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Mr. Green

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Jan 3, 2010, 6:41:10 PM1/3/10
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To join in with the previous guys who have posted a recording, he's
mine. The rest of you have inspired me to have a go at singing so here
it is:

Bon Jovi's - Always, with me singing (a very rare event) and a bit of
guitar noodling at the end.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=598068

Green

P.S. recorded with the built in mic on my micro br.

dAVE B

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Jan 4, 2010, 6:47:20 AM1/4/10
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"Mr. Green" <cl...@wheatleymetalfabrications.co.uk> wrote in message
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Like this one!
It's a good song to start with,i like the way you've played and sang it...
The noodling at the end is ace!! sounds very musical/melodic...
Could have done with a bit more of that!

Wasn't what i expected,but i enjoyed it all the more for that!

regards,
dAVE B

Mr. Green

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:42:00 AM1/4/10
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Thanks for your comments, your very generous.

I found this tune in a book on Sunday and thought I'd give it a go.
Now I'm definately gonna work on it a bit more.

Thanks again, Green

ed s

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:53:23 AM1/4/10
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On Jan 3, 5:41 pm, "Mr. Green" <cl...@wheatleymetalfabrications.co.uk>
wrote:

Nice - & great vocals (thats the toughest part) - keep em coming. This
is what I'd like to see more of. Just put it out there.. ed

dAVE B

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:55:35 AM1/4/10
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"Mr. Green" <cl...@wheatleymetalfabrications.co.uk> wrote in message

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Hehe :)
Wouldn't say i was being generous!...i do like the experience of listening
to others,everyone has there own unique sound to my ears!!
I did go through a phase of playing acoustic and singing..
I never had the courage to record it,so i applaud you for that...

regards,
dAVE B

Mr. Green

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Jan 4, 2010, 10:14:47 AM1/4/10
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LOL, I've got to the age now were I no longer worry about making a
fool of myself.

There are far worse things in life and this time, I've had a very
pleasent positive result ;-)

Cheers, Green

Squier

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Jan 4, 2010, 9:54:48 PM1/4/10
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> Mr. Green <cl...@wheatleymetalfabrications.co.uk> wrote:

thanks for putting it up and sharing. that's cool of you to do.
and I liked the noodling around at the end. best part of the song (imho).

Mr. Green

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Jan 5, 2010, 4:00:46 AM1/5/10
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Thanks for the feedback Squier. I now feel confident to add "competent
noodler" on to my CV :-)

I think the trick with the noodling is, keep your mind on what chords
you would be playing over if somebody else was playing rhythm. Then
you play short arpeggios and little runs based around notes from the
chord you would be playing over. I am also addicted to licks based on
ascending and decending 6th or 3rd intervals. Of course you need to
throw in the odd full chord now and then, just to keep the sound full.
This time, I based my noodle around the chords of the chorus.

Recently I've been working on some instrumental bluegrass tunes. I
think some of that stuff has shown me how even simple chord and bass
run arrangement can sound really good. It's made me realise that I can
play solo acoustic guitar with just a pick.

Kind comments aside, I know need to work on my singing but, you've all
given me enough confidence to believe it's worth me putting a bit of
time into it.

Cheers, Green

jimmy

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Jan 5, 2010, 10:12:27 AM1/5/10
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That's pretty good Mr. Green. Here's all I got from about a year ago.

http://tinyurl.com/yecjub3

Seagull grand with LR Baggs pup direct to windoze recorder.

Mr. Green

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Jan 5, 2010, 10:59:45 AM1/5/10
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That's a nice clear recording and it's retained a good acoustic
quality too, considering it's direct input. I like your playing, real
pretty. Is that fingerstyle or do you use hybred picking?

I'm not really into recording, rather spend more time playing guitar.
I just sat the micro br on top of the bed and sat down about 2 ft away
and played. I was pleasently surprised that the vocal and guitar
balanced OK. Now I know I can get away with just doing that, I'll
hopefully use the recorder a bit more.

Green

Paul L

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Jan 5, 2010, 11:04:44 AM1/5/10
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"jimmy" <bigto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> That's pretty good Mr. Green. Here's all I got from about a year ago.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yecjub3
>
> Seagull grand with LR Baggs pup direct to windoze recorder.

That's pretty nice, Jimmy. I heard some Tom Rush in there
and then some Bruce Cockburn. My kinda stuff.

cheers

Paul


Paul L

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Jan 5, 2010, 11:13:43 AM1/5/10
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"Mr. Green" <cl...@wheatleymetalfabrications.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Thanks for your comments, your very generous.
>
> I found this tune in a book on Sunday and thought I'd give it a go.
> Now I'm definately gonna work on it a bit more.
>
> Thanks again, Green

I like the tune ... would prefer to hear more "commitment" in the vocals.
That recorder is a great tool for fine tuning a song. You'd think you
can listen and play at the same time but the recorder picks up the nuances
that you might miss while playing.

