uli jon roth vs. yngwie?
Bharath
Just wanted to get your thoughts on his "neo-classical" stuff as compared
with what Yngwie has done and whether its worth getting the album.
B
--
"So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!"
Don Wallace
suggests.
Donny Guitar
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The Chris
needed a proper vehicle. Yngwie added greatness to Alcatrazz, Vai added
greatness to David Lee Roth, and UJR added greatness to Scorpions.
Listen to their 'Virgin Killer' CD to get a taste of what great rock,
and a great guitarist can do.
All the finger exercising those guys do now appeal to a very tiny
audience, and the writing is usually sub-par, and the albums are boring.
Now, I can't speak for the album you're talking about - I'm just making
general comments.
And for those of you who might be smirking... Damn Right I wish I could
play as good as those guys!!!!!!
--
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Don Wallace
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> And for those of you who might be smirking... Damn Right I wish I could
> play as good as those guys!!!!!!
You might change your mind if you ever had the opportunity to sit down with
that kind of metal head for an afternoon of acoustic guitar playing. No
knowledge of playing or music outside of a very specific an narrow technique
which is extremely boring after a few minutes.
DeeDubYa
YBHappy2
I haven't heard Uli's new album but I imagine it's very creative. I have his 2
early solo LPs but I NEVER listen to them. I always liked his sound/licks on
the early Scorpions recordings the best. When I first heard Yngwie, I was sure
Uli was an influence.
Have you seen the Uli Jon Roth Tribute to Jimi Hendrix video? Uli plays that
strange guitar with the "Jewelry emblem" on it or whatever it is. They do all
Hendrix music and there are many other well known musicians on the video:
Jack Bruce, John Wetton, etc. It features 2 or 3 guitarists. I can't remember
his name but one is a famous Hendrix imitator.
Good luck.
Pam
Electric I
- can shred, but does so in a tasteful manner
- plays for the song
Yngwie - a pioneer in the Shred for Shred's Sake genre
- can shred, but usually does so in a manner that leaves the
listener wondering:"Why doesn't he just slow down & put some
soulful bends in there? "
- plays for the ego
Don't get me wrong, I do like some of yngwie's stuff, it's just that
he's gotten so predictable & formulaic that I just can't listen to him
anymore.
Get the UJR, without a doubt...
In article <oLcg6.15282$vh.6...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Jarl Sigurd
Bharath wrote
>I'm looking at this new UJR album where he plays a bunch of classical
stuff.
>Just wanted to get your thoughts on his "neo-classical" stuff as compared
>with what Yngwie has done and whether its worth getting the album.
Uli Jon Roth was a phenomenal guitarist who predated Yngwie. He
could have been huge if he had been a little more astute in managing
his career. He was easily as good a guitarist as Malmsteen if not
better and a very good songwriter(though weak lyricist). His problem
was that he insisted on singing his own material and he was a
embarassingly bad singer. That's what sunk his career. If he
had hired someone like Jeff Scott Soto to sing on his albums,
his music woud have sounded awesome.
Jarl Sigurd
to listen to a different approach to neoclassical shredding
visit: http://www.mp3.com/JarlSigurd
Jarl Sigurd
Don Wallace wrote
>Neo-classical metal guitar is just as pretentious and boring as it the name
>suggests.
Have you heard the completely different approach to neo-classical
shredding innovated by Jarl Sigurd. I thnk you should refrain from
judging neo-classical guitar until you have heard some of my mp3's
at http://www.mp3.com/JarlSigurd
Jarl Sigurd
to listen to a guitarist who has recorded twice as many concertos
than Yngwie, visit: http://www.mp3.com/JarlSigurd
Bharath
and Michael Schenker.
I probably wouldn't do more than get a "best of" but there are the best of
RCA and best of Mercury. Any thoughts?
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Michael Brown
Don Wallace wrote:
> Neo-classical metal guitar is just as pretentious and boring as it the name
> suggests.
>
Yea I agree its almost as boring as the Blues.
Mike
Michael Brown
Don Wallace wrote:
> "The Chris" <cab...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:95rn3e$eh6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> > And for those of you who might be smirking... Damn Right I wish I could
> > play as good as those guys!!!!!!
