headed, well thought out, mature, and RIGHT for
a.g.a. at least have the decency to say that frosti guy has small nads
or something.
Aaron Turner
.net> <spam-2001981114330001@brian_rost.ne.3com.com> <34C51E...@justice.law.utk.edu>
Distribution:
Ned Carlson (postm...@triodeel.com) wrote:
: It's a running thread on aga: This blows, that sucks, tube amps
: are obsolete (tell NASA that),
Are you saying that NASA only uses class A guitar amps for on-flight
entertainment on the shuttle?
Aaron Turner
michael buening
Frosti (Fro...@snow.man) wrote:
: JUST WHO AM I TALKING TO?
:
: you, I guess...
Ah...thanks for the clarification.
: IF you don't like it, then don't read it...
Good advice...for a change...
: but the message will remain the same till u bozos stop
: making choices by what the artists tell u, and what the companies
: want u to belive...
Again my point...who the hell is doing this? 14 year old kids? Fine
that's what they should do most likely...they'll learn. The rest of
us are appearantly a far cry smarter than you give us credit for.
: wake up, people, then maybe I won't be needed...
Wake up frosti...we don't need you now...
Dave
Frosti wrote:
> JUST WHO AM I TALKING TO?
>
> you, I guess...
>
> ALL I am doing is spewing the truth to the masses
>
> EVER hear of free speech...HMMMMM??????
>
> and it is fun...esp to tell such blantant truths
> to the world, of how they are being burned and
> bullshitted..
>
> IF you don't like it, then don't read it...
>
> and, if u think it's the same thing over and over again, well
> it's about to change real soon...
>
> but the message will remain the same till u bozos stop
> making choices by what the artists tell u, and what the companies
> want u to belive...
>
> wake up, people, then maybe I won't be needed...
>
> Frosti
We know your a man a good taste, Frosti. Hows your Glokenklang amp
holding up?
8^) Dave
William F. Anzik, Jr.
Well I still have my Peavey Classic 2x12 (purchased in 1981-82) and it still
works fine - I replaced the speaker cones a couple years ago - too many
drinks spilled on them from the front. I also have a Rage which I love to
use when I am by myself practicing. I have had good luck with Peavey
equipment. They way I look at it, every brand has it's good and bad and you
just have to watch out. That's my two cents. I don't really know about
their newer stuff though. When your buying something new you just have to
test the crap out it.
Also, I just bought a Carvin. After testing many guitars - Strats, Les
Pauls (Ace Frehley model included), Jacksons, BC Rich's, etc. - nothing beat
my Carvin. I read a message saying they were junk and I just don't
understand that. Maybe the person meant amps. I can't give an honest
opinion about Carvin amps, but their guitars are Excellent!!
Scott Vita wrote in message <6a0o1s$6...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
> A friend of mine who is just starting out just picked up a Forum Bass and
>a PV bass amp. For under $500 he is off to a great start. I checked out
both
>pieces and they were of good quality and definitely worth the money.
> My first amp was one of the old 2x12 PV Classics which I used with no
>problems for a few years. When I was ready to upgrade and dump some serious
>cash I sold it and did just fine on it. That was a great amp. It was all I
>needed or could afford at the time and it served me perfectly.
> PV fills a need in the marketplace...that's why you see so much of their
>stuff around.
>
>
Oklawind
>I haven't liked southern whites since a hitch in the service anyway
now what the fuck does that have to do with guitars you racist moron?
jad
Oklawind
>come on, all u lemmons follow eddie to the sea....
jesus christ...it's LEMMINGS you dumb-backwoods-can't spell for shit-jealous
cause other folks sound good through peavys and you still sound like shit
through a LP and Marshall asshole. <deep breath> just shut up, ok?
jad
kalen martin rodriguez
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Frosti wrote:
> JUST WHO AM I TALKING TO?
>
> you, I guess...
