revolution
Pt
Today Shell in my area lowered their gas prices by 20 cents per gal.
I got a call from Verizon saying that they are lowering the phone
rates by 30 percent.
I see fantastic prices on basses and guitars.
Maybe the big corporations are getting smart before the revolution
starts.
Pt
Paul P
Ha! Way too many greedy MBAs around for that to happen.
Paul P
jthread
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keep us from revolting.
Thomas
What revolution? The other day I drove into a gas station with 18 bays and
had to wait because everyone was filling up. The real revolution begins at
the ballot box and even that wont work sometimes.
Dwight
Wish you were a little closer to Texas PT. I could use a small break in
the prices around here.
Dwight
Derek
>Ha! Way too many greedy MBAs around for that to happen.
Funny, I see/hear this sort of thing often. Is greed somehow limited
to the highly educated?
Paul P
I wasn't referring to greedy people who happen to have MBAs. I was
referring to MBAs, one of the most despicable segments of humanity,
those who have chosen to make a career out of being greedy.
Paul P
jthread
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job. I'm one of the least greedy people you could meet but I was getting my
MBA to just be employable. I got my BBA and went to get my MBA but ran out
of motivation. A BBA is little more than a glorified high school diploma
anymore. :-( There are a lot of people in business school just for the money
but there are some who just want a decent living. IMHO
Hud
Those two prices you mention will go back up. Prices in other commodities
will also continue to rise. People will continue to grumble and pay. But
they won't revolt. During the Great Depression our economy was much worse
than now. But there was still no revolution. People continued to grumble
and pay. If they couldn't pay, they made it as best as they could or became
destitute. Even then we didn't enter the war (WWII) to revolt against our
poverty. As a matter of fact, our country remained neutral until Japan
attacked Pearl Harbor. After the war destroyed industry and farming in
other countries, we began to experience an upswing in our economy as a
result. Now, as other countries become more industrialized and their
economies thrive...we suffer again. Because other countries are becoming
more modernized, there is a greater demand for gas than ever before. Prices
will most likely continue to rise. So you better go and get that guitar
before you really can't afford it.
Lumpy
> I wasn't referring to greedy people who happen to have MBAs. I was
> referring to MBAs, one of the most despicable segments of humanity,
> those who have chosen to make a career out of being greedy.
If I hire someone to run my business, I want an MBA,
not a social worker.
If I hire an MBA, I want the greediest one I can find.
JOB INTERVIEW:
EMPLOYER:
"I want this business to earn 3 billion this year.
How would you help make that happen?"
CANDIDATE:
"Oh I think that would be greedy. You should
only earn 1 billion this year".
EMPLOYER:
"Next"
I'm thinkin' the correct answer would have been
"I'd like you to earn 6 billion, not just 3"
Lumpy
You were the Tidy Bowl Guy?
Yes. I'm cleaning your bathroom bowl.
www.LumpyVoice.com
jthread
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> Paul P:
>> I wasn't referring to greedy people who happen to have MBAs. I was
>> referring to MBAs, one of the most despicable segments of humanity,
>> those who have chosen to make a career out of being greedy.
>
> If I hire someone to run my business, I want an MBA,
> not a social worker.
>
> If I hire an MBA, I want the greediest one I can find.
>
ran almost everyone in the business section off. Which may have been the
ultimate goal. Greed is good but you got to keep it under control. He would
of sent all of our jobs offshore if it was possible.
Derek
>I wasn't referring to greedy people who happen to have MBAs. I was
>referring to MBAs, one of the most despicable segments of humanity,
>those who have chosen to make a career out of being greedy.
Yikes!
Generously yours,
Derek Dodson MBA, M.Ed.
Don Freeman
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Just the highly educated greedy ones.
jthread
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>
> "Pt" <pea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:96579bfa-4b13-4bdf...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> Strange thing.....
>> Today Shell in my area lowered their gas prices by 20 cents per gal.
>> I got a call from Verizon saying that they are lowering the phone
>> rates by 30 percent.
