Guitars Made in Korea - How Good or They?

[R. Dean]

I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
guitars made in other Asian countries?

[Count DeMonet (fka MZ)]

On Aug 14, 12:05 pm, "R. Dean" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?

Well the general consensus as I understand it is that Korean made
guitars are generally a better product than Chinese r Taiwanese
products and Japanese are supposed to be the best of the Asian stuff.
I have a MIK strat that plays and sounds as good as any MIA, MIM or
MIJ strat I've tried out or owned. My Peavey EXP is also Korean and
it's insanely good.

[Clyde Penquin]

R. Dean wrote:
> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?

I don't know that you can generalize about that safely. I own one
Korean-made guitar that's a piece of junk (2000 Epi LP) .. but I've
heard many people express satisfaction with other Korean-made guitars.

"It depends" might be the best answer. Or "Play the specific guitar
you're thinking about buying and decide for yourself."

Sorry, that's not much help. But there can be a LOT of variation in
quality if the category is as broad as "made in Korea." Checking
for yourself is definitely going to be the best bet.

[jtees4]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:05:36 -0400, "R. Dean" <rd...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>
>I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
>guitars made in other Asian countries?
>

Korean guitars were considered garbage by many (not saying they
are!)....until they started making guitars in China. Now Korean
guitars are considered good to great...and the Chinese are considered
garbage. I'm sure that will change once the guitars are made somewhere
else.
Actually now that I think about it...this started in the 70's with the
USA vs: Japanese guitars.
There is no reason for a Chinese gutar to be any less quality than
anywhere else with the modern factories and computer controlled stuff
today. At least when it comes to solid body electric guitars.

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On Aug 14, 12:36 pm, Clyde Penquin <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote:

> "It depends" might be the best answer.  Or "Play the specific guitar
> you're thinking about buying and decide for yourself."

Yep. It's like saying "how good are American wines"? There's a whole
spectrum of quality from excellent to horrible.

- Rich

[Dr. Zontar]

On Aug 14, 12:24 pm, "Count DeMonet (fka MZ)" <rockin...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a MIK strat that plays and sounds as good as any MIA, MIM or
> MIJ strat I've tried out or owned.

Did you ever put that picture of Margaret Cho on it? If not, I'd like
to suggest Yunjin Kim (sp?) from "Lost"...

- Rich

[Jim]

R. Dean wrote:

> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?
>
>

In general, I find that Korean guitars are good quality, better than Indonesian
or Chinese. But there are different plants in Korea, and different quality
levels within the plants. Epiphone has a Chinese factory that seems to be
putting out some decent guitars. When they contracted with another factory, the
quality was low (IMHO). But I still see higher end "limited edition" Epiphones
being made in S. Korea. Some Japanese guitars are very nice. But older
Japanese "vintage" (I'm talking 20+ years old)? 90% are JUNK. Don't be fooled
by vintage prices.

When it comes to even the better Korean models at the better plants, there is
still some variation guitar to guitar. ...just like for US Gibsons.

[Jim]

jtees4 wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:05:36 -0400, "R. Dean" <rd...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
>>guitars made in other Asian countries?
>>
>
>
> Korean guitars were considered garbage by many (not saying they
> are!)....until they started making guitars in China. Now Korean
> guitars are considered good to great...and the Chinese are considered
> garbage. I'm sure that will change once the guitars are made somewhere
> else.

Part of that may be true because it takes a while to get them right, and it
takes the right investment and the right management. That's why today's Chinese
Epiphone is better than the Chinese Epiphone of 10 years ago. They now run a
plant, and made the commitment. I wish it would've been in another country, for
reasons other than the focus of this group.

> Actually now that I think about it...this started in the 70's with the
> USA vs: Japanese guitars.

And 90% or more of the early Japanese are just plain old JUNK. I owned some of
it. Now they sell it as "vintage."

> There is no reason for a Chinese gutar to be any less quality than
> anywhere else with the modern factories and computer controlled stuff
> today. At least when it comes to solid body electric guitars.

Yup, it takes investment, commitment, management. And hopefully they have a
climate controlled environment where they sit for a while prior to being set up.
A lot of the nasty necks that come out of Asia is a combination of substandard
parts and labor, but also weather. If the wood is rushed and a bit green, and
it put together quickly and shipped quickly from a hot, humid site... It'll
change when it acclimates to our environment. That's one reason razor sharp
fret ends were VERY common on Squiers for a while.

>

[jtees4]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:31:05 -0700, Jim <j...@askmebeforeyousend.com>
wrote:

Very sharp fret ends are also very common on the Gibson faded SG's
(I assume the other fadeds as well). I had one...I know.
I agree with you about the Japanese guitars being junk at one time, I
would say that was mostly true in the 60's and early 70's. Then we
started getting some good ones from Ibanez and a few others....whch
are now worth a decent amount of money...and truly were good guitars.

[Patrick Keenan]

"R. Dean" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?

There's a saying that has critical relevance to the answer.

The saying is, "It depends".

There's crap made everywhere, and many places where quality instruments are
made. I have a couple of excellent Korean-made instruments. I have
seen some trash.

You really can't generalize about quality based solely on country of
manufacture. You need a lot more information.

HTH
-pk

[Jack Wagner]

On Aug 14, 12:05 pm, "R. Dean" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?

I've got one guitar made in America, one made in Korea, one made in
China and one made in Japan. They're all fine guitars.

Really it doesn't matter where they're made, it's all down to each
specific guitar and if you like it or not.

[Patrick Keenan]

"jtees4" <jte...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:05:36 -0400, "R. Dean" <rd...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
>>guitars made in other Asian countries?
>>
>
> Korean guitars were considered garbage by many (not saying they
> are!)....until they started making guitars in China. Now Korean
> guitars are considered good to great...and the Chinese are considered
> garbage.

Not necessarily true. Behind me there's a new Guild GAD-40C, made in
China, and it is a very, very good guitar.

Much more important is the plant and the workers where the item is made.
If the plant is equipped and the workers are trained, quality can be very
good.

-pk

[Patrick Keenan]

"Jim" <j...@askmebeforeyousend.com> wrote in message
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> R. Dean wrote:
>
>> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
>> guitars made in other Asian countries?
>
> In general, I find that Korean guitars are good quality, better than
> Indonesian or Chinese. But there are different plants in Korea, and
> different quality levels within the plants. Epiphone has a Chinese
> factory that seems to be putting out some decent guitars. When they
> contracted with another factory, the quality was low (IMHO). But I still
> see higher end "limited edition" Epiphones being made in S. Korea.

My Epiphone Wildkat is Korean manufacture. It's really quite good.

My Guild GAD-40C is Chinese and is excellent.

>Some Japanese guitars are very nice. But older Japanese "vintage" (I'm
>talking 20+ years old)? 90% are JUNK. Don't be fooled by vintage prices.

Tthis depends on what was ordered, at what price point. Certainly, there
was junk produced, for example laminated bolt-on LP type guitars. (Hoever
even those probably compare well with Stellas and Harmonys from earlier
periods). But there were a number of quality instruments made, at the
point where Ibanez stopped ripping off the Gibson headstock (and started
ripping off the Guild headstock instead). I've got an Ibanez LP Standard
copy from that period, and it's as good as Gibson production was, if not
better.

Tokai guitars started showing up in that period too, and they were excellent
copies. Still are.

When Fender execs bought it back from CBS in the 80's, they contracted with
plants that had been producing copies, to produce the lines including the
Squier line. These guitars were top-quality. Again, I've got a couple
of guitars based on Strat necks from those guitars (I worked in a shop,
parts went by), and after 25 years they are still very good.

The point is that you can't generalize on quality based on country of
manufacture.

-pk

[Count DeMonet (fka MZ)]

HAHA! I think I may consider it. I might "Photoshop" it first
though.. :-P

[Steve Johnson]

"R. Dean" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>

> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?
>

Samick and Cort are based in Korea, and they peobably make more guitars than
any other manufacturer. There's probably a reason that most of the major
players (ie. Fender/Gibson) contract with Samick to make their imports...

-Steve (Current owner of 2 MIK Electrics)

[jtees4]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:17:31 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null>
wrote:

>
>"jtees4" <jte...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:05:36 -0400, "R. Dean" <rd...@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
>>>guitars made in other Asian countries?
>>>
>>
>> Korean guitars were considered garbage by many (not saying they
>> are!)....until they started making guitars in China. Now Korean
>> guitars are considered good to great...and the Chinese are considered
>> garbage.
>
>Not necessarily true. Behind me there's a new Guild GAD-40C, made in
>China, and it is a very, very good guitar.
>
>Much more important is the plant and the workers where the item is made.
>If the plant is equipped and the workers are trained, quality can be very
>good.
>
>-pk
>
>

I don't disagree with you. I did not mean that "I"thought the Chinese
guitars are garbage, I meant most people "consider" them garabage next
to the Korean guitars. Like you...right behind me is an Epi G400 made
in China...I put in new pickups and it is a surprisingly great guitar!