>
> ALL I am doing is spewing the truth to the masses
>
> EVER hear of free speech...HMMMMM??????
>
> and it is fun...esp to tell such blantant truths
> to the world, of how they are being burned and
> bullshitted..
>
> IF you don't like it, then don't read it...
>
> and, if u think it's the same thing over and over again, well
> it's about to change real soon...
>
> but the message will remain the same till u bozos stop
> making choices by what the artists tell u, and what the companies
> want u to belive...
>
> wake up, people, then maybe I won't be needed...
>
>
> Frosti
>
>
>
>
we've all heard of free speech...believe it or not, in disagreeing with
you, folks are excercising that very right. i know that that all seems a
little quirky and not too well thought out (wait, but i want to say what i
want to say, why do THEY get to say i'm wrong?) but it's just how the
system works. and once again, WHO IN THE HELL IS BUYING GEAR BECAUSE IT
HAS EDDIE'S NAME ON IT? or slash's, for that matter. people don't buy les
pauls because jimmy page played one...they buy them because they sound
good. same with the wolfgang and peavey's classic series. if the people
you hang out with and play with are basing their gear purchases on
advertisements then, much to MY surprise, you're hanging out with the
idiot minority.
Matt Stetler
That arshall was supposed to be Marshall. Damn Web TV and Damn you
Wireless keyboard!
Matt
Matt Stetler
All have to say is that
1. I really don't like Peavy's sound.
and
2. My little Fender Bullet has better distortion than any Peavy.
Matt
Matt Stetler
You were talking about Skynryd being a walking Peavey endorsment for
years... Think of this... Old (good) Lynyrd Skynyrd used to use
Marshall. Now look at them! They are country!
Matt
Matt Stetler
The new arshall valvestates (Ok, newest) are near the same price as
cheap peaveys, but alot better!
Matt
Ned Carlson
dlm <dwe...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Believe me, this thread or variations thereof will be passed on to
>> your grandkids.
>>
>> <snip>
>
> You forgot Pamela's hooters...we'll be talkin 'bout them for years to come
>too
I thought about starting a thread about who's the best looking
newsbabe on TV, but that dates me and it's way too tame for AGA.
At any rate, I think it's that Jodie Baskerville on Hard Copy,
she's got an ass I'd love to grab...
Ned Carlson
kalen martin rodriguez <kmro...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>
>this is way too calm,level headed, well thought out, mature, and RIGHT for
>a.g.a. at least have the decency to say that frosti guy has small nads
>or something.
I heard he had huge blue balls 'cause he never gets laid. ;-)
There, feel better now? If not, take two PAF's & call me in
the morning.
Ned Carlson
ag...@york.ac.uk (Aaron Turner) wrote:
Too heavy, and due to budget constraints they hand
out $10 Walkman clones they bought at Circuit City.
AFAIK, tubes used in space are for satellite communcations
and radar. The pictures I've seen were of tubes smaller than a
6V6 that put out like 200 to 800 watts, or a lot more as a
pulse amplifier. They cost more than a pallet of Peavey
Bandits, too, so if you were thinking about plugging them
in a tweed Champ, uhuh, besides, a tweed Champ would look
kinda funny with a big oil-filled heatsink thingie hanging out the
back, anyway...
Ned Carlson
ag...@york.ac.uk (Aaron Turner) wrote:
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>Organization: The University of York, UK
>Distribution:
>
>Ned Carlson (postm...@triodeel.com) wrote:
>: It's a running thread on aga: This blows, that sucks, tube amps
>: are obsolete (tell NASA that),
>
>Are you saying that NASA only uses class A guitar amps for on-flight
>entertainment on the shuttle?
IMA, I've got it on pretty good authority (as in an employee)
that the NASA labs still have Mac & Dyna tube amps.
They might as well listen to some good tone while they're working
on plans for moon colonies.
But you don't HAVE to be a rocket scientist to know
that tubes sound good...
