Compressors? aka Gary Moore, the F'n Champs, and Randy Rhodes???
mike
I've always been in awe of the sound of the above 3 artists/bands....in
particular their sustain and attack sounds on individual notes is just
amazing....
So how do Gary Moore, the Fucking Champs, and Randy Rhodes get that attack
and sustain???
Is it a compressor? Do they use a compressor with their guitar live?
I was digging around guitargeek.com (they have the rigs of a lot of
guitarists) and didn't find many people who used a compressor...
mike
Andrew Silkebakken
sustain and to add some "clean gain." I can then use it as a level boost
for solos or to get a more metallic basic tone. Really needs to be used in
conjunction with an EQ though for best results.
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Classic pyramid scam.
Emperorhussar
I was thinking the same thing after listening to Gary Moore. His sustain is
amazing. I can't beleive that is without some compressor or digital shit even
though he says he used a Guvnor pedal.
mike
I read an interview with him once that said his guitar is really hard to
control on stage....he has certain places he can stand and certain that he
can't.
what is a Guvnor pedal?
Moore his this one blues song were I swear he holds a note for damn near a
minute. WTF?
There is this sound on the Fucking Champs records (an indie band) that
blows me away....it's sort of like a combination of (Iron Maiden, Thin
Lizzy, and other NWOBHM)....I just wish I knew how they get the "sound".
the list all the gear in their liner notes...but being a newbie hard to
make heads or tails of the stuff.
Urei 1176LN
Urei La-4
Urei LA-22
Amek 909B
Manley Vari-Mu
Neumann PEV
Filtek MKIII
Neumann W495B
1976 MCI JH-16 with Analog Devices OP176GP op amps
1985 Otari MX-70
Ampex 4408
Otari MX 5050 25D2
huh?
mike
The Chris
The Chris
pedal put out by Marshall. If I remember correctly, there's a picture
of it on his "Still Got The Blues" CD - the cover with the kid sitting
in his bedroom...
PennyDreadful
> Urei La-4
> Urei LA-22
These are FINE compressors.
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litepipe
a stereo compressor/limiter by Manley.
--Roger
Peter Hawkinson
<mho...@xbaptismofsolitude.org> wrote:
> So how do Gary Moore, the Fucking Champs, and Randy Rhodes get that attack
> and sustain???
> Is it a compressor? Do they use a compressor with their guitar live?
Don't know about recording, but the Champs don't use compressors live.
Guitars are customized Kay (Josh) and Hagstrom (Tim). I believe both use
"The Guv'nor" pedals and older Marshall heads. I think most of the tone is
in the players in their case...
-p
tim gueguen
>
> the list all the gear in their liner notes...but being a newbie hard to
> make heads or tails of the stuff.
>
> Urei 1176LN
> Urei La-4
> Urei LA-22
> Amek 909B
> Manley Vari-Mu
>
> Neumann PEV
Some sort of studio equaliser.
> Filtek MKIII
Swiss made recording console equaliser
> Neumann W495B
>
Mastering equaliser unit.
> 1976 MCI JH-16 with Analog Devices OP176GP op amps
Mid 70s 16 track analog tape recorder with the op amps in its circuitry
upgraded.
> 1985 Otari MX-70
16 track analog tape recorder using 1 inch width tape.
> Ampex 4408
8 track analog tape recorder
> Otari MX 5050 25D2
>
Half inch analog tape recorder used for mixdown.
Neat isn't it what you can find with a few minutes of online research.
tim gueguen 101867
mike
attack
> > and sustain???
> > Is it a compressor? Do they use a compressor with their guitar live?
>
> Don't know about recording, but the Champs don't use compressors live.
> Guitars are customized Kay (Josh) and Hagstrom (Tim). I believe both use
> "The Guv'nor" pedals and older Marshall heads. I think most of the tone is
> in the players in their case...
this is interesting to know....they compress the hell out of the guitars
(it sounds like on their records) and I have seen them live a couple of
times (never thought to look at their setup) and they sound very similar to
their records when it comes to tone.
customized guitars huh.......
and this is the 2nd time I've seen mention o f "The Guv'nor" pedal....I
just did a little reading.....
(I am a guitar beginner so be patient)....one thing I read indicated it was
just a distortion pedal but another thing I read talked about it being a
limiter and overdrive.
would someone mind explaining overdrive?
and does anyone know how Gary Moore gets that sustain?
mike
litepipe
> this is interesting to know....they compress the hell out of the guitars
> (it sounds like on their records) and I have seen them live a couple of
> times (never thought to look at their setup) and they sound very similar
to
> their records when it comes to tone.
> customized guitars huh.......
Just because they don't have a compressor in their pedal chain doesn't
mean that they're not being compressed. They may be applying compression to
the mic.
--Roger
Andrew Silkebakken
an amp. Darrell from Pantera is a prime example.
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Guitaris Fredimus
after his signal hits a mic - i'm not sure, and it really doesn't
matter. Most of Gary's "thing" Comes from him and his fingers, a great
guitar, and the experience to extract the best from the combination.
