Austin City Limits is dumb // Bright Eyes blows // Intellectual property theft rant
KentSteve
"Tightrope" from Austin City Limits. I just went back to watch it, and
it's gone. Austin City Limits had it taken down, which is their right
-- the YouTube video was a pirated version.
But here's my beef. I never watched Austin City Limits until I saw that
video. I just thought it was a bunch of nasally, self-pitying
alt-country twangers or bluegrass twiddlers on that show. After seeing
the SRV video, I checked it out. Watched three shows. That pirated SRV
video was better advertising than any advertising Austin City Limits
has done in the past 10 years. Maybe the show shouldn't be so touchy
about free advertising.
Of course, once I watched the show, I realized it's not so hot. I saw a
boring John Fogey -- I mean Fogerty -- concert in which he did
uninspired versions of his hits and switched guitars every song just to
play bar chords. Then I saw a show that was stupid enough to stop the
Wilco concert half-way through to show a half-hour of some pathetic
wanker named Bright Eyes, who sounds like a cross between Jim Croce and
Bobcat Godthwaite and does neither of them credit. That guy BLOWS.
Anyhow, I'm a published author, and I'm as uptight as the next "artist"
about intellectual property theft. But not all theft is bad. And since
I've never seen an Austin City Limts ad apart form a small spot on
public TV, I think it'd be wise for that show to allow a few of its
pirated clips to stick on YouTube. If you put a dollar value on that
exposure, it'd be more than the show could pay in a million years.
The Repair Guy
--snip--
>Anyhow, I'm a published author, and I'm as uptight
>as the next "artist" about intellectual property theft.
>But not all theft is bad.
I think you mean "copying".
The Repair Guy
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Smak!
> There was a smokin' SRV video on YouTube, his six-minute version of
> "Tightrope" from Austin City Limits. I just went back to watch it, and
> it's gone. Austin City Limits had it taken down, which is their right
> -- the YouTube video was a pirated version.
>
> But here's my beef. I never watched Austin City Limits until I saw that
> video. I just thought it was a bunch of nasally, self-pitying
> alt-country twangers or bluegrass twiddlers on that show. After seeing
> the SRV video, I checked it out. Watched three shows. That pirated SRV
> video was better advertising than any advertising Austin City Limits
> has done in the past 10 years. Maybe the show shouldn't be so touchy
> about free advertising.
Do they sell DVD's of these shows? I could see being very protective of
their show clips if you can buy them, but if you can't what's the big deal?
Jeff
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its peak) are availiable on DVD. Look for the title "Live from Austin"
Also the outtakes are availiable in the Epic box set (3 CD`s and one
DVD).
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Keith Adams
show or the majority of their guests but SRV was about the king of wankers.
The dude didnt have a creative bone in his body. Yeah he could play a guitar
but so can a hell of allot of other people.
boardjunkie
Ok.....and you are playing *what* arena tonight? The anti-SRV tirade is
becoming tiresome. Let's hear you and we'll decide who *we* like
better. Then rant about who has a creative bone. Heh heh.....I said
"bone"......
EF in FLA
> guitar but so can a hell of allot of other people.
ef
Smak!
Ehhhh wrong. SRV could play and was something special.
Jeff
Jon
boardjunkie wrote:
> Ok.....and you are playing *what* arena tonight? The anti-SRV tirade is
> becoming tiresome. Let's hear you and we'll decide who *we* like
> better. Then rant about who has a creative bone. Heh heh.....I said
> "bone"......
>
Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion but one can't help
but wonder what could possibly be the basis of such opinions. My guess
is Keith never saw him perform live or possibly just has no interest in
blues guitarists anyway and therefore can't really appreciate them. As
a blues aficionado living in Austin I had the privilege of seeing Stevie
Ray live several times and I thought he was incredibly creative, not to
mention winning a Grammy and having played at the Carnegie Hall. He was
held in high regard by many high-profile blues players that were around
long before him such as Eric Clapton and Buddy Guy.
My opinion of Keith Adams, judging by his posts here, is that he is
basically a miserable person who thrives on causing strife. Although he
seems to possess a good deal of guitar knowledge he rarely has anything
positive to contribute. Usually it's just criticism bordering on the
ridiculous where it is he alone against everyone else in the thread.
M...@disney.com
Back at it ass wart? Still waiting for your video. Are you really
Wereo?
J.P.
wrote:
Maybe you should do a video so we could see your stuff.....
Nil
> Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion but one can't
> help but wonder what could possibly be the basis of such opinions.
First you ask the question...
> My opinion of Keith Adams, judging by his posts here, is that he
> is basically a miserable person who thrives on causing strife.
Then you give the correct answer!
Andy
Indeed. One of the finest trolls around.