ALBAGTPL
> Look at all the PV crap..mixers, amps, keyboards
>>(boy, did they suck!), guitars, drums (HAHAHAH), you name it, and only
>>the VERY FEW are even decent...most suck eggs..
Well Ii got one of the good guitars, aDestiny custom. I have played a lot of
vintage strats and les pauls ect...., all of which were worth much more than my
Peavy. But, theDestiny feels right in my hands. Simple fact Frosti, play the
guitar and equipment you like, i really don't care what feels right for you.
Look aroud the music industry, pro and amatuer and you will notice the are many
other guitar and amp combo's out there than your narrow little mind can
comprehend. Shut up and find a les paul posting and go away.
Jeff
p.s. i am a vary happy Peavy owner
Frosti
Ned Carlson blessed us with:
>I thought about starting a thread about who's the best looking
>newsbabe on TV, but that dates me and it's way too tame for AGA.
>At any rate, I think it's that Jodie Baskerville on Hard Copy,
>she's got an ass I'd love to grab...
OHHHH YYYAAAAAAA
Man, u got good eyes....
no wonder my orders are always shipped so quickly...
Frosti...
Andrew P. Mullhaupt
Ned Carlson wrote in message <34c6a91e...@news.supernews.com>...
>
>But you don't HAVE to be a rocket scientist to know
>that tubes sound good...
>
And I'm living proof that you can be a rocket scientist and know that even
good tubes don't always sound good.
Tubes will certainly be unnecessary in a small number of years to get any
sound you care to name. However, many people will continue to prefer them
for all sorts of reasons.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Lord Valve
In <6a6mr1$p...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> "Andrew P. Mullhaupt"
rockets, sonny. We'll handle the tone.
LV
Dave Moore
>
>Tubes will certainly be unnecessary in a small number of years to get any
>sound you care to name. However, many people will continue to prefer them
>for all sorts of reasons.
I'm inclined to agree, as I'm am working on developing a solid state
device which shall henceforth be called the tube-fet which will be able
to duplicate all of the characteristics of the tube phenomena except
for the need to re-tube every time you change your guitar strings.
However, my device wont be able to compete with the low noise
figure of preamp tubes so the 7025 may survive.
Yeah, I know,,,, ya'll will believe it when you see it,
& see it you
will.
>Later,
>Andrew Mullhaupt
>
>
Sascha LC Erni
On 21 Jan 1998, michael buening wrote:
> : but the message will remain the same till u bozos stop
> : making choices by what the artists tell u, and what the companies
> : want u to belive...
>
> Again my point...who the hell is doing this? 14 year old kids? Fine
> that's what they should do most likely...they'll learn. The rest of
> us are appearantly a far cry smarter than you give us credit for.
well...
my guitar player pops up every month or so with a comment like "why don't
you try the Flea Bass? must be great if he plays it." the scope is wide;
anything from strings, amps, mixing boards, to cables. he is 24 years old.
:))
[no offence ment, paedi... :)))]
lc
CodeBlue
On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:40:15 -0600, M_S...@webtv.net (Matt Stetler)
wrote:
And whats wrong with that.......if only some of us could play as well
as some of the country players.
Daniel L. Dreibelbis
On 20 Jan 1998 20:29:17, Frosti wrote:
>JUST WHO AM I TALKING TO?
>
>you, I guess...
>
>ALL I am doing is spewing the truth to the masses
>
>EVER hear of free speech...HMMMMM??????
>
>and it is fun...esp to tell such blantant truths
>to the world, of how they are being burned and
>bullshitted..
by you.....
>
>IF you don't like it, then don't read it...
wrongo, Frosti-boy - if we don't like it, we respond back and
correct your blatant untruths and broad generalizations and
self-serving opinions. Can't handle criticism, can you, cream of
asparagus breath?
>
>and, if u think it's the same thing over and over again, well
>it's about to change real soon...
