Arion pedals are "vintage" now? Sheesh...
Dr. Zontar
wanted $90 (US) for it. Musician's Friend used to sell them for $15.
I've also been seeing them on eBay for stupidly high prices.
I've read some good reviews of this pedal, but still, $90? That seems
pretty silly for what was intended to be a budget pedal. The
construction is flimsy.
It seems to me that if you were going to fork over that much for a used
chorus, you'd go with Boss CE-2 or 3 or an old DOD. Some of the old DOD
choruses sound great and are very sturdy.
What gives? How long will it be before we start seeing "vintage"
Danelectro mini pedals sell for $100? Ibanez soundtanks for $200?
- Rich
M.J.P.
"Dr. Zontar" <drzo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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pedal mods, 60's fuzz..... $50 each. MJP
The Chris
@trndny01:
Note to self, don't sell any of your Rocktek crap :)
RichCI
A lot of stuff makes no sense. What I do think happens is that
sometimes some rock star says that he used some old effect on some song
and then suddenly everyone thinks it must be the best thing ever - even
if it's not.
I know a lot of guitar players love the Boss DS 1 distortion. I used
to own one back in the '80s and thought it sounded like crud so I ended
up trading it for an Ibanez Sonic Distortion which also sounds like
crud. I never understood what the big deal is with Tube Screamers
either - old or new, they all sound bad to me yet they're hugely
popular. Why is that? Do I have different tastes from everyone else
or is it that some famous person started using one because *he* liked
it and/or just happened to have a good combination of guitar and amp
that worked well with that box so everyone decided that it must be
great in every scenario?
I'll buy vintage if something works for me, but I don't buy into that
whole vintage scene as a whole. I like analog effects, but I buy new
ones; usually the boutique kind. Personally, when it comes to clones
of vintage effects, I find the clones to be of higher quality than the
originals.
So, my mindset is "If it works for me, I go with it" and I don't really
care if it's old or new or reissue or clone as long as I get the sound
that *I* want.
Dr. Zontar
> I never understood what the big deal is with Tube Screamers
> either - old or new, they all sound bad to me yet they're hugely
> popular. Why is that?
I think we can blame Stevie Ray Vaughn. He gave tubescreamers the
mysterious "mojo" they have now. Personally, I think they're okay, but
not deserving of all the hype and outragous prices. I never liked how
the roll off the bass. Hell, even my $15 Dano Fab Overdrive sounds
about as good.
> Do I have different tastes from everyone else
> or is it that some famous person started using one because *he* liked
> it and/or just happened to have a good combination of guitar and amp
> that worked well with that box so everyone decided that it must be
> great in every scenario?
I think it's a little of both. But I'm right there with you. Some
people are fanatics about certain pedals. Me, I can make just about
anything sound like me.
> I'll buy vintage if something works for me, but I don't buy into that
> whole vintage scene as a whole. I like analog effects, but I buy new
> ones; usually the boutique kind. Personally, when it comes to clones
> of vintage effects, I find the clones to be of higher quality than the
> originals.
The only effect I ever paid big money for is my POD XT Live, but that's
a multieffect/amp modeler/recording system that takes the place of a
lot of other gear. There's NO WAY I'd ever pay $200 for a single
overdrive pedal.
> So, my mindset is "If it works for me, I go with it" and I don't really
> care if it's old or new or reissue or clone as long as I get the sound
> that *I* want.
Yep. My mantra is "whatever works".
- Rich
The Chris
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Yeah, but DS-1's are still had for $30... I guess they're still in
production.... What kills me are the crap ones... Remember the MXR
'Commande' series?? They were black MXR pedals made of plastic. Once I
tried to work on one, and the boards and traces were so paper-thin, they
were impossible to see where a route was...
I'm starting to see those things rise in price - only because they were
made for a short time, and are MXR....
