g-force or fireworx or tc2290 ?
snows...@yahoo.com
I am trying to decide between keeping the G-force that
I recently bought (and am having trouble with, as mentioned
in another post) or returing it and getting a fireworx, or
maybe a tc 2290 delay.
my needs are:
delay and echo(different algorithms, stereo output)
ducking delay (i.e delay + env. filter)
lush gorgeous chorus
interesting effects like vocoder, noise, static
reverb
real time expression control
Option
1) keep the g-force
2) buy the fireworx (for $300 more)
3) buy a tc2290 (for $200 more) + chorus unit + vocoder/noise unit
Is the tc2290 delay the same sounding as g-force/fireworx or
different ?
What would you suggest ? And why ?
Thanks for your replies ! (I really need some advice)
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Christopher Brown
vocoder,static".
G-Force has ducking delay ala 2290 and lush chorus ala 1210. I own all of
the these units (not a Fireworx though) and only use the G-Force in my
guitar rack now. Fireworx is predominately "special effects". G-Force is
the staple guitar processor with the reverb, chorus, delay, flange,
compressor kind of attitude.
Personally, I say keep the G-Force and tweak the hell out of the effects.
They are in there!
snows...@yahoo.com wrote in message <717nm3$tc6$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
Paul Braunbehrens
G-Force. There is no way you can get "lush gorgeous" chorus out of the
GForce, because it doesn't have any Chorus. Chorus is a relatively short
delay that is modulated by a sinewave. The 2290 does this to perfection
and is by far the best sounding chorus I have ever heard. The GForce has
what units have nowadays, which is called "chorus" by the manufacturers,
but is really some pitch shifting and delay. To my ears it sounds awful.
To get really lush chorus you need to be able to adjust the delay time, and
the chorus in the GForce can't do that.
The only problem with the 2290 is that it takes 2 rackspaces and will only
do one thing at a time, delay, or chorus or flanging. It does these 3
better than anything else one the planet, by a mile, but it won't even do a
tapped delay.
You might consider the chorus effects in the Lexicon MPX G2, they aren't
really chorus either, but they sound slightly better than the one in the
GFOrce. Another option is to use the TCElectronics CHorus pedal, but I
don't like the way it sounds either.
I finally compromised and got an old used chorus stomp box, one from the
80's which has adjustements for delay time, depth of the modulation and
speed. The only thing it is missing is regeneration. I like to use a
slight amount of it in my chorus.
To answer your question about the TC2290 delay being the same as the
GFOrce, it isn't. It uses completely different converters, and has
different functions. I think the 2290 is the ultimate delay, but if you
need certain features (like tap tempo, multiple taps on the delay etc) I
would use the GForce for delay.
Do check out the Lexicon unit, I think you might like it. It's reviewed
(by YT) along with the GForce and the Roland GP100 on the url above.
Good luck, and let us know how it turns out.
> snows...@yahoo.com wrote in message <717nm3$tc6$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >Hi all:
> >
> >I am trying to decide between keeping the G-force that
> >I recently bought (and am having trouble with, as mentioned
> >in another post) or returing it and getting a fireworx, or
> >maybe a tc 2290 delay.
> >
> >my needs are:
> >
> >delay and echo(different algorithms, stereo output)
> >ducking delay (i.e delay + env. filter)
> >lush gorgeous chorus
> >interesting effects like vocoder, noise, static
> >reverb
> >real time expression control
> >
> >Option
> >1) keep the g-force
> >2) buy the fireworx (for $300 more)
> >3) buy a tc2290 (for $200 more) + chorus unit + vocoder/noise unit
> > Is the tc2290 delay the same sounding as g-force/fireworx or
> > different ?
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Baka...@Bakalite.com (Paul Braunbehrens) wrote:
>Read this http://www.bakalite.com/Pages/Guitar/GPS.html for a review of the
>G-Force. There is no way you can get "lush gorgeous" chorus out of the
HEy Paul, read your comparison on your web page, great analysis!
Keep up the good work!!!
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Christopher Brown
Paul Braunbehrens wrote in message ...