Troll o' meter:
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>
>but the message will remain the same till u bozos stop
>making choices by what the artists tell u, and what the companies
>want u to belive...
we're not exactly chimps here, Frosti - we can make our own decisions
>
>wake up, people, then maybe I won't be needed...
you're not needed here - here, let me help you leave!
(sound of boiling hot water being poured on top of this blowhard's
head)
FROSTI: AHH! I'M MELTING! I'M MELTING!
>
>
>Frosti
>
>
>.
//////////////////////Daniel L. Dreibelbis//////////////////////
ST/TT/Falcon/8-bit Vice President, Toronto Atari Federation (TAF)
Thorn in the side of all net.twits
email: dre...@idirect.com
///////////////"And yet, the Fuji Lives!" ///////////////////
Alex Tobias
M_S...@webtv.net (Matt Stetler) wrote:
I hate all these all or nothing type posts...Peavey's are not the
greatest amps in the world nor do they "suck" as some of you so
eloquently put it.
Peavey has made alot of amp models for a long time and I do not
particualrly like them. Here are some facts;
1. Many, many good players like and use Peaveys amps.
2. I have played Peavey's that sounded like shit and I have also
played some I thought sounded good. (I have played some of the Classic
Tweed tube line. I really liked the sound of their Delta Blues amp and
the Classics I tried.
3. There are pro's that use Peavey's that sound pretty good to me.
4. Peavey has made some real SS crap. This might have helped hurt
there rep.
5. Peavey's have always been "just a little cheaper" price wise than
other amps. This can also give the impression they are of less quality
and often times they are.
Hopefully this post made a little more sense than "Peavey Rules" or
"Peavey Sucks!"
kalen martin rodriguez
um, who's retubing that much? i know yer being a little sarcastic to make
a point, but really, the only really nasty part about tubes in general is
their weight...retubing is hardly an issue for most folks, and though
tubes can be temperamental, i know I'VE never had one blow up on me.
otherwise...i of course don't know the physics of the whole thing, but
someone will say it's impossible, and someone else will say you have small
nads, i myself just ask why it is the solid state folks are so worried
about getting tube sounds when tubes already do that pretty well...why not
try to get something NEW rather than attempt to copy the characteristics
of tube amps, which simply is not going to happen anytime soon.
>
> >Later,
> >Andrew Mullhaupt
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
Aaron Turner
kalen martin rodriguez (kmro...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: nads, i myself just ask why it is the solid state folks are so worried
: about getting tube sounds when tubes already do that pretty well...why not
: try to get something NEW rather than attempt to copy the characteristics
: of tube amps, which simply is not going to happen anytime soon.
People want to copy the sound of tube amps because it is a nice sound. Why
look for something new when there is a sound people like? So it isn't the
tubes that are important, but the sound (plus something that responds like
a tube will be familiar to players used to tubes). It would be nice to
have something with the pleasant sound of tubes, without the weight and
expense. And things are getting there, gradually.
Aaron Turner
michael buening
This is a good question (for me anyway)...I've never retubed my only amp
and none of my (admittedly very amateur) friends have ever retubed an amp
that was purchased new ("vintage" is another matter I guess). I see
references to people retubing their amps like very year or more often and
I can't for the life of me see why. Of course I also don't see the need
to change my strings every time I play either...
: a point, but really, the only really nasty part about tubes in general is
: their weight...retubing is hardly an issue for most folks, and though
The weight is a very big issue I think. If you can get the same tone and
sound quality from an amp that weighs 1/2 or less than my current one then
I'm very willing to take a look.
: nads, i myself just ask why it is the solid state folks are so worried
: about getting tube sounds when tubes already do that pretty well...why not
This is an interesting question but I think the simple answers are:
1) Quality tubes are becoming harder to find/afford because tubes outside
of music (both instrument and hi-fi) are not that common anymore.
2) Tube amps weight a ton.
