Any love for the Vox Stomplab IG? For live? For studio?

[Les Cargill]

I have been using a Behringer VAMP3 - on gigs - to raunch up a super
clean amp* a bit and provide some EQ/effects that can be switched
in/out.

*Quilter Steelaire; a Class D amp voiced somewhat like a Lab L9.

After weeks of patch hacking, finally got it where I wanted it.

Well, Behringer made the thing with this odd little 2-voltage,
4-pin power supply connector. Not gig-worthy. It got stepped on and
shorted one of the voltages or something. Don't work, anyway.

I don't trust it any more, and it's not clear you can buy the power
supply anywhere but on fishy looking eBay sites.

So how is the Vox unit? The main things that would be nice:
- Something Twinnish. A little 300Hz scoop and some sparkle.
- Something with a little peaky crunch ala a 1987 or
silverface Bassman into some nice Celestions.
- A nice warm Twin/Super sound with a good tremelo & reverb.


It (obviously) doesn't have to be perfect.


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Les Cargill

[lulupa...@gmail.com]

I think that I remember that amp? S.S., 15" speaker, big power. Does it have an effects loop? If it does, buy yourself an old Line 6 Pod 2 for less than a hundred bucks and patch it in. A lot of tonal options are now at your fingertips! Don't foam from your mouth or drool.

Good luck,
Lulu ; )

[Pt]

If you still have your Super Champ XD use the effects and amp simulators and the line out to your amp.

Pt

[jtees4]

I generally like the Vox pedals, I have not had that exact
pedal....although I was seriously thinking of buying a Stomplab 2G
(same pedal with foot controller). I like the fact that it onlu uses 4
batteries and like to have a samll battery powered unit to go with a
little battery powered amp that I have. Plenty of youtube review
videos, check them out.

[esha...@yahoo.com]

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 12:26:44 PM UTC-6, Les Cargill wrote:

Hmmm I think you need a Fender Amp !! done - ed

[Flasherly]

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:34:05 -0600, Les Cargill
<lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:

>I have been using a Behringer VAMP3 - on gigs - to raunch up a super
>clean amp* a bit and provide some EQ/effects that can be switched
>in/out.

Bought one of those, a Vamp, but returned it;- someone else in here
(WhiteSpirit/English) was also using one on his Marshall. Impressive,
the Vamp (or series thereof, I forget, only having it a few days), but
a bit large and unwieldy, more suited a Fx rack and not quite the bang
to a pedalboard unit or what I'd expected for getting a handle...ended
up with, as Lulu's POD suggestion, close competitor actually in
DigiTech's newer/better modeling (ZEN?) technology. Stellar reverb,
decent EQ leveling characteristics, acceptable within its compression
parameters, although not ideally so if not careful. Decent timing
effects, too. It's touchy and can add some unwanted distractions or
artifacts tonally to compression and the parametric bandpass. Never
dialed in a POD unit for comparison purposes, but on a satisfaction
scale I'd say offhand Line6 reviews tips the heavier end of a
pro-usage scale.

[LULU]

==========================

Sonic artifacts seem to be a "fact of life" with almost all modeling amps or multi-effects devices. Last summer, while staying at my ranch and doing remodeling work , I decided to use solid state amps for recreational playing because they were basically plug and play without any warm up time, or possible tube failure hassles. I rigged two Fender Mustang II amps, so that I could play them individually, or together in a stereo configuration. I enjoyed using the amps and found a bunch of useful tones and settings. Some settings, at greater volume, produced unwanted subsets or artifacts. Overall it was a pleasant musical experience. When I returned to my primary residence in the late fall, I resumed playing single speaker tube amps of small to medium wattage. I had almost forgotten what "good sound" was. The difference was night and day. The s.s. amps just didn't have the sonic density or complexity of the tube amps. Both are fun, just very sonically different.

It's a drag if it don't sag,
Lulu : )

==========================

[Les Cargill]

I tried. Oh how I tried. Didn't work out.

Turns out a pedal steel pickup can badly overdrive the
input 12AX7 on a Twin.

If I were buying a Twin, I'd need one of these:

http://www.sarnomusicsolutions.com/products/sgbb.html

I wasn't buying a Twin and then adding to it.
You have to draw the line somewhere.

Also the Steelaire is 35 lbs. Not 90 pounds.

