White Room fuzz
The Stadicks
on White Room and have been on a quest to find out what he was using.
If anyone could help it would be totally awesome!
-Nigel
Mr E Train
Colorsound Tone Bender possibly?
John Huff
writes:
>I'm sort of new to the effects realm, but I totally dig Clapton's fuzz
>on White Room and have been on a quest to find out what he was using.
>If anyone could help it would be totally awesome!
>-Nigel
>
Daniel
epgu...@cajunnet.com
It's been speculated that part of Clapton's and other english
guitarists' sound has been that of the Dallas-Arbiter Rangemaster, a
treble booster unit. Tony Iommi used one, and Brian May used a clone
of this unit built for him by the bassist in Queen. He later had a
Pete Cornish-built version in the 80's that was somewhat different.
The unit is supposed to add a bit of even-ordered harmonics and is
supposed to sound particularly sweet. There's a schematic and
directions on how to build one at RG Keen's site, I think the address
is www.eden.com/~keen
It's a real simple unit, but to get it to work just right, it must be
"tuned" and tweaked just right, keen's site has got the directions on
how to tune it in. It's a germanium transistor unit.
epgu...@cajunnet.com
>In <38248660...@aracnet.com> The Stadicks <sta...@aracnet.com>
>writes:
>>
>>I'm sort of new to the effects realm, but I totally dig Clapton's fuzz
>>on White Room and have been on a quest to find out what he was using.
>>If anyone could help it would be totally awesome!
>>-Nigel
>>
>No fuzz...SG, sixties Vox wah, Marshall plexi cranked way up.
>
>Daniel
BTW, it's not a plexi...it's a "bluesbreaker" combo, jtm 45 I think,
with KT66 tubes in it. I read somewhere it may have been modded with a
master volume.
Fulltone
>with KT66 tubes in it. I read somewhere it may have been modded with a
>master volume.
>
>
That IS a plexi my friend..I have a couple. His was not modified with a
Master...that mod wasn't around then and his use of the Dallas Rangemaster is
common knowledge around the time of the "beano album"
Michael Fuller / Fulltone Musical Products Inc. / http://www.fulltone.com
The Stadicks
John Huff wrote:
> In <38248660...@aracnet.com> The Stadicks <sta...@aracnet.com>
> writes:
> >
> >I'm sort of new to the effects realm, but I totally dig Clapton's fuzz
> >on White Room and have been on a quest to find out what he was using.
> >If anyone could help it would be totally awesome!
> >-Nigel
> >
> No fuzz...SG, sixties Vox wah, Marshall plexi cranked way up.
>
> Daniel
You mean he didn't even have a pedal for the fuzy wah solo? I didn't
realize you could do THAT with an amp. If I wanted the sound but not the
blasting noise of a fully cranked amp would a volume pedal do the trick?
BTW: Thanks a lot!
John Huff
>
>On 7 Nov 1999 03:02:15 GMT, joh...@ix.netcom.com(John Huff) wrote:
>
>>In <38248660...@aracnet.com> The Stadicks <sta...@aracnet.com>
>>writes:
>>>
>>>I'm sort of new to the effects realm, but I totally dig Clapton's
fuzz
>>>on White Room and have been on a quest to find out what he was
using.
>>>If anyone could help it would be totally awesome!
>>>-Nigel
>>>
>>No fuzz...SG, sixties Vox wah, Marshall plexi cranked way up.
>>
>>Daniel
>BTW, it's not a plexi...it's a "bluesbreaker" combo, jtm 45 I think,
>with KT66 tubes in it. I read somewhere it may have been modded with a
>master volume.
On Wheels of Fire? I thought he used plexi heads on just about all of
the Cream stuff...
The JTM 45 was definetly on the 'Beano' Bluesbreaker album.
Daniel
John Huff
>> >
>> No fuzz...SG, sixties Vox wah, Marshall plexi cranked way up.
>>
>> Daniel
>
>realize you could do THAT with an amp. If I wanted the sound but not
the
>blasting noise of a fully cranked amp would a volume pedal do the
trick?
>BTW: Thanks a lot!
