which guitar for most sustain?
proletariat
PS - you can skip the smartass answers, I am asking a serious question, so
show off your expertise not with a wisecrack, but rather a correct answer.
cowboy
litepipe
proletariat <m...@myhouse.com> wrote in message
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> which models of electric guitars are known for having the most sustain?
>
> PS - you can skip the smartass answers, I am asking a serious question, so
> show off your expertise not with a wisecrack, but rather a correct answer.
Les Paul
--Roger
Count Scrofula
>
> PS - you can skip the smartass answers, I am asking a serious question, so
> show off your expertise not with a wisecrack, but rather a correct answer.
Don't tell us to skip the smartass answers, particularly when faced by a
dumbass question
>
> cowboy
>
>
Dave Lalonde
Count Scrofula wrote:
Why was that a dumbass question?
>>
>>
Adam Childers
Your amp, pedals and amount of distortion have different things to do with
this. So look at all of these factors. But, Les Paul's are infamous for
their sustain, but my PRS sustains just as long as my Les Paul.
Count Scrofula
Dave Lalonde <dlal...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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It's a lot like "what guitar is best" or "what guitar is prettiest."
sure, you can measure sustain, but it varies widely from guitar to guitar,
even of the exact same model. this is wood we're talking about, and every
piece is different. some may resonate better at certain frequencies, or with
certain string gauges, or with different string attack strengths. I'd
suppose some sort of neck-through design (not set neck, although some folks
like to confuse the two) would be best for sustain purposes, but sustain
alone doesn't make the best guitar by a long shot.
> >>
> >>
>
TAPKAE
> which models of electric guitars are known for having the most sustain?
Fernandes.
--e
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"Speak truth to Power."
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Rev Jim
> which models of electric guitars are known for having the most sustain?
cb, I'm a voracious reader, not a guitar expert since i've had the same guitar for 45 years. I had read articles about
great differences in sustain in different guitars and some different between the same guitars made on different days.
Sustain requires an interaction between the string and the ends (nodes) which support it. It requires little or no
mid-string influence such as coil magnets to reduce vibrations. The chamber on a large acoustic adds to the sustain.
Some woods such as cedar tops add to sustain and since cedar is a low density wood I suspect the tree/growth years and
humitidy also are factors. Poor neck-to-body contact reduces sustain. If sustain is important, do as others have, go
to the factory store where you can play 10 or so and pick the best one. However, most of these guitar-authors who have
bought their prizes in that fashion were more concerned with that 'magic' sound than sustain.
How about a 'sustain' contest?
TAPKAE
> How about a 'sustain' contest?
I'm good for about 2 hours. The girlie loves it.
feklar
Then it really won't matter what guitar you use...
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Lu2
"proletariat" <m...@myhouse.com> je napisao u poruci interesnoj
grupi:3PmcnXYSjIj...@comcast.com...
> which models of electric guitars are known for having the most sustain?
any travis bean guitar will do just fine...
> PS - you can skip the smartass answers, I am asking a serious question, so
> show off your expertise not with a wisecrack, but rather a correct answer.
is mine a smartass answer?
lu2
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"TAPKAE" <e...@shit.com> wrote in message news:BAD2191C.1C5D7%e...@shit.com...
> "Rev Jim" fell for this old hogwash:
>
>
> > How about a 'sustain' contest?
>
>
> I'm good for about 2 hours. The girlie loves it.
>
Because that's two hours that you're locked in the bathroom and not bugging
her?
Sorry, couldn't resist....
:-)
--
Thad
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CanadianTechGuru
the guitar, but of everything in the signal chain, including the player.
If you want to limit the discussion strictly to the physical properties
of the guitar, then there are a few factors to consider.
Strings are tensioned across two fixed points on a solid mass. The
length of time the strings will vibrate is proportional to the amount of
energy applied to the strings, the damping characteristics of the
suspending mass (everything that supports the strings) and pickup
sensitivity.
The more body mass and neck to body rigidity a guitar has, the less
resonance it has and therefor the damping effect of the body is
minimized. Less damping means that strings vibrate longer.
Guitars in the Les Paul style (glued or thru-body beck, mahogany body
with a maple cap, high output double coil pickups, etc) tend to
naturally sustain better than guitars who's bodies have less mass, necks
have less positive a joint to the body and single coil pickups.
