Chrissie Hynde's comments: women can't play guitar! How true is this?
PetaY
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Carol Kaye - top studio Guitarist before she switched to bass and became one
of the most in demand studio bassists of her time.
Emily Remler.
Leni Stern.
Sharon Ibsen
Debbie Davies
Bonnie Raitt
'Nuff said?
Gupta
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julux
>Chrissie Hynde's comments: women can't play guitar! How true is this?
>
i don't know many good female axepeople, ani di franco is pretty good
on acoustic
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millions of dollars for doing the exact same thing that they did and got ostracized for.'
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Bucky
I don't believe that Ms. Hynde really said that, or if she did, it was
taken out of context.
-Bucky
Bob Johnston
<berg...@nospam.bindview.com> wrote:
I didn't see the interview myself but heard it second hand. She said
something along the lines of "..there are the occaisional exceptions
to the rule but you just don't find women who grow up sitting on the
edge of their beds 16 hours a day like Jeff Beck trying to become
virtuoso rock guitar players .."
The sexist assumption being that it takes men 16 hours a day to learn
how to play guitar better than women.
Street Preacher
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>There are some fine women guitarists, just not very many. It's mostly a boy's
>game.
>Bonnie Raitt has balls. So did the chick in Fanny.
Don't leave out Etheridge.
Old Geezer in Quebec
compared to men is much lower. Especially when we compare the number of men
who play lead guitar compared to women playing lead guitar. The number of
women and men who just strum on the guitar is close to equal. Yet, the
number of women who play lead guitar is almost nil. The reason is simple.
The guitar, like the motorcycle or the hunting rifle is a phallic symbol.
Women do not have this subtle yet natural and irresistible urge to prove
their masculinity by using phallic symbols.
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>yes...but Etheridge.....can she really be considered a woman?
>
Good point. :)
Dan Stanley
Etheridge? She mostly, as far as I can tell, just strums real hard. Which is
fine, but, c'mon. Chrissie Hynde ( who I'm guessing is being quoted out of
context at least) is a much more capable and versatile rhythm guitarist.
There are lots of great women players, in all styles. Unfortunately, thanks
to the music biz, if they don't have camera appeal they are pretty much
doomed to obscurity.
Steven Johnson
The lead player from Vixen (I USED to remember her name)
Joan Jett
Lita Ford
-All of those ladies can play. So I think Chrissie's comment MUST have
been taken out of context.
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>
I think she meant that a women wouldn't sit around and try playing a million
notes a second to impress a member of the opposite sex, like a man would.
Frank Hudson
says...
> Chrissie Hynde's comments: women can't play guitar! How true is this?
As you (re?)state it, not true.
If you/she/whoever are talking about distribution of electric guitar
players vs. the population or some statistical analysis then
you/she/whatever might have a limited point, though of course it'd mean
little or nothing in an individual case.
-Frank Hudson
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Haadi Mahairi
Haadi Mahairi
D.G. Devin
>yes...but Etheridge.....can she really be considered a woman?
Ohhhhhhh, you're gonna pay for that one! ;-)
As for female palyers -- Liona Boyd wasn't exactly a slouch, and she sure
looked like a woman to me. Susan Tedeschi seems to know what to do with a
Telecaster, and Bonnie Raitt doesn't seem to have any flies circling over
her either.
3 EYED PIG
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 03:34:55 GMT, Haadi Mahairi <ugl...@home.com>
wrote:
>Jennifer Batten is amazing.
Mohawk Dave
It is indeed true, at least for rock music. I've seen some women play
classical stuff real well, but I've never seen a female rock guitarist
without thinking that her male counterpart would be better at it.
This may be related to the fact that women don't have souls.
jw
the guitarist for Vixen was Jan Kuehnemund. Good player. I saw them
twice in a local bar. The first time, during one of the solos, she was
on the center of the table I was sitting at. Impressive playing, but I
thought sure as hell that I was going to be breaking her fall, between
the unstable table & here shoes.
Dave
In article <eCZH7.36720$hZ.34...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
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Prince, PJ Harvey, Kat, and of course, Chryssie Hynde. Women can play,
I think Chryssie's talking about aggressive lead playing and she might
hae a point there in a general sense.
bp
The Colemans
say.. leona boyd has really got some genetic masculine traits and she's an
exception. You know.. like she's only part Dyke? like that. *G*
who cares?
My point is.. women seem to be rythm players, despite the big boom in women
players.
Chrissie Hyndes probably wonders why.
But the real question is.. who cares?
either scenario is ok by me. I'm not in charge of how this stuff works, or
why it works or why it doesn't.
Do I think women can play guitar. Sure. Play well? sure.
But I don't care about whether they are good players or not. That's up to
them.
hang out your boobs, grab your crotch.. hey.. if you can't play, then you
may still keep my interest.