>
Its not really fuzzy, just pure tube distortion...if you can't crank,
try a master vol. tube amp (A decent Marshall-on the newer ones, use
the clean channel), turn the preamp most of the way up, adjust overall
vol w/master. Use a pedal to overdrive it to the desired level.
For a fat, sustainy, fluid tone similar to early Clapton tone, I use a
Fulldrive II into a semi-clean to overdriven tube amp.
Tube Screamers, Chandler Tube Driver/Real Tube, eq pedal set for vol
boost....many other pedals can be used to push an amp into sweet
overdrive/distortion w/out adding alot of raspy gain. Humbuckers will
help overdrive an amp sooner...
Clapton did use a fuzz on some of the sides, and live as well-but not
White Room...I'm thinking the live Spoonfull and Sittin on Top of the
World, Politician? Maybe Mr Fuller can give us the down and dirty on
where EC used what.
FYI-to get a wah to really 'talk' like EC does in White Room, you can't
run alot of gain...early fuzzes interact w/wahs in a way so that their
isn't alot of 'wah'
For example, on live Hendrix stuff, you can hear that when he steps on
the wah and the fuzz at the same time, he is going from muffled bass to
screaming treble, not much in between-the real vocal sounding wah lines
are done w/fuzz off.
Daniel
Carlginger
>>run alot of gain..
That's got to be an original Italian Ckyde wha on that tune, it there is
definitly no fuzz.
>early fuzzes interact w/wahs in a way so that their
>>isn't alot of 'wah'
Which shows Clapton didn't run a fuzz live,
because , live, when he hits that wha, it really quacks, as opposed to say
Hendrix, who combined it with a fuzz face and suffered the interaction
problems.
ALAN THOMPSON
group "the Bluesbreakers" (hence the nickname). By the time of Cream
Clapton was using Marshall plexi stacks, even in the studio. They were
supposedly modded by Marshall for him, and had one input painted red to
designate the hotter modded channel. I don't know what the mod was, though.
I also read that Clapton's stacks had JBL's in them, and Jack Bruce had
cheap Eminence speakers put in his to break up more. He reportedly used the
"Rangemaster" treble booster in the Mayall days, there is some conjecture
about whether he used it later with the stacks. I tend to believe that the
modded Marshalls were used without pedals live (except the Vox Wah), but
that's just my opinion. Some of the studio stuff on the first three album
sounds like he used a fuzz here and there, maybe even straight into the
board on a couple of things. As I said, live he stuck to basics.
Saw them at the Santa Monica Civic in late 60's, as the band was introduced
the first wah licks of "Tales of Brave Ulysses" came through the closed
curtain, the curtain opened as the full band band broke in. Clapton played
the painted LP/SG through the whole show. Incredible show, what else can I
say! Years later I saw "Jack Bruce and Friends" at the same venue, the hall
was only half filled but the concert was again excellent.
A.T.
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> On 7 Nov 1999 03:02:15 GMT, joh...@ix.netcom.com(John Huff) wrote:
>
> >In <38248660...@aracnet.com> The Stadicks <sta...@aracnet.com>
> >writes:
> >>
> >>I'm sort of new to the effects realm, but I totally dig Clapton's fuzz
> >>on White Room and have been on a quest to find out what he was using.
> >>If anyone could help it would be totally awesome!
> >>-Nigel
> >>
> >No fuzz...SG, sixties Vox wah, Marshall plexi cranked way up.
> >
> >Daniel
John Huff
>On 7 Nov 1999 21:09:13 GMT, joh...@ix.netcom.com(John Huff) wrote:
>
>>FYI-to get a wah to really 'talk' like EC does in White Room, you
can't
their
>>isn't alot of 'wah'
>
>mods that can be done to make that work better?
>
Hell, I don;t know...but actually I like the kick you get when you run
a wah into a fuzz in some instances. I was cranking real loud along to
my Band of Gypsies CD the other day...my Marshall cranked up on the
clean channel, Bud Wah going into a Stone Fuzz. That screaming,
distorted, sick wah +fuzz that he kicks into w/those great lines on
Power of Soul-thats a great sound to play with! Perfect for instant
feedback, too...
If I want more expressive, talking wah, I turn off my high gain sounds
and go with either overdriven amp (Fulldrive) or dead clean. You simply
don;t always need screaming gain to get a full, powerful lead sound
anyways.
