After struggling with the lyrics for months....
RichL
couple more on the fire.) Comments welcome as always (especially with
regard to the mix). Here ya go:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=787260&songID=8323510
Thanks!
dvaoa
>
> Thanks!
heh heh...nice work and damn good tune.
"I'm straight with Jesus, and disregard everything he teaches."
Brilliant!
-d
RichL
Thanks, Steve! That pair of lines came to me in the middle of working
on some laser-related technical stuff at work. Had to e-mail it to
myself so I wouldn't forget it when I got home!
Tony Done
"RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Excellent. I heard it as good old protest style rock and roll, of the kind
they play on one of my favourite local stations. For some reason it sounded
like Oz country rock to me, (<g> I thought I heard "Camooweal" in there
somewhere! - But my hearing ain't that good any more) crossed with Pink
Floyd's "Another Brick" Weird what some tunes evoke eh?
Tony D
Mark Bedingfield
Nice Rich. It just shouts CCR to me. With some Dylan style lyrics ;-)
Mark
RichL
Thanks, Tony!
It's interesting to me to see where my original stuff evolves. I
started off the tune trying to get a metal vibe, believe it or not,
trying different guitar/amp combinations to capture that sound, and I
didn't like what I got. But as I re-recorded the various guitar parts,
it sort of moved on its own into different territory. I wound up
recording all of the guitar parts (except for that buzzy lead part)
direct into the preamp and computer and applied different amp simulators
to the tracks, trying out all sorts of different combinations.
I can hear an "alt-country" character in the verses but not in the
choruses, which take me back to more familiar territory.
RichL
Thanks Mark! As I said to Tony, I started off shooting for an entirely
different style, and it sort of took on a life of its own.
The guitar that comes in in the chorus does have a CCR ring to it
although I didn't plan it that way at all. It's my Les Paul double cut
standard plus, recorded direct, with a Vox AC30 simulator applied (my
own AC30 is busted at the moment).
Monster Zero
EXCELLENT! Only thing I didn't care much for was the lead tones. Sounded
almost like you just plugged a fuzz pedal directly into the PC. But overall
I LOVE IT!
RichL
Thanks!
That guitar is my old '65 Ric, run through a Keeley Java treble booster
and into a Valve Jr. amp.
Interestingly, it's the *only* guitar track that wasn't recorded direct!
I think the pickups on the Ric (70s era DiMarzio hot tele pickups) are
too hot for my normal settings on the Java pedal. I may do a do-over.
VampX
<atar...@nomorespampleaseoptusnet.com.au> said:
> Nice Rich. It just shouts CCR to me. With some Dylan style lyrics ;-)
>
> Mark
No way... very Neil Young.
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VeronicaX
-------------------------------
MacBook Pro 5,1
Mmmmmmmmm
Lu R
Lyrics are very good Rich but I think the song lacks dynamics..and that lead
guitar tone needs work too.
Cool song.. Luke :)
RichL
Thanks! The lead guitar is over the top on purpose, part of the vibe.
But it's probably too buzzy in retrospect, I'm thinking about re-doing
it.
RichL
> On 2009-11-08 11:08:55 +1100, Mark Bedingfield
> <atar...@nomorespampleaseoptusnet.com.au> said:
>
>> Nice Rich. It just shouts CCR to me. With some Dylan style lyrics ;-)
>>
>> Mark
>
> No way... very Neil Young.
Hmmm, someone on another NG mentioned Young also. I don't see it,
unless you're referring to my voice. Some people think I sing like
Ringo Starr, I suppose ol' Neil's a step up ;-)
VampX
> Hmmm, someone on another NG mentioned Young also. I don't see it,
> unless you're referring to my voice. Some people think I sing like
> Ringo Starr, I suppose ol' Neil's a step up ;-)
Neil Young is brilliant! More than just a step up. Ringo's a hack. I
felt that not only the voice, which sounds good btw but the writing as
well is very Neil Young.