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Trained you say?
How long do you think it takes a person to learn one small procedure
like merely screwing down a bridge with predrilled holes there for
the screws? I think you'd be an old hand after about 1 hour and a
master after an 8 hour shift. Thats how about 95 percent of all
guitars you see are built.

[Tony Done]

"R. Dean" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>

> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?
>

The Koreans have now had a lot of experience in guitar building and the
general consensus is that they are below Japan and above the rest (in both
quality and price), but I think you have to get down to specifics and trust
your own eyes and ears. I'm prepared to trust my senses with the Chinese,
Korean and Japanese guitars, but I would be a bit shy of the rest on the
basis of timber quality and seasoning.

Tony D

[Patrick Keenan]

"Steve Johnson" <stev...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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IIRC, much of the Gretsch Electromatic line is made in Korea in Samick
plants. And these guitars are vastly better than a lot of later
(Baldwin) Gretsch American production was. The higher-end line, the
6120's and Chet Atkins guitars, are made in Japan. IIRC, only the
signature models are made in the USA.

-pk

[mirt54]

On Aug 14, 12:05 pm, "R. Dean" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?

Schecter Diamond Series (non custom shop) guitars are made in Korea
and set up and inspected in Burbank, CA. I have a couple and they are
great.

[Mark Bedingfield]

R. Dean wrote:
> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?
>
>

I have 3 Korean Guitars. An 1990 Squier Strat, a 1993 Fender Catalina
acoustic and a 1992 Samick SG-90 (made when Samick were making Epiphone
- roughly the same as a G-400). I'd rack any of them up against what
ever you like. The Fender's in particular.

I'll say this, first generation of anything is generally shit. For Korea
that was the early eighties. However, they got a LOT of support from
Japan in the early years too. I would say that MIJ/CIJ and MIK are on
par these days. I have played Japanese and Korean Fenders and found
there to be 3/5ths of 5/8ths of fuck all difference in MOST cases. I'd
also add that my MIK's are as good as any US models I've ever played
either.

I am generalising, there is crap in every stable after all. I'd also add
that I have very little in the way of knowledge of much outside of
Fenders or Samicks. When I bought my SG it was sitting next to a Gibson
USA SG, the finish on the Samick was better (15 odd years ago tho). I
personally thing that Samick make better stuff than Cort.

I have changed the pups on both electrics mind you, but then I've done
that to ALL my guitars;-) They were fitted with ceramic pups, adequate
but not my style. These days any Fender from Korea will most likely have
Alnico pups. Also, while Chinese guitars can be good (I have one) I
generally would not compare them to Japanese or Korean manufacture. As a
side note, I have a MIM Fender 50's RI, the finish on the Korean Squier
is better.

End of the day if you have something in mind play it and see;-)

Mark

[WB]

R. Dean wrote:
> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?
>
>

I can't speak for current stock,
I have a Samick Tele made back in the early 90's
that kicks ass. Workmanship is incredible.

[Jim]

FWIW, it appears that Epiphone is still producing their top line guitars
in Korea, NOT China. I found a couple of Sheritons, both Korean, one
with an 08 serial number. I've also seen some of the Limited Edition
types with rather new Korean serial numbers.

[Jim]

Jim wrote:
> FWIW, it appears that Epiphone is still producing their top line guitars
> in Korea, NOT China. I found a couple of Sheritons, both Korean, one
> with an 08 serial number. I've also seen some of the Limited Edition
> types with rather new Korean serial numbers.

I stopped by a Guitar Center yesterday, and found an Epiphone with a
Samick Indonesia serial number as well! ...so it is NOT just Chinese.

[Larry]

My Epi Les Paul Ultra II was built in Unsung, Korea (Code = U) and they did
a fine job. No construction or visual imperfections at all.

I'm more worried about China based stuff. So far, I have not been impressed
with the quality of things coming out of China (any industry). And don't
get me started on the Poisoning fiasco's (which haven't ceased). First they
killed our Pets, then they tried to kill us (Heprin, toothpaste). The only
thing I've seen from China that has been worth a damn is my Couch. Go
figure... Nothing against the Chinese people, but their
management/government is cutting corners and it's costing people.

-Larry

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[Mark Bedingfield]

Larry wrote:
> My Epi Les Paul Ultra II was built in Unsung, Korea (Code = U) and they
> did a fine job. No construction or visual imperfections at all.
>
> I'm more worried about China based stuff. So far, I have not been
> impressed with the quality of things coming out of China (any
> industry). And don't get me started on the Poisoning fiasco's (which
> haven't ceased). First they killed our Pets, then they tried to kill us
> (Heprin, toothpaste). The only thing I've seen from China that has been
> worth a damn is my Couch. Go figure... Nothing against the Chinese
> people, but their management/government is cutting corners and it's
> costing people.

There's no escaping Chinese production, especially in this neck of the
woods. Consumers drive prices down and if business' want to stay afloat
they have no alternative if they want to be competitive. They end of the
day anyone who buys Chinese goods is just as responsible. Also the
Government only exists at the behest of its population. If they wanted
out of communism they would get rid of it. Your country did it, mine
didn't;-)

I have a CY Squier Tele, even tho it says made in China, its made in
Taiwan. Tho I'm stil not sure if that's a better deal, they are both a
bit on the nasty side.

One of my pet peeves is Indonesia, they are a corrupt oppressive regime
and I constantly hear people going to Bali say "Its the Government, not
the people". The Government only exists by the will of its people. If
they wanted rid of those bastards, they would be. Altho a bit of
brainwashing goes a long way. Even that makes me wonder about our own
level of brainwashing, some of the stuff my kids come home with is a bit
on the frightening side

Mark

[obladee obladah]

I have three "asian" guitars...

One made in Korea is a now discontinued Ibanez thinline Artcore
AW82LTD-BK that I picked up used for less than $300. It has fantasic
pickups, with a scale length similar to a LP and intonates better than
any other guitar in my harem. The workmanship could not be better,
and the real abolone (sp?) inlays on the figured rosewood neck are
just gorgeous. It is a black thinline semi-hollowbody with a soft
creame colored binding and mother-of-pearl around the edges just
inside of the binding. It has neck thru construction using a full
center mass block to mount the pickups. It has an adjustable chrome
one piece wrap around bridge that is SO-o-o-o much more comfortable
than a tune-a-matic style. It is my favorite guitar of the dozen or
so that I have... and it is probably the cheapest of the lot. I did
remove the cheap pots and replace them with real Gibson 500K pots
and black stratocaster knobs because I love the feel of those.

The second one is a Breedlove 12-string acoustic with a Fishman-IV
pickup system onboard. It has a sitka-spruce top and laminated
mahogany sides and back. The neck is flawless and it easily stands up
to a USA made Taylor or Martin in terms of fit and finish. It has a
satin polyurethane type of finish that feels great.... but I wonder if
it will stand up for years of playing. It sounds and plays better
than any 12-string that I have ever played. Made in Korea.

The other one was a solid body Ibanez RG-EX2 made in China and fitted
with EMG-select pickups. It plays great and looks beautiful, but
those third tier EMG pickups somewhat suck. I am saving up for a set
of real Gibson '57 classics to go into that one. I am told that it
was sold only through GC stores during the summer of 2004 or 2005 for
around $500 and then discontinued. I purchased it used (immaculate!)
for less than $300. I must have a thing for solid gloss black Ibanez
guitars with creme colored binding. hmmmmm.

Some of my favorites! (the rest are all USA/Custom Shop/Mexican/
Japanese stratocasters) I also have Mel-o-bar & Goldtone lapsteels.

P.S:

I once had a transparent red Ibanez Satriani JS-100 that I converted
to a JS-1000 with little help from Dimarzio for the custom pole-pieces
that I needed. It was made in Japan, but now belongs to my brother.
It was an excellent and flawless guitar... but I am not a schredder,
so I never really felt comfortable with the locking Floyd-Rose style
licensed bridge system, much as I tried. I much prefer a shorter
scale length and a hard-tail bridge. Then I can do all of the vibrato
that I want with my left hand... blues style.

--
Someone@somewhere (over the rainbow...)

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Em quinta-feira, 14 de agosto de 2008 13h05min36s UTC-3, R. Dean escreveu:
> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?

The made in Korea guitars are the new made in Japan guitars.

[White Spirit]

On 06/09/2013 12:43, fru...@gmail.com wrote:

> Em quinta-feira, 14 de agosto de 2008 13h05min36s UTC-3, R. Dean escreveu:

^^^^

>> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
>> guitars made in other Asian countries?

> The made in Korea guitars are the new made in Japan guitars.

I think I'm going to start filtering everything that comes from Google
Groups.

[notbob]

On 2013-09-06, White Spirit <wsp...@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:

> I think I'm going to start filtering everything that comes from Google
> Groups.

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

[esha...@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:05:36 AM UTC-5, R. Dean wrote:
> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?

I got one of these a while back - It Is Fantastic

FMY HH TELE (Korean Fender Custom Shop)

http://www.fender.com/en-CA/series/special-edition/special-edition-custom-telecaster-fmt-hh-rosewood-fingerboard-amber/

2c Ed S.

