Dist Pedals Make Amp Sound Thin HELP!
Ed
On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:58:37 -0500, "Paul Brannon"
<paul-b...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Most dist. pedals thru a clean channel will sound thinner than an
>overdriven-to-hi-gain tube amp. The Boss DS-1 with tone off and gain max is
>OK (Satriani), the Danelectro DaddyO can be tweaked for thickness. Classic
>example: Fuzz Face into clean Fender (Twin or the like) vs. Fuzz Face into
>Marshall 4-input on "4" to "6" volume. The compression happening in the
>Marshall smooths out the thin fuzz tone, the Fender pretty much repeats the
>thin-ness.
>Chris and Tracy wrote in message
>
I don't know which amp this guy has. My super reverb does sound thin
and harsh with some pedals, until I turn the bright switch off. Then
it sounds good. I find a RAT pedal works good with a fender amp, it
must have been designed for fender's eq curve or something.
Chris and Tracy
I've tried numerous distortion pedals through my clean channel and all of
them sound much thinner than the gain channel on my amp. The problem is I
don't know if I like the gain channel on the amp but I don't want to thin
out the sound. What should I do?
Amp:Seymour Duncan 100watt Convertible
Cab: Marshall 4x10 (1965A?)
Guitar: Gibson Les Paul Studio
Dist Pedals I've Tried: Tubeworks Tubedriver, Boss Super Overdrive, Boss
Metal Zone and ProCo Rat/
fin...@sprint.ca
Paul Brannon
han...@ttc.com
"Chris and Tracy" <fin...@sprint.ca> wrote:
>
> I've tried numerous distortion pedals through my clean channel and all of
> them sound much thinner than the gain channel on my amp.
Most distortion pedals benefit from tone adjustment on
both the input and output sides. You could:
1) back off the guitar tone & and bump the amp bass;
2) use an equalizer pedal (or 2) with the distortion pedal;
Also, the Tech 21 XXL is a versatile little box that
needs a lot of experimentation to get your favorite tone.
It cleans up well when you back off the guitar volume -
and less DRIVE (like zero) is often better. It's worth
auditioning once, but isn't for everyone.
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Chris and Tracy
So it sounds like your saying that this is pretty much the way it is. So
why do people use dist. pedals if it changes the sound from a fat tube sound
to a thin SS sound? Maybe the thin sound would be ok for power chords and
the amp distortion for subtler distortion?
Chris
Paul Brannon wrote in message <6mocbf$k...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
nocturnal10
Chris and Tracy wrote:
>
> So it sounds like your saying that this is pretty much the way it is. So
> why do people use dist. pedals if it changes the sound from a fat tube sound
> to a thin SS sound? Maybe the thin sound would be ok for power chords and
> the amp distortion for subtler distortion?
> Chris
My best guess as to why people who have gain channels and still use
dist.boxes is that many guitarist get suckered into buying 100w amps
instead of a reasobnably usefull 50w or even better a 25 watter.Short of
the Big Top you'll never rev that 100w up enough to get its true sound.A
smaller amp can be cranked more and get that overdrive.Believe it, a
cranked 25 watt amp is plenty loud.
Caster
up to 4
Caster
Jeff
Problem with smaller amps - which I love and have many, BTW - is that
you get absolutely NO stage volume at outdoor gigs. Admitedly, I only
play a few outdoors gigs a year (hopefully in July rather than January
:) but the little ones get lost, even with a great sound man and a mic'd
amp and a great monitor system, into the vacuum of the great wide open -
to borrow a phrase from Tom Petty). Somehow I can never seen to hear
myself. The smaller amps have a definate role, and can even be made to
sound as big as a 100W'er with a sufficently efficent speaker such as an
EVM12L or the like, but sometimes it just takes a lot of watts to move a
lot of air on so that the guys on stage can hear.