I assumed you were singing about rednecks and that it wasn't coming
from your own motivation.
jtees4
wrote:
Nice toe tapper. Not what I expected at all. Unlike others, I actually
like the lead tone, very old school...I do feel it needs to be mixed
in a little better though (not sure how). I also think the vocal needs
to be brought up just a little. I absolutely love the way the bass and
guitar follow the vocal in the chorus...really strong song.
****
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
jtees4
I do not hear Neil Young in there at all. Doesn't really sound like
anyone but you.
****
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
RichL
> On 2009-11-08 13:47:49 +1100, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>> Hmmm, someone on another NG mentioned Young also. I don't see it,
>> unless you're referring to my voice. Some people think I sing like
>> Ringo Starr, I suppose ol' Neil's a step up ;-)
>
> Neil Young is brilliant! More than just a step up. Ringo's a hack. I
> felt that not only the voice, which sounds good btw but the writing as
> well is very Neil Young.
Thanks! I guess I'm not all that familiar with a lot of Neil's stuff,
mainly what he did with CS&N and his big solo hits.
>
> I assumed you were singing about rednecks and that it wasn't coming
> from your own motivation.
Yeah, it's supposed to be tongue-in-cheek.
RichL
Thanks! I don't get the Neil thing either but I'm not familiar with his
more obscure stuff. As far as the lead goes, it's not exactly what I
was shooting for, probably because of mic placement...the sound coming
out of the amp wasn't that buzzy. After I mixed it in, it sorta
reminded me of Z Z Top.
Arlowe
But CAN YOU DANCE LIKE NY??? HMMM????
betcha can't.. :)
mercutio
wrote:
Great song Rich. I think the Neil Young refernce comes from the
overall ambience of the recording and from the sound of the voice on
the backup vocals and are referencing not so much his early stuff as
his 1990's work Good work once again
Jim
>
dvaoa
> Unlike others, I actually
> like the lead tone, very old school...
I agree about the lead tone...in this case, it fits the song. Don't
change it Rich!
-d
RichL
Thanks, Jim. Like I said, I haven't kept up with Neil so much.
RichL
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:09:04 -0500, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>
> Sounded like you recorded your vocals in the shower.
That's the multiple delay, probably. It's a bit more "in your face"
than reverb, oh well, it was an experiment. I wanted to see a reaction,
now I got one.
> Lead fills were
> (how do I describe this) ummmm they don't match the genre and timbre
> of the rest of the song (some kind of hybrid surf's up/new age)
> jumble.
Trying to be a bit "out of the box".
> But you'll fix it up.
Maybe, when I listen, sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't. I think
I'm gonna let this one stew for a few days before I go back to it.
> PS: I'm on my 8th 12 hour day at the studio doing a session and
> mixdown. It's around 7 am now and I have to be there at 9. What day is
> this? Hmmmm no church for me today.
LOL! Good luck, man!
Les Cargill
Sounds like Hot Tuna or the Moody Blues ( probably because
of the very Germanium sounding fuzz). The fact that people
aren't converging on a single sound to describe it might
mean you've found a sound.
Good tune.
The timbre of the drums and bass are really indistinct. For
some reason, this mix is very crowded where they're trying
to sit. The whole mix is a wee bit "ten pounds of
flour in a five pound bag". Not a bad thing per se, but you
notice the loss of space when elements are brought in. Tough
song to mix. And watch a spectrum display to mind that
notch in your hearing.
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
I have and I don't hear any Neil in it at all :) It's far, far more
California-surf-ey sounding than Neil. Neil's just not done a lot of
stuff like that.
--
Les Cargill
RichL
> RichL wrote:
>> I finally finished the new song! (Well, at least one of them;
>> there's couple more on the fire.) Comments welcome as always
>> (especially with regard to the mix). Here ya go:
>>
>>
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=787260&songID=8323510
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>
>
> Sounds like Hot Tuna or the Moody Blues ( probably because
> of the very Germanium sounding fuzz).
