What is the best non-gibson Les-Paul copy?
Andrew G. Reid
copy was...NON Gibson. I mean, if someone wanted a fairly inexpensive
copy of a Les Paul, what brand would they go for, in terms of
Gibson-esque sound and quality?
Andrew Reid
er...@nfld.com
Jonathan Krogh
Andrew G. Reid wrote in message <35C62B...@nfld.com>...
MBenn74966
I used to have one made by Hohner that was black and stayed in tune well. It
also sounded real powerful and looked nice. I used it through a Fender Concert
Amp which seemed to help also.
I think the most important feature of "copies" is that they stay in tune well !
Dennis Martin Salguero
Jonathan Krogh <j-gk...@carib-link.net> wrote:
>Epiphone!
I completely agree. When I bought my Epi LP Standard, I had tried everything else.
I started off by trying the LP Special II and then the LP 100 and I must say that
the Special II was A LOT better than the LP 100. Then the owner put the Standard in
my hands and it _completely_ blew the other 2 out of the water. I would definitely
take a long hard look at the Epiphone LP Standard. I think that you could easily
make an argument to say that there are very little difference between these and the
Gibson LP Standards, besides the price of course. The best part of getting the Epi
is that since they are a part of Gibson, you get the same customes service as the
Gibson LPs. If you look har enough, you can find the LP Standards for less that
$500.
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Charvel750
to bear Les Paul's signature. He would not put his name on any other copy.
Enough said.
Copytekk
specs.
+~ Aaron Flexer ~+
stormin
copy arena. Washburn makes a guitar that is structurally similar to a
LP, but looks different.... you might check them out for kicks.
Hammer makes some great LP-style guitars, but they can cost almost as
much as a Gibson. I have a Vantage LP copy made back in the 70s. I
picked it up for $100. It has a set neck, good tuners, solid
mahogany, and DiMarzio pickups.... great little guitar for a copy...
don't think they are made any more. Someone else in this thread
mentioned a Hohner. I have never played a Hohner LP, but I have one
of their tele copies, and what a great little guitar! craftsmanship
and quality right up there with the real teles...one of my favorites.
The Epiphone LP Standards are absolute bargains... you can get new
ones for less than $400. In my opinion a LP copy with a bolt on neck
is not an LP.... has to be set neck. good luck!
Jim Einarson
Without a doubt, the Tokai "Love Rock" is the best production Les Paul
replica ever produced. They are relatively rare, and people are becoming
more aware of their quality and value (the last two I saw for sale on the
net were going for $800 and $900 US), but if you stumble across one in a
pawn shop or a used music store where they really don't know what they
have, BUY IT!! I bought mine for $375 Canadian, and I have yet to find a
Gibson I like as much.
MBenn74966 (mbenn...@aol.com) writes:
>>I was wondering what the most affordable and best quality Les Paul
>
> I used to have one made by Hohner that was black and stayed in tune well. It
> also sounded real powerful and looked nice. I used it through a Fender Concert
> Amp which seemed to help also.
> I think the most important feature of "copies" is that they stay in tune well !
>
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Jim Einarson
He is NOT LEGALLY PERMITTED to put his name on anything but Gibson
instruments. It has nothing to do with relative quality of the
"copies" available on the market <DUH!>
Aaron Turner
: I think the most important feature of "copies" is that they stay in tune well !
So not much like the real thing then :-)
Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner
: Hi! I was wondering what the most affordable and best quality Les Paul
: copy was...NON Gibson. I mean, if someone wanted a fairly inexpensive
: copy of a Les Paul, what brand would they go for, in terms of
: Gibson-esque sound and quality?
Aria PE - coil taps too. Gordon Smith do Gibsonesque guitars hand-built
for close to Epiphone prices (not copies per se)
Aaron Turner
Richard E. Peek
> Hi! I was wondering what the most affordable and best quality Les Paul
> copy was...NON Gibson.
I bought an Epiphone LP Classic Birdseye. Awesome guitar. I play
through a Marshall JTM 312. It's got great tone. Looks great. Only one
complaing ( It's an Epi problem, my Sheraton II has it also ). Tuners
suck on strings heavier than 10's. I play 11's, so I'm replacing the
tuners on both my Epi's with Sperzels.
Spayd
the Epi Les Paul Custom.. it was REALLY REALLY great!
>copy of a Les Paul, what brand would they go for, in terms of
>Gibson-esque sound and quality?
