Jimix Hendrix - Hey Joe + Harmonica
Stri
it.
I normally just change the guitar key by fretting it. But I thought
Hey Joe was in C or E but it isn't. Some help here would be great,
Cheers
Scotti
RichL
The chords to Hendrix's version are C G D A E. We could argue all day
about what key it's in.
I think though that if you used a harmonica that's in the key of G you'd
be matching pretty much all the important notes in the song. Mainly
they're from Em pentatonic, with a C# note thrown in here or there.
Stri
Lumpy
> ... I thought
> Hey Joe was in C or E but it isn't...
It's in whatever key you play it in.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Years
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Stri
Hello Lumpy, thanks for replying. If you're referring to tranposing.
I'm not familiar with that yet.
Lumpy
> ... If you're referring to tranposing.
> I'm not familiar with that yet.
Move that capo till it matches your harp.
Or play it (on guitar) however you know how,
and get the appropriate key harp,
Are you playing straight or cross harp
with HJ?
Rufus
...if a G harp doesn't work, try a D.
--
- Rufus
Stri
Hi Lumpy, yeah I've tried that.
I've either missed the capo fret (which I doubt) or missing something
else, don't know what.
Normally I figure out the key (which for me has often been the
starting note) and then pick the harp. If required capo the neck to
raise it to the key of the guitar o that of the harp.
I've tried, but when I try C harp (without capo'ing) it sounds wrong.
I think I'll give G a go as RichL said tomorrow when there aren't
people to wake up.
Lumpy
> > Move that capo till it matches your harp.
stri:
> Hi Lumpy, yeah I've tried that.
>
> I've either missed the capo fret
> (which I doubt) or missing something
> else, don't know what.
Unless you skip some frets while moving the
capo, you're going to pass through every
key possible in 12 frets.
Try open.
If no success, try first.
If no success, try 2nd.
If no success, try 3rd etc.
If none of them seem to fit, perhaps HJ
can't be played on a blues harp. That
song isn't exactly 12 bar blues. Nor
is it in a conventional key. It's got
a bunch of chords that don't naturally
fit together in any key.
Rufus
From what harp players have told me, you select the harp one full step
down from the key of the song - so if it's in C, you'd want an A#/Bb harp.
...but I'd call it E, and try a D harp and see what you get. I play the
lead for Hey Joe in E.
--
- Rufus
RichL
Yeah, that'll have the C#.
RichL
Although there's an E chord in the song, if you listen to the lead it's
mainly Em pent. First four notes in the solo are E (bent up from D), B,
A, G. But the D harp will work for this, as will a G.
Greg Cisko
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> Although there's an E chord in the song, if you listen to the lead it's
> mainly Em pent. First four notes in the solo are E (bent up from D), B,
> A, G. But the D harp will work for this, as will a G.
Em pent is correct. Not sure about that harp and very interested in that.
If you know what harp to use for the wizard, it would be most appreciated.
--
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http://bluechainlightning.net
Rufus
...that's what I was thinking.
--
- Rufus
Inyo
> Stri <geordie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi, I'm trying to play Hey Joe and trying to get harmonica in with
> > it.
>
> > I normally just change the guitar key by fretting it. But I thought
> > Hey Joe was in C or E but it isn't. Some help here would be great,
>
> > Cheers
>
> > Scotti
>
> The chords to Hendrix's version are C G D A E. �We could argue all day
> about what key it's in.
Yes, I agree. Your chord sequence to Hey Joe is correct, at least the
way I recollect it.
But...I always liked to start the Hendrix arrangement of Hey Joe (my
favorite version of Hey Joe is by The Leaves, Billboard Top 40, 1966)
with a D, which then transposes into Bflat to F to C to G to D. That
way you can work in the classic Hendrix intro to Hey Joe with fluid
ease and hit those great licks out of D between verses, as well--a
lick most folks here have probably heard: rapid fire notes--A to C to
D to F to D to F to D (sounds a lot like the well-known lick on
Traffic's "Mr. Fantasy").
My SoundClick Page of original solo, acoustic, instrumental 6 and 12-
string guitar compositions
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=817226&content=music
Ravi
Why wouldn't the harmonica be in the same key as the song?
