Hondo II?
Michael Rebholz
Six years ago, my parents bought me an accoustic guitar. It is a Hondo II made
in Korea. It is a model H125A. I'm wondering if anybody knows anything about
this type of guitar. I have some repairs to make to it, but would really like
to get a new guitar. I'm wondering if this guitar is worth keeping and fixing,
or is it a cheapy guitar and not worth much expence.
The repairs are replacing the tuning pegs and some _major_ neck adjustments. My
other thought is putting a pick-up in this guitar and getting a new one for
just acoustic. Any suggestions?
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Pete Wilson
>
>
>Six years ago, my parents bought me an accoustic guitar. It is a Hondo II made
>in Korea. It is a model H125A. I'm wondering if anybody knows anything about
>this type of guitar. I have some repairs to make to it, but would really like
>to get a new guitar. I'm wondering if this guitar is worth keeping and fixing,
>or is it a cheapy guitar and not worth much expence.
>
>The repairs are replacing the tuning pegs and some _major_ neck adjustments. My
>other thought is putting a pick-up in this guitar and getting a new one for
>just acoustic. Any suggestions?
>
>
My experience is that a lot of people who own cheap, piece of crap guitars,
are strangely attached to them, even though they could buy a decent replacement
for a measly few hundred bucks. They try to tell you it's a really good
guitar and a collector's item when any moron can tell it's a piece of
junk just by looking at it. So if your natural inclination is to
replace it, the chances are your natural inclination is correct. The
fact that the neck is seriously wonky makes that almost a certainty.
If your neck has a truss adjustment you could try that first.
Otherwise my advice is to take it outside, throw it as high in the air
as you can, and enjoy the splintering crash it makes as it lands.
I don't see any logic in putting a pickup in it. An acoustic guitar
with a pickup still sounds like an acoustic guitar. It's just louder
is all. If you want an electric guitar buy one. They're not that
expensive. If you want an acoustic with a pickup, and you're buying a
new acoustic then why not buy a new acoustic with a pickup? *insert
head smacking sound here*
.pw
Hagame uno mas! Esos son muy cool!
>in Korea. It is a model H125A. I'm wondering if anybody knows anything about
>this type of guitar. I have some repairs to make to it, but would really like
>to get a new guitar. I'm wondering if this guitar is worth keeping and fixing,
>or is it a cheapy guitar and not worth much expence.
>
>The repairs are replacing the tuning pegs and some _major_ neck adjustments. My
>other thought is putting a pick-up in this guitar and getting a new one for
>just acoustic. Any suggestions?
Kill it. It's not worth it. At all. Hondos must be about the worst
things on the face of the Earth.
I'm not exaggerating. My first guitar was a Hondo II Iceman copy. I've
never seen an original Iceman for it to be copied from, but they assure
me it exists. Shame . . .
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>I'm not exaggerating. My first guitar was a Hondo II Iceman copy. I've
>never seen an original Iceman for it to be copied from, but they assure
>me it exists. Shame . . .
The Ibanez Iceman wasn't a bad guitar. Dallas-based blues guitarist
Bugs Henderson used to play one on stage. They show up in pawn shops
every once in a while and tend to be reasonably priced (unlike
Gibsons, Charvels, etc...)
--Rob sp...@convex.com
Gordon Walker
|In article <musicman.701674749@camelot> musi...@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Rebholz) writes:
|>other thought is putting a pick-up in this guitar and getting a new one for
|>just acoustic. Any suggestions?
|>
|with a pickup still sounds like an acoustic guitar. It's just louder
|is all. If you want an electric guitar buy one. They're not that
|expensive. If you want an acoustic with a pickup, and you're buying a
|new acoustic then why not buy a new acoustic with a pickup? *insert
|head smacking sound here*
|
C'mon now - its not really as simple as that! (Sorry to interrupt your
headsmacking - but perhaps you've been over-doing it recently....:-)
Ok - so the basic solution to the problem above wasn't exactly the most
taxing, but an acoustic with a pickup most certainly isn't
"just louder". In fact it's a very complicated problem........
It all depends what you want as an amplified sound I suppose. The
problems are when you want it to still sound like an acoustic, but
without the rigmerole(sp?) of using mics.
If you want to just amplify the sound with dis-regrad of acoustic tone
tone, then the simplest way is to stick a pickup under the strings in
some manner (usually wedged in the sound hole). Apart from looking
horrible, you may aswell have a crap electric to my ears.
The next alternative is to attach a pickup to the guitar's body to
pickup the body vibrations and not the strings' directly. These come in
a variety of forms from a long contact strip to various little "bugs".