>
>er...@nfld.com
Mr. t
Mike Hartigan wrote in message <6q8fhm$64r$4...@eve.enteract.com>...
>Andrew G. Reid recently enlightened us with:
>> Hi! I was wondering what the most affordable and best quality Les Paul
>> copy was...NON Gibson. I mean, if someone wanted a fairly inexpensive
>> copy of a Les Paul, what brand would they go for, in terms of
>> Gibson-esque sound and quality?
I just bought a Epiphone les paul with Birdseye maple top and seymore
duncan pickups and it is sweet. and at $400, it was $450 cheaper than the
best deal I could get on a Gibson , but then it is a Gibson.
I plugged the epi and a Gibson into the same amp and then went back and
forth playing them. Feel, action and sound; I'd hate to split the
difference.
Mike Hartigan
his sig on the Epi says something for the Epi.
Jim Einarson recently enlightened us with:
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> Hi! I was wondering what the most affordable and best quality Les Paul
> copy was...NON Gibson. I mean, if someone wanted a fairly inexpensive
> copy of a Les Paul, what brand would they go for, in terms of
> Gibson-esque sound and quality?
I assume, from your description of what you're looking for, Epiphone is
'NON Gibson' enough. If that's the case, then I would strongly
recommend you look at one. I have a black Les Paul Custom. It's got
the tone, feel, and, most importantly, the LOOKS (after all, aren't
looks the reason we decided to play the guitar in the first place? ;) of
it's big brother Gibson. And at around $500, it's MUCH more affordable.
And it's the only copy that can legitimately call itself a 'Les Paul'.
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Milan Plechata
wrote:
>Hi! I was wondering what the most affordable and best quality Les Paul
>copy was...NON Gibson. I mean, if someone wanted a fairly inexpensive
>copy of a Les Paul, what brand would they go for, in terms of
>Gibson-esque sound and quality?
For 'gibsonesque' sound and quality, buy a Gibson. Just save your cash
for a while. You'll be glad you did.
Milan
>
>Andrew Reid
>er...@nfld.com
Milan Plechata
wrote:
>This may be so, but I would like to think that the fact that he DID put
>his sig on the Epi says something for the Epi.
It says Epiphone is owned by Gibson..
Milan
Milan Plechata
Martin Salguero) wrote:
>In article <6q5m6c$nj5$1...@news.carib-link.net>,
>Jonathan Krogh <j-gk...@carib-link.net> wrote:
>>Epiphone!
>make an argument to say that there are very little difference between these and the
>Gibson LP Standards, besides the price of course. The best part of getting the Epi
the price, the thickness of the top, multi or single piece
bodies/necks, pickups, materials... Yep.. They're essentially the same
guitar with a different name on the headstock. Some of the Epis are
nice, but they're not just Gibsons with a different name.
Milan
>is that since they are a part of Gibson, you get the same customes service as the
>Gibson LPs. If you look har enough, you can find the LP Standards for less that
>$500.
>
>>
>>Andrew G. Reid wrote in message <35C62B...@nfld.com>...
>>>Hi! I was wondering what the most affordable and best quality Les Paul
>>>copy was...NON Gibson. I mean, if someone wanted a fairly inexpensive
>>>copy of a Les Paul, what brand would they go for, in terms of
>>>Gibson-esque sound and quality?
>>>
Milan Plechata
wrote:
>Usually I'm pretty non-epiphone.. heh heh.. but at the Ozzfest 8/2, I tried
Um, that was August first. You were in Raleigh too? Was there or was
there not really a wet t-shirt contest? The guy on the main stage
introducing the acts mentioned one, but I didn't see/hear of it after
that.
Milan
Spayd
ozzfest date of this year. No wet t-shirt contest, who needed it? They had
the painted tits booth there.. heh.
Milan Plechata wrote in message <35c7c766...@news.earthlink.net>...
John McEvoy
Copytekk wrote in message
<199808040335...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>Why not Heritage LP's? They are made in the old Gibson factory to Gibson
>specs.
>+~ Aaron Flexer ~+
I think they're better...jm
Frank Yang
>On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:58:17 -0230, "Andrew G. Reid" <er...@nfld.com>
>wrote:
>
>>copy was...NON Gibson. I mean, if someone wanted a fairly inexpensive
>>copy of a Les Paul, what brand would they go for, in terms of
>>Gibson-esque sound and quality?
>
>for a while. You'll be glad you did.