[lucky...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:36:58 AM UTC-7, Clyde Penquin wrote:
> R. Dean wrote:
> > I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> > guitars made in other Asian countries?
>

> I don't know that you can generalize about that safely. I own one
> Korean-made guitar that's a piece of junk (2000 Epi LP) .. but I've
> heard many people express satisfaction with other Korean-made guitars.
>
> "It depends" might be the best answer. Or "Play the specific guitar
> you're thinking about buying and decide for yourself."
>
> Sorry, that's not much help. But there can be a LOT of variation in
> quality if the category is as broad as "made in Korea." Checking
> for yourself is definitely going to be the best bet.

Fact of the matter is that you can't even generalize "2000 Korean Epiphone." Epiphone was using at least three different Korean companies to build guitars for them at that time. And then, there's the difference in quality between different models of the Epiphone Les Paul.

ALL GUITARS VERY IN QUALITY. As price drops, they tend to vary even more, usually for the worse. So I'm not surprised to hear that you hate your 2000 MIK Epiphone. I have two from the same era that I really like, but neither are the cheaper Samick built, and both are "Limited Edition" models that (based on the dozen or so I've picked up) tend to be of higher quality out of the gate, compared to standard models.

[lucky...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:11:41 AM UTC-7, jtees4 wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:05:36 -0400, "R. Dean" <rd...@bellsouth.net>

> wrote:
>
> >
> >I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> >guitars made in other Asian countries?
> >
>

> Korean guitars were considered garbage by many (not saying they
> are!)....until they started making guitars in China.

Nah. Indonesia, Taiwan, India and others have always been considered a few rungs down from Korea. But none of this really matters, because you CAN cherry pick for a gem.

Now Korean
> guitars are considered good to great...and the Chinese are considered

> garbage. I'm sure that will change once the guitars are made somewhere

> else.
> Actually now that I think about it...this started in the 70's with the
> USA vs: Japanese guitars.

Japanese guitars, including over priced "vintage" on CL and Ebay WERE mostly junk in the 60's and 70's. I owned a few. The $29 K-mart "blue light special" is now hawked on CL as an $800 vintage guitar. ...for suckers.

> There is no reason for a Chinese gutar to be any less quality than
> anywhere else with the modern factories and computer controlled stuff
> today. At least when it comes to solid body electric guitars.

It depends on quality of materials and company QC (quality control). China usually doesn't do very well. Korea usually does better. But only hands and ears can judge each individual guitar.

Even CLIMATE can make a difference. Ever pick up a Squier or other Asian guitar and they feel like the fret ends are little knives? A luthier told me that's a combination of improperly seasoned woods, and high moisture (humidity) where they are built.

[jtees4]

On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 22:33:14 -0700 (PDT), lucky...@hotmail.com
wrote:

Cool. You just reposted my post from 2008...no one has ever done that
for me before. And the best part is I still agree with my 2008 post! I
now own three Korean guitars and two are GREAT, one is very good. I
think Korean guitars can be fantastic.




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On Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:05:36 AM UTC-5, R. Dean wrote:
> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?

I would NEVER BUY A GUITAR without playing it.

FWIIW all the guitars I have played from Korea are top notch .. They appear to favor quality over quantity.

[Too Long in the Wasteland]

I have 90 era samick tele blond. "Custom shop " it was a profession model they sold .. the pawn shop I picked it up had it for $75!

[j.sim...@share.epsb.ca]

I was told by an employee at Long & Mcquade that US guitars are the best. The Korean and Japanese made guitars are a step down. The Chinese are supposed to be really bad, but the guitars made in places like India are the worst!

[Flasherly]

On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 18:36:30 -0800 (PST), j.sim...@share.epsb.ca
wrote:

--
There's going to be different levels;- virtually everything is off the
Pacific Rim, since the US TeeVee industry caved in and FED Greenspan
put the footing under equitable and worldwide global capitalism, made
it happen in Marxist-dogma economies.

By levels, the caveat emptor on that almighty dollar is an onus for
either global capitalism -- the companies within what's evolved from
the Industrial Revolution standing behind a product name -- either to
shore up their Eastern facilities for acceptable products or to fold
like a shithouse.

Your a smarter kid, a product of more evolved and educated world
today, right? Well, then - that means more homework behind what's
going on in those "facilities" if you want to parley with them. Not
everything imported, obviously, can be swept under the carpet in the
esteemed opinion of USA employees at Long & Mcquade guitarworks.

In my more or less humble opinion: humbled, I suppose, when burnt by
the outhouse cinders, per force, coming off mainland Chinese
smokestacks;- less so, on the other hand, when I took back, to Home
Depot, the first Chinese toilet I bought and changed it out for my
present model, I couldn't be happier with were I a king on his throne
purveying his vast kingdom.

[Pt]

On Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:05:36 AM UTC-5, R. Dean wrote:

> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?

Today most guitars are made om CNC machines and are all good quality no matter where they are made.
Some cheaper electric guitars skimp on electronics and hardware to save money.
You can't buy a bad guitar unless it is a second.

Pt

[Flasherly]

On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 06:14:13 -0800 (PST), Pt <peat...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>You can't buy a bad guitar unless it is a second.

Bought a second in a Cordoba (Spain farmed out from one of its three
nationally-located facilities, mine being from China) - $600-$900
guitar for $200 and change. Bad...naaaghh. Not for the two bills
someone priced it at, nor the amount manual craftsmanship that went
into it;- cost me $1500, though, to eclipse it when I was ready.
Holding me back, needed to jumpstart a better instrument with faster
responses. (Few years back I'd have rather have turned myself into a
psych for spending that kind of money. Didn't think twice or even
have a second thought.)

[The_Chris]

Does the quality of the wood factor into your equasion? If we were
talking ANY acoustic instrument (guitars, violins, etc), the wood
quality would be my first concern. Electronics and hardware can - and
are usually replaced by any pro player... but wood.....

[The_Chris]

j.sim...@share.epsb.ca wrote:
> I was told by an employee at Long & Mcquade that US guitars are the best. The Korean and Japanese made guitars are a step down. The Chinese are supposed to be really bad, but the guitars made in places like India are the worst!

Well, it's silly to generalize like that. US Guitars are the best!!
Trust me, the guitars I made in my basement - in the US - were not the
best. Even between companies - they have their good stuff, and they
have their crap. Look at Marshall amaps... There's good Marshalls, then
the SS junk with all those knobs and CD inputs they sell to kids.

Having said that, I'll generalize and say that Japanese guitars (as a
whole) are fantastic. I have over a dozen. High-end Americans are good
- Gibsons - Custom Shop Peaveys - American Fenders, etc.

There's a reason that guitars are made in 3rd world countries with names
like Epiphone and Squire... It's because they can't name them what
they'd like to... and they're probably building them out of the stuff
that falls on the floor after good guitars are made :)

[Les Cargill]

The_Chris wrote:
> j.sim...@share.epsb.ca wrote:
>> I was told by an employee at Long & Mcquade that US guitars are the best. The Korean and Japanese made guitars are a step down. The Chinese are supposed to be really bad, but the guitars made in places like India are the worst!
>
> Well, it's silly to generalize like that. US Guitars are the best!!
> Trust me, the guitars I made in my basement - in the US - were not the
> best. Even between companies - they have their good stuff, and they
> have their crap. Look at Marshall amaps... There's good Marshalls, then
> the SS junk with all those knobs and CD inputs they sell to kids.
>

There are good Marshalls, and then there are DSLs...

> Having said that, I'll generalize and say that Japanese guitars (as a
> whole) are fantastic. I have over a dozen. High-end Americans are good
> - Gibsons - Custom Shop Peaveys - American Fenders, etc.
>
> There's a reason that guitars are made in 3rd world countries with names
> like Epiphone and Squire... It's because they can't name them what
> they'd like to... and they're probably building them out of the stuff
> that falls on the floor after good guitars are made :)
>

My main player is a Squier *Affinity* Tele. I went in to try the
American Standard Tele. I bought the Squier Affinity. And not
just because I am cheap. Direct quote from somebody I played with:
"That thing actually sounds like a Telecaster."

Such is the world where the GC/FMIC thing is as it is.

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

I see 'em pricing "ten top" rubbish higher. And what quality? Basswood
and alder sound better, are lighter, more resonant. I wish
they made 'em out of pine. They'd sound better.

And yeah - acoustic guitars are quite different in that way.

--
Les Cargill

[RichL]

"The_Chris" <TheC...@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m7sb52$daq$1...@dont-email.me...

Yep. Now folks might argue that for a solid-body electric, the wood doesn't
matter so much. I think it does, at least over the long term. Can you say
"neck warpage"? I'd like to see some of these relatively cheap guitars
being cranked out on CNC machines in 30-40 years.

[Tony Done]

Like Pt, IMO a CNC machine works just as well in China as it does in the
US, and that you have to look hard to find a bad guitar neck and body
these days.