>
> You might change your mind if you ever had the opportunity to sit down with
> that kind of metal head for an afternoon of acoustic guitar playing. No
> knowledge of playing or music outside of a very specific an narrow technique
> which is extremely boring after a few minutes.
I am sure its about the same as sitting down with a Blues player that only knows
the Penitonic scale huh?
Mike
Fascinated in Fargo
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better than a hobbyist who focuses on imitation of one limited musical type.
Put a real player who likes to play shred on a acoustic, and chances are
you'll realize that you suck at acoustic, as well as not being able to
shred.
You guys like to point at kids who are trying to play..they can't
play...but they are trying...and maybe they like to attempt to play fast
technical styles...but..they are kids..not real players..maybe..if you don't
give them so much uncalled for shit..they'll become good players. Face it
Jazz music is shred music played by Castratos. What happens if you cut the
balls off a shredder? You get a Jazz musician. In the modern age..the most
prevalent form of male castration is called marriage.
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Fascinated in Fargo
Crow, which is Michael Schenker, who was about16 or 17 years old, at the
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Oren Zero
> You guys like to point at kids who are trying to play..they can't
> play...
At least they aren't boasting to Usenet half the day, while
dodging specific questions about their bands, collabrators, clips,
albums, and extensive c.v. the other half.
--
Oren Zero
www.mp3.com/orenzero
Alessandro di Stefano
sounds like he cares about his music. Yngwie has gotten lazy, and sound like
a shadow of his former self, only putting in real effort when he does
something like his Concertos. Yngwie hasn't really lived up to the promise
of "Rising Force"
I have to say Uli has basically stolen Yngwie crown.
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Alessandro di Stefano
scalloped, some have less strings. He's getting a 9 string built.
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Alessandro di Stefano
> - can shred, but does so in a tasteful manner
> - plays for the song
>
stuff he does with orchestras. He smokes Yngwie these days. Anyone heard
Pegasus? Or his Sky Overture?
Alessandro di Stefano
written several symphonies and pieces for piano, orchestral/guitar pieces,
been in a metal band play classical guitar, violin and also plays straight
neo-classical stuff, I could assure you his abilities aren't narrow at all.
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>
Someone Else
>From: "Jarl Sigurd" jarls...@geocities.com
>Date: 2/7/01 12:33 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <R%ig6.1310$D3....@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>
>
>
>Bharath wrote
>>I'm looking at this new UJR album where he plays a bunch of classical
>stuff.
>>Just wanted to get your thoughts on his "neo-classical" stuff as compared
>>with what Yngwie has done and whether its worth getting the album.
>
>
>Uli Jon Roth was a phenomenal guitarist who predated Yngwie. He
>could have been huge if he had been a little more astute in managing
>his career. He was easily as good a guitarist as Malmsteen if not
>better and a very good songwriter(though weak lyricist). His problem
>was that he insisted on singing his own material and he was a
>embarassingly bad singer. That's what sunk his career. If he
>had hired someone like Jeff Scott Soto to sing on his albums,
>his music woud have sounded awesome.
>
>Jarl Sigurd
Bwahh!!! Yngwie's vocalists are some of the most generic sounding guys around,
IMO. They are "technically" competent, but lack a signature sound and
charisma, which may be even more important in vocals than guitar (!). If he
was to pick a metal-styled vocalist, he would be better off with Russell Allen,
David Defeis or Hansi Kursch. The first 2 do have a bit of polish, but are
quite recognizeable and versatile, as opposed to generic (and they can emote
quite well). In addition, they are fairly open-minded musically speaking,
which is a big plus. Hansi's not polished, but his vocals are fairly unique.
Peavey Wagner is also a unique and able singer.
One of the above types would be a good choice. But, por favor, no generic
vocal sidemen.....
Jim Gordon
"I've got a fever...and the only prescription...is more cowbell!"
-Christopher Walken
"If passion denies you, don't die on your knees...."
-Virgin Steele
Jarl Sigurd
>
> No, a virtuoso player can make music in any style, on any guitar, usually
> better than a hobbyist who focuses on imitation of one limited musical type.