I'm a real nice guy that way.
aren't you?
Twang!
Allan Flippin
But as others have said, it seems that female guitarists will more
likely take a passive "strum along" approach in their playing. One
big exception that I can think of is Kate Ebneter, who I saw play the
shit out of a guitar in a local store.
There's no reason to diss women over this though. It's fairly
well known that the male of the species has a much wider variation in
IQ and aptitudes. What I'm saying is that there are by comparison
more very stupid men and also more very brilliant men compared to
women. But if you average it out, the genders are pretty well
matched.
I believe this is the reason that for example, despite the fact
that men in general can't cook compared to women, the finest chefs are
predominately male.
The hormone thing is probably related to much of this. It seems
to be a predominantly male trait to obsess on one thing and take it
WAY beyond the point of reason. With men who are extremely talented,
this drive can result in great things. And those at the bottom of the
scale use that same drive to become sociopaths.
Allan
On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:43:00 GMT, pta...@hellmann.net (PetaY) wrote:
J0
play guitar is because of the treatment they are given when
going into a music store.
As a female I feel very intimidated when walking into a
shop and pick up a guitar to test out. I've had comments like
"Are you looking for something for your son?" ... or maybe
that says something about my playing .. hahaha! I've only
once felt welcome, and that was at the Guitar Center not
too far from where I live (Maryland). Needless to say, I bought the
$3,000 PRS from them too. The customer service had a lot to do
with it.
Maybe it's something along the lines of if "White Men Can't
Jump" then women can't play guitar. Yea, tell that to people
like Nancy Wilson, Emily Remler or Jennifer Barton. :)
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the mix.The guys pick up on her ideas and actually execute them. Guys don't
wear bangs Or mascara as well.
Andrea
> Maybe part of the problem with women not being able to
> play guitar is because of the treatment they are given when
> going into a music store.
>
> As a female I feel very intimidated when walking into a
> shop and pick up a guitar to test out. I've had comments like
> "Are you looking for something for your son?" ... or maybe
> that says something about my playing .. hahaha! I've only
> once felt welcome, and that was at the Guitar Center not
> too far from where I live (Maryland). Needless to say, I bought the
> $3,000 PRS from them too. The customer service had a lot to do
> with it.
>
> Maybe it's something along the lines of if "White Men Can't
> Jump" then women can't play guitar. Yea, tell that to people
> like Nancy Wilson, Emily Remler or Jennifer Barton. :)
>
They have such a high turnover,its no wonder the sales people find us
invisable.
If they had x-ray eyes and could see that we have serious money to
spend,they wouldn't walk right past us like we were invisable and hand
the 15 year old boys who have no money, only wishful thinking, the
guitars and service,and the time of day, at their leisure. I guess
that a lot of the sales people these chains hire aren't interested in
working or commi$$ion$, and would rather goof off and lose the store
valuable sales.
If you regularly go to a smaller local shop where the sales people
stay longer, and they get to know you,and every person who walks
through thier door is a valuable customer then you will get better
service.
Andrea
MJ
Her days touring with Michael Jackson honed her to a razor's edge.
Daniel Dreibelbis
wrote:
> I, for one, would not want to go one on one with Jennifer Batton's chops.
> Her days touring with Michael Jackson honed her to a razor's edge.
likewise. Anyone who becomes the second guitarist in Jeff Beck's band
and stand toe-to-toe with him chopswise is pretty scary indeed.
One of my favorite memories of rock n' roll was one gig I saw with
Chilliwack : opening for them was this band called Toronto, for whom
Bill Henderson and Brian McLeod produced their debut LP. Well out comes
this formidable lead guitarist who's whipping off scorching solo after
solo. And then, halfway through the second song, this guitarist comes
forward on the stage, and my buds' jaws drop. "That's a CHICK playin'!"
they gasped. Her name's Sheron Alton, and later she becomes the first
female endorsee for Dean Guitars (and probably the first female in a
Dean ad who didn't display T&A :) ).
One of the more interesting personal moments I had was running into
Girlschool in a record store in Winnipeg, and not for a promotion! They
just happened to have a few hours free (they were opening for Motorhead
that night) and were shopping for cassettes. It was strange (and
strangely satisfying) to actually talk shop with Kelly Johnson and
compare guitars, amps, effects. Enid and Denise were quite sweet too.
Actually, there was one other lady who I got to "talk shop" with -
Liona Boyd. She did a concert in Brandon in the early eighties, and
during intermission there was a meet n' greet with her. In my minute
with her we talked about her friendship with Chet Atkins and if she had
a chance to play with the just-released Gibson Chet Atkins Nylon
Solidbody (she hadn't but she was willing to give it a try ). She
actually is a marvelous classical guitarist.