I still use a DS-1 - I've gone on record here saying it's the best
'utility' distortion. Meaning, it's not the best, but it will make pretty
much anything sound cool!!! :)
RichCI
Dr. Zontar wrote:
> RichCI wrote:
> > I'll buy vintage if something works for me, but I don't buy into that
> > whole vintage scene as a whole. I like analog effects, but I buy new
> > ones; usually the boutique kind. Personally, when it comes to clones
> > of vintage effects, I find the clones to be of higher quality than the
> > originals.
>
> The only effect I ever paid big money for is my POD XT Live, but that's
> a multieffect/amp modeler/recording system that takes the place of a
> lot of other gear. There's NO WAY I'd ever pay $200 for a single
> overdrive pedal.
>
> > So, my mindset is "If it works for me, I go with it" and I don't really
> > care if it's old or new or reissue or clone as long as I get the sound
> > that *I* want.
>
> Yep. My mantra is "whatever works".
I have to admit to developing a taste for some expensive stuff ($235
for a fuzz...) but even the expensive gear still falls into the
"whatever works" category. I reached a point in my life where I want
what I want and I'm willing to pay for it. I'm not rich by any means
and I do have to watch my expenses which means I might have to wait
until I make a purchase, but I'm not willing to compromise anymore. I
spent most of my guitar playing years compromising on gear and ended up
accumulating quite a bit of stuff that I don't use because it just
doesn't work for me. Now, that doesn't mean I turn my nose up to
"cheap" gear; if something cheap will do the same job, I'll go for that
before shelling out big money just to have a name brand or something
vintage or whatever.
The Chris
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> On 26 Oct 2005 15:02:42 GMT, The Chris <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I still use a DS-1 - I've gone on record here saying it's the best
>>'utility' distortion. Meaning, it's not the best, but it will make
>>pretty much anything sound cool!!! :)
>
> I disagree, but you knew that. You get a good sound with yours, lots
> and lots of distortion, I dont like that much gain. I found the pedal
> to be useless, for my purposes.
>
>
>
Well, if you're looking for distortion, it does its thing. I played for 2
years in a country band - with that distortion knob fully counter-
clockwise - and all it did was boost.... Ah, but the fun is when that
bad-boy is all the way to the right :)
Actually, I've kind of shifted away from it and now use a Boss OD2r - the
DS-1 kind of gets lost in the mix live.... I don't know if the mids are
too high, or too low.
grolschie
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> I never understood what the big deal is with Tube Screamers
> either - old or new, they all sound bad to me yet they're hugely
> popular. Why is that? Do I have different tastes from everyone else
> or is it that some famous person started using one because *he* liked
> it and/or just happened to have a good combination of guitar and amp
> that worked well with that box so everyone decided that it must be
> great in every scenario?
I used to think that also. My dad had an old TS-9 which I cranked with a
crappy strat clone into a SS bass amp when I was a kid. I could never
get a full screaming tube amp sound. I liked Queen and 80's hair metal
and saw "tube screamer...heavy rock here I come!" Gain on full, all I
got was flabby, muddy, muffled, fuzz. Yuck. Much later I discovered that
the TubeScreamer does not sound like a 'tube' amp and doesn't 'scream'
either. Badly named pedal. But what it is good for is that nice slightly
overdriven sound (gain at 10 o'clock) when placed in front of a tube
amp. Very smoooooooth. Some use it as a clean boost to make their tube
amps scream, but I never got joy from that.
grol
grolschie
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> the FabTone by Danelectro, I didnt like that either. Just instant
> buzzsaw.
Yeah exactly. It ain't 'fab' and it certainly aint got no 'tone' either.
I play anything from mellow Jimi stuff to heavy rock/metal and yet I
could find a single use for the pedal. It sounded tinnier than my old
Keeley DS-1 Ultra. Sssheeeh it made the metal distortion on my old Zoom
505 sound usable, which it ain't.
> Their Daddy-O, a simple overdrive, I've gotten some use outta
> one of those, but dont use it much anymore.