Hmmm, interesting comment. No fuzz, just a treble booster and highly
overdriven, single-ended EL84 amp (Valve Jr.).
If I redo the lead guitar, I'm tempted to get the treble booster out of
there and use a clean boost to overdrive the amp.
> The fact that people
> aren't converging on a single sound to describe it might
> mean you've found a sound.
Yeah, I try to be diverse in the sounds I use, sometimes at the expense
of what comes naturally to me. But sometimes it works!
>
> Good tune.
>
> The timbre of the drums and bass are really indistinct. For
> some reason, this mix is very crowded where they're trying
> to sit. The whole mix is a wee bit "ten pounds of
> flour in a five pound bag".
Yeah some of that was intentional, I wanted to see how it would fly.
Two separate guitars playing the same power chords on the low register
with the bass occupying the same frequency space (in an effort to create
a driving sound) in the verses. I tried to let up on that in the
choruses to create some diversity.
> Not a bad thing per se, but you
> notice the loss of space when elements are brought in. Tough
> song to mix. And watch a spectrum display to mind that
> notch in your hearing.
Yeah, I do watch a spectrum analyzer on individual tracks and in the
mix. I'm thinking a multi-band compressor applied to the overall mix
might do some good although I'd probably want to ease up on some of the
compression I've applied to individual tracks.
Thanks for the comments!
Dinosaur_Sr
> On 2009-11-08 11:08:55 +1100, Mark Bedingfield
>
> > Nice Rich. It just shouts CCR to me. With some Dylan style lyrics ;-)
>
> > Mark
>
> No way... very Neil Young.
> --
>
> VeronicaX
> -------------------------------
> MacBook Pro 5,1
> Mmmmmmmmm
I agree. Very 70's - 80's Neil Young.
Les Cargill
> Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> RichL wrote:
>>> I finally finished the new song! (Well, at least one of them;
>>> there's couple more on the fire.) Comments welcome as always
>>> (especially with regard to the mix). Here ya go:
>>>
>>>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=787260&songID=8323510
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like Hot Tuna or the Moody Blues ( probably because
>> of the very Germanium sounding fuzz).
>
> Hmmm, interesting comment. No fuzz, just a treble booster and highly
> overdriven, single-ended EL84 amp (Valve Jr.).
>
> If I redo the lead guitar, I'm tempted to get the treble booster out of
> there and use a clean boost to overdrive the amp.
>
Fair enough - the effect is very much like a Germanium fuzz,
tho. I realize that treble boosters and fuzzes occupy the same
rough market space - both create a lot of upper harmonics.
>> The fact that people
>> aren't converging on a single sound to describe it might
>> mean you've found a sound.
>
> Yeah, I try to be diverse in the sounds I use, sometimes at the expense
> of what comes naturally to me. But sometimes it works!
I think you have something going on vocally. It's different. Very
simple presentation. If you ever figure out how to make
the vox punchy, you'll be there - and you've gotten better.
>> Good tune.
>>
>> The timbre of the drums and bass are really indistinct. For
>> some reason, this mix is very crowded where they're trying
>> to sit. The whole mix is a wee bit "ten pounds of
>> flour in a five pound bag".
>
> Yeah some of that was intentional, I wanted to see how it would fly.
> Two separate guitars playing the same power chords on the low register
> with the bass occupying the same frequency space (in an effort to create
> a driving sound) in the verses. I tried to let up on that in the
> choruses to create some diversity.
>
Right. And modulating that is going to be
effective. Just some stuff is harder to hear.
>> Not a bad thing per se, but you
>> notice the loss of space when elements are brought in. Tough
>> song to mix. And watch a spectrum display to mind that
>> notch in your hearing.