3) Tubes are relatively fragile.
4) But tubes sound fantastic...if you're gonna get me to buy another
amp it's going to have to recreate the same sound or I'll put up with
1 - 3 above.
: of tube amps, which simply is not going to happen anytime soon.
According to some folks it's already happening...just not on an
economical scale yet (sure if you spend $30K you can get a SS amp
that'll recreate those neat Fender and Marshall tones). This means
it's merely a matter of time (and investment by the right people).
It was only a year or two ago that many people in my field were telling
folks "don't worry about cloning animals and people...we're decades
away from that yet". They were very wrong and now people should worry
a lot.
I don't see SS amps that really do sound good *that* far off but these
things depend on factors I don't comprehend. The question is do we really
want these amps (if we *really* wanted them they will come faster rather
than slower) and as long as you still can get new tubes and parts for
less than the price of a new car people will hang on to what they've got.
Aaron Turner
michael buening (mbue...@darwin.helios.nd.edu) wrote:
: I don't see SS amps that really do sound good *that* far off
The review of the new Sessionette 75 solid state amp in The Guitar
Magazine (that or Total Guitar) suggested that it sounded better than some
of the all-valve amps they use for testing (JCM800 or 900 I think)
Aaron Turner
Brian Rost
In article <6a7put$r...@news.nd.edu>, mbue...@darwin.helios.nd.edu (michael
buening) wrote:
> kalen martin rodriguez (kmro...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
> : um, who's retubing that much? i know yer being a little sarcastic to make
>
> This is a good question (for me anyway)...I've never retubed my only amp
> and none of my (admittedly very amateur) friends have ever retubed an amp
> that was purchased new ("vintage" is another matter I guess). I see
> references to people retubing their amps like very year or more often and
> I can't for the life of me see why. Of course I also don't see the need
> to change my strings every time I play either...
Retubing, at least changing the power tubes, is msotly a function of how
often the amp gets played and how loud. Five gigs a week with the amp died
chew up the power tubes in six months to a year. On the other hand, I have
an amp right now that still has the ORIGINAL power tubes in it, after
about thirty years (the clue: the brand of tube is a company that's been
out of business for thirty years). But *I* don't gig the amp, it probably
gets used or about an hour a month. I have no idea how much it got used by
the previous owner(s). I once owned a Traynor bass combo that I used on
weekly gigs and at weekly rehearsals, so it probably was getting used
about 300 hours a year and I never retubed it during the TWELVE YEARS I
owned it.
Preamp tubes last virtually forever, they only need replacment if they go
microphonic or they get dmaged by rough handling.
> The weight is a very big issue I think. If you can get the same tone and
> sound quality from an amp that weighs 1/2 or less than my current one then
> I'm very willing to take a look.
I just bought a Mesa Boogie tube bass head, at 39 pounds it's less than
half the weight of an SVT but it still weighs more than my 400 watt solid
state bass head AND the rack it's mounted in !!! A step backward in that
regard.
> I don't see SS amps that really do sound good *that* far off but these
> things depend on factors I don't comprehend. The question is do we really
> want these amps (if we *really* wanted them they will come faster rather
> than slower) and as long as you still can get new tubes and parts for
> less than the price of a new car people will hang on to what they've got.
There is definitely mob psychology at work here. In the 70s, amp companies
went headlong into solid state, some makers even dropped all their tube
amps; it's only the last ten years that the market has swung heavily back
towards tubes. Yes, Marshall, Boogie and a few others kept the tube flame
burning (and then there were the blues players who sought out vintage gear
before the rest of the world knew about it) but it's funny to now see tube
amps from companies like Trace Elliot or Crate that never had made them
before (or how about this new tube Pignose?). Tube amps are more popular
today than at any time since the late sixties.