>> I see fantastic prices on basses and guitars.
>> Maybe the big corporations are getting smart before the revolution
>> starts.
>>
>> Pt
>>
>>
>
>
> Those two prices you mention will go back up. Prices in other commodities
> will also continue to rise. People will continue to grumble and pay. But
> they won't revolt. During the Great Depression our economy was much worse
> than now. But there was still no revolution.
Because they were kept at the bottom of the J curve. Eventually there would
of been a revolt. We had a war to pull us out.
Charmed Snark
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...
> ... I got my BBA and went to get my
> MBA but ran out of motivation. A BBA is little more than a glorified
> high school diploma anymore. :-( ...
Ya, and biz people that do a little VB or VBA in Excel think
that they are now programmers. I.T. developers get no respect
any more. People used to think we went around in lab coats
carrying magnetic tapes, heavy disk packs and decks of
punched cards, while monitoring blinking lights :)
Now everything is dumbed down to a power-on LED and a
disk activity LED. Biz now thinks they can tell us how to
engineer software systems too. Don't get me started..
Snarl.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Pt
My only advantage in knowing what to expect comes from being old.
I started in the work world in the early 60s.
I made $1.94 per hour and went to school at night.
I lived good on those wages.
I bought a new car, had a nice apartment, a Gibson guitar and just
about anything I wanted.
I recall being laid off for a few months.
I would pick up pop bottles, cut grass and do what ever I could to pay
my bills.
It was no problem.
When I returned to work I got a raise and the prices of everything
went up.
Looking at things today.....
I make $50+ per hour and if I get laid off for any amount of time I
lose everything.
There is a big difference between $1.94 per hour and zero and $50 per
hour and zero.
Pt
Charmed Snark
@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
Typo! Didn't you mean:
"Greediestly yours," ??
Snark.
Paul P
> Yikes!
>
> Generously yours,
>
> Derek Dodson MBA, M.Ed.
Geez, Derek, how do you sleep at night ?
I don't think it's possible to live by the Golden Rule
and be a practicing MBA at the same time.
It probably doesn't show but I'm saying all this
light-heartedly :-)
Paul P
Hud
>> "Pt" <pea...@yahoo.com> wrote
Eventually there would
> of been a revolt. We had a war to pull us out.
Revolt was not a certain, foregone conclusion. It was merely a possibility.
We stayed at the bottom of that "J curve" from 1929 to 1941. That's a long
time. People won't revolt until they have lost just about everything and
have nothing left to lose. Even then, most will still suffer and grumble.
Just like people today will grumble about rising gas prices as they continue
to pay them.
ythread
Yes we were at the bottom but we recovered and were even more prosperous.
The J curve results when a country goes into economic bad times then
recovers slightly. Hence the J. The revolt occurs when the economic times
get better but don't fully recover. In other words "Why does everything suck
even though it's supposed to be better?"
Frustration results and revolution takes place because the people are not as
"beaten back" by the economic hard times as they were. Had they stayed at
the bottom the revolution wouldn't occur. That was the way my political
science teacher described it way back in the early 70's. Before the Iranian
Hostage crisis! I had a Iranian Trigonometry teacher that hated all
Americans.
That was my interpretation but don't get the revolution J curve confused
with the balance of trade or medical J curve. I'm sure other people
interpret it differently as it is a complicated subject with many variables.
Charmed Snark
>... Even then, most
> will still suffer and grumble. Just like people today will grumble
> about rising gas prices as they continue to pay them.
But that is the crux of the problem. Nobody
wants to give up their cars, electricity and
running water (not to mention flushing toilets).
If you gave up your car, there'd be no gas problem.
Charmed Snark
@i18g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
> I am not an economist.
> My only advantage in knowing what to expect comes from being old.
> I started in the work world in the early 60s.
> I made $1.94 per hour and went to school at night.
...
> Looking at things today.....
> I make $50+ per hour and if I get laid off for any amount of time I
> lose everything.