For example, "Heart of Gold" is in the key of G
and Neil Young is playing a G harmonica, right?
RichL
"Heart of Gold" isn't blues-based.
The most common blues chord progression involves I, IV, and V, but if
you listen to the *notes* being played you'll find a lot of notes that
aren't in the root key. The most common deviations are the flatted
third and seventh. Lowering the key of the harmonica by one full step
will give you those two notes, with the remainder of the notes belonging
to the root key.
In contrast, "Heart of Gold" as well as a number of early Beatles tunes
that use harmonica pretty much stick with the major scale (with natural
third and seventh) and so using a harmonica in the same key as the song
is appropriate.
Rufus
I'm not a harp player, so I wouldn't know - it probably has something to
do with the limitations on the tonal range of the harp from low to high,
but all the harp players I've ever played with back to my college days
have always told me they select a harp one step down from the key of the
song. At least for the sort of blues-based rock like Hey Joe and such
that I've ever played with them.
For example - if Heart of Gold is in G, I would think Niel would be
blowing an F harp. I dunno what the range across the scale of a harp
is, but I'd think in this case that would allow the player to play from
F through G to A, at least...but that's just my guess...
--
- Rufus
Rufus
...thanks for the education, Rich. I wouldn't have figured that out.
--
- Rufus
RichL
> RichL wrote:
>> "Heart of Gold" isn't blues-based.
>> The most common blues chord progression involves I, IV, and V, but if
>> you listen to the *notes* being played you'll find a lot of notes
>> that aren't in the root key. The most common deviations are the
>> flatted third and seventh. Lowering the key of the harmonica by one
>> full step will give you those two notes, with the remainder of the
>> notes belonging to the root key.
>>
>> In contrast, "Heart of Gold" as well as a number of early Beatles
>> tunes that use harmonica pretty much stick with the major scale
>> (with natural third and seventh) and so using a harmonica in the
>> same key as the song is appropriate.
>>
>>
>
> ...thanks for the education, Rich. I wouldn't have figured that out.
No prob.
Around the time the Beatles stuff first hit the US shores (which was
shortly after I first started playing guitar), I went and bought a
handful of cheap harmonicas in different keys. I had to, because John
Lennon played them ;-) So I kinds figured out what was up with that
stuff. Then the next year, the Yardbirds came out with "I'm A Man" and
I quickly realized that although the song is in G, my G harmonica didn't
work with it! That's when the light bulb went on.
I don't think I've played a harmonica since then. And somehow those old
cheapo harmonicas got lost in the transition to adulthood.
Hmmm.....talking about this is giving me the urge. Maybe I'll pick up a
couple for old times' sake!
Nil
alt.guitar.beginner:
> I don't think I've played a harmonica since then. And somehow
> those old cheapo harmonicas got lost in the transition to
> adulthood.
>
> Hmmm.....talking about this is giving me the urge. Maybe I'll
> pick up a couple for old times' sake!
I used to always keep one in my car. It was a better use my 40-mile
commute than listening to the radio.
I also take a harmonica when I go camping, and I play it while hiking.
Helps keep the bears away.
Lumpy
> I also take a harmonica when I go camping,
> and I play it while hiking.
> Helps keep the bears away.
If you come across bear droppings in the
wilderness, you can tell what kind of
bear it is by examining the contents.
Black bears have berries and grass
in their droppings.
Grizzly bears have harmonicas in theirs.
Rufus
I tried to learn to play the harp once...I failed at it even worse than
I did (do...) at playing slide. Just sounded like somebody force-mating
feral cats...
--
- Rufus
RichL
> I tried to learn to play the harp once...I failed at it even worse
> than I did (do...) at playing slide. Just sounded like somebody
> force-mating feral cats...
I never stuck with it long enough to get good. "Feral cats" is a good
description ;-) But now...kids are grown...time on my hands...it's
worth another shot ;-)
Curlyque
Be prepared for sticker shock when you go to buy.
Curly
Charmed Snark
@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
THere's a reason why there's only a harp
at the Pearly Gates..
'tish boom!