Of course, I have often maintained that the natural sustaining
properties of a guitar are hardly relevant anymore, since we all use
some sort of processing and any guitar can be processed into sustaining
its notes forever...
CTG
Dave Lalonde
Count Scrofula wrote:
>It's a lot like "what guitar is best" or "what guitar is prettiest."
>
>sure, you can measure sustain, but it varies widely from guitar to guitar,
>even of the exact same model. this is wood we're talking about, and every
>piece is different. some may resonate better at certain frequencies, or with
>certain string gauges, or with different string attack strengths. I'd
>suppose some sort of neck-through design (not set neck, although some folks
>like to confuse the two) would be best for sustain purposes, but sustain
>alone doesn't make the best guitar by a long shot.
>
I agree with everything you say. Why didn't you just say that to the guy
instead putting him down for asking what he probably thought was a
legitimate question and knowing he'd attract responses like the one you
gave him.
Count Zero
On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:09:14 -0400, "proletariat" <m...@myhouse.com>
wrote:
IMVHO Guitars with "set through" necks.
I have an Ibanez MC-150 and a Washburn A-20 both with that type of
construction and both have very good sustain. I would give the Ibanez
and 8 and the Washburn a 9 in that category.
The washburn with 2 Dimarzios has the better and more crunchy sound.
In their price range (<500$) they seem to be pretty "sustaining". ;-))
.02
Count
TAPKAE
> There is no single correct answer.
Ah but there is. Its Fernandes.
Sanitarium
Garrett
CTPAYC
> Guitars in the Les Paul style (glued or thru-body beck, mahogany body
> with a maple cap, high output double coil pickups, etc) tend to
> naturally sustain better than guitars who's bodies have less mass, necks
> have less positive a joint to the body and single coil pickups.
How do pickups affect the sustain?!? It is the body and the neck that
are produces the sound from a string, aren't they?
Rev Jim
Change that wood from cedar to spruce. I thank you.
Rev Jim
> How do pickups affect the sustain?!?
A strong magnet in close proximity dampens the vibrations, reducing sustain.
CanadianTechGuru
TAPKAE wrote:
> "CanadianTechGuru" fell for this old hogwash:
>
>
>>There is no single correct answer.
>
>
> Ah but there is. Its Fernandes.
That's funny!
Bruce Oliver
Bruce
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"Count Scrofula" <x...@xxx.axsbestxosjustxice.com> wrote in message news:EJ1ra.522$vr5.81...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
He didn't ask what was the best guitar, he asked "which guitar for the most sustain?"
Nothing about tone, quality, nothing else, just what do we, as readers here, think is the guitar with the most sustain . . . good question, I think.
And you are correct that many factors go into how a guitar acts, but he wasn't asking that either.
Just sustain.
Mic
tiglath
He doesn't know, but couldn't find a better way to be obnoxious.
tiglath
>
>
> > How about a 'sustain' contest?
>
>
> I'm good for about 2 hours. The girlie loves it.
There is much you musn't let her know...
tiglath
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> news:3EACA191...@adelphia.net...
> >
> >
> > Count Scrofula wrote:
> >
> > >proletariat <m...@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> > >news:3PmcnXYSjIj...@comcast.com...
> > >
> > >
> > >>which models of electric guitars are known for having the most
sustain?
> > >>
> > >>PS - you can skip the smartass answers, I am asking a serious
question,
> so
> > >>show off your expertise not with a wisecrack, but rather a correct
> answer.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >Don't tell us to skip the smartass answers, particularly when faced by
a
> > >dumbass question
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>cowboy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > Why was that a dumbass question?
> >
>
>
> It's a lot like "what guitar is best" or "what guitar is prettiest."
>
> sure, you can measure sustain,
This is a glaring contradiction.
Something that can't be measured is concrete, and is not in the slightest
like "what guitar is prettiest" which is abstract and subjective, or "what
guitar is best," which is vague.
Some people have the knack for missing great opportunities to shut up.
To answer the original question. Les Paul guitars have excellent sustain,
but look also at through-neck guitars, like Brian Moore's MC/1P. Mine has
more sustain than my Les Paul Standard. Proper amp settings can easily
blur those differences though.