> Put a real player who likes to play shred on a acoustic, and chances are
> you'll realize that you suck at acoustic, as well as not being able to
> shred.
> You guys like to point at kids who are trying to play..they can't
> play...but they are trying...and maybe they like to attempt to play fast
> technical styles...but..they are kids..not real players..maybe..if you don't
> give them so much uncalled for shit..they'll become good players. Face it
> Jazz music is shred music played by Castratos. What happens if you cut the
> balls off a shredder? You get a Jazz musician. In the modern age..the most
> prevalent form of male castration is called marriage.
I wonder if any Jazz Musicians would care to comment on this!
Jarl Sigurd
to listen to a classical piano concerto performed
guitar, visit: http://www.mp3.com/JarlSigurd
Tim Berens
<jarls...@geocities.com> wrote:
>Fascinated in Fargo wrote:
>>
>> No, a virtuoso player can make music in any style, on any guitar, usually
>> better than a hobbyist who focuses on imitation of one limited musical type.
>> Put a real player who likes to play shred on a acoustic, and chances are
>> you'll realize that you suck at acoustic, as well as not being able to
>> shred.
>> You guys like to point at kids who are trying to play..they can't
>> play...but they are trying...and maybe they like to attempt to play fast
>> technical styles...but..they are kids..not real players..maybe..if you don't
>> give them so much uncalled for shit..they'll become good players. Face it
>> Jazz music is shred music played by Castratos. What happens if you cut the
>> balls off a shredder? You get a Jazz musician. In the modern age..the most
>> prevalent form of male castration is called marriage.
>
I believe this would be called a "troll."
Tim
Tim Berens records for Red Mark Records
Sound clips on Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004RC22/102-7001331-0566459
KJ
1. You want to know what we think of a rock guitarists opinion
2. From what I can gather, you want us to hear a classical piano concerto
performed on a guitar
OK troll, since you asked, here's my comment:
Why are you posting on the jazz newsgroups?
Anil Kumar
Jarl Sigurd <jarls...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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> I wonder if any Jazz Musicians would care to comment on this!
>
> Jarl Sigurd
>
Nope.
Luke B
Pete Schaefer
the
> > balls off a shredder? You get a Jazz musician. In the modern age..the
most
> > prevalent form of male castration is called marriage.
Uhhh......Long Live Spinal Tap!!!
Don Wallace
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Couldn't agree more, Mike. I played electric blues for years and cannot
stand it now.
Dull, dull, dull.
Don
Don Wallace
get blended it is almost always the height of pretension. It is just as
bad when the opera singers think they understand pop (ever hear
Luciano Pavarotti sing "On the Sunny Side of the Street"? Quite an
adventure in "not getting it", I assure you). Just because someone
plays Bach really, really fast and really, really loud don't make it art.
In fact, it always comes off as schlock. Like "Purlpe Haze" on
pipe organ. It's cute for about two minutes.
Don Wallace
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Winston Castro
<jarls...@geocities.com> wrote:
>Fascinated in Fargo wrote:
>>
>> No, a virtuoso player can make music in any style, on any guitar, usually
>> better than a hobbyist who focuses on imitation of one limited musical type.
>> Put a real player who likes to play shred on a acoustic, and chances are
>> you'll realize that you suck at acoustic, as well as not being able to
>> shred.
>> You guys like to point at kids who are trying to play..they can't
>> play...but they are trying...and maybe they like to attempt to play fast
>> technical styles...but..they are kids..not real players..maybe..if you don't
>> give them so much uncalled for shit..they'll become good players. Face it
>> Jazz music is shred music played by Castratos. What happens if you cut the
>> balls off a shredder? You get a Jazz musician. In the modern age..the most
>> prevalent form of male castration is called marriage.
>
>I wonder if any Jazz Musicians would care to comment on this!
>
Was it written by Beavis or Butthead?
The Chris
> Bwahh!!! Yngwie's vocalists are some of the most generic sounding
guys around,
> IMO. >
> "I've got a fever...and the only prescription...is more cowbell!"
> -Christopher Walken
>
> "If passion denies you, don't die on your knees...."