Snark.
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RPM1
>
> Why wouldn't the harmonica be in the same key as the song?
The normal diatonic harmonica is tuned so that you would be playing a
major scale in the key that is stamped on the harmonica. This is called
"straight harp".
For example, a harmonica stamped 'C' will play the C major scale.
If you want to play blues on a harmonica most people play "cross harp"
which is playing a mixolydian scale.
For example, a harmonica stamped 'C' will play the G mixolydian scale.
For rock many harp players will use the Dorian scale so a 'C' stamped
harp will play a D dorian scale. This is also known as "slant harp"
Some harp players will also refer to playing in "1st position" or "2nd
position", ...
For a 'C' harmonica:
Position Music Key
1st C
2nd G
3rd D
4th A
5th E
6th B
Think cycle/circle of 5ths. 1st position is straight harp which is used
for "campfire" type songs. 2nd position is cross harp which is used for
blues, (it's the most common way to play harp). 3rd position is for
rock and blues.
It all makes a lot of sense once you start thinking of harmonica as a
real instrument and not a toy.
Patrick
RPM1
> thanks for the enlightenment.
>
> The first time I jammed with a harp player,
> we were using a backing track.
> Both of us went for the lead
> Did nothing but battle back and forth , trying to play a lead with the
> guy was really tough.
> When I switched to rhythm, the harp player really started to shine.
> But it was his downfall, the harp takes a lot of wind, and he was
> sweating profusely, while the guitar was effortless.
>
> As I recall he had a G harp, and when I played in G (I IV V) eit was
> not working out at all
> eventually I just went rhythm and let him work out the notes.
If the harp player had a G harp his best key for blues and rock is going
to be the key of D.
Another tip about harp playing. When a harp player is playing a 'G'
harp in the key of 'G', (straight harp), it means that most his notes
will be blow notes. When playing blow notes you have less opportunity
to play good bend notes. So to be able to really wail and bend some
notes it's better to play the 'G' harp in the key of 'D', (cross harp).
The key of 'A' would be my second choice, (slant harp).
Best keys for blues harp are D, E, F, G, A for which you would most
likely use harps in the keys of G, A, Bb, C, D respectively.
Patrick
Greg Cisko
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> Best keys for blues harp are D, E, F, G, A for which you would most likely
> use harps in the keys of G, A, Bb, C, D respectively.
OK so you seem like the perfect resource. Which harp should we use for "the
wizard"? Thanks in advance.
Rufus
> "RPM1" <rpm9de...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:g1c5dg$622$1...@aioe.org...
>> Best keys for blues harp are D, E, F, G, A for which you would most likely
>> use harps in the keys of G, A, Bb, C, D respectively.
>
> OK so you seem like the perfect resource. Which harp should we use for "the
> wizard"? Thanks in advance.
>
>
Every harp player I've ever played with (blues/rock) says they select
one that is one step down from the key of the song - a D harp for a song
in E, for example.
--
- Rufus
Nil
> Every harp player I've ever played with (blues/rock) says they
> select one that is one step down from the key of the song - a D
> harp for a song in E, for example.
Are you sure about that? I've never heard that. For blues, it's always
a harp keyed a 4th higher than the key you're playing in, so that a
draw is the tonic of the key in which you're currently playing. So, for
an E blues, you'd use an A harp. This is what's commonly called "cross-
harp".
You could probably make some agreeable noises with a D harp - you'd
have a choice on notes something like an E Dorian. But I don't think
that that's nearly as common as the cross-harp approach.
Here's a chart showing some harp positions:
http://www.bigcitystrings.com/cross.htm
According to it, the position you describe is called "third position"
or "slant-harp."
Here's another description:
Greg Cisko
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> Thanks for following up on this
> I am going to be hooking up with this harp player, again real soon.
> With the information you all posted,
> We will be able to do something worth while, this next session.
If you think of it, please ask him which harp he would use for
"the wizard" :-)
Sean
> "RPM1" <rpm9de...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:g1c5dg$622$1...@aioe.org...
>> Best keys for blues harp are D, E, F, G, A for which you would most likely
>> use harps in the keys of G, A, Bb, C, D respectively.
