1st Strat player to use Humbucker?
Mac
bridge.
Robbie Robertson in The Last Waltz, shot in '76, is the earliest I can
think of.
Who am I missing?
housemouse
I could be wrong, but didn't Dave Murray from Iron Maiden have a strat
with one around 1975 when their first album was released?
The Chris
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Their first album was in 1980...
dv...@altavista.com
Apparently that was Paul Kossoff's Strat. I don't know if he bought it
from him or it was given to him.
RF
housemouse
Yeah - you are right the album was 1980. They formed in 1975...
The Chris
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Harris and Murray... Priest's first album was in 1974.... KK used Strats
and Flying V's, but, I don't know if he had humbuckers...
Keith Adams
no name person in a garage somewhere decided they wanted a bucker in
their Strat and viola.
Strat with a Humbucker. What year did humbuckers come onto the scene .
58? If so then 1958
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boardjunkie
> Well I'd say the first was the same year humbuckers were created. Some
> no name person in a garage somewhere decided they wanted a bucker in
> their Strat and viola.
> Strat with a Humbucker. What year did humbuckers come onto the scene .
> 58? If so then 1958
Now I really doubt that. There was no replacement pickup industry back
then, and humbucking pickups were just coming on the scene via OEM
installation. Who woulda yanked the pickups out of a brand new LP or
335 to stuff into a Strat? That would be like buying a new car to put
the tires on your existing car.
Couldn't have been any earlier than when replacement p-ups became
available. Mid 70s I'd say.
Rat
> What year did humbuckers come onto the scene .
> 58? If so then 1958
it was '57 ...
Keith Adams
you know what was taking place with replacement pickups? You probably
werent even born till 75? Besides that replacement pickups have
always been obtainable from the factory. How much buisness do you
think Gibson would get if you couldnt replace a broken part on one of
their guitars?
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boardjunkie
> Excuse me boardjunkie .Lets give it a year more and make it 59. How do
> you know what was taking place with replacement pickups? You probably
> werent even born till 75? Besides that replacement pickups have
> always been obtainable from the factory. How much buisness do you
> think Gibson would get if you couldnt replace a broken part on one of
> their guitars?
Considering they were shit-hot new technology at the time and Gib$on
was going for a patent on them makes me think they wouldn't just openly
distribute them in fear of someone ripping off the design.
Back then there was no reason to replace pickups unless they were
faulty. And if one was found to be faulty I imagine the factory would
want the bad pickup to inspect and find out why it failed.
Know what? Now I wanna know for sure. I'll do some investigating and
report back.
LenBum
The next breakthrough was the work of Seth Lover and Walter Fuller who
created the humbucking pickup in 1954. (It grew out of the needs of Radio
broadcast and recording where, as to this day, quieter is better.) Gibson's
ES 135 was the first to sport this innovation and entered into regular
production on Les Paul guitars in late 1957. Early humbuckers have entered
the mythology stamped with the now famous "patent applied for" phrase. The
design of these pickups is exactly the same as is produced today.
LenBum
In all this I also overlook the input of many players who helped develop
various features and ideas. As an example, I believe Alan Holdsworth was one
of the first folks to put a humbucker in a Strat (which was sometimes made
out of lighter weight wood than a Les Paul) and started a revolution which
can be seen in any music store today. The ES-335 and its variations and
knockoffs are still extremely popular. Even the modern archtop, a very
different instrument today than the ones built by Gibson, Stromberg,
Epiphone etc. during those times has benefitted from the humbucker and piezo
pickup development
Thad
I know that I've read a hundred interviews where Tony Iommi said that
he ended up playing an SG because a pickup went bad in his Strat so he
'had to have a new guitar'. There was no aftermarket pickup supplier
and manufacturers didn't leap to replace them quickly.
--
Thad
Daniel Dreibelbis
"Mac" <cut2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
one of Stevie Ray Vaughn's Strats was one he had bought off the
guitar player from Vanilla Fudge, who had actually routed out the body
with a large trench so he could install **four** humbuckers in it (this
was way before Nigel Tufnel and his "Mr. Horsepower" guitar). Naturally
Stevie had it redone as a three single coil pickup guitar again, but he
noted that it was more resonant.
He may not have been the first to install a humbucker in a Strat, but
he may have invented the bathtub route :)
Now Holdsworth's guitar was interesting, as it had two DiMarzio Super
Distortions, so he would've been one of the first guys to put
aftermarket non-Gibson humbuckers in a Strat. I know that guitar goes as
far back as his tenures in Soft Machine and New Tony Williams Lifetime
(_Believe It_ came out in '74). Sadly, Allan had to sell that guitar
(and all his other equipment) in order to pay for his _IOU_ sessions -
and he was incredulous that its new owner ripped out the electronics and
restored it back to a Strat wiring!
--
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Current song - "Theme From Kresky (Full Length Version)"
Keith Adams
discussion is nonsense dont ya ? I mean who in the hell knows which
handy dandy home guitar modifier was the first to put a bucker in
their Strat ?. Theres been people modifying guitars as long as theres
been guitars. Thats the only way that the original design can evolve
and be improved upon
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Keith Adams
except the US then that explains it. American guitars anywhere but in
the USA back then were as rare as hens lips.