On another note (speaking of opinions) I'd rather listen to Bright Eyes
than SRV. "Each to their own" and all that, hey?
Cheers,
Andy.
Lewis
On Nov 11, 10:54 am, "KentSteve" <kentsteve2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There was a smokin' SRV video on YouTube, his six-minute version of
> "Tightrope" from Austin City Limits. I just went back to watch it, and
> it's gone. Austin City Limits had it taken down, which is their right
> -- the YouTube video was a pirated version.
>
> But here's my beef. I never watched Austin City Limits until I saw that
> video. I just thought it was a bunch of nasally, self-pitying
> alt-country twangers or bluegrass twiddlers on that show. After seeing
> the SRV video, I checked it out. Watched three shows. That pirated SRV
> video was better advertising than any advertising Austin City Limits
> has done in the past 10 years. Maybe the show shouldn't be so touchy
> about free advertising.
>
Had you spent a little less time watching WWE Smackdown and Nascar
you may very well have run across Austin City Limits before. The show's
been on the air for over 20 years, and has put forth great effort in
presenting artists that most people don't regularly get exposed to.
They also allow otherwise popular artists to showcase their talents in
a setting that may be somewhat different than what they're usually
presented in. To wit... I've seen Leonard Cohen, Jeff Buckley, Dave
Edmunds and Nick Lowe, Allison Krause, Ry Cooder, John Hiatt, Dave
Alvin, even Adrian Belew. That's the short list. That the show does
broadcast from Texas, and does have a propensity for featuring "roots"
music, doesn't mean that it's some kind of limp wristed haven for "a
bunch of nasally, self-pitying alt-country twangers or bluegrass
twiddlers".
> Of course, once I watched the show, I realized it's not so hot. I saw a
> boring John Fogey -- I mean Fogerty -- concert in which he did
> uninspired versions of his hits and switched guitars every song just to
> play bar chords. Then I saw a show that was stupid enough to stop the
> Wilco concert half-way through to show a half-hour of some pathetic
> wanker named Bright Eyes, who sounds like a cross between Jim Croce and
> Bobcat Godthwaite and does neither of them credit. That guy BLOWS.
I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here and just kind of assume that the
breadth of your musical knowledge extends from Lynnard Skynard
through The Marshall Tucker Band. Great players, as is SRV (though
quite far from my favorite), but not exactly groundbreaking stuff. I
can understand how Conner Oberst (Bright Eyes) may be a little much for
you to wrap your myopic mind around. He's a kid. He's got a lot on his
mind. And he's found what I consider to be an interesting way of
expressing it; in much the same vein as The Violent Femmes, David Byrne
and Patti Smith did 20 or so years ago. I didn't see the Wilco show, so
I can't attest as to the reasoning behind cutting it, but on the other
hand, when you've seen one Wilco song you've pretty much seen 'em all.
Nels keeps it interesting, but after all it is pretty much just
tunefully twadlled Phish-isms.
> Anyhow, I'm a published author, and I'm as uptight as the next "artist"
> about intellectual property theft. But not all theft is bad. And since
> I've never seen an Austin City Limts ad apart form a small spot on
> public TV, I think it'd be wise for that show to allow a few of its
> pirated clips to stick on YouTube. If you put a dollar value on that
> exposure, it'd be more than the show could pay in a million years.
OK... I'll bite. What exactly are you a published author of? All I can
say is that I hope it's very interesting and earthshakingly novel.
Otherwise you've just shoved your entire foot into your fucking mouth.
Play Pretty,
Lewis
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KentSteve
most affected pop stars of my lifetime. Bright Eyes sings like a
nine-year-old getting ready for a nervous breakdown. If he has "a lot
on his mind," he's not convincing me to care about it. I think he's a
phony. The 16-year-old girls in the Austin audience didn't, though,
I'll grant you. As to ASL, you're right -- I've been remiss in not
watching it all these years. But my diss of the content was a throwaway
compared to my criticism of its narrow-minded approach to YouTube,
which is the best free advertising most shows and bands will ever get.
How is a six-minute clip of SRV going to undermine one of PBS' star
franchises? Do you have a comment on that, or are you still smarting
over my criticism of the lugubrious "Bright Eyes"? Speaking of free
advertising, I checked out your mp3's, and I enjoyed them. It doesn't
matter what I've published on. But I've created a lot of intellectual
property (and protected it or shared it when appropriate), and I know
that I wouldn't have discovered that ASL shows players like SRV and
that it licenses videos (for money) of great performances if I hadn't
seen that YouTube video -- now banished from the site -- which is why I
posted. You need to chill out. Newsgroups are full of bombastic
commentators, and my opinions that Bright Eyes blows and Austin City
Limits is shortsighted don't quality as putting my "entire" foot into
my "fucking" mouth.