> -Virgin Steele
>
--
Don Wallace
> You guys
Who are "you guys"?
>like to point at kids who are trying to play..they can't
> play...but they are trying...and maybe they like to attempt to play fast
> technical styles...but..they are kids..not real players..maybe..if you
don't
> give them so much uncalled for shit.
Whose pointing at kids who are learning? I was simply giving my opinion on
a musical style that I think is fatuous and pretentious. I have always tried
to give
beginners in this group decent advice.
Donny Guitar
Prys Lewis
Prys Lewis
Steve
Guys like you are CASTRATI, not "castratos."
Hope this helps.
Steve Sklar/Big Sky
http://mp3.com/bigsky
askme
says...
> I like the difference between classical music and rock and when the two
> get blended it is almost always the height of pretension. It is just as
> bad when the opera singers think they understand pop (ever hear
> Luciano Pavarotti sing "On the Sunny Side of the Street"? Quite an
> adventure in "not getting it", I assure you). Just because someone
> plays Bach really, really fast and really, really loud don't make it art.
> In fact, it always comes off as schlock. Like "Purlpe Haze" on
> pipe organ. It's cute for about two minutes.
>
you ought to hear buddy miles / bootsy collins do purple haze...
Fascinated in Fargo
all..jazz..whatever.
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prententious fatuous players..I suppose I believe every clone player is a
pretentuous and fatuous type, regardless of whether it's shred or jazz or
whatever. I think cover playing..is a far more respectable thing to do,
than playing guitar charades while maintaining the pretenses of originality
and personal self expression...
I have heard where we can get paint by numbers drawing books of famous
paintings...when we make one look pretty convincing..does that mean we are
gifted painters? Fuck no..transitive postulate applied by extension to
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Alessandro di Stefano
(of course) canned him
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Oren Zero
> How's your falsetto doing? You are hardly a guitarist at
> all..jazz..whatever.
But... you... are... quite... intellectually... narrow...
--
To hear music by a guy who would never taunt people
in his .sig file, visit: www.mp3.com/orenzero/
FU
Jarl Sigurd
playing Heart covers at a transvetite bar,
would LJ let Steve's wife be the star,
or would he upstage her with his guitar?
Could they fit all their gear in one car?
Would their egos the partnership mar?
Would they constantly spar
until LJ gave Steve a scar?
Could Mike Olekshy take their careers very far?
Would their golf game remain under par?
Would their earning fit in a mayonaise jar?
If LJ were to gig with Steve Sklar!
Steve Sklar's music can be hard at:
http://www.mp3.com/BigSky
LJ's music can be heard at
http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/2389
Mike Olekshy's music can be heard at
http://www.mp3.com/24_Unity
Jarl Sigurd
to listen to music by the composer of this poetic
masterpiece, visit: http://www.mp3.com/JarlSigurd
RIDDIM
So, Fascinated in Fargo North Dakotan for clueless?
kaetae
I play many styles, from Jazz to Country and heavy metal. I believe in
constructive criticism. At times if it is a little harsh it may sink
in. We all shred, or at least try to. The biggest shredder I ever
heard, and one of my favorite jazzers, is John McGlaughin. Although
many non-fusion jazzers will consider him as a rocker. It's all in the
ears of the beholder. One of the things that makes playing music worth
while is diversity. If I had to play only jazz standards or heavy metal
or any other one style of music, I would be bored to death. But to me
improvisation, in any style of music, is my greatest pleasure. Young
guys who want to learn to improvise have to try everything including
shredding. In time it all comes together.
I jam with a few younger guys who have come a long way in a short time.
They learn from us old farts. So instead of putting someone down for
not being able to do what you do, teach them. Young brains pick up
things quickly. As for young guys dissing us old fart jazzers. "Learn
then earn".
Pt
Steve
wrote:
> Hmmm, shades of Daddio here ..... I wonder .....
Yeah... what happened to 'Not Gone Long Enough Daddy'?
Steve
Richard Whitehouse
Winston Castro
Whitehouse) wrote:
>What's shredding?
>
You have just pointed out the crux of why that original post seemed so
ridiculous. Jazz musicians do not generally talk in terms of
"shredding"! Teenage heavy metal heads often do, and no doubt created
that term.