Not a bad overdrive. I sold mine before I could fully appreciate this
kind of overdrive. I wonder what I would think of it now. :-)
grol
grolschie
>>'utility' distortion. Meaning, it's not the best, but it will make
>>pretty
>>much anything sound cool!!! :)
>
> and lots of distortion, I dont like that much gain. I found the pedal
> to be useless, for my purposes.
I had a Keeley DS-1 Ultra. I loved the sound samples on his site, but
found that the DS-1 had no sustain whatsoever. The most unforgiving
pedal to play ever. Sure if I practise for another 10 years I might
sound good with it, but I doubt it. It was ok for power chords, but thin
for lead. Perhaps if I had used a compressor for soloing.....
grolschie
"Dr. Zontar" <drzo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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A friend of mine has a really old beat up Arion overdrive. It sounds
awesome in front of his Laney LC-30 valve amp as a nice warm overdrive.
grol
The Chris
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No sustain??? That I can't imagine... With that same guitar and amp, what
other pedals gave you better sustain??
grolschie
"The Chris" <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Proco Rat2. :-)
Maybe mine was a dud.
~R
the Blend knob is more like a switch, all or none. The distortion
box has good ditortion, but so much noise, it's pretty much
useless. If you like lo-fi, this is your brand. That and a
Gorilla amp.
~Rob
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: I saw an old Arion chorus (SCH-1) in a local store a few days
:
Dr. Zontar
> On 26 Oct 2005 08:15:05 -0700, "Dr. Zontar" <drzo...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Hell, even my $15 Dano Fab Overdrive sounds about as good.
>
> one of those, but dont use it much anymore.
Actually, I wasn't talking about the FabTone. The Fab Overdrive is a
different pedal.
- Rich
grolschie
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> Arion effexts are just HISS makers. The analog delay is so bad,
> the Blend knob is more like a switch, all or none. The distortion
> box has good ditortion, but so much noise, it's pretty much
> useless. If you like lo-fi, this is your brand. That and a
> Gorilla amp.
>
> ~Rob
Vintage hiss perhaps? ;-)
The Chris
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Well, my Rat is my Marshall pedal - that's the only thing it sounds good
with (9, 12, 5). Hmmm, that's odd to me.
Steve Kulpa
Or any 'condensers', cloth covered magnet wire, or selenium
rectifiers???
I can't believe everything I enjoyed/owned/wanted when I was a teen is
now 'vintage'.
-sigh
steve
§c©©t§
Leigh Courteney
or hissy at all...I found one at a pawn shop for $20... sounds better than
my old boss CE-2...
if you can find one cheap ....get it.....!
note that there are 3 versions
SCH-1 - made in Japan...has volume drop when pedal is engaged but still a
good, warm analogue pedal.
SCH-1 - made in srilanka...exactly the same as the Japanese made version but
the 'volume drop' problem is fixed....better pedal I think...
SCH-Z - very tinny sounding...not so warm sounding.....
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checking out. I ran into one on ebay as part of a lot of pedals, and
had read nothing about it, thinking as many people do about Arions -
that it was a cheap p.o.s. In fact, the battery cover was gone, the
outer knobs gone, and I had to solder the battery harness. I tried it
and was blown away by it. Then I went and read the reviews and checked
ebay prices, finding out that its somewhat sought after. It's no Aqua
Puss, but it doesn't suck tone, is pretty quiet, and I favored it over
my reissue Ibanez AD9 mostly because it IS quirky. Play with the
regeneration knob and it gives the strangest, wildest feedback starting
at only about 6 o'clock. The "trip" point for the feedback is very
abrupt, but it is controllable. I think it's worth checking out if you
can get one for under $50 or so. I haven't heard or read such great
things about the SAD-3
Rob Duncan
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I think it was 9 or 10 months ago I bought a cheap-ass Arion Moc-1 Octave
pedal. Its a blast playing with it. Its just a toy, but a good one. Lots
of fun.
Rob