> There is a big difference between $1.94 per hour and zero and $50 per
> hour and zero.
>
> Pt
It's because they took the tube testers out of
your corner store, those durn commies!
I used to get a chocolate bar for a nickle and
test some tubes while I was there. Those were the
days!
Lumpy
> If you gave up your car, there'd be no gas problem.
No problem. I'll just borrow someone else's car.
Lumpy
You played on "The Love Boat"?
Yes. White tux, huge sideburns.
Lumpy
> I used to get a chocolate bar for a nickle and
> test some tubes while I was there. Those were the
> days!
I used to go to high school and proudly tell
my classmates "Hey! I played on Lawrence Welk
last night"
Um...They weren't impressed.
Pt
> It's because they took the tube testers out of
> your corner store, those durn commies!
I got my own tube tester.
Pt
Stephen Calder
Everyone has to make a living somehow. They can't all be bad.
--
Stephen
Ballina, Australia
hcbowman
> Everyone has to make a living somehow. They can't all be bad.
These days, I work for a nonprofit educational foundation. We have a
Stanford MBA on staff who's very concerned about our mission and
routinely suggests ways we can benefit more kids with limited
resources.
--Cliff (US)
Pt
My father was stationed in Sydney in WWII.
He told me that they used steam cars powered by coal.
The cars has a small trailer behind them filled with coal.
Aussies ain't stupid....eh?
Pt
Stephen Calder
I was too young to remember (born Sydney 1952) but I can believe it.
--
Stephen
Ballina, Australia
Paul P
> Everyone has to make a living somehow. They can't all be bad.
In our world it's pretty difficult, if not impossible, to live one's
life in a way that does not depend on the exploitation of others. I'm
certainly as guilty as anyone but it seems to me that we should be
striving to eliminate it, not studying and applying better ways of
doing it.
I don't see a revolution happening any time soon. I was completely
astounded when I found out recently that the Bank of America is
a privately owned bank ! And the best thing that could happen for its
owners is a war since the US has to borrow money from it ! And if
anyone rises up they'll just turn off the taps, like they did last
century.
I'm with Charmed Snark, might as well go down laughing...
Paul P
Paul P
> I was completely
> astounded when I found out recently that the Bank of America is
> a privately owned bank !
Oops, make that the Federal Reserve. Goes to show how much I know...
Paul P
RichL
More like a public-private partnership, if you look at it carefully:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve
The Federal Reserve System (also the Federal Reserve; informally The
Fed) is a private bank that serves as the central banking system of the
United States. Created in 1913 by the enactment of the Federal Reserve
Act, it is a quasi-public (government entity with private components)
banking system[1] composed of (1) the presidentially appointed Board of
Governors of the Federal Reserve System in Washington, D.C.; (2) the
Federal Open Market Committee; (3) 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks
located in major cities throughout the nation acting as fiscal agents
for the U.S. Treasury, each with its own nine-member board of directors;
(4) numerous private U.S. member banks, which subscribe to required
amounts of non-transferable stock in their regional Federal Reserve
Banks; and (5) various advisory councils.
Are you breathing a bit more easily now? ;-)
ythread
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I don't drive much at all. I've got a 1998 toy p/u with 47k miles on it. Avg
< 4.7k per year. I don't work but my wife still does and she drives a prius
to work which is about 5 min away. If people would make adjustments to their
life styles we could whip this energy crisis but we know that ain't going to
happen. Too many Lumpies out there. :-)
Lumpy
> ...If people would make adjustments to their
> life styles we could whip this energy
> crisis but we know that ain't going to
> happen. Too many Lumpies out there. :-)
A couple of years ago I put only 1,800 miles
on my van the entire year.
I probably spent a lot of energy complaining
about Dylan's voice, but otherwise I don't
drive a whole lot.
Lumpy
You Played on Lawrence Welk?
Yes but no blue notes. Just blue hairs.