> > Bobcat Godthwaite and does neither of them credit. That guy BLOWS.I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here and just kind of assume that the
> breadth of your musical knowledge extends from Lynnard Skynard
> through The Marshall Tucker Band. Great players, as is SRV (though
> quite far from my favorite), but not exactly groundbreaking stuff. I
> can understand how Conner Oberst (Bright Eyes) may be a little much for
> you to wrap your myopic mind around. He's a kid. He's got a lot on his
> mind. And he's found what I consider to be an interesting way of
> expressing it; in much the same vein as The Violent Femmes, David Byrne
> and Patti Smith did 20 or so years ago. I didn't see the Wilco show, so
> I can't attest as to the reasoning behind cutting it, but on the other
> hand, when you've seen one Wilco song you've pretty much seen 'em all.
> Nels keeps it interesting, but after all it is pretty much just
> tunefully twadlled Phish-isms.
>
> > Anyhow, I'm a published author, and I'm as uptight as the next "artist"
> > about intellectual property theft. But not all theft is bad. And since
> > I've never seen an Austin City Limts ad apart form a small spot on
> > public TV, I think it'd be wise for that show to allow a few of its
> > pirated clips to stick on YouTube. If you put a dollar value on that
> > exposure, it'd be more than the show could pay in a million years.OK... I'll bite. What exactly are you a published author of? All I can
Lewis
On Nov 12, 12:25 am, "KentSteve" <kentsteve2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sorry I pissed you off by exercising my right to criticize one of the
> most affected pop stars of my lifetime. Bright Eyes sings like a
> nine-year-old getting ready for a nervous breakdown. If he has "a lot
> on his mind," he's not convincing me to care about it. I think he's a
> phony. The 16-year-old girls in the Austin audience didn't, though,
> I'll grant you. As to ASL, you're right -- I've been remiss in not
> watching it all these years. But my diss of the content was a throwaway
> compared to my criticism of its narrow-minded approach to YouTube,
> which is the best free advertising most shows and bands will ever get.
> How is a six-minute clip of SRV going to undermine one of PBS' star
> franchises? Do you have a comment on that, or are you still smarting
> over my criticism of the lugubrious "Bright Eyes"? Speaking of free
> advertising, I checked out your mp3's, and I enjoyed them. It doesn't
> matter what I've published on. But I've created a lot of intellectual
> property (and protected it or shared it when appropriate), and I know
> that I wouldn't have discovered that ASL shows players like SRV and
> that it licenses videos (for money) of great performances if I hadn't
> seen that YouTube video -- now banished from the site -- which is why I
> posted. You need to chill out. Newsgroups are full of bombastic
> commentators, and my opinions that Bright Eyes blows and Austin City
> Limits is shortsighted don't quality as putting my "entire" foot into
> my "fucking" mouth.
I hardly think that ASL actually needs exposure from youtube. Most
viewers invariably come to the show by either running across it by
accident, or they're regular PBS viewers, or someone else tells them
about it. It's public tv, devoid of commercial advertising. Being the
type of organization they are (publicly funded) I would imagine that
they neither want nor need youtube links. I can understand why they
wouldn't want their material kyped and rebroadcast on a web site. If
they feel that it's an infringement upon their intellectual property
rights they have every legal right to have the "offending" material
removed. It might suck, but it is what it is.
That aside, I'm very happy that you found the show (by whatever means).
You should probably give it a few more chances though; there really are
some killer performances from time to time.
Glad you enjoyed my songs (I'm not affiliated with any federally funded
or non-profit orginization that prohibits me from indulging in
shameless self-promotion, and neither am I personally beneath it
obviously). I still like the Bright Eyes kid, and upon further
reflection, your foot didn't fit particularly well in your mouth
anyways.
Lewis
papacarl
about. If I'm to assume it has something to do with music, I am amazed
that you don't know about ASL. It is a bedrock of creative music, and music
being made available to the public on PBS that possibly wouldn't be
available in the commercial market. Austin itself has a strong tradition is
fostering music and the arts. I have seen countless great performances on
that show and have watched in for more years than I can remember. You
should try watching PBS a little....it might ecducate you and broaden your
horizons....may even help your writing some. PapaCarl
Twang
I think people are stupid for not realizing that a youtube video of one
song from an artist.. or even several videos of the entire
performance.. is going to cost them money.
no matter how savvy a pc user is, I doubt like hell than more than a
few are going to copy and burn said performances, in lieu of buying
performance dvd.
ACLimits has some of the most horrid crap in the world on it. They have
the taste of a marketing moron in any venue.
For me their only claim to fame is that they attempt to break type by
putting on people like Prine and Cohen..and they push the blues a bit
now and again.
they remind me of rolling stone.. remember when it was outsider hippy
types... then it turned into full blown gimmee gimmee republicans..
now the wind has changed and they are are now liberals again..
