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kmesse

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May 6, 2004, 1:52:05 PM5/6/04
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I love pedal effects, but I'm confused why they don't have
accessories, like a multi-conductor cable and jack and some external
pots so you can have access to the pots without bending over, clunking
the guitar neck against the stand or knocking the backup singer in the
elbow.

Not that I've ever done that. ahem.

Seriously, anyone done mods to take some of the pots on a pedal and
mount them on the guitar, or on the mic stand or something?

Kevin

tim gueguen

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May 6, 2004, 2:34:02 PM5/6/04
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"kmesse" <kme...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> I love pedal effects, but I'm confused why they don't have
> accessories, like a multi-conductor cable and jack and some external
> pots so you can have access to the pots without bending over, clunking
> the guitar neck against the stand or knocking the backup singer in the
> elbow.

The obvious answer is that most people wouldn't use such functions, and
including them would boost the cost of the unit.

tim gueguen 101867


AJ

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May 6, 2004, 6:19:41 PM5/6/04
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Interesting idea, but I could only see it useful if you were using some type
of effect that could/should be modded in real-time, like some kind of
filter, etc. The whole point with a footswitch on a pedal is so you can
instantly have it on at the settings you want, if you find yourself going
and tweaking the knobs back and forth during a performance, you should
probably just get a second copy of that pedal and toggle between the two.

It'd be simple enough to wire up though, just extend the leads on the pots..

AJ

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Brrt

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May 7, 2004, 5:02:00 AM5/7/04
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> "kmesse" <kme...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:f04f638f.04050...@posting.google.com...
> > Seriously, anyone done mods to take some of the pots on a pedal and
> > mount them on the guitar, or on the mic stand or something?

"AJ" <z...@zz.com> wrote


> It'd be simple enough to wire up though, just extend the leads on the
pots..

You could extend the leads indeed, but you won't get what you're looking
for. The guitarsignal goes right through the pots on mainly every
effectpedal. So if you extend the leads, you'd introduce a lot of noise and
other unwanted sounds...

Brrt


Rich Johnson

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May 7, 2004, 8:14:39 AM5/7/04
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kme...@lycos.com (kmesse) wrote:

> I love pedal effects, but I'm confused why they don't have
> accessories, like a multi-conductor cable and jack and some external
> pots so you can have access to the pots without bending over, clunking
> the guitar neck against the stand or knocking the backup singer in the
> elbow.

I think the majority of pedals are meant to be set once, and left that
way. Look at the Ibanez "Tone Lok" series- The knobs can be pushed
into the pedal once they're set so they can't be changed. I personally
never mess with settings during a gig. Everything is tweaked at
practice.

> Seriously, anyone done mods to take some of the pots on a pedal and
> mount them on the guitar, or on the mic stand or something?

There are high-tech and low tech solutions to your problem. First, the
high-tech:

John Workman of Beck's band has a touch sensitive control panel
installed on his main guitar. It sends MIDI information to his effects
rack to alter settings in real-time.

Now the low tech solutions:

Mark Mothersbaugh of Devo used to mount an stompbox on the front of
his guitar. Adrian Belew used to duct tape one to his mic stand. I
think it was a rare old EH Flanger. He would twiddle the knobs while
playing for some really weird sounds.

And speaking of EH- they used to make a footpedal that would turn
knobs for you. It looked like a wah, but it had a cable that attached
to any round knob. When you rocked the pedal it rotated the knob. This
may be what you need. I'm not sure what the thing was called. But it's
probably a rare collectors item now.

One more idea - maybe you can take the guts out of the pedal, and
install them in a volume pedal case. Just put the pot you need to
adjust where the volume pot would be. There are lots of cheap volume
pedals out there ($20 and less).

- Rich Johnson

kmesse

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May 7, 2004, 10:03:51 AM5/7/04
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Noise- Probably so on some pots, not all.

popularity- I thought more people might have a need for this that it
might justify the cost of an extra connector, then charging a fortune
for the adapter stuff which would be stupid easy to make. I'd imagine
anything digital, the signal would not go through the pots, but the
pots would control the processor. Like on the Xseries stuff, there are
all kinds of settings to tweak, but no presets, so that's alot of
bending over.

Anyway, while on the subject of modifications, does anyone have an
FS-5U footswitch that can tell me if the end is 2 conductor or 3 (TS
or TRS)? I tried some wiring at work uwing a TRS jack since I have
one, and it worked on my RC20. Got home and did it with a regular mono
guitar cable, and suddenly it didn't... Confused, I'm wondering if the
FS-5U has a TRS end. The RC20 manual says there are other footswitches
that "may operate in the opposite way" whatever that means for a
momentary switch, and that the FS-5L can't be used. I'm hoping
"opposite way" means it will decrement instead of increment, but I can
only see that happening if there are 3 wires, not 2. But if so,
there's the potential of inc/dec using 2 switches? Anyone worked with
this?

K

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kmesse

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May 7, 2004, 2:36:29 PM5/7/04
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Thanks for the brainstorming! I was thinking of removing the pot and
coming with a cable out the hole, but I want to keep the functionality
as is, so I might end up drilling an extra hole, installing an 1/8"
stereo jack and a switch, then I can switch the external pot on if I
want. That would be ideal.

Somehow.

I came across this http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/xprnped.htm
but as you can guess I don't have much room left on the pedalboard. I
usually only need control over one knob, so I may try this combined
with my jack and switch option. I'd like to have as much control as
possible right on the guitar. I think it was Strummer I saw back in
the 80's with a big metal box on his git-fiddle. I think it was the
duct-tape idea.

kevin
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