>Read this http://www.bakalite.com/Pages/Guitar/GPS.html for a review of the
>G-Force. There is no way you can get "lush gorgeous" chorus out of the
>GForce, because it doesn't have any Chorus.
>Chorus is a relatively short
>delay that is modulated by a sinewave.
What do you thinkk the LFO in the G-Force chorus is for!? In the G-Force
you can modulate by sine wave, saw wave, or any user defined curve! The
phase is also selectable for wider stereo sounds.
G-Force uses same speed-to-depth algorithyms as 2290 and allows custom LFO
modulation.
>The 2290 does this to perfection
>and is by far the best sounding chorus I have ever heard.
Then why to people known for their chorus sounds who use TC gear use the
2290 for delay and the 1210 for chorus!? No offense, 2290 does have a nice
chorus but is smoked by the analog 1210, IMHO.
>The GForce has
>what units have nowadays, which is called "chorus" by the manufacturers,
>but is really some pitch shifting and delay. To my ears it sounds awful.
>To get really lush chorus you need to be able to adjust the delay time, and
>the chorus in the GForce can't do that.
>To answer your question about the TC2290 delay being the same as the
>GFOrce, it isn't. It uses completely different converters, and has
>different functions.
The converters in the G-Force are technically better. Admittedly a human
may prefer technically inferior converters for their warmth, etc. but that
has to due with tone, not delay functionality.
I was referring specifically to ducking delay, which was a predominate
feature that made the 2290 popular.
>I think the 2290 is the ultimate delay, but if you
>need certain features (like tap tempo, multiple taps on the delay etc) I
>would use the GForce for delay.
>
In conclusion, I found the web review to be well formulated and well
written, but the chorus statement is completely erroneous. If you don't
like it's tonal qualities, so be it. But technically to say it isn't real
chorus when it can do digitally exactly what my Boss CE-3 is doing analog,
as well as much more, is simply not true. Check the G-Force manual under
"Advanced Chorus".
Additionally, for all of you who like a "warm" chorus, use a hi band cutoff
on the G-Force and other digital type boxes. The warmth is largely (not
solely, so don't flame me) due to the fact that the TC boxes and newer
digital jobbers are full bandwidth and older stomp boxes were not. So lop
the upper freqs off of the EFFECTED signal and you will notice an increased
warmth.
Also, out of the box, most of these units blow. Build some chorus patches
from scratch and you will be surprised.
Thanks,
Chris Brown
Paul Braunbehrens
> HEy Paul, read your comparison on your web page, great analysis!
> Keep up the good work!!!
Thanks. I was hoping it wold generate some discussion, I posted it in
various forums, but it seems people just read it and that's it. Oh well.
Paul Braunbehrens
<christop...@att.net> wrote:
> You sir are in grave error.
Well, I wanted a discussion, I guess I'm getting it ;)
> Paul Braunbehrens wrote in message ...
> >Read this http://www.bakalite.com/Pages/Guitar/GPS.html for a review of the
> >G-Force. There is no way you can get "lush gorgeous" chorus out of the
> >GForce, because it doesn't have any Chorus.
> >Chorus is a relatively short
> >delay that is modulated by a sinewave.
>
> What do you thinkk the LFO in the G-Force chorus is for!? In the G-Force
> you can modulate by sine wave, saw wave, or any user defined curve! The
> phase is also selectable for wider stereo sounds.
> G-Force uses same speed-to-depth algorithyms as 2290 and allows custom LFO
> modulation.
Not true. The delay algorithms in the GForce are such that if you modulate
the delay time the pitch is kept constant via some fancy dsp footwork. The
same thing happens with the chorus, where the pitch is being modulated and
the delay time is being modulated, but the pitch is not being modulated by
the fact that the delay time is changing. This may sound like a subtle
difference, but IMO makes for a huge difference in sound. It's kind of
like freeze dried food, they take the water out, and later you put it back
in. It's still the same ingredients, but it doesn't quite taste the same.
> >The 2290 does this to perfection
> >and is by far the best sounding chorus I have ever heard.