--
Dan Dreibelbis, Guitar Nerd - Better Living Through Home Recording.
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Sara Haven
if I get too deep!
The post caught my eye since I am a bigtime Pretenders fan though I adore
Chrissie more for her vocal capacity and songwriting vs. guitar playing
which she doesn't do much of ....at least in live situations.
I am dismayed at the gazillions of extremely competent female acoustic
players vs. extremely few notable female electric players. It seems
everytime I track down an up and coming electric player, she's playing
blues. Maybe it's because blues progressions/scales are relatively easy or
blues are still a more acceptable genre for women than heavy metal or even
rock and roll in spite of Joan Jett, The Go-Go's, Bangles etc. Or perhaps
we just aren't aggressive enough yet to meet the demands of an instrument
made to produce very loud sound.
Speaking for myself, there is something in me that goes beyond just nurture
and just nature that stops me from turning my amp up loud (oh god, someone
might hear me NOT playing like Eric Johnson!)
There is hope though. More women are buying electric guitars (I have 5) but
I am hoping to live long enough to see female electric players confidently
making intelligent noise with every manner of humbucker and cover more
genres like progressive rock (whatever that is) and jazz.
Somewhere out there, I hope there are women willing to make the ultimate
sacrifice of family, stable relationships and soberness to take up serious
gitfiddling and life on the road that brings fame and success.
-Out
Sara
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classical/fingerstyle players, so while they are out there, they are often
quite obscure. Also, it is probably easier for a woman to fit in playing
this style because most people can't take a woman in a rock setting
seriously. Now, good female bassists seem to be a rarity in my experience.
Kate Ebneter
>
> I, for one, would not want to go one on one with Jennifer Batton's chops.
> Her days touring with Michael Jackson honed her to a razor's edge.
>
> Allan Flippin wrote:
>
> > Interesting. I thought Ms. Hynde played pretty well herself.
> > But as others have said, it seems that female guitarists will more
> > likely take a passive "strum along" approach in their playing. One
> > big exception that I can think of is Kate Ebneter, who I saw play the
> > shit out of a guitar in a local store.
Geeze, I sure fooled you, Allan! :-)
There are exceptions, of course, Ms. Batten being prime among them. Meredith
Brooks (of "Bitch" fame) can play her tail off, too. The late Emily Remler
was a true great in the jazz guitar world; I had the rare privilege of
seeing her live in a restaurant in Seattle with a piano trio and she had
chops that would make your jaw drop. Nancy Wilson can play for days. There
are lots of women who are good fingerstyle players, too.
But yeah, ripping rock-style guitar-playing women are pretty rare. It's
mostly, I think, a cultural thing, in that women are taught to be more
cooperative and group-oriented, and therefore tend to take on whatever
role is necessary in a group situation rather than jumping at the chance
to take the lead. Consider how many women bass players there are. :-)
Kate Ebneter
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Steven Johnson
Besides Nancy Wilson, I think Jan Kuhnemund (?) of Vixen is great guitarist,
male or female gender not withstanding. I actually got to see Vixen play
before they "hit it big" in Superior, WI back in 1979. I was going to tech
school with her cousin and we checked the gig out one Friday night. They
did some rockin originals, and some cover tunes that quite frankly rocked
the house.
(She had this sunburst Les Paul that I kind of drooled over a little
....<sigh>)
Of course, this was before the days of the lingerie and big hair.
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Flasherly
wrote:
Not taken out of context. She said right on stage when I saw her live.
She is a total disappointment.
How's she a disappointment?
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=4110096
Looks OK to me. Perhaps just less a disappoint, of course from some
point earlier, when a former model I used to date told me she'd once
hit on her.
Between adjusting to her timing, though, the early dynamics, all very
niche, unique and gifted -- nor for every band's cover material, then
or now to do justice, to come anywhere near a focus of intensity in
earlier Honeyman-Scott (& Farndon) performances.
She's one of a kind, what could she really expect of other women after
playing with Honeyman-Scott. It was over and that was that.
Seems like saying women seldom approach the intensity of Page or
Clapton blues' roots influences when she, herself, is more rhythm
oriented, limited, especially for a notable complimentary ability and
improvisational technical demands within lead composition.
Few women technically can command.
Maybe Chrissie's talking rhythm and it's fundamental energy driving a
good rock song. Which she has, and in spades, however to share with
other women among unique points, times and highlights. Patricia Mae
Andrzejewski, mezzo-soprano Pat Benatar and guitarist, singer Nancy
Wilson. Joan Jett. Not that I didn't also hear Madonna remark she was
considering taking guitar classes;- watching the way she'd go off into
a studio to train by herself by dancing for an upcoming performance,
the combination could have been a formidable.
notbob
> Not taken out of context. She said right on stage when I saw her
> live. She is a total disappointment.