The question is then where to put them - somewhere on the top-plate
obviously but the answer beyond that is not as simple as it seems.
On/under the bridge you might say - well I disagree.......(as you'll see
in a moment).
The last thing to consider is guitar with built in pickups. Now as far
as I know these seem to be contact strips attached between the bridge
and the top plate, even on the most valuable guitars. Does anyone know
different? Because I don't really think it's the best place for pickups.
For some reason the bridge of an acoustic instrument seems to hold great
reverance with players/makers for attaching pickups. But it's the top
plate which gives most to guitar's tone quality. Putting a pickup under
the bridge is almost like by-passing the top plate (although not
entirely by any means). My suggestion would be to have the pickup some
small distance below the bridge (ie towards the tailpiece), and maybe
slightly off centre. I have sone fairly detailed reasons for saying this
which I won't bore you all with (suffice to say my Phd reseach was
heavily involved with some of this) (if you're still with me at all at this
stage........), but I'm interested in others thoughts.
So.......what opinions have acoustic players with amplifying their
guitars? If you have "under-the-bridge" pickups are you satisfied with
them? If you have a movable top-plate pickup, where do you put and
where do you think the best place is? Any other points to consider?
And then there's the problem of the amp........
Hope this is of interest (sorry no tabs......:-),
Gordon
Pete Wilson
>In article <1992Mar27....@watserv1.waterloo.edu> pwi...@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Pete Wilson) writes:
>|In article <musicman.701674749@camelot> musi...@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Rebholz) writes:
>|>........
>|>other thought is putting a pick-up in this guitar and getting a new one for
>|>just acoustic. Any suggestions?
>|>
>| I don't see any logic in putting a pickup in it. An acoustic guitar
>|with a pickup still sounds like an acoustic guitar. It's just louder
>|is all. If you want an electric guitar buy one. They're not that
>|expensive. If you want an acoustic with a pickup, and you're buying a
>|new acoustic then why not buy a new acoustic with a pickup? *insert
>|head smacking sound here*
>|
>
>C'mon now - its not really as simple as that! (Sorry to interrupt your
>headsmacking - but perhaps you've been over-doing it recently....:-)
My Head HURTS!!!
>Ok - so the basic solution to the problem above wasn't exactly the most
>taxing, but an acoustic with a pickup most certainly isn't
>"just louder". In fact it's a very complicated problem........
>
You're right of course, the possibilites get very complex with a pickup
and an amp. The point I am making is that the basic sound is still an
acoustic sound, - no point in having 2 guitars just so as you can put
a pickup in one
> bunch of stuff deleted
>So.......what opinions have acoustic players with amplifying their
>guitars? If you have "under-the-bridge" pickups are you satisfied with
>them? If you have a movable top-plate pickup, where do you put and
>where do you think the best place is? Any other points to consider?
>
I don't have a pickup in my acoustic guitar but I notice that what you
see in the stores nowadays are a lot of acoustic guitars with "active"
pickups in the bridge. These have batteries in them and a little panel
on the edge with slide controls for tone and volume. According to the
sales people these are the best. They do have the advantage of being
very clean looking, and I notice that a lot of people are using them
while performing on Hot Country Nights and similar T.V. shows
.pw
D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
In article <11993.92...@thor.cf.ac.uk> sco...@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker) writes:
>If you want to just amplify the sound with dis-regrad of acoustic tone
>tone, then the simplest way is to stick a pickup under the strings in
>some manner (usually wedged in the sound hole). Apart from looking
>horrible, you may aswell have a crap electric to my ears.
I put a Dean Markley pickup in the soundhole of my Yamaha 6-string
once and absolutely loved the sound. It still sounded like _my_
acoustic guitar (and I _really_ like the sound of that particular
guitar -- played by other people as well as by myself). I was quite
impressed. I got my amplification without worrying about a microphone,
and didn't have to sacrifice anything.
Now it didn't sound like an electric, and it certainly didn't sound
like crap. I had assumed that it was simply an electric-guitar-style
pickup mounted so that it could be conveniently popped into a soundhole,
but maybe I'm wrong. Anyone out there know what the Dean Markley unit
really is? Is it a counterexample to the quoted text above, or is
it some more complicated device?
D. Glenn Arthur Jr., The Human Vibrator, gl...@bessel.umd.edu
"Being a _man_ means knowing that one has a choice not to act like a 'man'."
(From the "So You Think You're a Man" workshop at Starwood, 1991)
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Jonathan R Avedian
acoustic for about 4 months. It is a humbucker with a piezo pickup that
is connected to the clip. It produces a great sound - very clean and
sounds acoustic. I tried a Dean Markley, but like the DeArmond better.