>One thing that helps when running a fuzz into a wah pedal is to back
>off the guitar volume pot slightly, you can then get the wah to work a
>little better. I notice my tube screamer doesn't effect the wah much,
>but when I use the Way Huge Red Llama the wah kind of flattens out...
>but I think there is a touch of fuzztone in the design of that pedal.
I would definetly run the wah dead first in the signal chain.
If you want more gain and useable wah range, I'd say you'd probably get
better results running into a high-gain amp rather than putting a wah
through a fuzz/dist box. Amp dist nowdays can be pretty natural and
refined sounding, and depending upon the amp, almost always seems to
reproduce wah 'quack' quite a bit better than fuzz pedals.
But, the more gain you add the more nuances of the wah you will be
masking.
Daniel
John Huff
(Carlginger) writes:
>
>>>FYI-to get a wah to really 'talk' like EC does in White Room, you
can't
>
>That's got to be an original Italian Ckyde wha on that tune, it there
is
>definitly no fuzz.
>
>>>isn't alot of 'wah'
>
>because , live, when he hits that wha, it really quacks, as opposed to
say
>Hendrix, who combined it with a fuzz face and suffered the interaction
>problems.
>
>
instances? Obviously he never had one on when he stepped on the wah,
but..I seem to recall some live stuff that was a bit on the dirty side,
and some studio cuts that sounded a bit like a fuzz face.
Maybe I'm partially thinking of Bruces fuzzed out bass...It's been
awhile since I listened closely to any Cream w/out jamming along w/it.
Daniel
>
>
>
epgu...@cajunnet.com
>>BTW, it's not a plexi...it's a "bluesbreaker" combo, jtm 45 I think,
>>with KT66 tubes in it. I read somewhere it may have been modded with a
>>master volume.
>>
>>
>
>That IS a plexi my friend..I have a couple. His was not modified with a
>Master...that mod wasn't around then and his use of the Dallas Rangemaster is
>common knowledge around the time of the "beano album"
>Michael Fuller / Fulltone Musical Products Inc. / http://www.fulltone.com
Sorry, i'm not as knowledgeable about marshalls...I'm a Fender man
myself. I thought the amp he used was different from the "plexi" super
lead heads i'm familiar with. His amp was a 50 or so watter with a
tube rectifier, right?
I did read that it was modded with master volume, although I don't
claim to know personally.
Soon as I complete my own rangemaster project, I'll post my findings
to the group. It takes some tweaking, I understand.
Carlginger
>instances? Obviously he never had one on when he stepped on the wah,
>but..I seem to recall some live stuff that was a bit on the dirty side,
>and some studio cuts that sounded a bit like a fuzz face.
Studio cuts are a guess. Unless someone was there, it's all speculation.
Live, Clapton could have used this Rangemaster thing, as it was probably all
that was decent back then.
Fuller also said Clapton used the Tonebender on later Cream shows.
>
>Maybe I'm partially thinking of Bruces fuzzed out bass...It's been
>awhile since I listened closely to any Cream w/out jamming along w/it.
>
>Daniel
Bruce had some diode shit built-in for his bass to distort.
Carl
John Huff
>Bruce had some diode shit built-in for his bass to distort.
>
>Carl
>
I understand.
Daniel
>
>
Fulltone
the Cream stuff...
The JTM 45 was definetly on the 'Beano' Bluesbreaker album.
>>
More specifically, Super Tremolo 100 watt Marshalls. I have 2 of them and they
are my #1 and #2 100 watt heads.
Fulltone
on that video clip where Clapton's playing the paisley SG/LP and explaing the
wah wah....that ROAR of reverb when he stops playing that EJ used to get when
he was using the Fender reverb unit. I miss that in EJ's sound. I recorded tons
of great stereo Live EJ from '86-'92 and still use the Fender Reverb unit
myself on the Marshall to get that cello thing happening...even when recording.
stills...@gmail.com
> I'm sort of new to the effects realm, but I totally dig Clapton's fuzz
> on White Room and have been on a quest to find out what he was using.
> If anyone could help it would be totally awesome!
> -Nigel