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Nil
Jan 26, 2014, 5:27:45 PM1/26/14
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Anybody know how Neil Young's voice and harmonica are being amplified
here?
http://youtu.be/C4zU5amIpxI?t=36m35s
I assume he's got some sort of harmonica mic and that he's carrying a
wireless unit on him. But is he also singing through the harmonica mic?
I would think a harp mic would be appropriate for voice, but they both
sound good here. There's no stationary mic stand visible, and he's
bopping around the stage too much to keep the vocal signal that
consistent. Earlier in the show with his solo songs and his duets with
others he does use a wired stand mic, but not in the CSNY set. Could it
be a floor mic? I wouldn't think so because it would pick up everybody
else.
here?
http://youtu.be/C4zU5amIpxI?t=36m35s
I assume he's got some sort of harmonica mic and that he's carrying a
wireless unit on him. But is he also singing through the harmonica mic?
I would think a harp mic would be appropriate for voice, but they both
sound good here. There's no stationary mic stand visible, and he's
bopping around the stage too much to keep the vocal signal that
consistent. Earlier in the show with his solo songs and his duets with
others he does use a wired stand mic, but not in the CSNY set. Could it
be a floor mic? I wouldn't think so because it would pick up everybody
else.
jtees4
Jan 26, 2014, 6:52:40 PM1/26/14
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said....his voice is very clear so I just don't know.
PS: I just finished reading his book, I have never been a big fan (I
like some of his earlier stuff)....but the book was really good. In a
lot of ways he was very different than my perceptions about him, and
he is certainly different than a lot of musicians out there.
*************
Some of my music:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
Flasherly
Jan 26, 2014, 7:23:03 PM1/26/14
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On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:52:40 -0500, jtees4 <jte...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>PS: I just finished reading his book, I have never been a big fan (I
>like some of his earlier stuff)....but the book was really good. In a
>lot of ways he was very different than my perceptions about him, and
>he is certainly different than a lot of musicians out there.
Interesting. I'd like an in-depth synopsis of that.
>PS: I just finished reading his book, I have never been a big fan (I
>like some of his earlier stuff)....but the book was really good. In a
>lot of ways he was very different than my perceptions about him, and
>he is certainly different than a lot of musicians out there.
Les Cargill
Jan 27, 2014, 1:41:48 PM1/27/14
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Nil wrote:
> Anybody know how Neil Young's voice and harmonica are being amplified
> here?
>
> http://youtu.be/C4zU5amIpxI?t=36m35s
>
> I assume he's got some sort of harmonica mic and that he's carrying a
> wireless unit on him. But is he also singing through the harmonica mic?
Looks like the rig from "Live Rust".
> Anybody know how Neil Young's voice and harmonica are being amplified
> here?
>
> http://youtu.be/C4zU5amIpxI?t=36m35s
>
> I assume he's got some sort of harmonica mic and that he's carrying a
> wireless unit on him. But is he also singing through the harmonica mic?
There are two condenser mics at either end of the harmonica. You can
see 'em, but they are very small. And yes - he sings through them as well.
Each condenser has its own windscreen. I think it's actually mounted to
the harmonica holder, because in "Live Rust", he changes harmonicas.
> I would think a harp mic would be appropriate for voice, but they both
> sound good here.
> There's no stationary mic stand visible, and he's
> bopping around the stage too much to keep the vocal signal that
> consistent. Earlier in the show with his solo songs and his duets with
> others he does use a wired stand mic, but not in the CSNY set. Could it
> be a floor mic? I wouldn't think so because it would pick up everybody
> else.
>
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
Jan 27, 2014, 1:44:12 PM1/27/14
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jtees4 wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:27:45 -0500, Nil
> <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Anybody know how Neil Young's voice and harmonica are being amplified
>> here?
>>
>> http://youtu.be/C4zU5amIpxI?t=36m35s
>>
>> I assume he's got some sort of harmonica mic and that he's carrying a
>> wireless unit on him. But is he also singing through the harmonica mic?
>> I would think a harp mic would be appropriate for voice, but they both
>> sound good here. There's no stationary mic stand visible, and he's
>> bopping around the stage too much to keep the vocal signal that
>> consistent. Earlier in the show with his solo songs and his duets with
>> others he does use a wired stand mic, but not in the CSNY set. Could it
>> be a floor mic? I wouldn't think so because it would pick up everybody
>> else.
>
> I'm thinking it has to be the harmonica mic....but like you
> said....his voice is very clear so I just don't know.
> PS: I just finished reading his book, I have never been a big fan (I
> like some of his earlier stuff)....but the book was really good.
That's "Shakey"? Yeah good book - the work of an obsessed fan.
> On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:27:45 -0500, Nil
> <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Anybody know how Neil Young's voice and harmonica are being amplified
>> here?