I saw Live Aid on TV back in '85. Every band that played was
terrible, regardless of where they were being broadcast from ("dual
venue"). Drunk, stoned, badly dressed, generally hosed, etc, every
band was a huge disappointment.
It wasn't until Chrissie and the Prentenders came on that I saw a
tight, professional band. They did what all the other bands promised
and failed to deliver. They played a profressional set!
Yes, Chrissie never claimed to be a guitar guru. She did her best as
a band leader and songwriter (you should have so much success!). Much
like 99% of the C&W greats of the time, she strummed a rhythm guitar.
Beat this! ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hONtmFgh3IQ
nb
David L. Martel
There are lots of excellent female guitarists. Go to YouTube and type in
"female guitarist". Personally, I've always admired Joni Mitchell
Dave M.
Claude V. Lucas
notbob
> David L. Martel <mart...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> There are lots of excellent female guitarists. Go to YouTube and type in
>>"female guitarist". Personally, I've always admired Joni Mitchell
> Charo...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43-UUeCa6Jw
Yes, she IS playing that properly strung right-hand guitar upside down
and backwards. ;)
nb
Tony Done
as a player.
I have a soft spot for female guitarists. Here's a few that came
instantly to mind:
Rory Block
Bonnie Raitt
Molly Tuttle
Ana Popovic
Rosetta Tharpe
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> Chrissie Hynde's comments: women can't play guitar! How true is this?
southsid...@yandex.com
> Chrissie Hynde's comments: women can't play guitar! How true is this?
Pudentame
but there's lots of women who can.
Les Cargill
> On 9/2/2015 6:28 AM, Claude V. Lucas wrote:
>> In article <ms1l4e$uu6$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> David L. Martel <mart...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> Todd,
>>>
>>> There are lots of excellent female guitarists. Go to YouTube and
>>> type in
>>> "female guitarist". Personally, I've always admired Joni Mitchell
>>
>>
>> Charo...
>>
>
> You aren't mocking there are you? :) I think she is greatly underrated
> as a player.
>
> I have a soft spot for female guitarists. Here's a few that came
> instantly to mind:
>
> Rory Block
> Bonnie Raitt
> Molly Tuttle
> Ana Popovic
> Rosetta Tharpe
>
--
Les Cargill
Tony Done
> On 9/2/2015 6:28 AM, Claude V. Lucas wrote:
>> In article <ms1l4e$uu6$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> David L. Martel <mart...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> Todd,
>>>
>>> There are lots of excellent female guitarists. Go to YouTube and
>>> type in
>>> "female guitarist". Personally, I've always admired Joni Mitchell
>>
>>
>> Charo...
>>
>
> You aren't mocking there are you? :) I think she is greatly underrated
> as a player.
>
> I have a soft spot for female guitarists. Here's a few that came
> instantly to mind:
>
> Rory Block
> Bonnie Raitt
> Molly Tuttle
> Ana Popovic
> Rosetta Tharpe
>
Broonzie? She once beat him in a "guitar hero" contest; I was trying to
think of it when I first posted. It's on the tip of my tongue, but I
can't quite bring it up.
Claude V. Lucas
>On 9/2/2015 6:28 AM, Claude V. Lucas wrote:
>> In article <ms1l4e$uu6$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> David L. Martel <mart...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> Todd,
>>>
>>> There are lots of excellent female guitarists. Go to YouTube and type in
>>> "female guitarist". Personally, I've always admired Joni Mitchell
>>
>>
>> Charo...
>>
>
>You aren't mocking there are you? :) I think she is greatly underrated
>as a player.
I'd put her in at least my top 20 favorite players...
Studied with Segovia in her teens.
Check her youtoob channel.
Claude V. Lucas
>> In article <ms1l4e$uu6$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> David L. Martel <mart...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> Todd,
>>>
>>> There are lots of excellent female guitarists. Go to YouTube and type in
>>> "female guitarist". Personally, I've always admired Joni Mitchell
>>
>>
>> Charo...
>>
>
>You aren't mocking there are you? :) I think she is greatly underrated
>as a player.
I'd put her in at least my top 20 favorite players...
Studied with Segovia in her teens.
Check her youtoob channel.
>
jtees4
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2gR6SZC2M
And she even played an LP...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdgM-awfxTE
Flasherly
wrote:
>
There are some original, innovative female bass players, like Tina
Weymouth,
but no female guitarists.
None. Period.
Well, to do justice to Chrissie, she did do a later cover of _CREEP_,
nothing wrong with her ears - I personally prefer KORN's (of the
original RadioHead);- all of whom, in the spirit of what you're
saying, never quite took it so far, though they'll be first to
accredit, Neil Young's most stellar dedication when turning up his
normally unusually loud amps, so loud he scared even himself and lost
his hearing (thank god it came back).