Sean
> ythread wrote:
>> ...If people would make adjustments to their
>> life styles we could whip this energy
>> crisis but we know that ain't going to
>> happen. Too many Lumpies out there. :-)
>
> A couple of years ago I put only 1,800 miles
> on my van the entire year.
>
> I probably spent a lot of energy complaining
> about Dylan's voice, but otherwise I don't
> drive a whole lot.
>
>
> Lumpy
>
Horse farts are contributing to global warming.
Lumpy
> Horse farts are contributing to global warming.
When my mare farts, it sounds like someone trying
to start a Yamaha motorcycle. It's REALLY loud.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
www.LumpyMusic.com
Charmed Snark
> Charmed Snark wrote:
>
>> If you gave up your car, there'd be no gas problem.
>
> No problem. I'll just borrow someone else's car.
>
> Lumpy
Better pick one that has gas in it :)
Charmed Snark
> Sean wrote:
>> Horse farts are contributing to global warming.
>
> When my mare farts, it sounds like someone trying
> to start a Yamaha motorcycle. It's REALLY loud.
>
> Lumpy
That's the problem with 2-stroke horses!
Charmed Snark
> Charmed Snark wrote:
>> I used to get a chocolate bar for a nickle and
>> test some tubes while I was there. Those were the
>> days!
>
> I used to go to high school and proudly tell
> my classmates "Hey! I played on Lawrence Welk
> last night"
>
> Um...They weren't impressed.
>
> Lumpy
Ya, its not like LW had 1000s of young girls
screaming and swooning..
Charmed Snark
1cb3e2...@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
I've got one now also, but in those days
a poo' boy like me couldn' afford one.
Charmed Snark
> Paul P <a...@b.com> wrote:
>> Paul P wrote:
>>
>>> I was completely
>>> astounded when I found out recently that the Bank of America is
>>> a privately owned bank !
>>
>> Oops, make that the Federal Reserve. Goes to show how much I know...
>>
>> Paul P
>
> More like a public-private partnership, if you look at it carefully:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve
...
> Are you breathing a bit more easily now? ;-)
It's alwasy been the same -
"those with the gold make the rules".
Derek
>I used to go to high school and proudly tell
>my classmates "Hey! I played on Lawrence Welk
>last night"
I am afraid to ask what kind of panties you collected at the end of
that night!
Lumpy
> > I used to go to high school and proudly tell
> > my classmates "Hey! I played on Lawrence Welk
> > last night"
Derek:
> I am afraid to ask what kind of panties
> you collected at the end of that night!
The Welk family was the wildest bunch of
partiers I've ever met. They could kick the
assess of any rock band when it comes to
getting wild.
jtees4
From what I remember (don't remember much) there were some pretty hot
girls on that show...maybe dressed a bit conservatively....but hot!
...and probably wild behind the scenes too.
***********
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RichL
> From what I remember (don't remember much) there were some pretty hot
> girls on that show...maybe dressed a bit conservatively....but hot!
> ...and probably wild behind the scenes too.
Four-ways with the Lennon Sisters. Ah, the possibilities!
ARLOWE
There's a Station down near Tallong NSW called Ridaroo and they are
importing Red Kangaroos from out west, saddle breaking them and selling
them to Sydney commuters.
Only the boomers are used for transportation in and out of the city.
The smaller and highly agile flyers are preferred by inner city
couriers due to their ability to manuver through inner city traffic and
their extra storage compartment.
M.Butzin
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> Strange thing.....
> Today Shell in my area lowered their gas prices by 20 cents per gal.
> I got a call from Verizon saying that they are lowering the phone
> rates by 30 percent.
> I see fantastic prices on basses and guitars.
> Maybe the big corporations are getting smart before the revolution
> starts.
>
> Pt
>
>
Yeah, Verizon is also canceling news groups!
MB
For what it's worth, here's the e-mail I received from Verizon:
Dear Verizon Online Customer,
As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.
On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups
using our Newsgroup service.
comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*
More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.
This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service
and Acceptable Use Policy.