>>
>> http://youtu.be/C4zU5amIpxI?t=36m35s
>>
>> I assume he's got some sort of harmonica mic and that he's carrying a
>> wireless unit on him. But is he also singing through the harmonica mic?
>> I would think a harp mic would be appropriate for voice, but they both
>> sound good here. There's no stationary mic stand visible, and he's
>> bopping around the stage too much to keep the vocal signal that
>> consistent. Earlier in the show with his solo songs and his duets with
>> others he does use a wired stand mic, but not in the CSNY set. Could it
>> be a floor mic? I wouldn't think so because it would pick up everybody
>> else.
>
> I'm thinking it has to be the harmonica mic....but like you
> said....his voice is very clear so I just don't know.
> PS: I just finished reading his book, I have never been a big fan (I
> like some of his earlier stuff)....but the book was really good.
I've been a massive fan since the "Rust" era. I don't think I
understood rock and roll before that.
> In a
> lot of ways he was very different than my perceptions about him, and
> he is certainly different than a lot of musicians out there.
>
better after reading that. Neil survives by trotting off, just
like a coyote.
>
>
>
> *************
> Some of my music:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
>
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
Jan 27, 2014, 1:44:49 PM1/27/14
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Les Cargill
pudentame
Jan 27, 2014, 1:50:32 PM1/27/14
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On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:27:45 -0500, Nil
<redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
<redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
harmonica holder.
You can see the little foam balls of the pop filters at the ends of
the harmonica clearly if you pause the video at 47:17, along with the
wires running down the frame to connect the mics to the transmitter.
Probably some variation of the wireless headset mics Janet Jackson or
Madonna used.
Flasherly
Jan 27, 2014, 7:07:04 PM1/27/14
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:44:49 -0600, Les Cargill
<lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:
>There kinda isn't one. It's all details.
OK. How about coherency as a reactionary sense of inspired unity to
<lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:
>There kinda isn't one. It's all details.
gather, directionally, salience within such details;- I'm not asking
for a history tome, Les, just a few pages to responsibly essay. (At
discounted artist's wages, of course. Caught Graham Nash just the
other evening on a latenite channel. Rather something of a surmisal
for probably having missed what if much preceded. He was explaining
how well, upon visiting The States, destiny apparently took over,
adapting, molding him into harmonic unity upon first meeting the
members of CSN(&Y);- the pain associated of surpassing The Hollies,
couldn't be undone, and he still regrets, to this day, that he didn't
take a more responsible and courteous role to better inform its
members of the directions where he was headed. Other than that, he
wishes to express a joy of life he now lives in America, where he
feels a special uniqueness in modes permitted freedom, withal for
everyday filled with satisfaction in an industry he now surrounds
himself, from creative routines that occupy his days now.)
Les Cargill
Jan 27, 2014, 9:05:56 PM1/27/14
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wireless for the Taylor.
--
Les Cargill
Nil
Jan 27, 2014, 10:07:01 PM1/27/14
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On 27 Jan 2014, pudentame <no....@no.where.invalid> wrote in
alt.guitar:
>>http://youtu.be/C4zU5amIpxI?t=36m35s
That's appropriate because Neil goes for a natural harp sound, not an
overdriven, bluesy sound. The little mics must be picking up both the
harmonica and the voice. I guess Neil can balance the volumes by his
own lung control. It frees him to roam the stage and bob and weave and
lurch around without fading in and out.
alt.guitar:
>>http://youtu.be/C4zU5amIpxI?t=36m35s
>
> It looks like he's got hands-free wireless mics mounted on the
> harmonica holder.
>
> You can see the little foam balls of the pop filters at the ends
> of the harmonica clearly if you pause the video at 47:17, along
> with the wires running down the frame to connect the mics to the
> transmitter.
>
> Probably some variation of the wireless headset mics Janet Jackson
> or Madonna used.
Yes, I think you're right. They must both be vocal-quality microphones.
> It looks like he's got hands-free wireless mics mounted on the
> harmonica holder.
>
> You can see the little foam balls of the pop filters at the ends
> of the harmonica clearly if you pause the video at 47:17, along
> with the wires running down the frame to connect the mics to the
> transmitter.
>
> Probably some variation of the wireless headset mics Janet Jackson
> or Madonna used.
That's appropriate because Neil goes for a natural harp sound, not an
overdriven, bluesy sound. The little mics must be picking up both the
harmonica and the voice. I guess Neil can balance the volumes by his
own lung control. It frees him to roam the stage and bob and weave and
lurch around without fading in and out.
jtees4
Jan 28, 2014, 2:23:04 PM1/28/14
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monitors, and sometimes does not use any monitors at all on stage. So
sometimes he really can't hear himself at all and sometimes only hears
himself with a delay. Must be very difficult at times. He only wants
to hear the whole band live, not in an artificial mix dependent of a
sound guy.
