difference Behringer TO100 and BO100
FastFolkert
Overdrive 100 and Blues Overdrive 100?
I play mostly clean, but incidently would like to have a more fat and
slightly overdriven tone.
There are some videos on YouTube, but I can't really tell the difference.
Both pedals are in the same (cheap-) ballpark wrt. price.
TIA
Tony Done
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Dunno, but those pedals have a bad rep for reliability - my music store mate
has stopped stocking them for that reason. If you want cheap and very good
in a warm blues tone have look at the Digitech Bad Monkey. I and others have
commented on it favourably in this and the alt.guitar.beginner group. The
Digitech Blues Screamer in the same series is also good, and not at all in
the "screamer" class in spite of its name.
Tony D
FastFolkert
>
> Dunno, but those pedals have a bad rep for reliability - my music store
> mate has stopped stocking them for that reason. If you want cheap and very
> good in a warm blues tone have look at the Digitech Bad Monkey. I and
> others have commented on it favourably in this and the alt.guitar.beginner
> group. The Digitech Blues Screamer in the same series is also good, and
> not at all in the "screamer" class in spite of its name.
>
> Tony D
>
Reliability is not really an issue, since I only use them in-house.
I also have an eq. pedal from Behringer, and although the sliders are a bit
flimsy, it works ok for years now.
I checked out the digitech, but that one is three times as expensive (here
in Europe) as the TO100 and BO100.
FF
dvaoa
What Tony said...I have the "Vintage" Tube OD TO800, a clone of the
Tube Screamer (but a littler gainier). The sound is really good, the
pedal's relatively quiet, but it really is built to shatter into dust
if you drop it on a hard floor or something. The knobs are extra
flimsy, and the foot switch/battery release mechanism is
ridiculous...that said, I've had mine for a few years now, I've played
out with it and it's held up fine. Never dropped it, though...
-d
Dr. Zontar
Fab OD. I did a side-by-side comparison with my Bad Monkey, and it
sounds about 90% as good. It's a little less versitile because it has
one tone knob instead of both bass and treble controls. But the basic
tone is warm, and it has a decent range of gain. It won't do metal,
but it's a good blues and classic rock pedal.
Best of all, I got it used for $10 (US). I think it only goes for
around $15 new. It's plastic, but pretty sturdy. There's also a new
Dano Cool Cat OD that has a metal case and true-bypass switching for
$29.
I'd take Dano pedals over Behringer any day. They have a much better
track record of holding up. I bought a Behringer A/B box that broke
within a week.
- Rich
dvaoa
Rich,
I've actually played all of the above; I have both the Behringer TO800
and the new Dano Cool Cat Drive ($24 from MF...bargain of the year for
what you get). The CCD is an OCD clone (or an attempt to, anyway),
and that's the one I'm using live for both boost & OD. It can dial up
a lot of gain, but it's a little less harsh than the TO800, at least
through my Epi Blues Custom.
In the past, I had a couple young guitar players in my church group
buy the Fab OD...I found them total crap. They were noisy as hell,
and the jacks were really crackly. And I thought they were even
flimsier than the Behringer stomps. I've since had no inclination to
tray any more of those Fab stomps. But the Cool Cat Drive is built
like a tank.
In another thread I started, I mentioned the Visual Sound Open Road
OD...really good sounding stomp. But at $120, it's no longer in the
"budget/bargain" category.
-d
DeeAa
Danelectro is goos&cheap. I have for instance the Transparent OD and
it's good. Marshall line is rather cheap and they're built like tanks,
and that's what I always recommend anyone...worth a try.
Mind you, choosing TS clones is luck of the draw.
Basically, every single TS clone I've tried sounds exactly like the
other in the basic tone, although there are huge differences in what
will work with what amp /input load and what qualities it may have
that annoy or please....AND more than that, they will sound very
different with different amps and guitars.
Sometimes its nigh impossible to tell the difference between an OD-1,
a TS, a BadMonkey, whatever...depends on the overall rig more than the
actual pedal...I bet oftentimes those swearing in the name of a
certain pedal would NOT be able to pick out their favorites in a blind
test.
But, for instance, for me its been Marshall Jackhammer for years now.
Try as I might, I can't find an OD pedal that would sound better with
my rig. It's just like any other OD pedal out there but somehow it's
got a square wave frequency or output level or impedance or whatever
that is just right - a real JCM800 in a box with my amp.
But mileage may differ.
Cheers,
Dee
White Spirit
The TO100 is a Tubescreamer clone and is pretty authentic. It's not as
warm as the TS808 models and has more gain and volume than a
Tubescreamer but you can make it sound very close to a TS9.
FastFolkert
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......if it turns out to be slightly dissapointing, I could always try to
mod it into a "real" TS808 or TS9.
FF
White Spirit
> Thx for the info; I just ordered one.
> ......if it turns out to be slightly dissapointing, I could always try to
> mod it into a "real" TS808 or TS9.
I don't think it'll disappoint just as long as you don't drop it. The
thing with the TO800 is that the level, tone and distortion controls
have a bit more range than a real Tubescreamer. I bought one to take to
rehearsal in place of my TS5 after the input jack started playing up (I
leave my TS9 at home and only take it to gigs). It works just as well
but I wouldn't gig with it.