While I'm very much in the "just a fancy piece of wood" school of
thought, I think there is a significant amount of variation in tone due
to solidbody timbers, but nothing like that due to the amplification
chain - pickups, stomps, amp etc - and possibly the bridge. I don't
think that timber price/rarity is related to (better or worse, however
you want to define that) tonal quality in any way at all, except as
reflected in seasoning and storing costs of that destined for necks.

I would be concerned about aging effects in cheap necks, but not bodies.

FWIW, if I was building a good bitsa, the first concern in the body
would be weight, so it would be something like Warmoth chambered alder.
I've recently begun to think that I might (based on my own guitars)
prefer mahogany to maple in necks, so that would be mahogany/r'wood

--
Tony Done

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=784456

http://www.flickr.com/photos/done_family/

[Les Cargill]

So what's the estimated life of a Rickenbacker 4001 bass before the
neck goes ( or at least one of the truss rods breaks )?

My '96 Epi Les Paul took some fretwork ( one fret was high ) but it's
been straight as an arrow since.

--
Les Cargill

[RichL]

"Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:m7sibe$d2c$1...@dont-email.me...

Dunno. My '79 4001 is in decent shape although before I bought it, it
passed through hands that would have killed a lesser bass.

>
> My '96 Epi Les Paul took some fretwork ( one fret was high ) but it's
> been straight as an arrow since.

Well, Epi wasn't who I had in mind. Presumably, many of Gibson's standards
(such as they are) apply.

[jtees4]

I just bought my first Indonesian guitar, well bass. Its a Squier
Vintage Modified short scale Jazz bass. Amazing bass, the lowest
action I have ever had on a bass and it just plays beautifully. I was
not expecting that, I really wasn't. Whatever fell on the floor must
have been good crap!!

[Nil]

Here's my experience with Asian-made guitars.

- I bought a Japanese Fender Strat in the '80s. At that time, Fender
had ceased all USA manufacturing and came up with these weird Japanese
models that had odd locking tremolo bridges and such. The hardware was
laughably bad, the finish was good, the neck was stellar. I still have
the neck, but I don't know what happened to the rest of the guitar.

- I have a Schecter PT Goldtop (basically a 2-humbucker Tele) that's
made in (I think) China. It feels a bit cheap, but it's not bad, except
for the pickups. Action is good. Very playable guitar.

- I have a Fender Japan Marcus Miller Jazz Bass. Workmanship is A-1,
looks beautiful... but I just can't bond with it. It weighs an absolute
ton, I have trouble getting a sound I like from it.

- I have a PRS SE Soapbar, made in Korea. It's supposed to be made of
"mahogany" but it doesn't look like any mahogany I'm used to seeing on
Gibsons or other guitars. Fit and finish is excellent... I like it but
don't love it. It is in most respects just like my Gibson SG Classic,
but it has none of the mojo or tone of the Gibson.

- I own a Guild GAD dreadnought-style acoustic 12-string, made in
Japan. It's very nice looking, sounds wonderful. It has had structural
problems with the bracing coming apart causing the bridge to lift and
top to belly out. I've had it fixed and I still love the guitar, but it
shouldn't have happened in the first place.

- I've owned a made-in-Japan Yamaha SG2000 since the early 1980. It's a
very fine instrument, on par with most USA Gibsons.

I don't think you can draw many sweeping conclusions about quality vs.
point of origin. Japan does make some world-class guitars, but also
some junk. China makes lots of perfectly competent instruments. There's
good and bad stuff coming out of all those countries, but the average
quality is surprisingly high. You have to take it case-by-case.i

[notbob]

On 2014-12-30, jtees4 <jte...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I just bought my first Indonesian guitar, well bass. Its a Squier
> Vintage Modified short scale Jazz bass. Amazing bass, the lowest
> action I have ever had on a bass and it just plays beautifully. I was
> not expecting that, I really wasn't. Whatever fell on the floor must
> have been good crap!!

Not heard of that model, but yes, I agree Fender makes basses other
than the famous P-bass. I've never liked the P-bass. Won't play 'em,
won't buy 'em. Neck is too long. And I came from a bass viola
background!

Last Fender bass I liked was one that got shoved into my mitts at a
jam session. Blonde. Tele bass? Mustang bass? This in about the
mid-70s. Not sure what it was, but I loved it. Looked Telish. ;)

nb

[LULU]

On Monday, December 29, 2014 5:00:17 PM UTC-7, jtees4 wrote:

> I just bought my first Indonesian guitar, well bass. Its a Squier
> Vintage Modified short scale Jazz bass. Amazing bass, the lowest
> action I have ever had on a bass and it just plays beautifully. I was
> not expecting that, I really wasn't. Whatever fell on the floor must
> have been good crap!!

================================

I almost bought one of those last week, just to see what they were like. The price looks right. I own a couple Indonesian "Fender" guitars that I mostly use to test pickups and play obnoxious Punk covers and occasionally paddle my canoe if the water rises. I like them overall except for the tuners. Not easy to replace with after-market tuners that will fit a USA or Mexi-Fender because of the "reverse slant" screw pattern. The holes are "backwards" and need to be filled unless you're into the "termite" look. Glad to hear that you're liking your new bass!

Lulu : )

==============================

[The_Chris]

Tony Done <tony...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> Like Pt, IMO a CNC machine works just as well in China as it does in the
> US, and that you have to look hard to find a bad guitar neck and body
> these days.
>
> While I'm very much in the "just a fancy piece of wood" school of
> thought, I think there is a significant amount of variation in tone due
> to solidbody timbers, but nothing like that due to the amplification
> chain - pickups, stomps, amp etc - and possibly the bridge. I don't
> think that timber price/rarity is related to (better or worse, however
> you want to define that) tonal quality in any way at all, except as
> reflected in seasoning and storing costs of that destined for necks.
>
> I would be concerned about aging effects in cheap necks, but not bodies.
>
> FWIW, if I was building a good bitsa, the first concern in the body
> would be weight, so it would be something like Warmoth chambered alder.
> I've recently begun to think that I might (based on my own guitars)
> prefer mahogany to maple in necks, so that would be mahogany/r'wood
>

You know Tony, I'm inclined to agree with you... for the most part, wood
IS wood. I think that I'm seeing a lot of guitars not made out of solid
woods - they're made of sawdust that's glued together. This is nothing
new. When I worked for Remo Drums in the late 80's, the drum kits they
were making were epoxy-sealed 'wood' - but - it was not solid wood. My
friend has some acoustic guitar - not one that you would thing was
cheap... But one night he snapped the neck, and when he took it in to be
repaired, the guy literally said 'this guitar is made out of the stuff
that lands on the floor when they're making guitars' - that's where I
got the quote. So.... my immediate thought is that these places in
Korea and Indonesia are not even using wood any more.

That's MY concern.... Everything you say is correct though.

[The_Chris]

Nil <redn...@removethiscomcast.net> wrote:
>
> Here's my experience with Asian-made guitars.
>

clip.

I think I mentioned it in this thread.. if not.... I think Japanese
guitars are as good as it gets.. At least in the late 70's/80's - they
have a work/quality ethic that always worked well for them. My Japanese
guitars are my prized possessions.

It's the OTHER places I don't care for.

[Nil]

On 30 Dec 2014, "The_Chris" <TheC...@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in
alt.guitar:

> I think I mentioned it in this thread.. if not.... I think
> Japanese guitars are as good as it gets.. At least in the late
> 70's/80's - they have a work/quality ethic that always worked well
> for them. My Japanese guitars are my prized possessions.
>
> It's the OTHER places I don't care for.

The four Japanese guitars I own/have owned have been impeccably well-
made things. But for some reason, none of them have felt or sounded
quite as good as their American counterparts. I don't necessarily draw
any real conclusion from that - it's probably just my own experience
with the particular instruments I've acquired - but there it is.

[Lee Waun]

"Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote in message

news:m7se9r$ra3$1...@dont-email.me...

>
> There are good Marshalls, and then there are DSLs...

Ouch!!!!

The only Marshall I have ever owned for longer than 3 days is my DSL. Unlike
a number of their other models that didn't last the 3 day trial period I
give for new amps.

To be honest I am getting in a new Vox amp and confess I have decided if I
had to get rid of an amp it would be the DSL.

The Vox and the Fender super champ are staying.

Don't know why but when it comes to overdriving an amp Vox is my favourite
sound. Love the Fender for the clean tone but I also love the chimey cleans
of Vox's. I have to admit I think Vox is my favourite sound.

Marshall is a distant 3rd for me.

I have really tried to love the sounds of Marshall's with my Gibson's but I
always end up prefering the Vox AC15/30's more. Especially the AC15
overdriven.

> --
> Les Cargill

[Flasherly]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 20:54:42 -0800, "Lee Waun" <lee...@telus.net>
wrote:

>Don't know why but when it comes to overdriving an amp Vox is my favourite
>sound. Love the Fender for the clean tone but I also love the chimey cleans
>of Vox's. I have to admit I think Vox is my favourite sound.

