Fender Superchamp or Rivera Pubster ?
grifty
about the same. I'm looking for good reverb and strong bass response.
Which one is the best?
Sac Dave
"grifty" <grif...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I'm wondering which amp to get although some reviews say they are
> about the same. I'm looking for good reverb and strong bass response.
> Which one is the best?
You really to go out and try them. Plus $330 champ verses $800 bubster.
I've only played one Rivera amp a Venus 6 112
(http://www.rivera.com/products/venus/venus6_112.php) One of the best Amps
I've played but it just a tad bit more than the bubster.
Nil
I don't know the Pubster, but a buddy of mine has two Super Champs, and
they sound great.
Squier
Are you talking about the Rivera designed Fender Super Champ amp from the 1980's
or the current production "Super Champ XD" ?
If it's the original Super Champ amp (reverb/vibrato, dual 6V6 for 18 watts
and 12 inch speaker) then it's a no brainer. Go with the 1980's Super Champ
and you'll have a killer portable small club gig machine and nice home
practice and recording amp. It's also hand wired, easily serviced
and will only go up in value.
If it's the current Super Champ XD.. then I can't say since I have
no personal experience with it although some others here have had
great things to say about it.
Les Cargill
>> grifty <grif...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering which amp to get although some reviews say they are
>> about the same. I'm looking for good reverb and strong bass response.
>> Which one is the best?
>
> Are you talking about the Rivera designed Fender Super Champ amp from the 1980's
> or the current production "Super Champ XD" ?
>
> If it's the original Super Champ amp (reverb/vibrato, dual 6V6 for 18 watts
> and 12 inch speaker) then it's a no brainer. Go with the 1980's Super Champ
> and you'll have a killer portable small club gig machine and nice home
> practice and recording amp. It's also hand wired, easily serviced
> and will only go up in value.
>
Those things attract a very, very loyal following. Fender
really should reissue it, even on PC board.
> If it's the current Super Champ XD.. then I can't say since I have
> no personal experience with it although some others here have had
> great things to say about it.
I'd *REALLY* like to A/B the two (XD, not-XD) myself. The XD and the
Pubster look a lot alike, except for the preamp.
Also - Fender has reissued the '65 Princeton Reverb. Definitely
in the same weight class, and I bet it's worth checking out.
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Les Cargill
grifty
condition but the treble is way too high. I don't want to mod it and
lose the value so I'm thinking about selling it for a Pubster. FYI the
going price on old Superchamps is about $700. About the same or more
than a used Pubster.
boardjunkie
> Squier wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
A Super Champ *is* a pc board amp. Always was.....
Les Cargill
> I'm the original poster and I currently own an old Superchamp in mint
> condition but the treble is way too high.
With the internal speaker for an XD, the treble is also way too high.
> I don't want to mod it and
> lose the value so I'm thinking about selling it for a Pubster. FYI the
> going price on old Superchamps is about $700. About the same or more
> than a used Pubster.
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Les Cargill
Squier
you don't need to mod the amp - just take out the original
speaker and set it aside. The get yourself a nice smooth
speaker that will get rid of the treble spike.
When or if you ever want to sell it you'll still have
a ncie sounding 8 ohm speaker and just put back in the
original (Jensen) speaker.
I have used Eminence Texas Heat and Eminence Cannibis Rex.
Both excellent speakers with no spikey treble - but still
retain a little sparkle/chime. The Cannibis Rex is especially
smooth and fat sounding and it's efficient so the Super Champ
sounds way huge with the Rex speaker. This is just (imho) but
worked for me when I had a Champ II (basically nearly the same
as the Super Champ but it didn't have reverb/tremolo).
That Champ II is still in our family and it still has the
replacement Cannibis Rex speaker in it (the original Jensen
was packed away somewhere). Sounds great.
FWIW - some 12 inch speakers won't fit in there without some
heavy mods or a completely new baffle board and some amp components
moved to different places on the chassis. The Texas Heat and Cannibis Rex
fit in there with no problems. Some of the real huge magnet speakers
had some problems although apparently somehow they were able to
squeeze a factory upgrade EV12 in there (which has a huge magnet
and weighs like 20+ lbs which means the baffle board must be strong).
But if yours has the EV12 then that speaker alone is worth $100 or more.
But save it and then install new speaker. The EV12 is a very bright
PA type speaker that gets real loud but also has a tendency to be
overly bright until you open it up to deafening levels.
Actually some Mesa/Boogies also had this same EV12 speaker in them.
I think it's overkill for the Super Champ and is a bad choice (imho).
And I do agree the usual ceramic Jensen installed is bright and it
tends to overly accentuate brightness with single coils.
You are right in that there are a lot of mods for the older Super Champs
but a speaker change takes care of messing around trying to make the
Jensen C12 or the EV12 sound good in that amp. (imho)
grifty
set up for a 10" pattern?
White Spirit
> How do you replace a 10" speaker with a 12" speaker? Aren't the screws
> set up for a 10" pattern?
You drill some new holes. This entails using a drill bit that is
slightly smaller than the width of the screws, known as making a 'pilot
hole'. For precise results, I recommend the use of an electric drill.
Adams661
You cut the speaker hole in the baffle board larger if a 12" will fit
at all. Drill the holes for the screws (machine swcrews) larger than
the screw ,insert them from the front of the amp and use nuts on the
back side of the speaker to secure it. A change of speakers wouldnt do
near as much for you as changing the tone caps to .1 mfd would on the
Super Champ. I'd keep the Fender personally
Adams661
PS
Besides the caps working much better for calming treble . It would be
a hell of a lot cheaper
($2.50 compared to $100 ? )than buying a speaker that you dont need
Derek
>you don't need to mod the amp - just take out the original
>speaker and set it aside. The get yourself a nice smooth
>speaker that will get rid of the treble spike.
>When or if you ever want to sell it you'll still have
>a ncie sounding 8 ohm speaker and just put back in the
>original (Jensen) speaker.
>I have used Eminence Texas Heat and Eminence Cannibis Rex.
>Both excellent speakers with no spikey treble - but still
>retain a little sparkle/chime.
I completely agree with this assessment. I really like Rivera amps,
but I would not sell the Fender. In addition to value going up, with
tube upgrade and a speaker swap, you can really get it to sing.
grifty
fit right in?
Les Cargill
> Can someone recommend a 10" speaker with good bass response that would
> fit right in?
The one that comes with it is not bad - just too trebly. Any 1X10"
in an open-back cab is a compromise. This being said, ( I have not
done this ) I would probably go with a Ragin' Cajun because it's
a 75W speaker.
But I run the thing thru a closed back cabinet, and it
works very well. YMMV.
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Les Cargill