It means;
A guitarist that plays very fast, possesses much technical wizardry,
and plays in a loud, agressive style. Usually in the "metal" genre but
it can be used for any player that falls into one or more of the above
catagories.
At first it was meant as a compliment, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, and
those kind of players held that title. But over time it lost some of
its gloss, and is now often used to describe a guitarist who;
Does all the things in the above list, but at the expense of emotion,
feeling, tastefulness, creativity, musicianship etc...
More often used as the latter example these days, at least from what I
have gathered.
Mark Garvin
>If LJ gigged with Steve Sklar
>playing Heart covers at a transvetite bar,
>would LJ let Steve's wife be the star,
>or would he upstage her with his guitar?
>Could they fit all their gear in one car?
>Would their egos the partnership mar?
>Would they constantly spar
>until LJ gave Steve a scar?
>Could Mike Olekshy take their careers very far?
>Would their golf game remain under par?
>Would their earning fit in a mayonaise jar?
>If LJ were to gig with Steve Sklar!
>Steve Sklar's music can be hard at:
>http://www.mp3.com/BigSky
>LJ's music can be heard at
>http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/2389
>Mike Olekshy's music can be heard at
>http://www.mp3.com/24_Unity
>Jarl Sigurd
Beautiful. Simply beautiful. But you forgot this:
For music that belongs in the mayonaise jar:
> visit: http://www.mp3.com/JarlSigurd
Someone Else
>Date: 2/8/01 8:53 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <95vmdb$kcr$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>
>
>Jeff Scott Soto wasn't so shabby. HE really an amazing singer, but Yngwie
>(of course) canned him
>
I'm not saying he _sucked_....I just figure that if we were going to pair a
great guitarist with a vocalist, it might as well be a great vocalist, who also
might have some creative ideas and a nice range of expression. JSS, from what
I've heard (he's the first Malmsteen vocalist, right?), was okay, but IMO
certainly not the end-all for that style.
Alessandro di Stefano
Viking" I would rate him as one of my top ten metal vocalists. He isn't
really a screecher like Mark Boals (Yngwie's 2nd singer, who is actually a
classical trained opera singer) but he has the same slow wide vibrato on his
voice that Yngwie has on his guitar, so it was a good match.
Speaking of singing, Yngwie himself can hit some high notes, he had to cover
some of Mark Boals parts when Joe Lynn Turner joined the band and I was
really impressed.
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Alessandro di Stefano
Symphonic Legends. He has a free download of his Sky Overture, it on
napster.
Pegasus is a great song.
Also, Paganini Paraphrase, Fairy Dance, Beethoven Paraphrase, Scherzo Alla
Paganini, Gypsy Czardas, Tuona E Fulmina.. all good stuff.
"jimmyd" <jjdo...@enter.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:03:06 -0500, "Alessandro di Stefano"
> <boba...@rcn.net> wrote:
>
> >Considering the fact that Uli Jon Roth is a published philosopher, has
> >written several symphonies and pieces for piano, orchestral/guitar
pieces,
> >been in a metal band play classical guitar, violin and also plays
straight
> >neo-classical stuff, I could assure you his abilities aren't narrow at
all.
> >
> I have to admit being naive to UJR stuff, where would you suggest I
> start checking him out at?
>
> jimmyd
Mark Garvin
>>On Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:22:39 GMT, richard_w...@cbc.ca (Richard
>>What's shredding?
>....and is now often used to describe a guitarist who;
>
>Does all the things in the above list, but at the expense of emotion,
>feeling, tastefulness, creativity, musicianship etc...
'Shredder' could also refer to that guy at the salad bar who makes
the cole slaw. I hear he used to play a pointy guitar back in the 80's
before his hairline receded. He's pretty good with cabbage, though.
MG
Mark Guest
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No, I think the origininal troller is the comic book guy from the Simpsons.
--
Mark Guest
JazzerWB at JahWho dot com
Jarl Sigurd
Winston Castro wrote
>You have just pointed out the crux of why that original post seemed so
>ridiculous. Jazz musicians do not generally talk in terms of
>"shredding"! Teenage heavy metal heads often do, and no doubt created
>that term.