>
> Yeah, I do watch a spectrum analyzer on individual tracks and in the
> mix. I'm thinking a multi-band compressor applied to the overall mix
> might do some good although I'd probably want to ease up on some of the
> compression I've applied to individual tracks.
>
I'd have to agree - some of the individual tracks seem a
little excessively squeezed. Particularly the snare. I use
SFZ for printing drum tracks, and that means I can
swap the entire kit out when one just doesn't fit.
I don't know if Sonar includes it, but my go-to dynamics
control these days is:
http://www.gvst.co.uk/gmax.htm
there's a really effective suite of freebies to go with it:
http://www.gvst.co.uk/
GMax maximizes without flattopping. You can tune in any
crest factor, up to the point that it starts to be overdone.
Poor man's mastering...
Some of them are crashey - the pitch corrector dies on start up
with N-Track 3.0, and you lose the song file. Since Sonar does a
better job of defending itself against crashes, you might be able to
use all of them.
> Thanks for the comments!
>
>
--
Les Cargill
RichL
Better "poor man's mastering" is definitely what I need. At the moment
I'm just doing straight limiting. Gotta learn more. I think Sonar has
some tools that would be effective.
Les Cargill
Just IMO, but try those. After all, with Sonar, it won't take
your whole song file down.
GMax *looks* like it 'loop optimizes' - you give it a gain figure
and a limit.
It calculates out "loops" on either side of zero crossing, then only
amplifies them as far as they can be amplified without exceeding a
peak threshold. I say it looks that way - I wrote a loop
optimizer and the results look very similar.
This causes distortion, but not square waves. You learn how much to push
it. But I can get mixes up to -8 dB ( as calculated by CoolEdit96 )
before they just go completely to poop. Sometimes they go to poop at
-12, though.
--
Les Cargill
dvaoa
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:28:02 -0500, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> >Meat Plow <m...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:09:04 -0500, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> >>> I finally finished the new song! (Well, at least one of them;
> >>> there's couple more on the fire.) Comments welcome as always
> >>> (especially with regard to the mix). Here ya go:
>
>
> >>> Thanks!
>
> >> Not like it :)
>
> >> Sounded like you recorded your vocals in the shower.
>
> >That's the multiple delay, probably. It's a bit more "in your face"
> >than reverb, oh well, it was an experiment. I wanted to see a reaction,
> >now I got one.
>
> >> Lead fills were
> >> (how do I describe this) ummmm they don't match the genre and timbre
> >> of the rest of the song (some kind of hybrid surf's up/new age)
> >> jumble.
>
> >Trying to be a bit "out of the box".
>
> >> But you'll fix it up.
>
> >Maybe, when I listen, sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't. I think
> >I'm gonna let this one stew for a few days before I go back to it.
>
> >> PS: I'm on my 8th 12 hour day at the studio doing a session and
> >> mixdown. It's around 7 am now and I have to be there at 9. What day is
> >> this? Hmmmm no church for me today.
>
> >LOL! Good luck, man!
>
> Vegas so we can switch to a more stable and intuitive multi-tracker
> like Audition for now. Then maybe PT once we get some $$$$. Vegas
> MIDI based transport is just too flaky causing Vegas to crash if you
> get too frisky with the shuttle. And when it crashes you lose your
> work and the hardware setups and I have to re-assign all 64 ins and
> outs back to the project. Did a little recording with Audition
> yesterday. I had it up and running in 30 minutes since I use it here
> at home with my Delta 44. I think there are some issues with Vegas,
> the Midisport 44, and Lynx AES 16 drivers. About ready to pull my hair
> out but Audition worked well. Only problem is several Vegas projects
> remain unfinished and those can't be imported.
>
> Feel better now glad to get that off my chest.
I thought you liked Vegas...? I remember you recommending it a while
back.