Ben Greer
It could be that the distortion pedals you have tried are "scooping your
tone" - ie lowering the mids, which can cause a thin sound. Try turning up
the mids on your amp, or try a distortion box that has a mids control, or
use an EQ pedal. I have found that the full on distortion boxes (like Boss
metal Zones) tend to sound "thin" when playing in a band situation. I now
use a Marshall Blues Breaker, which is more of an overdrive, and doesn't
compress the signal as much, and lets my sound really cut through when
playing with a bassist, another guitarist and drums.
Chris and Tracy <fin...@sprint.ca> wrote in article
<898593338.255192@michelob>...
> I've tried numerous distortion pedals through my clean channel and all of
Tristan Tzara
Ben Greer wrote in message
<01bd9f27$2bcc6b80$394b...@vv.teletechintl.com>...
>It could be that the distortion pedals you have tried are "scooping
your
>tone" - ie lowering the mids, which can cause a thin sound. Try
turning up
>the mids on your amp, or try a distortion box that has a mids
control, or
>use an EQ pedal. I have found that the full on distortion boxes (like
Boss
>metal Zones) tend to sound "thin" when playing in a band situation. I
now
>use a Marshall Blues Breaker, which is more of an overdrive, and
doesn't
>compress the signal as much, and lets my sound really cut through
when
>playing with a bassist, another guitarist and drums.
this is right on. i hate almost all dist pedals because they too, too
often change the eq of your original signal. the blues breaker is a
great pedal. try the other marshall pedals if you want a smoother,
more sustaining signal, esp. the unfortunately named "shred master".
these fx are really good at adding and not taking from your signal.
because of it's negligible effect on the overall tonal balance of a
signal, my fav, since my long lost high school days, remains a *old*
dod fx50 overdrive (the one with only lvl, dist, and no tone knob).
it's nice as long as you keep the dist setting below 4.5 or so, but
it's a *really* limited one-tick pony, not even adding much boost when
the lvl is maxed. it sounds like this won't be enough fuzz for your
tastes, however.
short of getting a smaller amp that overdrives at the vol. you play
at, seek out the marshall pedals.
good luck!!! -tt
Caster
if you have 2 small amps, you can use one that will get miked and use
the other for stage fill
nocturnal10
better,but like you said,if you only have a couple a year is it worth it
to carry it around all the club gigs?(assuming you don't have more than
one amp)
Joe Breher
Jeff wrote:
>
>
> Problem with smaller amps - which I love and have many, BTW - is that
> you get absolutely NO stage volume at outdoor gigs. Admitedly, I only
> play a few outdoors gigs a year (hopefully in July rather than January
> :) but the little ones get lost, even with a great sound man and a mic'd
> amp and a great monitor system, into the vacuum of the great wide open -
> to borrow a phrase from Tom Petty). Somehow I can never seen to hear
> myself. The smaller amps have a definate role, and can even be made to
> sound as big as a 100W'er with a sufficently efficent speaker such as an
> EVM12L or the like, but sometimes it just takes a lot of watts to move a
> lot of air on so that the guys on stage can hear.
Now, my experience leads me to believe this is a problem with an open
back cab, as opposed to a closed back.
Outside (or on huge indoor stages), I can get by with even a low
wattage amp, as long as it's in a sealed cab. 12W through a Marshall
4x12 seems to be more audible on a large stage than a 130W, open
back 2x12 combo.
I think this is beacuse in a smaller space, you're getting benefit of the
walls, floor, cieling, etc. Your amp is pushing into a 45 degree x 45
degree space, as opposed to 180 x 180 outside (or more, if elevated).
Joe the wanderer
Spayd
You've got to use the dist.pedal into the lead or gain channel on your amp..
but don't get ALL the distortion from the pedal. Have you tried setting the
pedal distortion to maybe 9 o'clock or 11 o'clock, then turning the AMP up?
You get a more natural disortion this way..sounds fatter too.
Rick Torres
Is your amp solid state? if yes, there is the bulk of your problem. try a 50
watt tube amp
the tone should be much much warmer! we're talking a full tube amp, not
just the preamp stage! the power tubes is where the warmth comes from. good
luck.