ACLimits blows with the wind. So, sometime, it truly just blows.
They have had some wonderful performances.. over the years.. and I have
a good deal of them on tape.
I check out who's on every week. I rarely watch anymore.
When I have, I got a sense of overblown hubris.. typically in the
country vein..
puzzled pleading.. typically from the rock end..
and really bad boring elevator jazz stylings from whoever is popular
with really bad boring elevator riders..
technology is problematic. so is freedom. *s*
AClimits needs to relax.
fat chance.
TWANG!
ty
seeing the Amazing Rhythm Aces in the '70s and being blown away - at any
rate, it's a crapshoot, but there are so few choices these days for live
music any more - gone is Don k and King Biscuit, not to mention Midnight
Special... PBS has at least (maybe more, but I doubt it) one
non-communist program with the possibility of being entertaining...
ty
ty
by SRV followed by BB King. At the end they all jammed on stage at the
Opry House in Nashville (at the time it wasn't the Ryman but at
Opryland), and no one seemed to think SRV was not creative. We all had
a fine time, felt it was money well spent, no regrets
M...@disney.com
JRV played live in Austin a couple of weekends ago in the most famous
club there. Where did you say you played Keith?
RichCI
KentSteve wrote:
> There was a smokin' SRV video on YouTube, his six-minute version of
> "Tightrope" from Austin City Limits. I just went back to watch it, and
> it's gone. Austin City Limits had it taken down, which is their right
> -- the YouTube video was a pirated version.
>
> But here's my beef. I never watched Austin City Limits until I saw that
> video. I just thought it was a bunch of nasally, self-pitying
> alt-country twangers or bluegrass twiddlers on that show. After seeing
> the SRV video, I checked it out. Watched three shows. That pirated SRV
> video was better advertising than any advertising Austin City Limits
> has done in the past 10 years. Maybe the show shouldn't be so touchy
> about free advertising.
>
> about intellectual property theft. But not all theft is bad. And since
> I've never seen an Austin City Limts ad apart form a small spot on
> public TV, I think it'd be wise for that show to allow a few of its
> pirated clips to stick on YouTube. If you put a dollar value on that
> exposure, it'd be more than the show could pay in a million years.
I agree with you to an extent. The one thing to keep in mind is that
guys like you and I actually go out and buy CDs/DVDs when we find
something we like on YouTube or wherever. Other people base their
entire music and movie collections on pirated files they download off
of the internet and never had any intention of purchasing the products
in the first place. That's the sort of thing that makes it suck for
the rest of us but at least sites like Amazon.com and such provide
short song clips from CDs that they sell although I'd like to see the
same thing for music DVDs just so I can at least check out the quality
of the recording before I buy.
noodles
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rmjon23
1991. I'd been practicing all day and took a break, started channel
surfing...and WHA??? Who is this guy? It was SRV, and I was completely
floored. It was like a religious experience seeing a guy play that well
"live" on TV. Maybe a couple yrs later a friend called late at night.
"Dude check out PBS right now. Trust me." CLICK. Eric Johnson! Insanely
cool!
I am one of those who will buy something I've seen on TV or YouTube or
heard on the radio. I refuse to download music from the Net. I have
never burnt a CD for someone else. But if someone gives me something
burnt as a gift I say thanks and take it. Also, if someone wants to
borrow a CD I say yes and don't care what they do with it, a long as I
get it back intact. I don't think I'm "right" and others who download
or burn are "wrong." I just think people shd make up their own minds
how they want to go about things, while constantly thinking of the
ramifications of their actions...which is the original meaning of
"morality." Hell, maybe I'm missing some parts of the bigger picture?
But as of today, following as much of the intellectual property debates
as I can find the time for, I insist on paying for my entertainment.
But I consider a GIFT a completely different thing. Public domain
issues are really interesting to me right now...but I digress.
Basically, I think personal CHOICE is the most important issue here.
That I have chosen NOT to download or burn is secondary. I love that
people now have the choice as to what to do. It's just a basic value
for me. Choice that is. And it makes the "property" idea heady stuff
indeed.
No matter where you stand within the debates about
intellectual/artistic property you should be able to explain to a
neophyte what the main debates are about, without tipping your hand as
to where YOU stand.
I thought it was funny a few yrs back when Metallica got very vocal
about Napster stuff while at the same time Courtney Love was saying,
"download everything and fuck these greedy music industry execs." (I
paraphrase from memory.)
It's complicated. If I'm on Usenet and in a group that discusses some
narrow domain of culture and I find an article from a newspaper or
magazine that seems pertinent to the discussion, I'll post it. So in
that way I'm copying/stealing/appropriating, etc. One may call that
hypocritical, but I have a long and tedious argument for why I do it,
which I will not go into here.