Those of you that are using "Still got the blues" as a reference
shouldcheck out his older stuff, same vibe.
Steve2000indeja
It's a great image. The ultimate bedroom woodshedding picture.
I've read the articles where Gary details his recording rig for at least his
first back-to the-blues album. Vintage Les Paul into the original Guvnor pedal
into Marshall Bluesbreaker combo as I recall. Very nice rig, especially if you
have Gary's chops and if you are in playing situations where you can crank the
amp into powerstage overdrive. could be sustain city.
As noted on this thread, some outboard studio compression can smooth things out
and add even more sustain. If they did this as he was tracking, Gary could
listen to it in the phones and 'play to it.'
Still, I have both his "Blues Alive" cd and video and Gary is just bursting
with *perfect* blues overdrive and Tons of sustain live onstage. Heading into
Van Halen brownsound land. Harmonics and hammerons-maybe even a bit of
tapping- jump out with little coaxing. He even switches to a strat a couple
times and gets hotrodded strat bluesrock tone and again, sustain for days.
Gary's amp is clearly visible on the video. It's a Soldano SLO half stack.
Soldanos were at their peak of popularity circa that early 90s time and I
always thought that amp- along with the primo Les Paul and his touch- were the
keys to Moore's great overdrive, sustain, tone. Haven't looked at the vid
lately to see if there's a Guvnor on the floor.
I got the vid in the early 90s and for years just assumed the Soldano was what
he used in the studio on the blues albums, as the tones were similarly great to
the live release.
As time went by this early 90s "Gary Moore (Blues) Tone" (imo a
descendent/update of the righteous mid 60s Clapton-Bluesbreakers tone) became
desirable enough that some folks began using it as descriptor for great blues
rock tone. Eventually articles/a website appeared where Gary explained the
Guvnor/Marshall amp rig he used on the studio blues releases.
I owned an original Guvnor and-imo- there was nothing magical about it. It's
'ok.' I much prefer my Chandler Tube Driver. The Guvnor looks cool and has a
cool name and was made by Marshall. Maybe hooked up to a 59-60 Les Paul and
played through a dimed Bluesbreaker, mic-ed and compressed in a controlled pro
studio environment it would sound great. Dunno, I've never owned those exact
pieces or been in that situation.
I do know that Moore gets great sustaining blues rock tone on 'Blues Alive' and
it's a Soldano SLO, various fine guitars and his hands. And *maybe* a pedal of
some sort. None of the info I've read mentions a compressor stompbox.
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I have a vid clip of the short lived 'cream-like' BBM power trio thing Gary did
with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker. Eric Clapton had nixed a Cream reunion around
the time Cream got inducted into the RRHall of Fame. Gary is basically
'standing in' as a Cream-era EC replacement in BBM.
In the live vid clip he plays fine- a Les Paul through at least one Marshall
stack. The tone is very good, but not the killer tone he gets on his own studio
blues albums or on 'Blues Alive.' His BBM studio tones are very good too, but
less gain and sustain. Not quite the righteous, sustaining wailing tones on
Moore's own blues stuff. Gary seems to be doing an homage to Cream in BBM. To
be expected.
I'm still thinking the Soldano SLO was pretty key to Gary's early 90s
to-die-for tone. SLO's were one of the first hotrodded-out-of-the-box British
sounding amps. You supposedly didn't need some secret mod or whizbang pedal on
the front end. That gain /sustain/edge was (supposedly) built in.
If I had his considerable chops, I'd certainly settle for the tones Gary comes
up with on 'Blues Alive' using a (vintage) Les Paul/SLO rig. _maybe_ a guvnor.
imo
Steve
bobpopp
gary with the tonebender and then tube screamer then the guv'nor,
randy with the mxr distortion+, and the champs with everything else!
just set your amp up on the verge of break-up and then on the pedal
set the distortion and level in the on and off position to be equal,
so you don't piss off the soundman.
good luck, remember humbuckers are quite but feedback faster than
single coils.
bp.
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the way up. Recording at high volume adds a certain amount of natural
compression, but is not something a bedroom guitarist can get away with.
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Paul Patience
he talked about the sustained note in "Parisian Walkways" and how there
would be "anoraks" in the front row seeing how long be would hold the note.
When I saw him live in Edinburgh there was a big X marked on the stage and
this is where he stood for the solo.He said that during sound checks he
would roam about the stage to find a sweet spot that would give him sustain
and allow him to hold the note teetering on feedback.
At the time he was still using the "Peter Green" LP for the song and
Marshall JMP50's.
Hope that helps.
I never saw the Guv'Nor referred to as a limiter I have one of the original
UK built ones and see it as just a distortion box although with a wide
sweep.
Pól
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bobpopp
case. but i will say the marshall powerbreak is a good thing to have
around. as far as recording goes, high volumes really don't make for
good tracks.
bp.
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