I also like the instrumental ending ... fits very well.

Very nice for such a quick workup of the song. I think with a little work
it could be a stunner.

cheers

Paul


Mr. Green

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Jan 5, 2010, 11:37:46 AM1/5/10
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Cheers Paul. I know just what you mean about commitment in the vocals.
I think I'll be able to do something about that once I've learned the
words properly. If you hadn't guessed, the big pause near the
beginning was when I turned the page :o)

Yep, recording definately shows you more than you hear when you're
playing. Ignorance may be bliss but, it's probably better to know what
everyone else is hearing.

Thanks, Green

jimmy

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Jan 5, 2010, 12:56:20 PM1/5/10
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:59:45 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Green"
<cl...@wheatleymetalfabrications.co.uk> wrote:

>On 5 Jan, 15:12, jimmy <bigtoeh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:41:10 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Green"
>>
>> <cl...@wheatleymetalfabrications.co.uk> wrote:
>> >To join in with the previous guys who have posted a recording, he's
>> >mine. The rest of you have inspired me to have a go at singing so here
>> >it is:
>>
>> >Bon Jovi's - Always, with me singing (a very rare event) and a bit of
>> >guitar noodling at the end.
>>
>> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=598068
>>
>> >Green
>>
>> >P.S. recorded with the built in mic on my micro br.
>>
>> That's pretty good Mr. Green. �Here's all I got from about a year ago.
>>
>> �http://tinyurl.com/yecjub3
>>
>> Seagull grand with LR Baggs pup direct to windoze recorder.
>
>That's a nice clear recording and it's retained a good acoustic
>quality too, considering it's direct input. I like your playing, real
>pretty. Is that fingerstyle or do you use hybred picking?

Thanks. I'm pretty sure it's just fingerstyle. I've been playing
like that so long I barely think about it anymore. I was impressed
too with the clarity. It was a lot simpler than I imagined. I
remember it took me a few tries to get the passage to just under 1
minute as that's all the windows recorder will give you by default.
I've since been told that you can record over a longer wav file but
haven't tried yet.

jimmy

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Jan 5, 2010, 1:02:29 PM1/5/10
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:04:44 -0700, "Paul L" <pa...@smamlesskbtrans.net>
wrote:

Thanks. Don't know much about Tom Rush but yes, it was all cockburn.
I've been a fan since the beginning. I'm pretty sure the guy can
walk on water too.

Paul L

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Jan 5, 2010, 2:57:47 PM1/5/10
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"jimmy" <bigto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks. Don't know much about Tom Rush but yes, it was all cockburn.
> I've been a fan since the beginning. I'm pretty sure the guy can
> walk on water too.

I don't know about that but he DID do the tune "Waterwalker" for the
canoeing movie way back :-)

Here's my version of Bruce's "Salt Sun and Time"

http://www.youtube.com/user/kbtrans#p/u/22/DVCU2-SDlVM

cheers

Paul


jimmy

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Jan 5, 2010, 3:29:57 PM1/5/10
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:57:47 -0700, "Paul L" <pa...@smamlesskbtrans.net>
wrote:

>

Nice! That really brings me back. Good job on "Lord of the
Starfields" too.

tony

Squier

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Jan 5, 2010, 10:54:15 PM1/5/10
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> Mr. Green <cl...@wheatleymetalfabrications.co.uk> wrote:

> On 5 Jan, 02:54, Squier <squ...@strats.net> wrote:
> > > Mr. Green <cl...@wheatleymetalfabrications.co.uk> wrote:
> > > To join in with the previous guys who have posted a recording, he's
> > > mine. The rest of you have inspired me to have a go at singing so here
> > > it is:
> >
> > > Bon Jovi's - Always, with me singing (a very rare event) and a bit of
> > > guitar noodling at the end.
> >
> > >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=598068
> >
> > > Green
> >
> > > P.S. recorded with the built in mic on my micro br.
> >
> > thanks for putting it up and sharing. �that's cool of you to do.
> > and I liked the noodling around at the end. �best part of the song (imho).
>
> Thanks for the feedback Squier. I now feel confident to add "competent
> noodler" on to my CV :-)
>
> I think the trick with the noodling is, keep your mind on what chords
> you would be playing over if somebody else was playing rhythm. Then
> you play short arpeggios and little runs based around notes from the
> chord you would be playing over. I am also addicted to licks based on
> ascending and decending 6th or 3rd intervals. Of course you need to
> throw in the odd full chord now and then, just to keep the sound full.
> This time, I based my noodle around the chords of the chorus.

Hey - there's never one right way to do it. I like your approach.
It's the same with blues people playing lead over standard I, IV, V.
Some just play minor pentatonic over everything - but some mix it up
a bit and play major pentatonic over the 1st chord and then minor over IV and V.
Adds a little variety. As you know we could both site endless examples
of all sorts of variations.

