For anyone interested in 'duesenberg multibender'
Bill
cost :
Hello Bill,
You can take a look at our goeldo website and watch the movies.
http://www.goeldo.de/gshop.php
The Duesenberg lap steel will be ready in April/ May 2008.
Best regards,
Ingo Renner
Duesenberg
Vice President
Göldo music GmbH
http://www.duesenberg.de <http://www.goeldo.de>
http://www.myspace.com/duesenberg
i...@duesenberg.de
Not All Works Of Art Belong On The Wall
Tel: +49-511-855 226 Fax: +49-511-855 249
Tony Done
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Thanks Bill, that's useful info. - I'm seriously interested.
Tony D
Bill
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showed the price for the basic unit at 1950.00 Krona ,I hope I got that
right. ,which is not cheap by any means but hey ! its capabilities are
really amazing.:o) I am going to shocked I'm sure (price) by the complete
lap steel price.It can't be any worse than a vintage tape echo (simulator)
that is being built in OZ that cost 3750.00 which is expensive but man does
it sound divine.Cheers
>
Fulvio LECCA
I do not speak german but I found the price for the multibender
http://www.goeldo.de/artikel.php?artgr=58-GTG
245 Euros wich is the price range of a Bigsby
this basic model as just two arms (pedals) wich shold rise the second and
third string (actually it depends on the tuning, on a 1/3/5 basic chord it
should rise the 3th of a half tone and the 5th of a whole changing the main
chord E to A (ex for a guitar tuned in open E)
then other arms can be add to maybe rise the E to F# and have a F# chord...
it is bad that the all comment in the Goeldo site is in german so it is hard
to understand if this bender can be mounted on every guitar , especially lap
steel, and if there is a need for holes drills etc etc
cheers
Fulvio
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Bill
"Fulvio LECCA" <fulvio...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> Well, Bill and Tony ,
> I do not speak german but I found the price for the multibender
> http://www.goeldo.de/artikel.php?artgr=58-GTG
> 245 Euros wich is the price range of a Bigsby
>
> this basic model as just two arms (pedals) wich shold rise the second and
> third string (actually it depends on the tuning, on a 1/3/5 basic chord it
> should rise the 3th of a half tone and the 5th of a whole changing the
> main chord E to A (ex for a guitar tuned in open E)
> then other arms can be add to maybe rise the E to F# and have a F#
> chord...
>
> it is bad that the all comment in the Goeldo site is in german so it is
> hard to understand if this bender can be mounted on every guitar ,
> especially lap steel, and if there is a need for holes drills etc etc
>
> cheers
> Fulvio
Hi Fulvio ,Yes the devil is always in the "details" but I am sure any non
german speaking person could email them and get questions answered. I
received almost an immediate answer from Ingo Renner except their marketing
prices.What lap steel it would fit would probably be the best question.From
what I saw(their lap steel) of the NAMM video was that the nut is slidable
all up the fretboard and is locked by a single thumbscrew which makes it
tunable.all in all I think it is a winner. :o) Thanks again Fulvio ! cheers
Keith Adams
A couple of details I read about the multi bender. One of the guys who
helped design it stated for himself any more than two palm pedals and the
guitar got rather complicated to play. For others perhaps not.Also two holes
needed to be drilled for mounting. I think the guitar needed 3" clear behind
the spot where the front of the original bridge sat. They were currently in
the process of designing a bender specifically for lap steels. It will be
more compact and not needing the 3". I forget where I read this and hope I
've repeated what they said accurately.
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Bill
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> They have an English version.Click on the small Union Jack at the top left
> . A couple of details I read about the multi bender. One of the guys who
> helped design it stated for himself any more than two palm pedals and the
> guitar got rather complicated to play. For others perhaps not.Also two
> holes needed to be drilled for mounting. I think the guitar needed 3"
> clear behind the spot where the front of the original bridge sat. They
> were currently in the process of designing a bender specifically for lap
> steels. It will be more compact and not needing the 3". I forget where I
> read this and hope I 've repeated what they said accurately.
Hi Keith,Yes,I believe you are right..While looking into this mod ,I ran
across where Bigsby did this same thing way back in the sixties.Since then I
understand Gretsch bought Bigsby and the model was a "PS-67F Palm
Pedal."Whether or not it is still produced ,I don't know.In so far as having
more than two arms,I would believe that would be sufficent .I don't reckon
this mod would worry the pedal steel builders because they would still be
superior but for portability,ease of use,cost and all that,I am highly
interested in it and intend to have a lap with this mod.In your case of
building,all you would be required to do is add the number of inches(to the
tailstock) it would take to install either.It is my understanding the
duesenberg lap steel will be produced in six string and will be over a grand
to buy,but what the heck,we can't take it with us :o) The duesenberg also
sports a adjustable nut that slides forward and back to change tunings,much
like using a capo.Sweet ! :o)
Keith Adams
do to a lap steel. I'm not really proficient enough as of yetr to put one to
much use But Lewis, Tony and most all of these other guys could(that
includes you Bill). I'm not sure of the differences between the duesey and
the Bigsby but I'd imagine that the former has made some improvements over
the Bigsby. As far as sliding /adjustable nuts go I've been making them for
a couple of years and it couldnt be much easier. Those I make work best if
the strings run level with the neck. All you need is a small piece of
aluminum with a slight T or L shaped bottom ,cut it to height,length and
file in the string slots. If the guitar has frets then so much the better.