>
>Milan
>
Sonically, if not cosmetically, Hamers are the best double 'bucker, mahogany
set-neck axes around. And the Archtops look like the Gibson DCs, so they
could count as LP-types. To call 'em Gibson copies is doing Hamer a
disservice, though. Excellent guitars.
Frank Yang
University Of Waterloo
"I'm Not An Engineer, But I Play One On TV"
Aaron Turner
: For 'gibsonesque' sound and quality, buy a Gibson. Just save your cash
: for a while. You'll be glad you did.
Dunno. Played a friend's Les Paul Studio (brand new) and it felt awful.
Another friends Aria PE is a much nicer feeling guitar. And a lot cheaper,
and sounds nice too.
Aaron Turner
Dale Pietrzak
a pickup switch they are real similar to the studio in size, with
a little binding and nicer top found on many Epi's.
Interestingly, when I was looking for an LP copy I settled on the
Samick LC-650 (the other models are not the same as the LC-650).
They make the Epi's for Gibson. It was a better put together
version of the Epi in my book, with a lower price tag. Nice
setneck copy. I did a review of it a while back for one of the
guitar groups, a deja search on the LC-650 should turn it up.
BTW, I did an earlier Harmony Central review, before I had some
information corrected from Samick, so if you check there alter my
review to included mahogany body-maple top, and lacquer finish.
I am picking it up this week after getting a 57 classic and 57
plus put in.
Dale
Mike Hartigan
I tend to think (maybe I'm naive) that Mr. Paul's endorsement is, at
least, an acknowledgement of some minimum standard. I assume that he
has some contractual say in whether or not his sig will appear on an
instrument, lest Gibson unilaterally dilutes the value of the name.
stormin
take his name off of the guitar known now as the SG because he hated
it. He wouldn't put his name on something he doesn't like. Who said
DUH?
Mike Hartigan <hart...@enteract.dot.com> wrote:
>This may be so, but I would like to think that the fact that he DID put
>his sig on the Epi says something for the Epi.
>Jim Einarson recently enlightened us with:
Milan Plechata
wrote:
>Uh, no, that was August 2nd, Nissan Pavillion near Washington D.C.. last
>ozzfest date of this year. No wet t-shirt contest, who needed it? They had
>the painted tits booth there.. heh.
I would have been happy with a painted tits booth.. But, NOO.. They
had to tease me with the promise of a wet t-shirt contest that
probably didn't take place.. Oh, well.. The show was pretty good.
Milan
CHuff25590
stock to look like the word GIBSON, and at a small distance it looks like it.
It also has the diamond inlays on the headstock.
Must be 30 years old or more. It was a great guitar.... think I bought it ( 3rd
hand ) for $150 back in 1974.
Finally bought the real thing a few years ago. Keeping the old SAKOVA for the
kids to learn on...
Milan Plechata
>Why not Heritage LP's? They are made in the old Gibson factory to Gibson
>specs.
>+~ Aaron Flexer ~+
Not really.. Their bodies are a little smaller, and their shapes are a
little different.
Milan
Milan Plechata
Yang) wrote:
>In article <35c7c7ca...@news.earthlink.net>, mpl...@clemson.edu (Milan Plechata) wrote:
>>On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:58:17 -0230, "Andrew G. Reid" <er...@nfld.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Hi! I was wondering what the most affordable and best quality Les Paul
>>>copy was...NON Gibson. I mean, if someone wanted a fairly inexpensive
>>>copy of a Les Paul, what brand would they go for, in terms of
>>>Gibson-esque sound and quality?
>>
>>For 'gibsonesque' sound and quality, buy a Gibson. Just save your cash
>>for a while. You'll be glad you did.
>>
>>Milan
>>
>
>Sonically, if not cosmetically, Hamers are the best double 'bucker, mahogany
>set-neck axes around. And the Archtops look like the Gibson DCs, so they
That would be your opinion. I don't think you can beat a Les Paul for
a double humbucker mahogany guitar, but that's my opinion.
Milan
Milan Plechata
>Milan Plechata (mpl...@clemson.edu) wrote:
>: For 'gibsonesque' sound and quality, buy a Gibson. Just save your cash
>: for a while. You'll be glad you did.
>
>Dunno. Played a friend's Les Paul Studio (brand new) and it felt awful.
>Another friends Aria PE is a much nicer feeling guitar. And a lot cheaper,
>and sounds nice too.
>
> Aaron Turner
I don't like the Studios either.. I much prefer my Standard.
Milan
Aaron Turner
: I don't like the Studios either.. I much prefer my Standard.