(and frankly, the thing is pretty good for six-string
with a Fulltone GT-500 on it )


--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

lulupa...@gmail.com wrote:
> I think that I remember that amp? S.S., 15" speaker, big power.

400W internal knocked down to 200W at each output.

> Does it have an effects loop?

Yep! That's where I was hanging the Behringer.

> If it does, buy yourself an old Line 6
> Pod 2 for less than a hundred bucks and patch it in.

I have thought about that, too. But the actual package
of the Vox is better. The Quilter offers a 9v outlet
so I wouldn't even need a wallwart with the Vox.

> A lot of tonal
> options are now at your fingertips! Don't foam from your mouth or
> drool.
>

:)

> Good luck, Lulu ; )
>


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Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

This would be completely awesome but I don't wanna carry both ( I can't
figure out a good place to put it onstage ) , and the SCXD stays at
home from now on.

But excellent suggestion. I might just even yet. I wish Fender would
have made a small-form factor package just for the digital board of the
SCXD. But the new stuff is based on the Mustang digital guts and it's
not as good.

I have not ruled out a Mustang floorboard. But they're spendy.

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Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

LULU wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 3:26:36 PM UTC-7, Flasherly wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:34:05 -0600, Les Cargill
>> <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been using a Behringer VAMP3 - on gigs - to raunch up a
>>> super clean amp* a bit and provide some EQ/effects that can be
>>> switched in/out.
>>
>> Bought one of those, a Vamp, but returned it;- someone else in
>> here (WhiteSpirit/English) was also using one on his Marshall.
>> Impressive, the Vamp (or series thereof, I forget, only having it a
>> few days), but a bit large and unwieldy, more suited a Fx rack and
>> not quite the bang to a pedalboard unit or what I'd expected for
>> getting a handle...ended up with, as Lulu's POD suggestion, close
>> competitor actually in DigiTech's newer/better modeling (ZEN?)
>> technology. Stellar reverb, decent EQ leveling characteristics,
>> acceptable within its compression parameters, although not ideally
>> so if not careful. Decent timing effects, too. It's touchy and can
>> add some unwanted distractions or artifacts tonally to compression
>> and the parametric bandpass. Never dialed in a POD unit for
>> comparison purposes, but on a satisfaction scale I'd say offhand
>> Line6 reviews tips the heavier end of a pro-usage scale.
>
> ==========================
>
> Sonic artifacts seem to be a "fact of life" with almost all modeling
> amps or multi-effects devices.

I got them to a minimum with the VAMP. I spent several days ( part days,
an hour here, an hour there ) tweaking the thing.

Basically, turn everything off except the amp model ( no cab sim )
and add reverb, delay or tremelo.

> Last summer, while staying at my
> ranch and doing remodeling work , I decided to use solid state amps
> for recreational playing because they were basically plug and play
> without any warm up time, or possible tube failure hassles. I
> rigged two Fender Mustang II amps, so that I could play them
> individually, or together in a stereo configuration. I enjoyed using
> the amps and found a bunch of useful tones and settings. Some
> settings, at greater volume, produced unwanted subsets or artifacts.
> Overall it was a pleasant musical experience. When I returned to my
> primary residence in the late fall, I resumed playing single speaker
> tube amps of small to medium wattage. I had almost forgotten what
> "good sound" was. The difference was night and day. The s.s. amps
> just didn't have the sonic density or complexity of the tube amps.

I never did like the Mustang amps. I even bought a SCX2 to replace a
failed SCXD and traded it for a Tele.

What I am using this for is for personality when switching from steel
to six-string. There are probably better amps for steel than the
Quilter but there aren't many.

I have a couple of tube amps. They don't cut it for this.

> Both are fun, just very sonically different.
>
> It's a drag if it don't sag, Lulu : )
>
> ==========================
>

--
Les Cargill

[Flasherly]

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:29:29 -0800 (PST), LULU
<lulupa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>When
I returned to my primary residence in the late fall, I resumed playing
single speaker tube amps of small to medium wattage. I had almost
forgotten what "good sound" was. The difference was night and day. The
s.s. amps just didn't have the sonic density or complexity of the tube
amps. Both are fun, just very sonically different.
It's a drag if it don't sag,

-
Yep. I've an original Fender CyberTwin model Buddy Guy introduced for
Fender. Very narrow range (if at all) for cranking that single 12AX7
input preamp in comparison to dynamics a Peavey Windsor capable,
loaded with heavy-iron transformers spec'd 130-watts for 4 EL34s.
It's tonally tight, though, the CT's notes being accurately defined: A
"glorified" SS 130-watt Fender Chorus, I'm inclined, so far as some CT
reviewed opinions go.