>
> OK so you seem like the perfect resource. Which harp should we use for "the
> wizard"? Thanks in advance.
>
>
What key do you play that song in? Is it a blues? Etc. etc.
Lumpy
> > > Best keys for blues harp are D, E, F, G, A for which you would
> > > most likely use harps in the keys of G, A, Bb, C, D respectively.
I've seen a couple of posts about harp keys
that I think missed by an interval.
For cross harp you would use a harp a 5th up
(not a 4th up) from the "actual" key.
ie for blues in D, you would use an A harp.
Blues in C, use a G harp. etc
I might not just be interpreting the posts
correctly. The above reads to me as though
to suggest that for blues in D, use a G harp,
which would be "backwards".
Lumpy
You were the Ken-L-Ration St Bernard?
Yes. My dog's bigger.
www.LumpyVoice.com
Rufus
I'm not a harp player, but that's what they've told me - one step down.
I suppose you can do other things, I've just never run across anything
else. Cross sounds familiar...but again, I've only played with a few
harp blowers.
--
- Rufus
Rufus
The guys I've played with would use a C harp for a blues in D, or
ideally an A# for C, but I'd wager they grabbed an A. But that's just
them...there's all sort of ways to play it.
--
- Rufus
Nil
I'm not *much* of a harp player and even less so lately. But all I know
is First-Position (tonic chord is blow and dominant chord is draw, so
you'd play a G harp in a G-keyed song) and Cross-Harp/Second Position
(where you get the tonic chord by drawing and the subdominant chord by
blowing, so you'd play a C harp in a G-keyed song.)
Using Cross-Harp, I can make noises that resemble the bluesy harmonica
sounds I'm used to hearing. You're friend seems to like to play Slant-
Harp/Third Position, which would give you a different effect, a bit
less conventional blues-sounding.
You can get most of the notes in the notes in the diatonic scale by
bending them. Some notes on instrument are easier to bend on the draw,
some are easier on the blow. One thing that make Cross-Harp sound more
bluesy is that the blue notes are more accessible and easier to bend.
For example, in Cross-Harp, a low tonic note is found on Draw-2. It's
easy to bend it down a whole step to the b7. Another is Draw-4 - it's
the third, and you can easily bend it down to a b3.
One complication I can see with Split-Harp is that you don't have
chords available, so you'd have to mostly stick to single notes. For
example, in a G blues, playing an F harp, you have the chords F and Bb,
neither of which I'd usually be inclined to sit on very prominently,
depending on the tune.
Stephen Calder
> Someone wrote:
>>>> Best keys for blues harp are D, E, F, G, A for which you would
>>>> most likely use harps in the keys of G, A, Bb, C, D respectively.
>
> I've seen a couple of posts about harp keys
> that I think missed by an interval.
>
> For cross harp you would use a harp a 5th up
> (not a 4th up) from the "actual" key.
That doesn't make sense, now, does it? What good is an F# note in the
key of C?
>
> ie for blues in D, you would use an A harp.
> Blues in C, use a G harp. etc
>
> I might not just be interpreting the posts
> correctly. The above reads to me as though
> to suggest that for blues in D, use a G harp,
> which would be "backwards".
>
>
The way I remember it is that to play in C you want a harp that will
allow you to create a C7 chord. That means you need a harp that has a Bb
note, or an F harp.
Similarly, to play in G, and get a G7, you need a harp that has an F
note (not F#) so get a C harp.
"Best keys for blues harp are D, E, F, G, A for which you would
most likely use harps in the keys of G, A, Bb, C, D respectively."
That's right.
--
Stephen
Ballina, Australia
Nil
alt.guitar.beginner:
> One complication I can see with Split-Harp is that you don't have
> chords available, so you'd have to mostly stick to single notes.
> For example, in a G blues, playing an F harp, you have the chords
> F and Bb, neither of which I'd usually be inclined to sit on very
> prominently, depending on the tune.
Correction: with an F harmonica, you get the chords F (on the blow) and
C (on the draw).
Lumpy
> For cross harp you would use a harp a 5th up
> (not a 4th up) from the "actual" key.