>
> Then why to people known for their chorus sounds who use TC gear use the
> 2290 for delay and the 1210 for chorus!? No offense, 2290 does have a nice
> chorus but is smoked by the analog 1210, IMHO.
There's no accounting for taste. In all fairness, I haven't heard the
1210, but I wasn't taking about that unit. If it sounds like the GForce
then I'm not interested in it.
> >To answer your question about the TC2290 delay being the same as the
> >GFOrce, it isn't. It uses completely different converters, and has
> >different functions.
>
> The converters in the G-Force are technically better. Admittedly a human
> may prefer technically inferior converters for their warmth, etc. but that
> has to due with tone, not delay functionality.
I don't know if they are "better". There are a lot of factors to consider
in converter technology, and the 2290 uses some pretty unusual technology.
For one thing it's floating point, which is not what is normally used. In
any case, remember to use your ears, both units have fantastic sound
quality.
> In conclusion, I found the web review to be well formulated and well
> written, but the chorus statement is completely erroneous. If you don't
> like it's tonal qualities, so be it. But technically to say it isn't real
> chorus when it can do digitally exactly what my Boss CE-3 is doing analog,
> as well as much more, is simply not true. Check the G-Force manual under
> "Advanced Chorus".
YOu don't seriously think that I wrote that review without checking all the
advanced features and doing some serious tweaking, do you?
I don't think the CE-3 is a chorus either, in fact, dont' they call it
something slightly different? All this is a matter of definition and a
matter of taste. I simply took a very narrow approach to the definition of
chorus: a short delay that is being modulated and this modualtion induces
some pitch variations in the delay. You can call anything you want a
chorus, and your definition seems to be a little broader than mine. The
only reason I used my definition in the first place is because I wanted to
draw a line between the old way of doing a chorus-type effect and the new
way.
As far as how it sounds, this is obviously a very personal matter and there
is no right and wrong.
One more thing to be aware of is that there is no way to adjust the delay
time of the chorus effect in the GForce.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think the GForce is a bad unit, I just like the
old way of doing a chorus, and the GForce doesn't do that. The Lexicon MPX
G2 doesn't either, but some of their algorithms are slightly more
useable...I think they have some weird names like centrifuge and orbit, and
still require a lot of tweaking before sounding good.
Cheers,
Paul Braunbehrens
Carlginger
>> >and is by far the best sounding chorus I have ever heard.
>>
>> Then why to people known for their chorus sounds who use TC gear use the
>> 2290 for delay and the 1210 for chorus!? No offense, 2290 does have a nice
>> chorus but is smoked by the analog 1210, IMHO.
I have heard no better chorus than the TC1210. I'm lucky enough to own one and
it is amazing.
The chorus in the G-Force isn't close.
I use the 1210 for two different choruses and a MPX-1 (Lexicon) for Delay and
Reverb.
Sounds great.
Carl
StLSD2000
distortion?
proco rat?
bartolini tube-it?
what are the opinions on this?
someone told me to get a marshall JCM....
note the word PEDAL
not asking for amp suggestions
looking for pedal suggestions
i've heard that the bartolini tube-it was made to sound like a marshall
jcm and that the proco rat (original) sounds marshally
does anyone know any pedals other than these that would sound like what
i'm looking for?
also,
i was wanting to paint my emg 81 humbucker and my lace sensor humbucker
and single coil silver or gray
i was probably going to do it with model paint
anyway
i was wondering if this would mess up the pickups in any way
i.e. will this make the sound distorted or cause it not to pick up
right?
also,
does anyone have a good suggestion for a type of paint to use?
i was worried that model paint might smell chemically like terpantine or
something...
StLSD2000
"Don't be such a dick in the M.U.D."
John Huff
<StLS...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> writes:
>
>which is the best pedal for dookie era green day Marshall type
>distortion?
>proco rat?
>bartolini tube-it?
>what are the opinions on this?
>
>someone told me to get a marshall JCM....
>note the word PEDAL
>not asking for amp suggestions
>looking for pedal suggestions
Note that a pedal will NOT cure your sound. The 'Green Day'punkish
sound sounds to me just like a simple cranked Marshall. No little 9v
battery run pedal gets that sound. 'Marshall type distortion' comes
from a Marshall or equiv. tube amp. What type of setup do you have now?