-d
Les Cargill
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:24:09 -0800 (PST), dvaoa
> <dv...@altavista.com>wrote:
>
>> On Nov 9, 11:26?am, Meat Plow <m...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:28:02 -0500, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Meat Plow <m...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:09:04 -0500, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>>> there's couple more on the fire.) ?Comments welcome as always
>>>>>> (especially with regard to the mix). ?Here ya go:
>>>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=787260&songI...
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Not like it :)
>>>>> Sounded like you recorded your vocals in the shower.
>>>> than reverb, oh well, it was an experiment. ?I wanted to see a reaction,
>>>> now I got one.
>>>>> Lead fills were
>>>>> (how do I describe this) ummmm they don't match the genre and timbre
>>>>> of the rest of the song (some kind of hybrid surf's up/new age)
>>>>> jumble.
>>>> Trying to be a bit "out of the box".
>>>>> But you'll fix it up.
>>>> I'm gonna let this one stew for a few days before I go back to it.
>>>>> PS: I'm on my 8th 12 hour day at the studio doing a session and
>>>>> mixdown. It's around 7 am now and I have to be there at 9. What day is
>>>>> this? Hmmmm no church for me today.
>>> Arrrrg! Took today off. Trying to finish up some projects in Sony
>>> Vegas so we can switch to a more stable and intuitive multi-tracker
>>> like Audition for now. Then maybe PT once we get some $$$$. Vegas
>>> MIDI based transport is just too flaky causing Vegas to crash if you
>>> get too frisky with the shuttle. And when it crashes you lose your
>>> work and the hardware setups and I have to re-assign all 64 ins and
>>> outs back to the project. Did a little recording with Audition
>>> yesterday. I had it up and running in 30 minutes since I use it here
>>> at home with my Delta 44. I think there are some issues with Vegas,
>>> the Midisport 44, and Lynx AES 16 drivers. About ready to pull my hair
>>> out but Audition worked well. Only problem is several Vegas projects
>>> remain unfinished and those can't be imported.
>>>
>>> Feel better now glad to get that off my chest.
>> I thought you liked Vegas...? I remember you recommending it a while
>> back.
>>
>
> I've made it more stable just by re-docking the time clock to the #1
> screen where it was originally. If we keep the workstation Vegas
> displays minimized and run it totally slaved it's usable. I like Vegas
> but like most software it has its do's and don't's. Audition 2 felt
> more snappy right off the bat. However the project we are trying to
> finish is an entire album's worth of songs in one project. I didn't
> start it and if I did I would have split it up. The audio files total
> over 100 gigs for just this project alone. I'm sure the sheer volume
> also has something to do with the instability which so far is limited
> to using the shuttle knob on the Mackie DXB to rewind at top speed for
> about 60 minutes on the project timeline. Once you do that Vegas
> freezes then bows out very ungracefully losing its MMC and audio
> settings. Takes me about 15 minutes to reassign all that shit, 32 ins
> and 32 outs plus rebuilding the external control settings.
>
> At this point I'd like to retract my recommendation :)
Wow, Id split the damn thing up. Sheesh, I've done live records for
people with 1 hr/set projects in N-Track 3.0, and never had anything
like that happen. It'd crash when a plugin would wander off, but that's
all. No loss of data or settings.
I wonder of Reaper would be better. Or just least that DXB alone...
--
Les Cargill
Grinner
> dvaoa <dv...@altavista.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 7, 6:09 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I finally finished the new song! (Well, at least one of them; there's
>>> couple more on the fire.) Comments welcome as always (especially with
>>> regard to the mix). Here ya go:
>>>
>>>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=787260&songI...
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>> heh heh...nice work and damn good tune.
>>
>> "I'm straight with Jesus, and disregard everything he teaches."
>> Brilliant!
>>
>> -d
>
> Thanks, Steve! That pair of lines came to me in the middle of working
> on some laser-related technical stuff at work. Had to e-mail it to
> myself so I wouldn't forget it when I got home!
>
yeah those lines sums it up nicely.