That amp/cab Les has, btw, for a SS is some seriously advanced
developments for SS. I researched it awhile back among pro bands and
players. It's nowhere near the class of amp a Fender Mustang is -
I'll venture.

[LULU]

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 4:58:08 PM UTC-7, Flasherly wrote:
>
> That amp/cab Les has, btw, for a SS is some seriously advanced
> developments for SS. I researched it awhile back among pro bands and
> players. It's nowhere near the class of amp a Fender Mustang is -
> I'll venture.

=====================

Different animals and a $1000 plus difference in price points. I've never played a Steelaire. When tweaking a solid state amp, the trick is to put some effects in front of the amp, some in the loop and some after the power amp and before the speaker. The old Gibson L5 Lab Series solid state amps had a nicely balanced and nuanced sound.

Lulu : )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NSbAa-8aH4

=====================

[Flasherly]

On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:15:22 -0800 (PST), LULU
<lulupa...@yahoo.com> wrote:


The old Gibson L5 Lab Series solid state amps had a nicely balanced
and nuanced sound.

-
Amen. Found about those when looking at The Car's equipment. A
unique tonal dial arrangement, 5 or 6 adjustment points, although I've
never run into one. Nor a power soak before a speaker;- those things
have a big mojo gamut both over reviews and price-point makes and
models. There's not much to put in front of a CyberTwin. I like my
Electro Harmonix so-called compressor, a Blackfinger's pairing of
12AX7s for boost, nicely well-adapted but a subtle pedal, (chose it
over the VAMP for replacement), everything else being pretty much
included, "modeled" for a CT effects. I'd imagine the Mustang is
basically very close and similar, only for a hell of a lot less as
Fender's goto amp, short of tube line-ups. Possibly still on par with
a better Line6 SS amp/combo, but that's an effect/style in itself that
also carries over to tubes. Some bands underbias tube amps' duty
cycle for a popular but thinner distorted sound a Line6 provides. I
like tubes conventional in a beefy tone my Windsor delivers, a couple
of Fenders (tubed) for added brightness and a change. I also
underbias when possible for longer tube life;- a tad less "hot and
nasty" to my ears but not much else in harmonic ordering or a chimey
sense (SS generally can't touch).

[Les Cargill]

It's quite the amp. Pat Quilter is the founder of QSC ( I presume
he sold it off or something ). He now runs Quilter Labs. Some of
his offerings have modelling. If you'd heard these amps,
you'd understand why.

The amp is actually amazing sounding by itself. It's just voiced very
flat but with a nice warm speaker rolloff ( Eminence EPS-15C ).

I just use the digital thingy essentially as an EQ with a little F/X
because of the dual role of the amp. There's very little signal change
from the Behringer except when I use tremolo and one patch which uses
distortion.

BTW, if you can, try this speaker. It's great on everything. I'd love to
put together a nice setup using an actual 1987 head, Bassman head or
JTM45 clone and these speakers.

FWIW, I tried my Fender Blues Deluxe last week at a gig - nope.
Sounds killer on six string but Steel Is Different.

I always wanted a Twin ( weight and all ) and was disappointed when I
couldn't use one.

I found a power supply for the Behringer. It'll be here tomorrow.

I've tried a small army of pedals with this amp. The closest so
far are the Fulltone pedals but they seem to depend on the classic 300
Hz mid scoop. Which makes sense. I had high hopes for the Tech21
Character pedals but so far, nope. I still may end up using
the GT-500 if I can get the configuration of it under control.

I am keenly aware of how silly holding a cheap plastic toy like the
Behringer up seems, but that's digital electronics for ya. It was
essentially a music Go Round impulse purchase.

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

LULU wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 4:58:08 PM UTC-7, Flasherly wrote:
>>
>> That amp/cab Les has, btw, for a SS is some seriously advanced
>> developments for SS. I researched it awhile back among pro bands
>> and players. It's nowhere near the class of amp a Fender Mustang
>> is - I'll venture.
>
> =====================
>
> Different animals and a $1000 plus difference in price points. I've
> never played a Steelaire. When tweaking a solid state amp, the trick
> is to put some effects in front of the amp, some in the loop and some
> after the power amp and before the speaker. The old Gibson L5 Lab
> Series solid state amps had a nicely balanced and nuanced sound.
>

My original Plan A was a Lab Series L9 ( 15" speaker ) but Ma
said "no old amps."