The problem to me seemed to be a bad feel neckwise. Does the neck vary
between Studios and Standards? (I don't play many Les Pauls - I prefer
Fenders, and if I was going to get something Gibsonesque I'd most likely
search around for a nice Gordon Smith)
Aaron Turner
div...@yahoo.com
Not sure how available they are, but I thought the Ibanez Les Paul copies
were supposed to be among the best...that's why Gibson sued them to stop
making them in the '70s. From what I've seen, they trade for something
like $300-$400, but I may be a little off. Don't think you can get
any other "vintage" instrument (they're around 20 years old now) for
such a cheap price.
In article <35C62B...@nfld.com>,
"Andrew G. Reid" <er...@nfld.com> wrote:
> Hi! I was wondering what the most affordable and best quality Les Paul
> copy was...NON Gibson. I mean, if someone wanted a fairly inexpensive
> copy of a Les Paul, what brand would they go for, in terms of
> Gibson-esque sound and quality?
>
> Andrew Reid
> er...@nfld.com
>
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>
>Not sure how available they are, but I thought the Ibanez Les Paul copies
>were supposed to be among the best...that's why Gibson sued them to stop
>making them in the '70s. From what I've seen, they trade for something
>like $300-$400, but I may be a little off. Don't think you can get
>any other "vintage" instrument (they're around 20 years old now) for
>such a cheap price.
>
Th Ibanez copies WERE very good sounding and playing guitars, but that wasn't
the basis of the lawsuit. The problem was that Ibanez was aping the Les Paul
EXACTLY, in terms of cosmetics. Right down to the headstock, which is the
only trademark-able part of the guitar. Ibanez tries to bring these things
into the US, they're in copyright infringement. Therefore, Ibanez had to
change the headstocks. Everything else, I believe, is fair game. Gibson
wouldn't have had a case if they tried to sue them on quality... "but your
honour - their guitars sound too much better than ours!"
g-mane
f2y...@engmail.uwaterloo.ca (Frank Yang) wrote:
Tokai also made a very good LP copy, the "Love Rock."
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I didn't mean it was the legal basis of the lawsuit, just that it was in
their strong interest to have a lawsuit. Gibson can charge premium prices
since they have an established brand name. Then, Ibanez comes along, makes a
guitar that's 80-90% as good, but for a fraction of the cost...I don't see
how there *couldn't* have been a lawsuit of some kind...
But I guess epis cover that end of the market now, pretty smart business
move.
terr
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Milan Plechata
>
>
>Not sure how available they are, but I thought the Ibanez Les Paul copies
>were supposed to be among the best...that's why Gibson sued them to stop
>making them in the '70s. From what I've seen, they trade for something
>like $300-$400, but I may be a little off. Don't think you can get
>any other "vintage" instrument (they're around 20 years old now) for
>such a cheap price.
I once saw a Lefty Ibanez LP copy at a local flea market. The guy had
it set up for a righty, and I had just bought a Gibson LP Std, so I
didn't really want it at the time.. It looked pretty close to the real
thing, though..
Milan
Dethstryk
>Epiphone is the best non-Gibson Les Paul because their copies are the only ones
>to bear Les Paul's signature. He would not put his name on any other copy.
>Enough said.
James Hetfield has a new custom ESP Les Paul based guitar. It sounds
great. Saw him play it in concert 8/2.
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Getdough
jim
getd...@aol.com (Getdough) wrote:
> the prs guitars are the most expensive gibson rip-offs.
After playing my 78 ibanez lawsuit for 19 years, I was in the market for a
new lp. I tried about 10 studios, gibson, and realized what a steal the
old ibanez's were. I can't believe the how average the quality is on these
guitars they're are charging almost a $1000 for. I'm afraid to even try a
prs.
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jim
APinne1002
the logo on the headstock it is a LesPaul! The headstock is identical, pickups
look the same (though I imagine they are junk), everything looks right. It
weighs like the real deal too. This one has the most incredible top on it. I'm
very tempted to buy it. I didn't have time to play it when I saw it. If anybody
knows what these are going for or how they play drop me a line.
Jerry
Marshall The Sound Of Rock!
Kamchak Tuchuk
(APinne1002) wrote:
Hondo's aren't worth getting too excited over.
They're ok beginner guitars. It may look like a
Les Paul but believe me, it isn't. But, if it
plays good, fits your price point and you like it,
that's all ya need to know eh? Me? I'd pass....