Notice that bass players became more pragmatic a long time ago, going for
the increased power, lower weight and additional features (biamping,
compressors, etc.) solid state amps offered. Ampeg had discontinued the
SVT a few times (at one point they were being built in Japan!!!), and for
years it was the ONLY tube amp they offered (they now offer four; two SVT
varieties and reissues of the V4B and B15). Fender and Peavey have come up
with SVT competitors recently but I have yet to actually see anyone use
one, there really is not that much of a market for these big tube heads.
From 1982 to about 1992, if you wanted a NEW all tube bass amp you had two
choices: Ampeg and Boogie, period.
Even today, except for the two 100 watt Ampegs and some boutique bass amps
like the Matchless, if you want a new tube bass amp you are talking 300
watts and up, solid state is your only choice in the low and medium power
ranges. Many bassists over 30 will tell fond stories of their SVTs but
usually end with these words "but I would NEVER go back to carrying that
thing around again".
--
Brian
br...@synnet.com
Alex Tobias
ag...@york.ac.uk (Aaron Turner) wrote:
> Aaron Turner
Of course Guitar Magazine reviewer's have opinions that are worth
$00.02 like everyones elses...
I think part of the problem with SS amps in general are lower
quality speakers and so forth. This may explain at least part of their
perceived worse tone.
SS amps that are put together with good quality components like
Evan's or Polytone jazz amps generally have good tone when looking
for a clean sound.
Tyrone Shuz
>
> 3. There are pro's that use Peavey's that sound pretty good to me.
>
> 4. Peavey has made some real SS crap. This might have helped hurt
> there rep.
>
> 5. Peavey's have always been "just a little cheaper" price wise than
> other amps. This can also give the impression they are of less quality
> and often times they are.
>
> Hopefully this post made a little more sense than "Peavey Rules" or
> "Peavey Sucks!"
You've hit some good points. Peavy basically became the General Motors
of Amps by selling quantity. What they did was manufacture amplifiers
with lots of features for the buck, even though they didn't sound very
good. But they were far less expensive than their competition.
After amassing huge profits, they started making good stuff, in addition
to the same old crap they've always made. Their classic series, and
their Ultra series, both all tube, are excellent amps, period. I'm a
Peavy hater from way back, but in the last five years I now own:
a Bravo (Ultra series practice amp)
a Classic 30
a Classic 50 head
a Classic 50/50 power amp.
These are all wonderful pieces. For each, you can find a Boogie that
sounds as good or better, but only by a little bit, and for a LOT more
money. Yes, I hate Peavy just enough to keep buying their products! ;-)
Dave Moore
First of all, I'm not an " SS" guy I have tube designs on the
drawing board also. It's going to take someone who understands
how tubes achieve their tube sound to even begin to duplicate
these responses. I'm not on a mission to obsolete tubes, but if
you have technology available why not explore it? And I agree
why not look for something new but thats what you have with
all the DSP and other SS fx. But I did forget to mention that
the tube-fet will be something new in the sense that it will be
adjustable to duplicate the responses of just about any existing
tube besides some custom tailored responses of of it's own.
As far as re-tubing, a set of tube-fets could be made to last
a lifetime with on board current limiting and protection circuitry.
Not that there would'nt ever be any failures, but they would be
far and few. They could be made plug-in style for retrofits or
hard wired. (no loose connections to cause problems). Tubes
require the use of transformers (very heavy). Yes I do realize
that transformers account for about half of the tube sound but
I'm working on that one too. Even the old SS amps that used
transformers sounded better for guitar. Unfortunately I haven't
got a clue what to do about making speakers lighter. (sorry roadies)
--Dave Moore-- the low-fi-ss-tube guy
Total Harmonic Distortion : YES
Alex Tobias wrote in message <6a8enc$j...@surf.beaches.net>...
Dave Moore
Andrew P. Mullhaupt
Lord Valve wrote in message <6a6u86$n...@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com>...
>>
>Yeah, that's what they said in 1956, too. Still waiting. Stick to
>rockets, sonny.