Fender Super-Sonic 22 22W comes on strong, too, for an added dimension
Fender's engineers are noting among trends -- a "Burn Switch"
(Soldano, Mesa and boutique amp shred);- classic overdrives (Fat
Switch) and traditional Fender cleans. Twice the price of a Vox, more
in line with louder Peavey Classic 30/50 price-positioning - but, hey
- at least it's there and apparently well received;- shame to subtract
one less semi-affordable sound if Fender hadn't at all tried. Just
saying, I already found my peachy HotRod for half the price of an AC15
off stock from a musicstore venture that went belly up a year after
they opened. Way cool and way efficient considering my other amps are
beefier, deep-bass 4x6L6s.

Then, again, I can play so clean, that when a decent tube drive comes
up inadvertently on top those bell-chime cleans, (say the HotRod's
been on 2, 3 hours and an amp's tones change, as they're known to do,
for a touch more "hair-of-dog grit"), it's sometimes scary when stuff
I'm playing starts sounding vaguely contemporary and leisurely
comfortable. Nice, doggy...<pat, pat, pat>.

[Les Cargill]

Lee Waun wrote:
>
>
> "Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote in message
> news:m7se9r$ra3$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> There are good Marshalls, and then there are DSLs...
>
> Ouch!!!!
>
> The only Marshall I have ever owned for longer than 3 days is my DSL.
> Unlike a number of their other models that didn't last the 3 day trial
> period I give for new amps.
>

Dunno what it is about 'em, but DSL have never worked for me. It's
like the controls are unstable.

> To be honest I am getting in a new Vox amp and confess I have decided if
> I had to get rid of an amp it would be the DSL.
>
> The Vox and the Fender super champ are staying.
>
> Don't know why but when it comes to overdriving an amp Vox is my
> favourite sound. Love the Fender for the clean tone but I also love the
> chimey cleans of Vox's. I have to admit I think Vox is my favourite sound.
>
> Marshall is a distant 3rd for me.
>
> I have really tried to love the sounds of Marshall's with my Gibson's
> but I always end up prefering the Vox AC15/30's more. Especially the
> AC15 overdriven.
>

I just don't know anything about Voxen. I am still using a GT-500 into
a Blues Deluxe.

>> --
>> Les Cargill
>

--
Les Cargill

[esha...@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:05:36 AM UTC-5, R. Dean wrote:
> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?

I have a Korean Fender custom shop FMT HH tele (Fender Les Paul sort of). Superb. ed s.

[notbob]

On 2014-12-31, The_Chris <TheC...@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:

> I think I mentioned it in this thread.. if not.... I think Japanese
> guitars are as good as it gets.. At least in the late 70's/80's - they
> have a work/quality ethic that always worked well for them. My Japanese
> guitars are my prized possessions.

Agree!

Two of my 3 guitars are Japanese --an Aria Pro II (Matsumoku) and a Yammy
acoustic-- and both are ancient, excellently made, and sound great.
I sold off my 80s 3 bolt Strat in order to keep my Aria.

One Asian guitar company I won't deal with is Takamine. I once turned
down buying a used Takamine Limited Edition acoustic for $300 cuz it was a
freakin' lump! Heavy woods, no sustain, dead tone, etc. Haven't liked
'em since. ;)

nb

[Mark Myszak]

On Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:05:36 PM UTC-4, R. Dean wrote:
> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
> guitars made in other Asian countries?

You can register to win a guitar from Journeyman Guitars at http://WinANewGuitar.com

If you look at the new gibsons you will find they are made in China.....

[Les Cargill]

A lot of Taks are optimized for stage use with a peizo.

--
Les Cargill

[notbob]

On 2014-12-31, Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:

> A lot of Taks are optimized for stage use with a peizo.

This musta been one, as it had p-pup. Still, it sucked.

nb

[Lee Waun]

"Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote in message

news:m81cjg$hsq$1...@dont-email.me...

> Lee Waun wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote in message
>> news:m7se9r$ra3$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> There are good Marshalls, and then there are DSLs...
>>
>> Ouch!!!!
>>
>> The only Marshall I have ever owned for longer than 3 days is my DSL.
>> Unlike a number of their other models that didn't last the 3 day trial
>> period I give for new amps.
>>
>
> Dunno what it is about 'em, but DSL have never worked for me. It's
> like the controls are unstable.

Well try not to laugh too loud but after thinking about it real hard I have
just boxed up the DSL and trading it in on the new Vox. Really I have tried
really hard but I just love the Vox and try as hard as I do I just don't
love the DSL enough to want to keep it so this trade in will pay off the new
amp. The Vox just arrived today so new years eve will have a project after
all.

>
>> To be honest I am getting in a new Vox amp and confess I have decided if
>> I had to get rid of an amp it would be the DSL.

.
>>
>
> I just don't know anything about Voxen. I am still using a GT-500 into
> a Blues Deluxe.
>

I like most Fender amps including that one.

[Lee Waun]

"Mark Myszak" <mys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ae1bd30c-e32a-4b40...@googlegroups.com...

No they are not. All Gibsons are made in America. Epiphones are made in
china.

[Nil]

On 31 Dec 2014, Mark Myszak <mys...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.guitar:

> If you look at the new gibsons you will find they are made in
> China.....

I don't know where you got that idea, but you're wrong wrong wrong.

[Mike Hartigan]

In article <ae1bd30c-e32a-4b40...@googlegroups.com>,
mys...@gmail.com says...

you mean like this brand new J200 for $209 with free shipping? ;)

http://tinyurl.com/k3g8sfc

[Lee Waun]

"Mike Hartigan" <mi...@hartigan.com> wrote in message

> you mean like this brand new J200 for $209 with free shipping? ;)
>
> http://tinyurl.com/k3g8sfc
>
>

That is a Lowes J200, not a Gibson.

[Mike Hartigan]

In article <m828qr$ik2$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, lee...@telus.net says...

The 'Gibson' logo on the headstock is plain as day (usually obscured in
these listings).

What's a Lowes J200?

[ChasedByPoodles]

Sure wish I still had my little Vox 15 watter that I owned
way back during most of the 70s. I ran nothing but my late
60s gold top LP through it most times, along with a Wah
and a small handful of select pedals at certain times.
And man o man, I haven't been able to match the level of
deep satisfaction in a simple guitar tone that I experienced
with that battery in any setup since. And volume? Brotha!
Both were stolen from me one cruel evening by some evil
knuckle-draggin mouth-breather that I hope has since suffered
an early and painful demise. I still search hi & low for them online,
but likely nobody wants to sell, their merit and synergy is so high.
Robbed

[Nil]

On 31 Dec 2014, Mike Hartigan <mi...@hartigan.com> wrote in
alt.guitar:

> you mean like this brand new J200 for $209 with free shipping? ;)
>
> http://tinyurl.com/k3g8sfc

Is that a Gibsin or a Gobson?

[The_Chris]

notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> Agree!
>
> Two of my 3 guitars are Japanese --an Aria Pro II (Matsumoku) and a Yammy
> acoustic-- and both are ancient, excellently made, and sound great.
> I sold off my 80s 3 bolt Strat in order to keep my Aria.
>
> One Asian guitar company I won't deal with is Takamine. I once turned
> down buying a used Takamine Limited Edition acoustic for $300 cuz it was a
> freakin' lump! Heavy woods, no sustain, dead tone, etc. Haven't liked
> 'em since. ;)
>
> nb

I had an Aria Pro II Urchin... I sold that because of it's ridiculous
shape :)

[notbob]

On 2015-01-01, The_Chris <TheC...@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:

> I had an Aria Pro II Urchin... I sold that because of it's ridiculous
> shape :)

Yep. Butt ugly!

Yes, those Japanese companies do get a bit nutsy, at times. Mine is
yer basic don't-step-on-Fender's-strat-design, but with all the
goodies others made on that design. Like locking nut, F. Rose
knock-off trem (very good!). I kept it cuz it had a better neck
(personal opinion) and better trem hardware (even though I got it with
the classic 3-spring mod already done).

I'd still like another strat or a tele. We'll see. ;)

nb

[stratrat]

On 12/27/2014 09:36 PM, j.sim...@share.epsb.ca wrote:
> I was told by an employee at Long & Mcquade that US guitars are the
> best. The Korean and Japanese made guitars are a step down. The
> Chinese are supposed to be really bad, but the guitars made in places
> like India are the worst!

Couple years back I relit my guitar life by buying a Dot-On-Shaft hollow
electric. A great canadian success story not, the worst piece of shit
I've ever seen in y life! Then I took home a strat american-special,
followed by an EPI-LP-Prophesy. Both are good but the strat blows the
doors off the EPI. At my dealer I laid my paws on a Gibson LP Tradition
for half an hour, it sounded and felt like a million bucks, I have no
idea why, I'm no luthier.

[Lee Waun]

"Mike Hartigan" <mi...@hartigan.com> wrote in message

news:MPG.2f0e65abe...@free.teranews.com...

No they are hidden because no where are you ever going to buy a real Gibson
for 200 dollars brand new.

>
> What's a Lowes J200?