One cannot simply suggest a distorion pedal to get a tone all by
itself-what do you got to work with?
Daniel
Steve Watson
363D14...@Dangerous-Minds.Com...
>which is the best pedal for dookie era green day Marshall type
>distortion?
>proco rat?
>bartolini tube-it?
>what are the opinions on this?
>
>someone told me to get a marshall JCM....
>note the word PEDAL
>not asking for amp suggestions
>looking for pedal suggestions
>jcm and that the proco rat (original) sounds marshally
>does anyone know any pedals other than these that would sound like what
>i'm looking for?
>
Try a Tone Pump. They are available from Barber Electronics
(410) 298-6861
Also, get that EMG pickup outta your guitar and put something decent in
there.
NoOne
<StLS...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> wrote:
>which is the best pedal for dookie era green day Marshall type
>distortion?
>proco rat?
>bartolini tube-it?
>what are the opinions on this?
>
If you want a Marshall sound out of a pedal, get the Marshall
Shredmaster. It's like a Marshall preamp in a stompbox. I've owned a
number of different distortion pedals over the years, and IMO, the
Shredmaster is the best one out there.
Cheers!
-Clammy
Visit the FALLOUT ZONE :
http://www.capitalnet.com/~ironfist
If you like it HEAVY, it's the place to be!!
dj90...@my-dejanews.com
"Steve Watson" <gz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> StLSD2000 <StLS...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> wrote in message
> 363D14...@Dangerous-Minds.Com...
> >distortion?
> >proco rat?
> >bartolini tube-it?
> >what are the opinions on this?
> >
> >note the word PEDAL
> >not asking for amp suggestions
> >looking for pedal suggestions
> >i've heard that the bartolini tube-it was made to sound like a marshall
> >jcm and that the proco rat (original) sounds marshally
> >does anyone know any pedals other than these that would sound like what
> >i'm looking for?
> >
>
> Try a Tone Pump. They are available from Barber Electronics
> (410) 298-6861
>
> Also, get that EMG pickup outta your guitar and put something decent in
> there.
>
just what would you recommend?
Steve Watson
>> Try a Tone Pump. They are available from Barber Electronics
>> (410) 298-6861
>>
>> Also, get that EMG pickup outta your guitar and put something decent in
>> there.
>>
> why no emg'? they're good enough for metallica....those guys are heavy....
>just what would you recommend?
>
EMG's are low impedance pickups. You lose a lot of the responsiveness of the
guitar with these pickups. Now that I think of it, if you plan on playing
with massive amounts of distortion, it probably doesn't make any difference
which pickups you use. Guess I should have thought of that before posting.
My apologies.
Steve
Christopher Brown
my guitar rig.
I would not say the G-Force is as good. That would be a foolhearty
statement.
But it can be tweaked for a "reasonable" simulation. The chorus algors in
the G-Force (and M-2000) were patterned after that remarkable beast. That
is why TC gave the phase invert and LFO patterns in the G-Force Advanced
Chorus settings. I've been able to get that Spatial Expander / Haas thing
going okay for G_force live presets.
I have the 1210 when I'm recording, G-Force in the smokey bar, playing for
drunks attitude about my chorus these days.
Peace
Carlginger wrote in message <19981101124153...@ng117.aol.com>...
Christopher Brown
Paul Braunbehrens wrote in message ...
>In article <71hmv9$i...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, "Christopher Brown"
><christop...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> You sir are in grave error.
>
>Well, I wanted a discussion, I guess I'm getting it ;)
>
>
>> Paul Braunbehrens wrote in message ...
>> >Read this http://www.bakalite.com/Pages/Guitar/GPS.html for a review of
the
>> >G-Force. There is no way you can get "lush gorgeous" chorus out of the
>> >GForce, because it doesn't have any Chorus.
>> >Chorus is a relatively short
>> >delay that is modulated by a sinewave.