This is a lot like those. A bit more detailed/etched ( which isn't
always the best thing in the world ). And the Labs had a bit of a
honk to 'em this lacks. Smoother in that way.

> Lulu : )
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NSbAa-8aH4
>
> =====================
>

--
Les Cargill

[LULU]

On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 7:34:44 AM UTC-7, Les Cargill wrote:

> I just use the digital thingy essentially as an EQ with a little F/X
> because of the dual role of the amp. There's very little signal change
> from the Behringer except when I use tremolo and one patch which uses
> distortion.
>
>

> I am keenly aware of how silly holding a cheap plastic toy like the
> Behringer up seems, but that's digital electronics for ya. It was
> essentially a music Go Round impulse purchase.
>
> --
> Les Cargill

=====================

I keep several older multi-effects devices around just because I like 2 or 3 of the available settings or models. Right now there's a Boss, a couple DigiTech's, a Korg Pandora, etc. hanging around. The Line 6 Pod has several amp models that I like to record with. There's a '89 Soldano SLO Super Lead Overdrive, a Dumble(R) Overdrive Special Drive Channel and a '60 Vox(R) AC 30 non-Top Boost that all record well and also sound good when played through an old Blackface Princeton non-reverb that I have sitting around collecting dust most of the time. Who knows why anyone hangs on to certain "cheap" items for years, but also lets "holy grails" slip through their hands without a second thought? I love rediscovering some ancient guitar effect "trinket" that I'd forgotten about having around. Some make me smile again and others quickly remind me of why they were shoved into storage in the first place.

Enjoy what makes you happy
Life is for living

Lulu : )

=====================

[Pt]

On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 9:44:47 AM UTC-6, LULU wrote:

> Enjoy what makes you happy
> Life is for living
>
> Lulu : )
>
> =====================

Excellent statement.

Pt

[esha...@yahoo.com]

buffer the input down if it's to hot, or swap pickups - , they make other Fenders that are lighter.. 1 x12 or 2 x10 -- everything else will be a compromise to what you are asking for. 2c ed

[Les Cargill]

Understood. Strictly speaking, you are correct.

I am making the right compromise here. Six string gets lower priority.

It is possible that down the road, I'll buy a buffer and get a Twin.
I may not really even have to buy a buffer ( I have some old DoD
pedals that are not true bypass that would probably work ) , but I
probably would.

I have a 1X12 (Blues Deluxe) and the Quilter is the much better solution.

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

LULU wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 7:34:44 AM UTC-7, Les Cargill
> wrote:
>
>> I just use the digital thingy essentially as an EQ with a little
>> F/X because of the dual role of the amp. There's very little signal
>> change from the Behringer except when I use tremolo and one patch
>> which uses distortion.
>>
>>
>> I am keenly aware of how silly holding a cheap plastic toy like
>> the Behringer up seems, but that's digital electronics for ya. It
>> was essentially a music Go Round impulse purchase.
>>
>> -- Les Cargill
>
> =====================
>
> I keep several older multi-effects devices around just because I like
> 2 or 3 of the available settings or models. Right now there's a
> Boss, a couple DigiTech's, a Korg Pandora, etc. hanging around. The
> Line 6 Pod has several amp models that I like to record with.
> There's a '89 Soldano SLO Super Lead Overdrive, a Dumble(R)
> Overdrive Special Drive Channel and a '60 Vox(R) AC 30 non-Top Boost
> that all record well and also sound good when played through an old
> Blackface Princeton non-reverb that I have sitting around collecting
> dust most of the time.

Yep. I was pointed at a PoD when I stumbled onto the VAMP. It
surprised me.

> Who knows why anyone hangs on to certain
> "cheap" items for years, but also lets "holy grails" slip through
> their hands without a second thought?

Not to pull my own chain, but I'm pretty thorough in evaluating things.

> I love rediscovering some
> ancient guitar effect "trinket" that I'd forgotten about having
> around. Some make me smile again and others quickly remind me of why
> they were shoved into storage in the first place.
>
> Enjoy what makes you happy Life is for living
>

EXACTLY. These things are fun and fun is good.

> Lulu : )
>
> =====================
>

--
Les Cargilll