No Gibson anything is made in Asia. You can rant all you want about it but
if it says Gibson on the headstock and it says made in China it is a fake.

You can rant all you want about it but that doesn't change the facts. If you
don't believe it contact Gibson yourself and ask them what models Gibson
makes in China.

The answer is none.

Epiphone is made in china and is owned by Gibson but they are not Gibsons.

[Lee Waun]

"ChasedByPoodles" <Gr...@the.moon> wrote in message
news:m82fa3$ppc$1...@dont-email.me...

Sorry about your loss. Hope you get some satisfaction over it.

I still can't believe how such a simple small amp can sound so good clean
or overdriven. A lot of amps I have bought only sound good one or the other.
This amp sounds good clean or dirty. Just add a reverb pedal and chorus and
I am in heaven.

[Lee Waun]

"Nil" <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA414F33F...@wheedledeedle.moc...

The one thing we know for sure it at $200 is certainly isn't a Gibson.

[Mike Hartigan]

In article <m846db$o93$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, lee...@telus.net says...

>
> "Mike Hartigan" <mi...@hartigan.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2f0e65abe...@free.teranews.com...
> > In article <m828qr$ik2$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, lee...@telus.net says...
> >>
> >> "Mike Hartigan" <mi...@hartigan.com> wrote in message
> >> > you mean like this brand new J200 for $209 with free shipping? ;)
> >> >
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/k3g8sfc
> >> >
> >> >
> >> That is a Lowes J200, not a Gibson.
> >
> > The 'Gibson' logo on the headstock is plain as day (usually obscured in
> > these listings).
>
> No they are hidden because no where are you ever going to buy a real Gibson
> for 200 dollars brand new.
> >
> > What's a Lowes J200?
>
> No Gibson anything is made in Asia. You can rant all you want about it but
> if it says Gibson on the headstock and it says made in China it is a fake.
>
> You can rant all you want about it but that doesn't change the facts. If you
> don't believe it contact Gibson yourself and ask them what models Gibson
> makes in China.
>
> The answer is none.
>
> Epiphone is made in china and is owned by Gibson but they are not Gibsons.

I'm aware of all this (evidently, you missed the winkie in my original
post). Sorry if that came across as a rant. In the case of the link I
provided, the Gibson logo was not obscured, which I found interesting.

I was just wondering what you meant by 'Lowes J200'.

[Lee Waun]

"Mike Hartigan" <mi...@hartigan.com> wrote in message

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Sorry if I went off the deep end but I know from past experience you can't
buy a Chinese made les Paul and find it is equal or better than a Gibson USA
Les Paul.

As for what is lowes j200 it says on the web page Lowes j200 so I just
stated that. Frankly I don't know what it is and I don't buy or play Gibson
acoustics. I play Canadian built Simon & Patrick's.



>

[Flasherly]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:35:51 -0600, ChasedByPoodles <Gr...@the.moon>
wrote:

>Both were stolen from me one cruel evening by some evil
>knuckle-draggin mouth-breather that I hope has since suffered
>an early and painful demise. I still search hi & low for them online,
>but likely nobody wants to sell, their merit and synergy is so high.
>Robbed

They've also, heard tell and early ones, a rep for starting more fires
than a dog could lift a leg over, if redhats were firmly planted in
front of every house in its neighborhood on the night it rained cats.
Though the new ones do, still, stand pretty high for engineering and
reception.

If it helps, I did find yours on ebay;- it was listed for $6 , 0-0-0
US.: )

(Original PTP-wiring is like that, known to happen, and comes with the
territory regardless the name.)

[ChasedByPoodles]

On 1/2/2015 12:25 AM, Flasherly wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:35:51 -0600, ChasedByPoodles <Gr...@the.moon>
> wrote:
>
>> Both were stolen from me one cruel evening by some evil
>> knuckle-draggin mouth-breather that I hope has since suffered
>> an early and painful demise. I still search hi & low for them online,
>> but likely nobody wants to sell, their merit and synergy is so high.
>> Robbed
>
> They've also, heard tell and early ones, a rep for starting more fires
> than a dog could lift a leg over, if redhats were firmly planted in
> front of every house in its neighborhood on the night it rained cats.
> Though the new ones do, still, stand pretty high for engineering and
> reception.
>

Well I'm glad you cleared that up.

> If it helps, I did find yours on ebay;- it was listed for $6 , 0-0-0
> US.: )

And worth every penny..

>
> (Original PTP-wiring is like that, known to happen, and comes with the
> territory regardless the name.)
>

Oh you're a member of Pervert-to-Pervert? I've always
admired their stance on the Snail Darter. What are we
doing to our planet???!
Ruff

[Flasherly]

On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 01:24:27 -0600, ChasedByPoodles <Gr...@the.moon>
wrote:

>> If it helps, I did find yours on ebay;- it was listed for $6 , 0-0-0
>> US.: )
>And worth every penny..
>>
>> (Original PTP-wiring is like that, known to happen, and comes with the
>> territory regardless the name.)
>>
>Oh you're a member of Pervert-to-Pervert? I've always
>admired their stance on the Snail Darter. What are we
>doing to our planet???!
>Ruff

It was an obscenity* then only partially engaged by your model of VOX
-- in PTP (point-to-point) wiring -- I'd as soon identify for the
Golden Age of MOJO, over any allegiancy to $6000 values, however
valid.

I've only been burnt, and marginally if that, once out of four times
with tube amps;- the other three, a) a cloned Fender Bassman cost
$200, b) a recent JCM800 Marshal clone for $200, and c), an almost-new
Fender Hotrod at a depressed sale of $300. They're all fine for modern
approximations, degrees of MOJO.

That I come later, hadn't means or any claim earlier to that class of
instrument, such as it is, is why I'm here. Enough, as it is. As much
as I personally weight amp sounds for "clean work," too, nonetheless
tubes do provide me a certain "warmer and fuzzy" sense of inexplicable
MOJO (over any SS power-stage design I've yet to try).

("1960's era Vox amps were hand wired on tag strips. The connecting
lead (or wire) from each electronic part was manually wrapped around a
terminal, or "tag," and then soldered. This mode of amp construction
is very labor-intensive and the workmanship and accuracy of the
employee building the amp will affect the performance of the product.
It was for this reason that most electronics manufacturers
transitioned to phenolic printed circuit boards by 1970.")

[RichL]

"Flasherly" <Flas...@live.com> wrote in message
news:0jscaathpl2jc88lp...@4ax.com...

> ("1960's era Vox amps were hand wired on tag strips. The connecting
> lead (or wire) from each electronic part was manually wrapped around a
> terminal, or "tag," and then soldered. This mode of amp construction
> is very labor-intensive and the workmanship and accuracy of the
> employee building the amp will affect the performance of the product.
> It was for this reason that most electronics manufacturers
> transitioned to phenolic printed circuit boards by 1970.")

Horse poops. The industry transitioned to PCBs to save money, period, ease
of repair be damned.

[Flasherly]

On Fri, 2 Jan 2015 10:28:46 -0500, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Horse poops. The industry transitioned to PCBs to save money, period, ease
>of repair be damned.

Recall also a Wiki metatag on that particular quote, [4], perhaps a
another standard for Wiki: "citation needed";- anyway, it's under
Vox's/the AC15 history - just before being sold to KORG, or some such,
about 1980 -- when the whole industry, including [solid-body] guitars,
made some dramatic, major shifts.

Right. To drive down end costs, actively engage fewer niches and
enclaves of boutique pricing for [p-t-p wired, quality] amps, then to
widen upon that desirability as a greater market through the proviso
of technological advancements [capitalized upon from foreign grounds],
with standardization as a modus to appeal at at least some expectation
a product will retain reasonable subsequent wear/longevity.

The AC15 is just and spin off that -- "The Reissue," Vox has
'generously decided to honor for the spirit it was once accepted,'
blah/blah &etc. And, it appears to have done damn good for the
venture, although I'd doubt beyond passing rights, (sic) the
copyrights, there's less sentimental spirit for Vox's forefathers in
these new crop of engineers. Just saying, time marches on over a lot
of what never made much more of a molehill, (the "now" for the Lost
Art of MOJO), beside historical milestones.

So. What else is new since America stopped producing its own
televisions in the early 1980's?

[ChasedByPoodles]

On 1/2/2015 5:47 AM, Flasherly wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 01:24:27 -0600, ChasedByPoodles <Gr...@the.moon>
> wrote:
>
>>> If it helps, I did find yours on ebay;- it was listed for $6 , 0-0-0
>>> US.: )

>> And worth every penny..

> It was an obscenity* then only partially engaged by your model of VOX
> -- in PTP (point-to-point) wiring -- I'd as soon identify for the
> Golden Age of MOJO, over any allegiancy to $6000 values, however
> valid.
>

Obscenity to one man, irresistible to another. I assume you
are referring to just my Les Paul guitar, and not with it's Vox
spokesman & sidekick included, for the 6k, But it wouldn't matter.
I would gladly overpay for my axe.. I would also eagerly overpay for
my Vox's return. There are sentimental and financial reasons why I would
overpay for these two old friends. I'm retired, and in safe long-term
financial shape, so I would very much prefer to have us three old friends
back together than seeing an extra 6k on occasional financial statements.
Art

[Les Cargill]

Not completely true, I'm afraid. PCBs were just considered more
high tech at one point. One thing they were sold on is reliability.
The MI business only went retrograde about the time SRV started being
the big thing.