You just make a groove in the bottom of the nut that slides over the
fret(without beefing it up) It should place the strings brake off point
directly above the fret. My laps dont use frets so you slide it wherever the
hell you want. By the way. To my way of thinking even fake frets on a lap
steel are as useless as tits on a boar hog. You play a lap steel by ear
mostly and with accurate dot markers you get plenty close to where you need
to be with the slide.
I built a lap guitar for Rick Alexander that was fretless.
He was pretty skeptical until he played it. He then stated though not a
direct quote...you dont need them . Once you start getting up the neck where
the hair grows short and the frets are close together they aint nothing but
a blur anyway.
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Bill
> Hi Bill. I think that the multi benders are about the best thing you could
> do to a lap steel. I'm not really proficient enough as of yetr to put one
> to much use But Lewis, Tony and most all of these other guys could(that
> includes you Bill). I'm not sure of the differences between the duesey and
> the Bigsby but I'd imagine that the former has made some improvements over
> the Bigsby. As far as sliding /adjustable nuts go I've been making them
> for a couple of years and it couldnt be much easier. Those I make work
> best if the strings run level with the neck. All you need is a small piece
> of aluminum with a slight T or L shaped bottom ,cut it to height,length
> and file in the string slots. If the guitar has frets then so much the
> better. You just make a groove in the bottom of the nut that slides over
> the fret(without beefing it up) It should place the strings brake off
> point directly above the fret. My laps dont use frets so you slide it
> wherever the hell you want. By the way. To my way of thinking even fake
> frets on a lap steel are as useless as tits on a boar hog. You play a lap
> steel by ear mostly and with accurate dot markers you get plenty close to
> where you need to be with the slide.
> I built a lap guitar for Rick Alexander that was fretless.
> He was pretty skeptical until he played it. He then stated though not a
> direct quote...you dont need them . Once you start getting up the neck
> where the hair grows short and the frets are close together they aint
> nothing but a blur anyway.
Hi Keith,You are probably right about not needing frets as there are many
instruments made without the sign of a fret.Upright basses and
violins,cellos come to mind so I can certainly see how it is possible.In the
case of guys who have played for a while I imagine they just "Automagically"
know where to go. :o) In the cases where they might hear me,I'm sure they
might tell me "where to go ! " ha ha All of this is just a fun experiment
and I haven't a clue how it will all turn out ? In so far as the duesenberg
multibender as opposed to the Bigsby palm pedals ,I would believe either one
would do the business but since we Americans have somehow decided not to
build anything ,Duesenberg was the only game in town ,I could find ,so I
promptly got it on "backorder" from them ;o( and it isn't cheap either,then
the shipping is an added cost.Oh well ! You know what they say "You can't
take anything with you,so you had best grab the gusto,while you can " Oh and
by the way,I did visit you website www.keithadams.com and saw some of your
accoustics.Very nice.
I don't know what any of the other forum members are up to at CMFW but
Charles Campbell and his brother Harry just posted "Jambalaya" which I
thought pretty good" Apparently both of them have been playing for ever.Well
enough of this old mans ramble,guess I'll hunt some eats. Regards
Bill
http://www.keithadamsguitars.com/
I think this will work better .Cheers
Keith Adams
Sorry man but thats not my web site.
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Bill
> Hi Bill.
> Sorry man but thats not my web site.
Yes Keith,I corrected it in the preceding post but here is the right one
again for good measure :o)
http://www.keithadamsguitars.com/
Keith Adams
If I did have a web site it would probably be directed towards whore
mongering,drinking and generally just a guide to being no good.
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Bill
> Bill I dont have a web site. Wrong Keith Adams Bro.
> If I did have a web site it would probably be directed towards whore
> mongering,drinking and generally just a guide to being no good.
Hi Keith,Well looks like I blew it ,two outa two ,so I stand corrected ,but
on the good side of it ,maybe ole Keith Adams,the other two ,at least got
some visits which is important to them I think.:o) Well maybe you do need a
website,with some of the guitars you built and with the pictures (like
posted)posted on CMFW .Creativity is a talent in all walks of life I believe
and it's a shame to not have them displayed somewhere.Specfically when
someone sees one and decides it was just what he/she was looking for.Oh and
as far as anyones character is concerned,They can change that if they have a
desire.:o) cheers
Keith Adams
Now about character.The way I see it is a person can change the way they
live but your character is in your blood and you're stuck with it. Its the
luck of the draw whether or not you're born with a character that stands out
amongst others. The average or normal persons doesnt.. They wont be
remembered for long either while living or after they pass. A person doesnt
really know how other people judge their character and so they shouldnt try
to judge it. Its for others to decide.
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Bill
> Thank you for the compliments on my guitars Bill.
> Now about character.The way I see it is a person can change the way they
> live but your character is in your blood and you're stuck with it. Its the
> luck of the draw whether or not you're born with a character that stands
> out amongst others. The average or normal persons doesnt.. They wont be
> remembered for long either while living or after they pass. A person
> doesnt really know how other people judge their character and so they
> shouldnt try to judge it. Its for others to decide.
Ah well Keith,Sounds a bit bleak to me but it's hard for me to sometimes see
truths
due to the "Rose Colored Glasses" I wear :o) Cheers