>
> Recently I've been working on some instrumental bluegrass tunes. I
> think some of that stuff has shown me how even simple chord and bass
> run arrangement can sound really good. It's made me realise that I can
> play solo acoustic guitar with just a pick.

Yep. lots of people do. Especially guitarists that started out on
electric with flat picking and then move over to acoustics.
They bring the flat pick with them and work it out from there.
You can't quite finger pick or chicken pick with flat pick but
you can certainly get some finger pick type things going on with
picking bass/root (wound string) and then strum or arpeggiate the chord... etc.

Anyways I like your style and I learned a bit from it.
You don't have the same old approach. Very cool.
It's kinda like single note lead with enough chording to fill it all up.
And your 3rd/6th interval is also a good tip.

Thanks.

Sean

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Jan 6, 2010, 3:08:37 AM1/6/10
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Mr. Green wrote:

> Kind comments aside, I know need to work on my singing but, you've all
> given me enough confidence to believe it's worth me putting a bit of
> time into it.

I like the timbre of your voice. There were places where it was pitchy
etc, but the tone is really nice.

I've found that singing with a certain amount of gusto helps one sing in
pitch. If one is recording alone in a room in the house, listening on
the headset, one can tend to sing at a rather low energy level, not
wanting to be heard by the other folks in the house. It's really hard to
sing in pitch at such low energy levels.

Believing in the good tone of your voice (which you should, 'cause it's
a nice sounding voice) might help you get over the gusto block and let
'er rip.

Anyway, if someone is really lettin' 'er rip, with gusto and passion and
all of that, a bit of pitchiness doesn't matter. It will be interesting
for the listeners.

Mr. Green

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Jan 6, 2010, 3:44:44 AM1/6/10
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On 6 Jan, 08:08, Sean <s...@fakemail.con> wrote:
> Mr. Green wrote:
> > Kind comments aside, I know need to work on my singing but, you've all
> > given me enough confidence to believe it's worth me putting a bit of
> > time into it.
>
> I like the timbre of your voice. There were places where it was pitchy
> etc, but the tone is really nice.

Thanks, that's a real confidence boost.


>
> I've found that singing with a certain amount of gusto helps one sing in
> pitch. If one is recording alone in a room in the house, listening on
> the headset, one can tend to sing at a rather low energy level, not
> wanting to be heard by the other folks in the house. It's really hard to
> sing in pitch at such low energy levels.

I wasn't using a head set, because it was only one take, but the rest
of your comments are smack on. Having a small house and not wanting to
disturb everyone else can be a real pain.

>
> Believing in the good tone of your voice (which you should, 'cause it's
> a nice sounding voice) might help you get over the gusto block and let
> 'er rip.

That's my next aim then, learn the words well, send the family on a
day trip, then go for it.

>
> Anyway, if someone is really lettin' 'er rip, with gusto and passion and
> all of that, a bit of pitchiness doesn't matter. It will be interesting
> for the listeners.

Cheers, Green

Mr. Green

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Jan 6, 2010, 4:22:49 AM1/6/10
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On 6 Jan, 03:54, Squier <squ...@strats.net> wrote:
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>
> > Recently I've been working on some instrumental bluegrass tunes. I
> > think some of that stuff has shown me how even simple chord and bass
> > run arrangement can sound really good. It's made me realise that I can
> > play solo acoustic guitar with just a pick.
>
> Yep. lots of people do.  Especially guitarists that started out on
> electric with flat picking and then move over to acoustics.
> They bring the flat pick with them and work it out from there.
> You can't quite finger pick or chicken pick with flat pick but
> you can certainly get some finger pick type things going on with
> picking bass/root (wound string) and then strum or arpeggiate the chord... etc.

Yes that's me, switched from mainly electric. I can fingerpick a bit
and, for quite a while I thought that was the only way to play decent
solo acoustic.

>
> Anyways I like your style and I learned a bit from it.
> You don't have the same old approach.  Very cool.
> It's kinda like single note lead with enough chording to fill it all up.
> And your 3rd/6th interval is also a good tip.
>
> Thanks.

I like your description. What also gave me the confidence to stick
with this style was, listening to early solo / trio jazz guitarists
like Kenny Burrell (check out albums like Midnight Blue). He's miles
above anything I do but I learned to play Midnight Blue (without the
lead break) and it makes a great solo guitar song. Basically it's just
chords and lead mixed together like you said.

Another thing you can learn from those jazz guys. You can get
surprisingly full sounding chords from just three notes. Try 5th fret
5th string, 4th fret 4th string, 5th fret 3rd string for a D7 chord.
That's just root, third and seventh. There are a lot of these little
shape which are real easy to grab all over the neck so, you can fit
them into single note lick quite easily. The thing it took me longest
to learn was - don't over do it, space is good.

Really pleased you found this style interesting, Green

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