On my wall is a picture of an F-106. It didn't have a single transistor in
its otherwise very advanced avionics. It was the _last_ state of the art
aircraft to be built that way. That was, gee, just about 1956.
> We'll handle the tone.
You'll handle some of it. As to the sonny part, I've been released on vinyl
before CD existed, and have been computing since 1969. Note that my original
specialization (Computational Fluid Dynamics) includes the accurate
simulation of plasmas in much more painful situations than a thermionic
valve. On a moment's reflection, it might occur to you that tokamaks are
just a teeny bit nastier to understand than thermionic electrons flowing
through real (i.e. nonperfect) EL34s. Now for the past fifty years the guys
who have been mostly concerned with making sure the world blows up when they
turn the keys have been more concerned with one plasma problem rather than
yours. But half of those guys are sweeping streets in what has suddenly
become a third world country. For all I know Roland is hiring a couple dozen
right now.
Rather than go through the estimate again, I'll refer you to dejanews. I
have previously explained what it takes to do an accurate* real time
simulation of a typical tube amplifier, if you use brute force. You can get
by with about 1.6GFlops if your circuit has about ten tubes to model. That
wasn't available in 1956 - it wasn't easily portably available two years
ago. But this year you can just about stuff that into a single mildly
expensive VME board. This means in five years (three generations) we will
start to see these in studio quality and reasonable prices.
Frankly, it isn't that hard of a problem. The people who have the simulation
chops to do this have been involved in higher paying things or things which
advance their academic careers (simulation of supernovae, global
circulation, lightning, etc.) and even though some of them are probably
interested, nobody really big can be involved at this point, since the
current crop of emulations is pretty basic. However, for reasons I have
outlined above, it's not likely that nobody big will get involved.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
*Beyond your scope's ability to tell the difference
Andrew P. Mullhaupt
kalen martin rodriguez wrote in message ...
>
>um, who's retubing that much? i know yer being a little sarcastic to make
>a point, but really, the only really nasty part about tubes in general is
>their weight
They use too much power, fail, and their circuits don't scale power-wise. If
I want a 3 Watt amp with identical sound to a 135 Watt modified Twin Reverb
running on the ragged edge, I can't easily build that with tubes.
>otherwise...i of course don't know the physics of the whole thing, but
>someone will say it's impossible, and someone else will say you have small
>nads,
Knowing the physics of tubes is not a difficult problem. It's just that
these physics result in equations for which accurate simulation in real time
leads to a problem which is just now coming into computational range.
> i myself just ask why it is the solid state folks are so worried
>about getting tube sounds when tubes already do that pretty well...why not
>try to get something NEW rather than attempt to copy the characteristics
>of tube amps, which simply is not going to happen anytime soon.
People often like the sounds of tubes. Tubes are simply an inconvenient way
to get those sounds. A more convenient way will be available pretty soon.
Note that accurate digital simulation of tubes doesn't rule out other sounds
as well, but the easy way to move units is to start with sounds that guitar
players already like.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Andrew P. Mullhaupt
michael buening wrote in message <6a7put$r...@news.nd.edu>...
>
>It was only a year or two ago that many people in my field were telling
>folks "don't worry about cloning animals and people...we're decades
>away from that yet". They were very wrong and now people should worry
>a lot.
Actually, one of the cool techniques that can get past brute force in
simulation of electrons in tubes is the Fast Multipole method of Greengard
and Rokhlin which is also revolutionizing your field in terms of ab initio
and molecular mechanics calculations.
Funny how people can live in a world with millions more computers around
them all the time and think that tubes will somehow be untouchable.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Spayd
In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.980122...@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>,
kalen martin rodriguez <kmro...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
um, who's retubing that much? i know yer being a little sarcastic to make
a point, but really, the only really nasty part about tubes in general is
their weight...retubing is hardly an issue for most folks, and though
tubes can be temperamental, i know I'VE never had one blow up on me.
otherwise...i of course don't know the physics of the whole thing, but
someone will say it's impossible, and someone else will say you have small
nads, i myself just ask why it is the solid state folks are so worried
about getting tube sounds when tubes already do that pretty well...why not
try to get something NEW rather than attempt to copy the characteristics
of tube amps, which simply is not going to happen anytime soon.