Oh, and Nil....I did in fact download Reaper after your assessment of
it (in some other thread), and while I have not mastered it by any
stretch, all the things you said about it...both good and bad....were
spot on! You described it precisely the way it is. I will probably be
using it from now on, and maybe occasionally use Audition when I want
to take an individual track not in multi track mode to further process
alone.
Nil
Jan 28, 2014, 4:58:23 PM1/28/14
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On 28 Jan 2014, jtees4 <jte...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.guitar:
> One interesting tidbit in his book is that he refuses to use in
> ear monitors, and sometimes does not use any monitors at all on
> stage. So sometimes he really can't hear himself at all and
> sometimes only hears himself with a delay. Must be very difficult
> at times. He only wants to hear the whole band live, not in an
> artificial mix dependent of a sound guy.
I can't imagine how that would work with his loud electric band. Or
> One interesting tidbit in his book is that he refuses to use in
> ear monitors, and sometimes does not use any monitors at all on
> stage. So sometimes he really can't hear himself at all and
> sometimes only hears himself with a delay. Must be very difficult
> at times. He only wants to hear the whole band live, not in an
> artificial mix dependent of a sound guy.
even the quieter CSNY setup in the video. He's not using in-ears in the
video.
> Oh, and Nil....I did in fact download Reaper after your assessment
> of it (in some other thread), and while I have not mastered it by
> any stretch, all the things you said about it...both good and
> bad....were spot on! You described it precisely the way it is. I
> will probably be using it from now on, and maybe occasionally use
> Audition when I want to take an individual track not in multi
> track mode to further process alone.
did it, and the way I still do, is I use the features I know, and when
a particular problem comes up, I'll look to see if it has a feature
that solves the problem... and it usually does! The manual is well
written and is continually updated along with the program itself.
You can set Audition up in Reaper as an external editor. That way you
can open any clip while still in Reaper with Audition for more
surgical-type editing. I use that feature all the time.
jtees4
Jan 28, 2014, 6:54:23 PM1/28/14
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I have the manual, but I find it quicker to just google
"reaper....+whatever" and there seems to be so much info out there I
get my question answered immediatley...and sometimes with multiple
ways of doing something.
The_Chris
Jan 28, 2014, 8:25:48 PM1/28/14
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jtees4 <jte...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh, and Nil....I did in fact download Reaper after your assessment of
> it (in some other thread), and while I have not mastered it by any
> stretch, all the things you said about it...both good and bad....were
> spot on! You described it precisely the way it is. I will probably be
> using it from now on, and maybe occasionally use Audition when I want
> to take an individual track not in multi track mode to further process
> alone.
>
>
>
>
> *************
> Some of my music:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
If you're talking recording... I just posed a bunch of questions in the
>
> Oh, and Nil....I did in fact download Reaper after your assessment of
> it (in some other thread), and while I have not mastered it by any
> stretch, all the things you said about it...both good and bad....were
> spot on! You described it precisely the way it is. I will probably be
> using it from now on, and maybe occasionally use Audition when I want
> to take an individual track not in multi track mode to further process
> alone.
>
>
>
>
> *************
> Some of my music:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
Linux group. I ran a Live CD install of Ubuntu Studio 12.04 on my laptop
- and dived into Ardour! Wait till you hear the results.
What I'm saying is... No matter what you do.. You can get an 8GB Flash
drive, and install Ubuntu Studio to IT - boot your machine from the
flash drive, and get to recording..... And the beauty of it.. You can
boot it from any machine - as long as you have a line input on it...
jtees4
Jan 28, 2014, 8:41:26 PM1/28/14
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always on the Flash Drive? And i guess all your recording files are
automatically saved there at the same time.
Flasherly
Jan 28, 2014, 10:18:25 PM1/28/14
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>If you're talking recording... I just posed a bunch of questions in the
>Linux group. I ran a Live CD install of Ubuntu Studio 12.04 on my laptop
>- and dived into Ardour! Wait till you hear the results.
>
>What I'm saying is... No matter what you do.. You can get an 8GB Flash
>drive, and install Ubuntu Studio to IT - boot your machine from the
>flash drive, and get to recording..... And the beauty of it.. You can
>boot it from any machine - as long as you have a line input on it...
Might not be doing any sound-on-sound, remix editing, off a PC line
>Linux group. I ran a Live CD install of Ubuntu Studio 12.04 on my laptop
>- and dived into Ardour! Wait till you hear the results.
>
>What I'm saying is... No matter what you do.. You can get an 8GB Flash
>drive, and install Ubuntu Studio to IT - boot your machine from the
>flash drive, and get to recording..... And the beauty of it.. You can
>boot it from any machine - as long as you have a line input on it...
input (which can be hell'va'lot'a fun -- "after the fact" recording).