>>
>> What do you thinkk the LFO in the G-Force chorus is for!? In the G-Force
>> you can modulate by sine wave, saw wave, or any user defined curve! The
>> phase is also selectable for wider stereo sounds.
>> G-Force uses same speed-to-depth algorithyms as 2290 and allows custom
LFO
>> modulation.
>
>Not true. The delay algorithms in the GForce are such that if you modulate
>the delay time the pitch is kept constant via some fancy dsp footwork.
TC implicitly states that the chorus in the G-Force modulates delay time to
cause pitch variations.
>The same thing happens with the chorus, where the pitch is being modulated
and
>the delay time is being modulated, but the pitch is not being modulated by
>the fact that the delay time is changing.
Are you saying that pitch and delay were produced separately and each
modulated independently?
With the analog chorus units you had to modulate delay time to get the pitch
change didn't you?
I thought that was the whole banana.
Depth/Width control is extent of the LFO, Rate/Speed is the speed of the
cycle, and Delay is the delay time. The modulation of the delay varied the
pitch.
I have an original CE-1 as well.
It has Speed and Intensity. Intensity links delay time and depth of
modulation. What TC call golden ratio.
Incidentally, turn that off in G-Force to get the more whacked out chorus
sounds. Is this perhaps part of the dislike you experience. You can turn
off that coupling.
> This may sound like a subtle
>difference, but IMO makes for a huge difference in sound. It's kind of
>like freeze dried food, they take the water out, and later you put it back
>in. It's still the same ingredients, but it doesn't quite taste the same.
>
>
>> >The 2290 does this to perfection
>> >and is by far the best sounding chorus I have ever heard.
>>
>> Then why to people known for their chorus sounds who use TC gear use the
>> 2290 for delay and the 1210 for chorus!? No offense, 2290 does have a
nice
>> chorus but is smoked by the analog 1210, IMHO.
>
>
They call it Chorus Ensemble.
I have an original CE-1 as well.
> All this is a matter of definition and a
>matter of taste. I simply took a very narrow approach to the definition of
>chorus: a short delay that is being modulated and this modualtion induces
>some pitch variations in the delay. You can call anything you want a
>chorus, and your definition seems to be a little broader than mine. The
>only reason I used my definition in the first place is because I wanted to
>draw a line between the old way of doing a chorus-type effect and the new
>way.
>
>As far as how it sounds, this is obviously a very personal matter and there
>is no right and wrong.
Point taken!
>One more thing to be aware of is that there is no way to adjust the delay
>time of the chorus effect in the GForce.
>
Not true: Advanced Chorus Delay Time
Paul Braunbehrens
> TC implicitly states that the chorus in the G-Force modulates delay time to
> cause pitch variations.
>
> >The same thing happens with the chorus, where the pitch is being modulated
> and
> >the delay time is being modulated, but the pitch is not being modulated by
> >the fact that the delay time is changing.
>
> Are you saying that pitch and delay were produced separately and each
> modulated independently?
I think this is what is going on. I could be wrong.
> >> >The 2290 does this to perfection
> >> >and is by far the best sounding chorus I have ever heard.
> >>
> >> Then why to people known for their chorus sounds who use TC gear use the
> >> 2290 for delay and the 1210 for chorus!? No offense, 2290 does have a
> nice
> >> chorus but is smoked by the analog 1210, IMHO.
I'll have to try one if I can find one.
> >> In conclusion, I found the web review to be well formulated and well
> >> written, but the chorus statement is completely erroneous. If you don't
> >> like it's tonal qualities, so be it. But technically to say it isn't
> real
> >> chorus when it can do digitally exactly what my Boss CE-3 is doing
> analog,
> >> as well as much more, is simply not true. Check the G-Force manual under
> >> "Advanced Chorus".
SNIP
> >One more thing to be aware of is that there is no way to adjust the delay
> >time of the chorus effect in the GForce.