Teenage Metalheads? Have you checked your calender lately?
It's 2001, not 1989. Back in the late 1980's there were throngs
of Teenage Metalheads. But now those same people are in
their 30's. Nowaday's teens, for the most part, appear to be into
different forms of music.
Jarl Sigurd
to listen to the music teens will be into
in 2012 http://www.mp3.com/JarlSigurd
Jarl Sigurd
Mark Garvin wrote
>
>'Shredder' could also refer to that guy at the salad bar who makes
>the cole slaw. I hear he used to play a pointy guitar back in the 80's
>before his hairline receded. He's pretty good with cabbage, though.
Yep, that's the guy! His pointy guitar that he spent over a grand on
wound up in the pawnshop where it was bought for a pittance by some
guy who collects pointy guitars. There sure were a lot of pointy guitars
guitars going on sale cheap in the early 90's. I bought all 5 of my pointy
guitars for less money than a new Les Paul or PRS would gave cost
me. I use them as Midi controllers for recording orchestra music.
An ironic fate for a once coveted Rock and Roll Axes.
Jarl Sigurd
to view the pointy guitar I used to record my piano concerto and
cello concerto with, visit: http://www.mp3.com/JarlSigurd
Fascinated in Fargo
relatively soulessly, Roth's music is quite a bit deeper, so it's a little
harder to duplicate. However, it's real easy to feel, so that makes it easy
to play, if you are a player who plays with a good sense of feeling the
music.
kaetae
> Teenage Metalheads? Have you checked your calender lately?
> It's 2001, not 1989. Back in the late 1980's there were throngs
> of Teenage Metalheads. But now those same people are in
> their 30's. Nowaday's teens, for the most part, appear to be into
> different forms of music.
>
> Jarl Sigurd
A funny thing....I host an open weekly Jam and often young players will
join us. We play mostly rock songs from the 50's, 60's & 70's with
improvised solos. They love our music and keep coming back for more.
Some just to listen. I find that many of the younger players today are
sick and tired of the NEW music. Thank god.
Pt
Spiff1242
metalheads of the 80's cause back then the metal bands were huge and
everyone knew them. Now the music I listen to is considered "underground."
And it seems like everyone I know always talks about how lame the stuff is
on MTV, but a few minutes later you see them talking about that last episode
of the Real World or the new Brittany Spears video. It's like they're
unhappy with the stuff on there, but they're too lazy to get off their butts
and look for something better. Oh well, it makes it easier for me to get
concert tickets and stuff. :)
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Oren Zero
> Teenage Metalheads? Have you checked your calender lately?
> It's 2001, not 1989. Back in the late 1980's there were throngs
> of Teenage Metalheads. But now those same people are in
> their 30's.
Yes, and that's where the metalhead population still has a
spike. The 30-38 underemployed functional substance abuser.
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Mark Plancke
>Teenage Metalheads? Have you checked your calender lately?
>It's 2001, not 1989. Back in the late 1980's there were throngs
>of Teenage Metalheads. But now those same people are in
>their 30's. Nowaday's teens, for the most part, appear to be into
>different forms of music.
>
>Jarl Sigurd
>
>to listen to the music teens will be into
>in 2012 http://www.mp3.com/JarlSigurd
Every so often on the net, a cool new term gets coined. I rather like
this one; Heavy Metal Fogey. What better term to describe aging
shredders and headbangers. METAL FOGEY!!!
Jurl Absurb
Mike Sandler
> > Teenage Metalheads? Have you checked your calender lately?
> > It's 2001, not 1989. Back in the late 1980's there were throngs
> > of Teenage Metalheads. But now those same people are in
> > their 30's. Nowaday's teens, for the most part, appear to be into
> > different forms of music.
> >
> > Jarl Sigurd
Check out a Drem Theater video. Look at the audience.
Mike Sandler
David Raven
strands of metal such as Amen or Limp Bizkit to the shred solo purveyors. I
don't know where you're from, Jarl, but on a Saturday my town centre is
teeming with kids in black hair dye and Slipknot shirts.