It is beautiful thru an old Fender Princeton with reverb. Doesn't sound
bad distorted either. My instructor, a professional palyer for almost
10 years, says it is the best one he has heard.
If you can, try one out. I love mine. I paid $60 for it.
Jonathan Avedian
ave...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Steve Davis
>
> I put a Dean Markley pickup in the soundhole of my Yamaha 6-string
> once and absolutely loved the sound. It still sounded like _my_
> acoustic guitar (and I _really_ like the sound of that particular
> guitar -- played by other people as well as by myself). I was quite
> impressed. I got my amplification without worrying about a microphone,
> and didn't have to sacrifice anything.
>
Very interesting. Which model Yamaha do you have, Glenn? I have an
FG-470SA, and I absolutely love it. I would like to get a pickup for it, but
have really no idea where to start. Of course, I would like to maintain a rich
acoustic tone. Any suggestions?
Regards,
Steve Davis
Kennedy Space Center, FL
internet: sda...@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov
Tim Raebig
these the same that Joe Walsh, Peter Frampton, and Richie Sambora used
or are those some expensive, custom pro-model? Any info would
be very appreciated. Thanks, Tim
Raj Ramlagan
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D. Glenn Arthur Jr. writes
>
> I put a Dean Markley pickup in the soundhole of my Yamaha 6-string
> once and absolutely loved the sound. It still sounded like _my_
> acoustic guitar (and I _really_ like the sound of that particular
> guitar -- played by other people as well as by myself). I was quite
> impressed. I got my amplification without worrying about a microphone,
> and didn't have to sacrifice anything.
>
Very interesting. I have a 6-string Yamaha FG-180, what does these
Dean Marleys cost? What amp di you use and how mush does it cost? Is
your guitar a steel or nylon string guitar?
Thanks
Raj (E-mail address: r...@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov)
Seth A Yudof
There really is no such thing as a "custom pro-model" talk box. The
sound that comes out of them doesn't have to be very high quality to get the
job done. So much of the sound quality gets lost going from guitar to
mouth to microphone that it simply doesn't matter.
Regardless, I've been told that the new Heil boxes are great.
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D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
In article <1992Apr15....@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> sda...@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis) writes:
>D. Glenn Arthur Jr. writes
>>
> [About Dean Markeley pickup in soundhole of my Yamaha.]
> Very interesting. Which model Yamaha do you have, Glenn? I have an
>FG-470SA, and I absolutely love it. I would like to get a pickup for it, but
>have really no idea where to start. Of course, I would like to maintain a rich
>acoustic tone. Any suggestions?
I have a twelve year old Yamaha FG331. (Another poster asked for more
info about it -- it's a six-string folk (steel string) guitar, and I've
been using Martin Silk & Steel strings on it for the past several years.)
A "rich acoustic tone" is what I would describe coming out of the speakers
when I played with the Dean Markely. Now this was running through a
mixer being run by a good sound man, mind you, but he said it wasn't
hard to make it sound right.
And yes, I dearly love my Yamaha.
D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
In article <RAJ.92Ap...@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov> r...@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (Raj Ramlagan) writes:
> Very interesting. I have a 6-string Yamaha FG-180, what does these
>Dean Marleys cost? What amp di you use and how mush does it cost? Is
>your guitar a steel or nylon string guitar?
I'm afraid I don't know the answers to most of your questions.
The amp was whatever the tech crew for the Starwood Festival
had set up, and the pickup was also supplied by the sound man.
The guitar is an FG-331 steel-strung, with Martin Selk & Steel on it.
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>
>
> Some people like HAGAMI just don't know what theyre talking about . Hondos >from Japan are great guitars . Its only the neck on your Hondo that me agree . >Keep it somewhere or give it away . Its useless now .I would use the wood to >fix other guitars but I don't think youre a guitar fixer . That fool never >heard of an ICEMAN then he mus'nt talk about guitars at all .
so old, that there is always the possibility that the OP is worm food.. :/
And yes, I once had an acoustic Hondo that was not too bad at all.
But it was a Hondo original, not a 2.. And that was so long ago, it
may be turning into mulch at a land fill by now.
pudentame
than 20 years ago?
Too Long in the Wasteland
tsch...@gmail.com
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 08:44:27 -0800 (PST),
>
> than 20 years ago?
pudentame
be.
elmolove...@gmail.com
the link I posted is what you would want for that guitar I have the same one just looking for original parts for it when I stumbled upon the thread but what ever you do do not destroy the guitar if you want to get rid of it let me know how much you want for it and ill buy it from you Ive had mine for 8 years now
and its the best guitar Ive ever bought even better then my dean Dave Mustaine guitar