> >
> Not true: Advanced Chorus Delay Time
Right, but you are severly limited in how much you can control it. You are
right in saying that yoiu can control the delay time, it is indeed in the
advanced feature set. I must have forgotten about it when I spent so much
time tweaking the Lexicon unit. However, I still don't like the sound of
the chorus in the GForce, and I think this may be because there isn't a
whole lot of range for the chorus. I like a fairly long delay time, and I
also like a small amount of regeneration. Maybe the sound I'm after is
somewhere between a chorus and a slap back effect.
You are definetely correct in saying that I was wrong in my review though,
I'll change it right now. Thanks.
chumbucket
close. JK
NoOne
wrote:
>I've always found that EMG's rule for metal. Nothing passive comes
>close. JK
>
You should check out the DiMarzio X2N... output through the roof, and
boy is it FAT!
Kamchak Tuchuk
no_...@nowhere.net (NoOne) wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Nov 1998 00:29:23 GMT, chumbucket <chumb...@home.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I've always found that EMG's rule for metal. Nothing passive comes
>>close. JK
>>
>
>You should check out the DiMarzio X2N... output through the roof, and
>boy is it FAT!
Yuk! WAY too hot.......course, I guess you are
talking metal here......
Chip of Known Space
>In article <KTg%1.21$y15....@news.abs.net>,
> "Steve Watson" <gz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> StLSD2000 <StLS...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> wrote in message
>> 363D14...@Dangerous-Minds.Com...
>> >which is the best pedal for dookie era green day Marshall type
>> >distortion?
Er... what do they use? Sounds like a Boss pedal to me, like a DS-1
or Turbo Overdrive...
veteran teacher of 9,4567^23 Greenday guitar lessons,
Chip McDonald
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NoOne
wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Nov 1998 04:30:55 GMT,
>no_...@nowhere.net (NoOne) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 05 Nov 1998 00:29:23 GMT, chumbucket <chumb...@home.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I've always found that EMG's rule for metal. Nothing passive comes
>>>close. JK
>>>
>>
>>You should check out the DiMarzio X2N... output through the roof, and
>>boy is it FAT!
>
>
>Yuk! WAY too hot.......course, I guess you are
>talking metal here......
You are correct sir. For sheer output, it's the shit! As well, the
tone is beautiful, too!
StLSD2000
>
> In <363D14...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> StLSD2000
> <StLS...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> writes:
> >
> >distortion?
> >bartolini tube-it?
> >what are the opinions on this?
> >
> >someone told me to get a marshall JCM....
> >note the word PEDAL
> >not asking for amp suggestions
> >looking for pedal suggestions
>
> sound sounds to me just like a simple cranked Marshall. No little 9v
> battery run pedal gets that sound. 'Marshall type distortion' comes
> from a Marshall or equiv. tube amp. What type of setup do you have now?
> One cannot simply suggest a distorion pedal to get a tone all by
> itself-what do you got to work with?
>
> Daniel
Fender American Standard Strat with a Reissue '65 Twin Reverb
StLSD2000
no hotrods that i know of...
Chip of Known Space wrote:
>
> On Mon, 02 Nov 1998 21:23:12 GMT, dj90...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >In article <KTg%1.21$y15....@news.abs.net>,
> > "Steve Watson" <gz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> StLSD2000 <StLS...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> wrote in message
> >> 363D14...@Dangerous-Minds.Com...
>
> >> >which is the best pedal for dookie era green day Marshall type
> >> >distortion?
>
Jonathan Krogh
StLSD2000 wrote in message <36429C...@Dangerous-Minds.Com>...
Jonathan Krogh
StLSD2000 wrote in message <36429B...@Dangerous-Minds.Com>...
>John Huff wrote:
>>
>> In <363D14...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> StLSD2000
>> <StLS...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> writes:
>> >
>> >distortion?
>> >bartolini tube-it?
>> >what are the opinions on this?
>> >
>> >someone told me to get a marshall JCM....
>> >note the word PEDAL
>> >not asking for amp suggestions
>> >looking for pedal suggestions
>>
>> Note that a pedal will NOT cure your sound. The 'Green Day'punkish
>> sound sounds to me just like a simple cranked Marshall. No little 9v
>> battery run pedal gets that sound. 'Marshall type distortion' comes
>> from a Marshall or equiv. tube amp. What type of setup do you have now?