Direct PC input is considered kinda the dregs in recording circles,
what I gathered, though didn't especially impress me that way once I'd
setup an Xonar PCI soundboard for one-shot mixes. Found a USB
dual-mic input mix-down box, though, for headphones and addressing
latency when coming into slots or over and top tracks;- a storefront
opened unit and discounted to half. Very good and priced OK, under a
bill, for what it would do with headphones. Sound Pinnacle, or such,
gear from a musichouse (w/ semi-tricky inhouse drivers, XP/SP3, but of
course). I'd might go after and find it again, anyway, as I really
liked the quality and control over mixes (vocalist who wanted no
latency fill-ins paid for it, took it after we'd finished a couple
songs).
The_Chris
Jan 29, 2014, 8:14:27 PM1/29/14
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jtees4 <jte...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds interesting. So the OS and the recording software are both
> always on the Flash Drive? And i guess all your recording files are
> automatically saved there at the same time.
>
>
>
>
> *************
> Some of my music:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
You can save the files where you want. I always use the local hard
> Sounds interesting. So the OS and the recording software are both
> always on the Flash Drive? And i guess all your recording files are
> automatically saved there at the same time.
>
>
>
>
> *************
> Some of my music:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
drives, but, if I had a bigger flash drive, I would do that.
But, yes - the OS, and the software are loaded off of the drive into
RAM, and you don't have to do anything crazy to your machine... It
loads a low-latency kernal (which you'd NEVER get with Windows).
And like I said - doesn't matter what machine you're on. Every time you
boot, it analyzes your hardware. Of course, you should have a good
soundcard - but - I just did a full recording with a Dell E6400 and a
built-in sound card.... 4.5ms latency...I'll post the track in our
'other' group soon.
Les Cargill
Jan 29, 2014, 9:02:12 PM1/29/14
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The_Chris wrote:
> jtees4 <jte...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sounds interesting. So the OS and the recording software are both
>> always on the Flash Drive? And i guess all your recording files are
>> automatically saved there at the same time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *************
>> Some of my music:
>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
>
>
> You can save the files where you want. I always use the local hard
> drives, but, if I had a bigger flash drive, I would do that.
>
> But, yes - the OS, and the software are loaded off of the drive into
> RAM, and you don't have to do anything crazy to your machine... It
> loads a low-latency kernal (which you'd NEVER get with Windows).
>
Ehhhhhh... so Windows has a whole infrastructure for low-latency
> jtees4 <jte...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sounds interesting. So the OS and the recording software are both
>> always on the Flash Drive? And i guess all your recording files are
>> automatically saved there at the same time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *************
>> Some of my music:
>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
>
>
> You can save the files where you want. I always use the local hard
> drives, but, if I had a bigger flash drive, I would do that.
>
> But, yes - the OS, and the software are loaded off of the drive into
> RAM, and you don't have to do anything crazy to your machine... It
> loads a low-latency kernal (which you'd NEVER get with Windows).
>
stuff. It's running right here, right now on this here machine,
and I get well under 10msec using Reaper as a cue mixer
with a dozen plugins going.
2-4 msec of that is pure buffer loading/unloading and ASIO
latency and nothing can improve on that.
The old VF16 had about 2-4 msec latency - very respectable.
I would be unafraid to use Reaper as a live mixer.
The "soundcard" I use - a Focusrite 18i20 USB2.0 thing - has
a built in mixer that provides effectively zero latency, but Reaper
works well enough.
I could - and well may - buy a rackmount F/X unit to use
with the zero latency mixer, but for now this works.
> And like I said - doesn't matter what machine you're on. Every time you
> boot, it analyzes your hardware. Of course, you should have a good
> soundcard - but - I just did a full recording with a Dell E6400 and a
> built-in sound card.... 4.5ms latency...
VST support? :(
> I'll post the track in our
> 'other' group soon.
>
Les Cargill
jtees4
Jan 30, 2014, 7:39:18 PM1/30/14
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probably be enough to do it all on. Interesting concept....might be
worth trying.
pudentame
Jan 31, 2014, 2:08:51 PM1/31/14
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think most people would be familiar with using a wireless headseat mic
... thus the easiest to find photos of the setup using a google image
search.
I encourage you all to make such a search, because there's some damn
funny shit out there.
Les Cargill
Jan 31, 2014, 10:26:25 PM1/31/14
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young? Folkie, right?" but he's kinda a tech hacker as well.
Who else would have dome something like that in 1979?
> ... thus the easiest to find photos of the setup using a google image
> search.
>
> I encourage you all to make such a search, because there's some damn
> funny shit out there.
>
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Les Cargill
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