<<
I think a real problem for some folks (including me) with tubes, is that
they are so damn inconsistant. I mean,one day you have the perfect tone, and
the next, with the SAME SETTINGS, it sounds different due to the tubes..
plus they run very hot, and the amps weigh a lot, but I still love 'em!
p a u l
This post should not be on alt.guitar.bass
Only geetar players rant and rave over the most idiotic things.
All you guitar players who think Peavey sucks should go practice.....
That way, you will know what to do when a bassist starts laying down some
serious walking lines.....
oops...its the gear that sucks, not the musician. I forgot, but I'm only a
bassist......
my flame suit on...heheheha
Frosti wrote:
> Same reason..see, u can be a jack of all trades, and a master
> of none. Look at all the PV crap..mixers, amps, keyboards
> (boy, did they suck!), guitars, drums (HAHAHAH), you name it, and only
> the VERY FEW are even decent...most suck eggs..
>
> PV raw speakers...sooo bad they don't even use them in every
> item, they use other brands...PV guitars, hell they personify
> the term "don't suck for the money". Mixers?...everyone used
> one at one time, till they steped up to the 'real world'...power amps,
> hey...sparks a flying...real dogshit. BUT again...they don't suck for
> the $$$$$...do they?
>
> PV tries to get into every market they can...a cut out of everyones'
> pie...and those who build decent stuff, love it because once some
> newbie buys a PV item, they long for the 'good stuff'...
>
> PV buys every competitor unit they can, and tries to copy it at
> a lower cost...cutting corners others won't dare...like tubes, ever
> get a new PV tube amp without shitty tubes?...didn't think so...
>
> hey..dig the hiss out of those new 'flex' units..do u really
> think they give a rat's ass if it's low enough..na, make it, ship
> it..someday they will buy some other brand, but for now, get
> the money....
>
> OH. now I know some of u folks love your PV gear, and will
> defend it against all odds, ...and u cannot argue with the
> companies success...but it's on the backs of folks who belive
> they are getting decent product...
>
> for Hartley don't give a shit about your future...he is creating his
> own, with your money...planes, museums to himself, boats and
> what not... sellig you something he KNOWS sucks...cutting corners
> everywhere just to get a bigger cut of the pie...
>
> and Carvin is just a PV wanna be...
>
> but they are not alone....
>
> u think Fender is any better?....what about Crate?...gad, they make
> PV look like angels...look what they did to Ampeg....blue Doo-Doo
> amps...nice gold corners that chip right away...backlights so u can
> see glow to remind u of tubes?...maybe if they used that money
> to build a decent amp, they's be better off...no, the mojo is what
> sells....
>
> na...PV isn't the only bastard in the world, but one of the biggest
> around...
>
> Frostie.....(who don't give a shit what you think either)
Film@Eleven
Sascha LC Erni <sle...@studi.unizh.ch> wrote:
>
>well...
>
>my guitar player pops up every month or so with a comment like "why don't
>you try the Flea Bass? must be great if he plays it." the scope is wide;
>anything from strings, amps, mixing boards, to cables. he is 24 years old.
>:))
>
>[no offence ment, paedi... :)))]
>
> lc
>
Very true! Sheep come in all ages.
Ned Carlson
"Andrew P. Mullhaupt" <amul...@nospam.ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Tubes will certainly be unnecessary in a small number of years to get any
>sound you care to name.
How many years we been hearing that? 30? 40?
>However, many people will continue to prefer them
>for all sorts of reasons.
Tone, for starters, but of course I represent a biased
(pun intended) opinion..