>> One cannot simply suggest a distorion pedal to get a tone all by
>> itself-what do you got to work with?
>>
>> Daniel
>
>Fender American Standard Strat with a Reissue '65 Twin Reverb
>
and a cool cat chorus
StLSD2000
>
> JCM 800 master vol(2210? 2205?) is what i heard
the JCM 800 is his backup amp.
It's the amp from the Basket Case video.
but the ACTUAL amp that was used on recording was the 1959 SLP.
I'm a big Green Day fan so I know what I'm talking about.
>
> StLSD2000 wrote in message <36429C...@Dangerous-Minds.Com>...
> >Billy Joe uses a Marshall 1959 SLP
> >
> >no hotrods that i know of...
> >
> >Chip of Known Space wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 02 Nov 1998 21:23:12 GMT, dj90...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <KTg%1.21$y15....@news.abs.net>,
> >> > "Steve Watson" <gz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> StLSD2000 <StLS...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> wrote in message
> >> >> 363D14...@Dangerous-Minds.Com...
> >>
> >> >> >which is the best pedal for dookie era green day Marshall type
> >> >> >distortion?
> >>
Chris Apthorp
finest. Lots of highs and lows with medium mid.....Mmmmm sweetness.
On Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:48:23 -0600, StLSD2000
<StLS...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> wrote:
>John Huff wrote:
>>
>> In <363D14...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> StLSD2000
>> <StLS...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> writes:
>> >
>> >which is the best pedal for dookie era green day Marshall type
>> >distortion?
Rebel without a Clue©
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Or even a *good* solid state amp. Valvestates are total crap even for a
solid state amp, IMO.
Daniel
Brian H.
split channel 100 watt because it was dirtier and more versatile. The JCM
went down one night and I happened to borrow a friend's VS100. The VS100
sounded so good to me, the band, and our sound man that I bought my own and
used it as my gigging amp. (I keep the contour rolled off and the other EQ
controls up, and use full size Marshall boxes, not VS).
StLSD2000
If I can't get a good marshall type distortion out of a pedal then what
pedal will get me the closest?
Cmon guys, don't make me buy a marshall micro amp here! ;)
Rebel without a Clue© wrote:
>
> Except a good tube amp.
>
Gattman
and a Color control to balance the two. Drive this baby hard into any
amp with a good bass response, and you're in punk heaven.
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using them both at once though
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John Huff
<verb...@home.com> writes:
>
>FWIW I have 4 old JTM and JMP heads and used to gig steadily with a
JCM
>split channel 100 watt because it was dirtier and more versatile. The
JCM
>went down one night and I happened to borrow a friend's VS100. The
VS100
>sounded so good to me, the band, and our sound man that I bought my
own and
>used it as my gigging amp. (I keep the contour rolled off and the
other EQ
>controls up, and use full size Marshall boxes, not VS).
>
The couple of times I played on a Valvestate, it was thin, buzzy,
unresponsive, undynamic crap, IMO. No tone at all...not knocking your
opinion or anything, but it is a mystery to me how you can go from JTM
and JMP's to a valvestate...
Daniel
StLSD2000
not a valvestate.
Whatever, I'm buying a proco rat guys so no more on this subject! :)
StLSD2000
"Don't be such a dick in the M.U.D."
drovier
alt.guitar.amps. Wouldn't want this to get ugly!
drovier
StLSD2000
i sort of agree with you but keep in mind that J. from White Zombie uses
a valvestate on a lot of songs. but then again, he also uses Sean's bass
amp pretty much ALL THE TIME...
John Huff
<StLS...@Dangerous-Minds.Com> writes:
>
>drovier wrote:
>>
>> Valvestate?? oooohhhh be careful. I see your crossposting to
>> alt.guitar.amps. Wouldn't want this to get ugly!
>>
>> drovier
>
>i sort of agree with you but keep in mind that J. from White Zombie
uses
>a valvestate on a lot of songs. but then again, he also uses Sean's
bass
>amp pretty much ALL THE TIME...
>
>StLSD2000
>
Ooo. the benchmark of tone
Daniel