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Florian Schmidt
<jarls...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>You have just pointed out the crux of why that original post seemed so
>>ridiculous. Jazz musicians do not generally talk in terms of
>>"shredding"! Teenage heavy metal heads often do, and no doubt created
>>that term.
>
>Teenage Metalheads? Have you checked your calender lately?
>It's 2001, not 1989. Back in the late 1980's there were throngs
>of Teenage Metalheads. But now those same people are in
>their 30's. Nowaday's teens, for the most part, appear to be into
>different forms of music.
over here, in germany, there's still some left.. there must be some
in the u.s., since we do get quite a bit of rock and metal music on
our tv-stations from there. um, maybe there's only few left and they
sell their stuff to germany.. and make good bucks *g*
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Jim Kroger
<intrepid_explorer@large_erection_msn.com> wrote:
Or the 30-38 wall street tycoon, nobel prize winner, NY Times reporter,
dot.com CEO, formula 1 driver, or Metallica band member functional
substance abuser.
My man Mike Piazza is a huge Metallica fan. What was it he resigned for, 90 mil?
Jim
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they're grindcore.
Oren Zero
> Or the 30-38 wall street tycoon, nobel prize winner, NY Times reporter,
> dot.com CEO, formula 1 driver, or Metallica band member functional
> substance abuser.
> My man Mike Piazza is a huge Metallica fan. What was it he resigned for,
90 mil?
Yes, those certainly exist. However, for every Nobel Prize-winning
30-38 metalhead you can find, I bet I can find 476,250 that are
stocking shelves at a convenience store.
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Jim Kroger
> What's funny about slipknot though is that they aren't excatly "nu metal",
> they're grindcore.
>
I thought they used a solid core, and ground the winding. But what do I
know about those new metal strings.
Matt757
jazz, and can play fast, I will ask something I have been wondering about
for some time...
Why have I never ever seen any mention on any newsgroup, or any froum for
that matter, of Neal Schon?
Yes, some people may not like that he is part of Journey, but he is also a
great solo musician. Plus, some Journey stuff has rock guitar playing on
NON BALLAD songs and he could compete with any shredder. I think his solo
stuff would be considered jazzy.
There are samples of his stuff here if you like slower jazz stuff...
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1447149641/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/po
psearch.html/clickID=tn_srch_txt
(Obviously his newest album on that page, "Pirahna Blues" is not going to be
jazzy... but the others are.)
I'm not trying to sell his records, I am just very curious why no one ever
mentions him.
(Journey has fast rock songs too, they just don't get played on the radio
like the ballads do.)
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Steve
"Matt757" <matt...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Since we are on the subject of great players who can play both rock and
> jazz, and can play fast, I will ask something I have been wondering about
> for some time...
> Why have I never ever seen any mention on any newsgroup, or any froum for
> that matter, of Neal Schon?
> Yes, some people may not like that he is part of Journey, but he is also
> a
> great solo musician. Plus, some Journey stuff has rock guitar playing on
> NON BALLAD songs and he could compete with any shredder. I think his
> solo
> stuff would be considered jazzy.
>
> There are samples of his stuff here if you like slower jazz stuff...
> http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1447149641/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/
> po
> psearch.html/clickID=tn_srch_txt
>
> (Obviously his newest album on that page, "Pirahna Blues" is not going to
> be
> jazzy... but the others are.)
>
> I'm not trying to sell his records, I am just very curious why no one
> ever
> mentions him.
>
> (Journey has fast rock songs too, they just don't get played on the radio
> like the ballads do.)
>
I loved the first 3 Journey albums that don't seem to be in print
anymore. Greg Rolie handled the vocals, Neal on guitar, Ross Valory,
Ainsley Dunbar and I can't remember the last guy. These records were
done BEFORE they were famous.
Steve
dave
called the USA, and in this place, Metal is alive and well, supported by
its farm equipment operating mulletude.... Anyone who drives around the
midwest can account for Def Leppard and countless other hair bands getting
air play like it was 1988 all over again.
dave
Rui Maciel
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Sonic Overflow
midi controller?
Hang on in your hands, the term CONTROLLER just seems all wrong.
E.
Dundee The Pod
that his stuff is upper caliber.
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