There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190
IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a
violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.
We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.
Sincerely,
Verizon Online
RichL
check out pay NNTP services, and I'M SO CONFUSED!!! ;-)
Charmed Snark
> Yup. Got the same e-mail myself. I've still got a few more days to
> check out pay NNTP services, and I'M SO CONFUSED!!! ;-)
That bites. Our 2 ISPs for work also dropped newsgroups
altogether. This forced me to look for new NNTP services
for lunch time use.
Paul P
> That bites. Our 2 ISPs for work also dropped newsgroups
> altogether. This forced me to look for new NNTP services
> for lunch time use.
While my ISP provides newsgroups and alt.guitar.beginner
I only receive about 1 post in 10-20 posts for some
reason. So I have to cut and paste out of google groups
to be part of a discussion.
I wonder if a dedicated news server would provide any
better coverage. Is it a case that posts from within
google groups are not relayed to the outside world ?
Paul P
Lumpy
> ... Is it a case that posts from within
> google groups are not relayed to the outside world ?
"Google groups" is just a term that google
uses. It's still a usenet newsgroup. Google
simply builds it's own web based, and poorly
implemented, interface.
www.individual.net
From the university of Berlin.
Costs $13 per year. Very reliable,
well worth the dollar a month or so
fee that they charge.
Lumpy
You were the Tidy Bowl Guy?
Yes. I'm cleaning your bathroom bowl.
www.LumpyVoice.com
RichL
> RichL expounded in news:63X6k.31286$G33.21073@trnddc03:
>
>> Yup. Got the same e-mail myself. I've still got a few more days to
>> check out pay NNTP services, and I'M SO CONFUSED!!! ;-)
>
> That bites. Our 2 ISPs for work also dropped newsgroups
> altogether. This forced me to look for new NNTP services
> for lunch time use.
I signed up for Supernews; you can get a pretty cheap deal that works if
you're not participating in binary groups. The only thing I've noticed
is that headers refresh much more slowly than they did when I used
Verizon.
M.Butzin
news:6ca962F...@mid.individual.net...
My son has used "Giga news" for the last year since he moved out and DL's
tons of stuff and never has had a problem.
MB
Disclaimer I don't work for Gig news nor does my son.
Lumpy
> My son has used "Giga news" for the
> last year since he moved out and
> DL's tons of stuff and never has had a problem.
I would always recommend a dedicated news server
like Giganews or individual.net or similar,
over google groups.
Charmed Snark
I'm using a nearly free service, but it ain't that great. But to be fair,
you only sign up with an initial small fee and it is free after that: so
I can't complain about the service. There's always google's groups if I
get desperate when the free service goes haywire.
Charmed Snark
> While my ISP provides newsgroups and alt.guitar.beginner
> I only receive about 1 post in 10-20 posts for some
> reason. So I have to cut and paste out of google groups
> to be part of a discussion.
That's because of flaky service at their end. If they
run out of file space, get disconnections etc. then
articles get whacked/dropped. In a past life, I used
to run a news server, and recall some of the challenges.
> I wonder if a dedicated news server would provide any
> better coverage.
Definitely. If their primary business model is around
usenet, you can be sure that it isn't being maintained
because "they have to". If their bread and butter is
based upon usenet service, they'll at least be trying
harder (exception being some of the free/semi-free
services).
> Is it a case that posts from within
> google groups are not relayed to the outside world ?
As Lumpy has already pointed out, they are just another
"alternative" to the news server list of choices. They
will use the same protocols behind the scenes that
everyone else does to post and receive articles.
Ravi
> Strange thing.....
> Today Shell in my area lowered their gas prices by 20 cents per gal.
> I got a call from Verizon saying that they are lowering the phone
> rates by 30 percent.
> I see fantastic prices on basses and guitars.
> Maybe the big corporations are getting smart before the revolution
> starts.
>
That is all wishful thinking.
Gas prices are painfully high while the oil corporations are making
record profits.
There is no good news in any of this.