It turned out that PtoP wiring was a modest win in maintainability but
I doubt anybody ( beside people who actually had to think about cartage
and logistics ) thought about that much before, say, 1980. During the
1980s, there were a few Twins and Supers, but people used a lot of Lab
Series, Peavey Bandits and even Acoustic Control stuff. I dunno who in
the entire state of Oklahoma even had a Marshall dealership - pretty
sure you had to go to Dallas. You couldn't get a Boogie outside
of mailorder so this guy in Duncan had a small business "Boogieing"
Fender amps.

Part of that was the retail channel; Fender had lots of constraints on
who could be a retailer ( and the only people I saw who had new Fender
for sale were legacy retailers who had gotten into Fender in the early
1960s ) where Peavey would set anybody up.

And now people sell $1500 5F1 Champs.

I've had two cheap PCB fender amps, and on both of them, the input jacks
were really the thing that went wrong. The Super Champ XD has
an IDC cable that I'm waiting on parts for. That's not a PCB failure.
The amp is clearly just not designed for anything above bedroom use.
If they IDC cable turns out to be the fix, I'll wire-wrap and solder
that connection. IDC connectors? In a guitar amp? WTF?

Remember the Zenith TVs with "the works is a drawer"? That was an
actual marketing thing in the 1970s. I had a small shedload
of t00b point to point gear in the 1970s; it was bought at
thrift stores because everybody was buying PCB stuff. You couldn't give
a Bandmaster away then. Not that I had any Fender then.

As Silicon Valley went into opamps into the consumer market, this
was just how you did things. It was *more expensive*
at one point, even though SiVa was cutting prices.

Even then, 1980s SS amps were largely power MOSFETs with opamps for
small signal.

--
Les Cargill

[RichL]

"Flasherly" <Flas...@live.com> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 2 Jan 2015 10:28:46 -0500, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Horse poops. The industry transitioned to PCBs to save money, period,
>>ease
>>of repair be damned.
>
> Recall also a Wiki metatag on that particular quote, [4], perhaps a
> another standard for Wiki: "citation needed";- anyway, it's under
> Vox's/the AC15 history - just before being sold to KORG, or some such,
> about 1980 -- when the whole industry, including [solid-body] guitars,
> made some dramatic, major shifts.

I checked Wiki before I wrote the previous post. The link on Wiki is to a
company blurb (actually to a blurb from North Coast Music, which represents
Vox). Typical marketing hype.

[RichL]

"Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote in message

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> RichL wrote:
>> "Flasherly" <Flas...@live.com> wrote in message
>> news:0jscaathpl2jc88lp...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> ("1960's era Vox amps were hand wired on tag strips. The connecting
>>> lead (or wire) from each electronic part was manually wrapped around a
>>> terminal, or "tag," and then soldered. This mode of amp construction
>>> is very labor-intensive and the workmanship and accuracy of the
>>> employee building the amp will affect the performance of the product.
>>> It was for this reason that most electronics manufacturers
>>> transitioned to phenolic printed circuit boards by 1970.")
>>
>> Horse poops. The industry transitioned to PCBs to save money, period,
>> ease of repair be damned.
>
> Not completely true, I'm afraid. PCBs were just considered more
> high tech at one point. One thing they were sold on is reliability.
> The MI business only went retrograde about the time SRV started being the
> big thing.

"The industry" includes radios, TVs, etc. for which the transition made a
hell of a lot more sense than for guitar amps. For all of the above, PCBs
saved a boatload of money. A friend of my dad's started a PCB business in
the 60s. I remember he had a sales demo that he pitched to funders which
basically compared the labor in fabricating a P2P circuit with that in PCB.
It was a no-brainer, cost-wise. That wasn't the only driver; clearly, "it's
the latest new thing" played a central role. And reliability-wise, it made
sense for consumer-grade products because they weren't usually used in a
hostile environment. Guitar amps, not so much.

>
> It turned out that PtoP wiring was a modest win in maintainability but
> I doubt anybody ( beside people who actually had to think about cartage
> and logistics ) thought about that much before, say, 1980. During the
> 1980s, there were a few Twins and Supers, but people used a lot of Lab
> Series, Peavey Bandits and even Acoustic Control stuff. I dunno who in
> the entire state of Oklahoma even had a Marshall dealership - pretty
> sure you had to go to Dallas. You couldn't get a Boogie outside
> of mailorder so this guy in Duncan had a small business "Boogieing"
> Fender amps.
>
> Part of that was the retail channel; Fender had lots of constraints on who
> could be a retailer ( and the only people I saw who had new Fender
> for sale were legacy retailers who had gotten into Fender in the early
> 1960s ) where Peavey would set anybody up.
>
> And now people sell $1500 5F1 Champs.
>
> I've had two cheap PCB fender amps, and on both of them, the input jacks
> were really the thing that went wrong. The Super Champ XD has
> an IDC cable that I'm waiting on parts for. That's not a PCB failure.
> The amp is clearly just not designed for anything above bedroom use.
> If they IDC cable turns out to be the fix, I'll wire-wrap and solder that
> connection. IDC connectors? In a guitar amp? WTF?

Not sure what the configuration of PCB Fender Amps is, but in many PCB amps
those jacks are mounted directly to the PCB. That's a classic Marshall
failure mechanism. Jim Anable who used to post here clued me in on this
when I was in the market for a Marshall, and the key was to get one in which
the input jacks are arranged vertically. Those aren't mounted to the board.
The issue is that high-power amps are subjected to tons of internal
vibration (which TVs and radios aren't), and if the PCB vibrates differently
from the front panel, an input jack mounted to the PCB is highly susceptible
to failure.

Needless to say, I got an 800 2204 with the vertical jack arrangement :-)

[Flasherly]

On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 13:50:54 -0600, Les Cargill
<lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:

>It turned out that PtoP wiring was a modest win in maintainability but
>I doubt anybody ( beside people who actually had to think about cartage
>and logistics ) thought about that much before, say, 1980. During the
>1980s, there were a few Twins and Supers, but people used a lot of Lab
>Series, Peavey Bandits and even Acoustic Control stuff. I dunno who in
>the entire state of Oklahoma even had a Marshall dealership - pretty
>sure you had to go to Dallas. You couldn't get a Boogie outside
>of mailorder so this guy in Duncan had a small business "Boogieing"
>Fender amps.

Wow. For me, it's like thinking into that, the Dark Ages, with my
limited interests and impression of amps back then. The stereotypical
Village Idiot, eyp, when I thought I was "doing something" by buying
an AMPEG 400watt bass amp - for my very first "guitar amp."

Had a SUNN SS amp briefly after, an insulated non-impressionable
experience, aside from it breaking -- and wasn't until first inroads
from Pacific Rim, as affordable "PCB Reissue -Tubed- models" came
along in the 90's -I was still pretty poor then- hit the main market,
that I sensed it was finally happening, bought one to begin refining
what's become a better base for an active interest in at least "better
sounding" amps. Affordable, too.

[nm...@wt.net]

On Friday, January 2, 2015 1:48:46 PM UTC-6, Les Cargill wrote:

> Remember the Zenith TVs with "the works is a drawer"?

Motorola Quasar

[Les Cargill]

Yep - sure was.

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

RichL wrote:
> "Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote in message
> news:m86sm4$adm$1...@dont-email.me...
>> RichL wrote:
>>> "Flasherly" <Flas...@live.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0jscaathpl2jc88lp...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> ("1960's era Vox amps were hand wired on tag strips. The connecting
>>>> lead (or wire) from each electronic part was manually wrapped around a
>>>> terminal, or "tag," and then soldered. This mode of amp construction
>>>> is very labor-intensive and the workmanship and accuracy of the
>>>> employee building the amp will affect the performance of the product.
>>>> It was for this reason that most electronics manufacturers
>>>> transitioned to phenolic printed circuit boards by 1970.")
>>>
>>> Horse poops. The industry transitioned to PCBs to save money, period,
>>> ease of repair be damned.
>>
>> Not completely true, I'm afraid. PCBs were just considered more
>> high tech at one point. One thing they were sold on is reliability.
>> The MI business only went retrograde about the time SRV started being
>> the big thing.
>
> "The industry" includes radios, TVs, etc. for which the transition made
> a hell of a lot more sense than for guitar amps.

First one, then the other. A 1982 Twin was still PtoP. It was also quite
a bit of money compared to a lot of other stuff.

> For all of the above,
> PCBs saved a boatload of money. A friend of my dad's started a PCB
> business in the 60s. I remember he had a sales demo that he pitched to
> funders which basically compared the labor in fabricating a P2P circuit
> with that in PCB. It was a no-brainer, cost-wise.