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Keith Adams
with mammary glands
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John Z. Delorean
paid $1400, which, in 1976 was a freaking lot of money. The pickups were
DiMarzios, and that incarnation of the guitar was used at least as early as
1978 on the Soundhouse Tapes.
FYI, the guitar is an otherwise all-original 1957 model. If Murray has the
original pickups and pickguard, that guitar is worth a damned fortune. Not
that he needs it, but still.
Boyd Williamson
"Keith Adams" <keith...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Besides that replacement pickups have always been obtainable from the
> factory. How much buisness do you think Gibson would get if you couldnt
> replace a broken part on one of their guitars?
I ordered and bought a pair of SG Special-type Gibson P90s, around 1970 or
so, to put in a Fender Jaguar. So, yeah, you could do that.
I also ordered and got a replacement decal from Fender for the head of my
Jaguar around that time, no questions asked. I'd like to see someone pull
that one off now.
Zoid
dv...@altavista.com
Keith Adams wrote:
> Bull hockey ! Is Tony Iommi an American ? If he's from any country
> except the US then that explains it. American guitars anywhere but in
> the USA back then were as rare as hens lips.
>
I just read an interview in Guitar One where he said "it was impossible
to get a replacement pu in England at the time".
RF
Sasquatch
> PS Of course that would make parts for em more rare than a hairy frog
> with mammary glands
We are overrun with the damn things. I don't know whether to shear them or
milk them.
boardjunkie
> I ordered and bought a pair of SG Special-type Gibson P90s, around 1970 or
> so, to put in a Fender Jaguar. So, yeah, you could do that.
>
> I also ordered and got a replacement decal from Fender for the head of my
> Jaguar around that time, no questions asked. I'd like to see someone pull
> that one off now.
>
> Zoid
But that was 1970. And P-90s. By that time P90s were mainly used for
the student grade models and the SG special which was soon
discontinued. I'm sure by that time you could easily get replacement
buckers from Gibbo. And in the late 50s you could probably get the P90s
easily as they were "just another" single coil.
Gary Hendershot
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>
> Harris and Murray... Priest's first album was in 1974.... KK used
> Strats and Flying V's, but, I don't know if he had humbuckers...
Just a regular 'ol Strat plugged into a cranked Marshall.
Van Halen was doing that in '77/'78, but I recall a few others with an
uncovered humbucker or two in a Strat before that.
Keef Richards shoehorned a Gibby humbucker into the neck postion of
one of his Telecasters in... ummm... 1972.
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> guitar player from Vanilla Fudge, who had actually routed out the body
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OK, that's definitely one I recall hearing about before the dawn
of Van Halen.
I believe Steve Howe has a 4-humbucker'd Les Paul Custom! Back in the
early 80s, he got Les Paul himself to sign it. Les Paul did a double
take when he saw 4 shiny full-sized humbuckers going from fingerboard to
bridge post.
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>
> Now Holdsworth's guitar was interesting, as it had two DiMarzio Super
> Distortions, so he would've been one of the first guys to put
> aftermarket non-Gibson humbuckers in a Strat. I know that guitar goes as
> far back as his tenures in Soft Machine and New Tony Williams Lifetime...
>
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Holdsworth on those later-day Soft Machine and (post Daevid Allen) Gong
albums was pretty smooth. For some reason, I had been under the impression
all these years that he was playing a humbucker'd SG back then.
The Chris
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> Keef Richards shoehorned a Gibby humbucker into the neck postion of
> one of his Telecasters in... ummm... 1972.
Yeah, but, he certainly wasn't playing 'hard rock'... I respect Richards,
but, the guy never 'chunked' :)
iarwain
band in the late seventies. The guitar player was playing a Strat with
a humbucker in the bridge position. I remember thinking that was about
the coolest thing ever because I had never seen one before.
Peter Huggins
inspired you to do that in your own guitar?
I know Domenic Troiano had two Humbuckers in his Tele by 1970 or so, but
that was a Tele, not a Strat.
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Peter Huggins
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There have been many too modify their Strats with a humbucker in the
bridge. Robbie Robertson in The Last Waltz, shot in '76, is the earliest
I can think of. Who am I missing?
<<< one of Stevie Ray Vaughn's Strats was one he had
bought off the guitar player from Vanilla Fudge, who had actually routed
out the body with a large trench so he could install **four** humbuckers
in it (this was way before Nigel Tufnel and his "Mr. Horsepower"
guitar). Naturally Stevie had it redone as a three single coil pickup
guitar again, but he noted that it was more resonant. >>>
Actually the late Charley Wirz was the one who acquired the Strat from
Vinnie, and he was the one who set it up for SRV with only one Strat
pickup in the bridge position, and a single volume knob... BTW this
guitar was stolen from Stevie, its the yellow one with only one pickup,
it`s out there somewhere.......