> but it varies widely from guitar to guitar,
> even of the exact same model. this is wood we're talking about, and every
> piece is different. some may resonate better at certain frequencies, or
with
> certain string gauges, or with different string attack strengths. I'd
> suppose some sort of neck-through design (not set neck, although some
folks
> like to confuse the two) would be best for sustain purposes, but sustain
> alone doesn't make the best guitar by a long shot.
Why the lecture just to say that it was wrong to ask the question in the
first place?
They guy wants to know which type of guitar has the best sustain, why not?
It's a legitimate question, and the answer can have all that you say and but
it doesn't warrant the attitude, unless you need to feel superior that
badly.
Count Scrofula
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To whit, your dumbass.
Read the rest of my post. Or are you just going to stupidly claim that all
Moores have better sustain than all LP's? Or all LP's will have better
sustain than all Strats?
Ignorant buttnugget.
Count Scrofula
Michael J. Palumbo Jr. <jus...@optonline.not> wrote in message
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-He didn't ask what was the best guitar, he asked "which guitar for the most
sustain?"
-Nothing about tone, quality, nothing else, just what do we, as readers
here, think is the guitar ---with the most sustain . . . good question, I
think.
And you are correct that many factors go into how a guitar acts, but he
wasn't asking that either.
Just sustain.
And it's still a stupid question, as you'd know if you hadn't edited the
rest of my post. No single brand or model has the most sustain. some
strats have better sustain than some LP's. Some LP's have more sustain.
Mic
tiglath
First, a contradiction born of pretzel logic.
Now plebeian invective, born of a poor upbringing.
This fellow insists on parading his ignorance and his bad manners.
He has faults too, I bet.
>
> Read the rest of my post.
I did. No improvement.
> Or are you just going to stupidly claim that all
> Moores have better sustain than all LP's? Or all LP's will have better
> sustain than all Strats?
It's not polite to put words in other people's mouths.
> Ignorant buttnugget.
>
No use blaming others of what you are most guilty of.
The through-neck Brian Moores have noticeably more sustain that the Les
Pauls.
Brian Moore happens to make guitars with screwed-on neck too, which being
lighter than the Les Paul have, by and large, less sustain.
You learned something tonight.
The rest of us learning nothing from you yet, apart from a facet of your
character better ignored henceforth.
tiglath
>
> Just sustain.
>
> And it's still a stupid question, as you'd know if you hadn't edited the
> rest of my post. No single brand or model has the most sustain. some
> strats have better sustain than some LP's. Some LP's have more sustain.
>
It is a perfectly good question. Calm down.
While there might be the odd Strat that will have more sustain than I Les
Paul -- I haven't found it yet, not even among the several CS Relics I have.
It would be a true statement and a perfectly reasonable thing to say that,
typically, Les Paul guitars have more sustain that Strats, for example.
Such information would be a good guide to action, which might be what the
original poster had in mind. And 99 out of a hundred times, if he went out
and got a LP and a Strat he would find that the LP had more sustain,
overwhelmingly so, exceptions notwithstanding.
tiglath
"Michael J. Palumbo Jr." <jus...@optonline.not> wrote in message
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>
>
> sure, you can measure sustain, but it varies widely from guitar to guitar,
> even of the exact same model. this is wood we're talking about, and every
> piece is different. some may resonate better at certain frequencies, or
with
> certain string gauges, or with different string attack strengths. I'd
> suppose some sort of neck-through design (not set neck, although some
folks
> like to confuse the two) would be best for sustain purposes, but sustain
> alone doesn't make the best guitar by a long shot.
>
> He didn't ask what was the best guitar, he asked "which guitar for the
most sustain?"
He doesn't care, he was out for blood.
TAPKAE
> -He didn't ask what was the best guitar, he asked "which guitar for the most
> sustain?"
>
> -Nothing about tone, quality, nothing else, just what do we, as readers
> here, think is the guitar ---with the most sustain . . . good question, I
> think.
>
> And you are correct that many factors go into how a guitar acts, but he
> wasn't asking that either.
>
> Just sustain.
>
> And it's still a stupid question, as you'd know if you hadn't edited the
> rest of my post. No single brand or model has the most sustain. some
> strats have better sustain than some LP's. Some LP's have more sustain.
Man, all this talk and no one has said Fernandes?
Gary Hendershot
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>
>
> which models of electric guitars are known for having the most sustain?
>
>
We're talking UNPLUGGED sustain, aye???