But MI != consumer electronics. At least between 1980 and 1990, they
diverged considerably.

> That wasn't the only
> driver; clearly, "it's the latest new thing" played a central role. And
> reliability-wise, it made sense for consumer-grade products because they
> weren't usually used in a hostile environment. Guitar amps, not so much.

I will bet most Lab Series amps ever made are still in service.

>>
>> It turned out that PtoP wiring was a modest win in maintainability but
>> I doubt anybody ( beside people who actually had to think about cartage
>> and logistics ) thought about that much before, say, 1980. During the
>> 1980s, there were a few Twins and Supers, but people used a lot of Lab
>> Series, Peavey Bandits and even Acoustic Control stuff. I dunno who in
>> the entire state of Oklahoma even had a Marshall dealership - pretty
>> sure you had to go to Dallas. You couldn't get a Boogie outside
>> of mailorder so this guy in Duncan had a small business "Boogieing"
>> Fender amps.
>>
>> Part of that was the retail channel; Fender had lots of constraints on
>> who could be a retailer ( and the only people I saw who had new Fender
>> for sale were legacy retailers who had gotten into Fender in the early
>> 1960s ) where Peavey would set anybody up.
>>
>> And now people sell $1500 5F1 Champs.
>>
>> I've had two cheap PCB fender amps, and on both of them, the input
>> jacks were really the thing that went wrong. The Super Champ XD has
>> an IDC cable that I'm waiting on parts for. That's not a PCB failure.
>> The amp is clearly just not designed for anything above bedroom use.
>> If they IDC cable turns out to be the fix, I'll wire-wrap and solder
>> that connection. IDC connectors? In a guitar amp? WTF?
>
> Not sure what the configuration of PCB Fender Amps is, but in many PCB
> amps those jacks are mounted directly to the PCB.

Yep. There's a big rectangular via per conductor.
Not hard to solder to at all.

> That's a classic
> Marshall failure mechanism. Jim Anable who used to post here clued me
> in on this when I was in the market for a Marshall, and the key was to
> get one in which the input jacks are arranged vertically. Those aren't
> mounted to the board. The issue is that high-power amps are subjected to
> tons of internal vibration (which TVs and radios aren't), and if the PCB
> vibrates differently from the front panel, an input jack mounted to the
> PCB is highly susceptible to failure.
>

Panel jacks to the PCB is a particularly braindead design feature.

I've seen plenty of stage setups where the electronics were
mechanically isolated from the cabinets.

> Needless to say, I got an 800 2204 with the vertical jack arrangement :-)

--
Les Cargill

[Pudentame]

On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 18:36:30 -0800 (PST), j.sim...@share.epsb.ca

wrote:

>I was told by an employee at Long & Mcquade that US guitars are the best.
>The Korean and Japanese made guitars are a step down. The Chinese are
>supposed to be really bad, but the guitars made in places like India
>are the worst!

I dunno. Seems like it's the same as everything else, no matter where
you go there's good stuff & there's crap. The good stuff from Korea &
Japan is going to cost as much as the good stuff made here in the USA.

Made in the USA crap OTOH, will cost you more than imported crap.

I haven't even seen guitars made in India. I don't think they export
many guitars to the US ... unless you mean Indonesia?

In that case, see above about the good stuff from Korea & Japan.

Fender does have their cheapest Squire guitars manufactured in
Indonesia, and the fit & finish on those is not especially good.

But I've seen other not so cheap Fender Squires from Indonesia with
better quality fit & finish.

Bottom line ... You don't always get what you pay for. At the lowest
price point it's almost always going to be crap.

But, as you move up the price scale, you've got a better chance of
getting quality for your money. Until some point where increased price
does not equate with increased "bang for the buck".

It's some kind of bell curve.

[Pudentame]

On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:47:46 +0000 (UTC), "The_Chris"
<TheC...@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:

>Pt <peat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:05:36 AM UTC-5, R. Dean wrote:
>>> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
>>> guitars made in other Asian countries?
>>
>> Today most guitars are made om CNC machines and are all good quality no matter where they are made.
>> Some cheaper electric guitars skimp on electronics and hardware to save money.
>> You can't buy a bad guitar unless it is a second.
>>
>> Pt
>
>Does the quality of the wood factor into your equasion? If we were
>talking ANY acoustic instrument (guitars, violins, etc), the wood
>quality would be my first concern. Electronics and hardware can - and
>are usually replaced by any pro player... but wood.....

You can find made in Indonesia [Fender] Squier Affinity Strats for
less than $150 USD (significantly less). The wood is Ok; the
electronics semi-Ok ... and as noted are easily replaced anyway.

But the fit & finish really SUX. I'm talking about the frets. Jagged
edges, not dressed in any way, sticking out from the edge of the
fretboard just waiting to slice the hands of the unwary.

Every one I checked had 42 little jagged razor blades hanging out like
that.

And it doesn't need to be that way, because OTHER, higher priced
[Fender] Squier guitars DID have the fret edges dressed.

[Pudentame]

On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:52:53 -0600, Les Cargill
<lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:

>RichL wrote:
>> "The_Chris" <TheC...@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:m7sb52$daq$1...@dont-email.me...

>>> Pt <peat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:05:36 AM UTC-5, R. Dean wrote:
>>>>> I see many guitars made in Korea on eBay. How do they compare with
>>>>> guitars made in other Asian countries?
>>>>
>>>> Today most guitars are made om CNC machines and are all good quality
>>>> no matter where they are made.
>>>> Some cheaper electric guitars skimp on electronics and hardware to
>>>> save money.
>>>> You can't buy a bad guitar unless it is a second.
>>>>
>>>> Pt
>>>
>>> Does the quality of the wood factor into your equasion? If we were
>>> talking ANY acoustic instrument (guitars, violins, etc), the wood
>>> quality would be my first concern. Electronics and hardware can - and
>>> are usually replaced by any pro player... but wood.....
>>

>> Yep. Now folks might argue that for a solid-body electric, the wood
>> doesn't matter so much. I think it does, at least over the long term.
>> Can you say "neck warpage"? I'd like to see some of these relatively
>> cheap guitars being cranked out on CNC machines in 30-40 years.
>
>So what's the estimated life of a Rickenbacker 4001 bass before the
>neck goes ( or at least one of the truss rods breaks )?
>
>My '96 Epi Les Paul took some fretwork ( one fret was high ) but it's
>been straight as an arrow since.

Don't know about the 4001 bass, but my 330/12 is 48 years old & the
neck is still the best I've ever played.

[Pudentame]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 20:54:42 -0800, "Lee Waun" <lee...@telus.net>

wrote:

>
>
>"Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote in message

>news:m7se9r$ra3$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> There are good Marshalls, and then there are DSLs...
>
>Ouch!!!!
>
>The only Marshall I have ever owned for longer than 3 days is my DSL. Unlike
>a number of their other models that didn't last the 3 day trial period I
>give for new amps.
>
>To be honest I am getting in a new Vox amp and confess I have decided if I
>had to get rid of an amp it would be the DSL.
>
>The Vox and the Fender super champ are staying.
>
>Don't know why but when it comes to overdriving an amp Vox is my favourite
>sound. Love the Fender for the clean tone but I also love the chimey cleans
>of Vox's. I have to admit I think Vox is my favourite sound.
>
>Marshall is a distant 3rd for me.
>
> I have really tried to love the sounds of Marshall's with my Gibson's but I
>always end up prefering the Vox AC15/30's more. Especially the AC15
>overdriven.
>
>> --
>> Les Cargill

Guy I know won a custom Bluesbreaker in a charity raffle for the local
hospital where he lives.

The hospital was a charity Mr. Marshall had supported during his
lifetime & he'd left some kind of directive in his will that the
company should continue to support it.

The prize included a tour of the factory when he went to pick up the
amp, which is, as I understand it, not done very often.

[The_Chris]

Pudentame <no....@no.where.invalid> wrote:

> Every one I checked had 42 little jagged razor blades hanging out like
> that.
>
> And it doesn't need to be that way, because OTHER, higher priced
> [Fender] Squier guitars DID have the fret edges dressed.

Loved the line about the razor blades :) And you did the math right!

[Les Cargill]

*knock wood*

That's great. They put some thin necks on some of their guitars.

--
Les Cargill

[RichL]

"Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote in message

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And thank $DEITY for that!
My '66 Gibson SG has the thinnest, narrowest, and sweetest neck of any
Gibson I've ever had my hands on. (Never mind that it had a headstock break
before I bought it.) It's almost Rickenbacker-like.

But ya know what? We're talking about cheap foreign knockoffs having
razor-sharp fret ends sticking out of the fretboard. Well, a Gibson guitar
(specifically, a "60s Tribute Les Paul Studio Goldtop") that I recently
bought used has that issue. And a crappy sounding neck pickup to boot.

But hey, I couldn't help myself. Pretty looking guitar, P90s, name brand,
what could possibly be wrong with it?

Fortunately, I got it cheap enough that I should be able to recoup what I
paid for it.