Dr. Zontar
> In the past, I had a couple young guitar players in my church group
> buy the Fab OD...I found them total crap. They were noisy as hell,
> and the jacks were really crackly. And I thought they were even
> flimsier than the Behringer stomps.
Hmm... I have 3 of the Fab pedals (OD, Chorus and Echo). So far I've
had no noise or crackling. I also have a bunch of the older Dano mini
pedals (Chicken Salad, French Toast, Rocky Road, etc.). They've all
held up well over the years. BUT - the French Toast picks up radio
signals. Putting a high-gain fuzz in a plastic case was NOT a good
idea.
And like I said, the first Behringer pedal I bought (the A/B box)
broke within a week. I just picked up the Behringer SF300 Fuzz, so
let's see how long that lasts.
> But the Cool Cat Drive is built
> like a tank.
I have the Cool Cat Fuzz and Trem. I had the Vibe for a while, but
sold it. All of them are seriously sturdy pedals.
- Rich
dvaoa
> On Oct 3, 10:38 am, dvaoa <dv...@altavista.com> wrote:
>
> > In the past, I had a couple young guitar players in my church group
> > buy the Fab OD...I found them total crap. They were noisy as hell,
> > and the jacks were really crackly. And I thought they were even
> > flimsier than the Behringer stomps.
>
> Hmm... I have 3 of the Fab pedals (OD, Chorus and Echo). So far I've
> had no noise or crackling.
With the cheaper pedals, I'm guessing quality control and lot-to-lot
discrepancies are more up for grabs than some of the better built
toys. The two Fab boxes I mentioned were probably built on a Chinese
Friday payday ;-)
>
> I have the Cool Cat Fuzz and Trem. I had the Vibe for a while, but
> sold it. All of them are seriously sturdy pedals.
How do you like the CC Fuzz? The sound clips I've heard didn't sound
all thaqt fuzzy or sludgy.
-d
FastFolkert
OK, I'm looking forward to testing it ;-)
FF
Jim
Does it use surface mounted components??? If so, don't count on modding!
Behringer is land fill waiting to happen. It breaks easy, it's hard to
fix, and you can buy used (working, ready to break) cheaper than fixing it!
Digitech Bad Monkey is an excellent budget choice for simple OD.
Dan Electro Daddy-O is a good choice for going beyond the gain range of
the Bad Monkey. Will do Marshall type tones.
Both are quality metal construction.
Dr. Zontar
> How do you like the CC Fuzz? The sound clips I've heard didn't sound
> all that fuzzy or sludgy.
It reminds me of the black Russian Big Muff. It straddles the line
between a distortion and fuzz. But at high settings it gets sludgy. I
like it better than the Way Huge Swollen Pickle I spent $150 on. But
it won't replace my Boss FZ-2 or Ibanez Tonelock Fuzz.
Jeez... I have too many fuzz pedals... but I still want more (Univox,
Shin-Ei, Visual Sound, MXR Blue Box, etc.). This could get expensive.
- Rich
Dr. Zontar
> Dan Electro Daddy-O is a good choice for going beyond the gain range of
> the Bad Monkey. Will do Marshall type tones.
I've read reviews that claimed the Daddy-O is based on the orignal
Marshall Guv'nor. Is this true?
- Rich
FastFolkert
>> ......if it turns out to be slightly dissapointing, I could always try to
>> mod it into a "real" TS808 or TS9.
>>
>> FF
>
> Does it use surface mounted components??? If so, don't count on modding!
>
> Behringer is land fill waiting to happen. It breaks easy, it's hard to
> fix, and you can buy used (working, ready to break) cheaper than fixing
> it!
Yes, it's SMD, incl. the opamp.
However, I think I'm capable of placing a DIP 8 pin socket on the board to
try various opamps.
Acc. to info on the WWW. the circuit of the TO100 is (almost) equal to the
TS9; which in turn is close to a TS808.....
Anyway, only the box and the three potmeters alone makes modding easy (for
only 9,70 Euro here in Holland = USD 14)
But maybe I don't need to mod at all, if the sound suits my needs ;-)
YMMV, Folkert
White Spirit
> Yes, it's SMD, incl. the opamp.
> However, I think I'm capable of placing a DIP 8 pin socket on the board to
> try various opamps.
> Acc. to info on the WWW. the circuit of the TO100 is (almost) equal to the
> TS9; which in turn is close to a TS808.....
> Anyway, only the box and the three potmeters alone makes modding easy (for
> only 9,70 Euro here in Holland = USD 14)
> But maybe I don't need to mod at all, if the sound suits my needs ;-)
You could buy a broken pedal on Ebay with a metal case and transfer the
contents of the Behringer if you like the sound of it. I've been
thinking of doing that with mine. Or just use the case of my Boss DS-1,
which I hate.
dvaoa
> Or just use the case of my Boss DS-1,
> which I hate.
Or, you can send that DS1 to Monte Alums for a killer mod:
http://www.monteallums.com/pedal_mods.html
-d
Tony Done
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That isn't especially easy on cheap pedals, because the pots, switch and
sockets will very likely be mounted direct on the pcb. - As they are on my
2-knob Behringer compressor (this one isn't so bad because it is in a metal
case, Dynacomp style). The switch would be the trickiest on mine, because it
isn't mechanical, it uses a s/s device on the pcb. OK for someone strong in
electronics, but beyond my present confidence level.
Tony D