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> which models of electric guitars are known for having the most
> sustain?
The one which I've heard personally and sustained for ages was an Ibanez S
Custom...
It sounded great with its Q pickups, and the SUSTAIN... OMG!
And all of that in spite of the floating bridge, unbelievable...
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TAPKAE
>> Man, all this talk and no one has said Fernandes?
>>
>>
>
> Sustainer is artificial sustain, not natural guitar sustain...
He didn't ask for details.
Its sustains, doesn't it?
Michael J. Palumbo Jr.
"Count Scrofula" <x...@xxx.axsbestxosjustxice.com> wrote in message news:vqora.596$6x1.97...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
>
> And it's still a stupid question, as you'd know if you hadn't edited the
> rest of my post. No single brand or model has the most sustain. some
> strats have better sustain than some LP's. Some LP's have more sustain.
>
You may want to learn to edit/mark quotes a little better, as your post made it look as though I had replied to myself.
Okay, here's a direct answer to his question, though I think someone else said it first . . .
ANY guitar with a Fernandez Sustainer will have the most sustain.
Oh, and I edit quotes so that only the part I'm addressing is visible, anything else goes to save others time, and bandwidth. I do, however, READ everything in any post I've chosen to reply to, so implying that I hadn't read everything you posted is incorrect.
Mic
Michael J. Palumbo Jr.
"tiglath" <tig...@usa.net> wrote in message news:b8l9kr$6pj$2...@bob.news.rcn.net...
Yes, you're correct, I just have a bad habit of biting the bait and then wondering why there's a hook in my mouth. :-)
Mic
Count Scrofula
Michael J. Palumbo Jr. <jus...@optonline.not> wrote in message
Heck, I'm not out for blood. Part of the response was due to the original
poster specifically stating he didn't want any smart assed answers...you ask
questions on usenet, you've got to expect a few smart asses, particularly
with such an inartfully posed question.
As you've noted, there are many ways to get sustain. Fernandes, various
effects...hell, I bet the variax POS would sustain like a mofo. From just
an unplugged view, design is part of it, wood type is part of it, and the
individual pieces of wood are another.
I've seen many setnecks with crap sustain, and there is no reason whatsoever
that a well designed and built bolt neck guitar won't have wonderful
sustain. The godins I've played have all been superb from a sustain point
of view (actually, pretty much from all points of view).
as I said before, a neck-through (as opposed to a setneck) should be best,
but neck through comes with it's own set of problems (particularly warping).
HEavier wood should sustain longer...but it takes more to get it moving in
the first place, so it would vary withstring gauge and attack by the player.
Add in the wide variation in pieces of the same type of wood and you can't
make a blanket answer even among supposedly identical guitars. some pieces
of wood are just more "lively" than others.
I'll still say it's impossible to answer the question, and any time you ask
a question that simply can't be answered it's generally not a very good
question.
as for your quotes not being offset with a caret ">", I've got my newsreader
set to do just that, but for some reason it doesn't do it on your posts.
Mic
Dave Lalonde
Digital Larry
> I still prefer Nigel Tufnel's explanation of Les Pauls and sustain.
Which I think is a variation on Les Paul's description of having fitted a
nut, pickup and bridge to a section of railroad track... pluck it, go out
for a bite, come back an hour later and it's still "AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH"!
Rev Jim
Michael J. Palumbo Jr.
"Count Scrofula" <x...@xxx.axsbestxosjustxice.com> wrote in message news:ooGra.3$bD...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>
> as for your quotes not being offset with a caret ">", I've got my newsreader
> set to do just that, but for some reason it doesn't do it on your posts.
>
> Mic
>
Actually, this is what I was referring too, the fact that you put your reply in and then leave my sig (if just "Mic" can be called a sig ;-) ) under your reply.
But at any rate, all is well in my world, how about yours? :-D
Michael J. Palumbo Jr.
"Count Scrofula" <x...@xxx.axsbestxosjustxice.com> wrote in message news:ooGra.3$bD...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>
> as for your quotes not being offset with a caret ">", I've got my newsreader
> set to do just that, but for some reason it doesn't do it on your posts.
>
Just a PS . . .
My posts are set to use "Quoted Printable" so that any URL's I insert won't be cut in half and unusable, perhaps that's what is confusing your newsreader.
Mic