I think I did read the original posts incorrectly.
Or I rewrote it incorrectly.
Either way, I think what I wrote above is wrong.
C harps play blues in G (the mixolydian).
So correct my statement above to read -
"For cross harp, use a harp a 4th up".
My ups and my downs are getting me confused.
Lumpy
You Played on Lawrence Welk?
Yes but no blue notes. Just blue hairs.
Lumpy
> Correction: with an F harmonica,
> you get the chords F (on the blow)
> and C (on the draw).
THAT's what I was trying to say originally.
Yours is a clearer explaination. Thanks.
F harps play C blues.
Lumpy
How come you didn't star on Star Trek?
Because Clint Howard beat me for the part of Balok.
RPM1
That's 3rd position or "slant harp". It's used for blues and rock. The
majority of blues harp uses 2nd position, "cross harp". In cross you
would use an 'A' harp to play a song in 'E'. Cross harp is even more
bluesy than slant harp.
Being a programmer I have written a little program will give you the
diatonic harmonica layout in notes and intervals. All you do is pick
the key of the music and the key of the harmonica and it shows you the
layouts with bends. I don't have a web site to post it on, but if
somebody wants it, I can email it to you. Or even better still if
somebody has a website where they can make it available, I'll send you a
copy so you can put it on your website.
Patrick
Rufus
...I knew I was warped...bent, maybe...but slanted?...thanks.
--
- Rufus
Sean
> I previously wrote:
>> For cross harp you would use a harp a 5th up
>> (not a 4th up) from the "actual" key.
>
> I think I did read the original posts incorrectly.
> Or I rewrote it incorrectly.
>
> Either way, I think what I wrote above is wrong.
>
> C harps play blues in G (the mixolydian).
> So correct my statement above to read -
> "For cross harp, use a harp a 4th up".
>
> My ups and my downs are getting me confused.
And for those who aren't hip to this fourth and fifth stuff, as I wasn't
back in the day, use the harp that has the same letter as the second
chord in your 12 bar blues. So when someone calls out, "Blues in E," you
reach for an A harp. Etc.
Lumpy
> And for those who aren't hip to this fourth and fifth stuff, as I
> wasn't back in the day, use the harp that has the same letter as the
> second chord in your 12 bar blues. So when someone calls out, "Blues
> in E," you reach for an A harp. Etc.
That's a handy trick. Thanks.
Lumpy
Were you the voice of Casper?
No. Popeye, Snagglepuss and Wells Fargo Bank.
www.LumpyVoice.net
RichL
> I previously wrote:
>> For cross harp you would use a harp a 5th up
>> (not a 4th up) from the "actual" key.
>
> I think I did read the original posts incorrectly.
> Or I rewrote it incorrectly.
>
> Either way, I think what I wrote above is wrong.
>
> C harps play blues in G (the mixolydian).
> So correct my statement above to read -
> "For cross harp, use a harp a 4th up".
>
> My ups and my downs are getting me confused.
Glad you were wrong. I just ordered five harmonicas with the keys
selected in accordance with needing them to be a fourth up from the
"actual" key. Whew!
Lumpy
> Glad you were wrong. I just ordered five harmonicas with the keys
> selected in accordance with needing them to be a fourth up from the
> "actual" key. Whew!
Just play Bob Dylan tunes and tuning doesn't matter.
Sorry for my confusion.
RichL
> RichL wrote:
>
>> Glad you were wrong. I just ordered five harmonicas with the keys
>> selected in accordance with needing them to be a fourth up from the
>> "actual" key. Whew!
>
> Just play Bob Dylan tunes and tuning doesn't matter.
>
> Sorry for my confusion.
>
>
> Lumpy
It's OK. I actually got them in the mail a couple of days ago. I was
pretty sure I had it right, since I could play the flatted 7th in a
G-keyed song using the C harmonica and both the flatted 7th and 3rd in
the same key with the F harmonica. Practicing pent scales now....one of
these days, I'll play a song with it!!
Greg Cisko
"Sean" <se...@fake.con> wrote in message news:ORz_j.4175$Yp.2955@edtnps92...
OK so no one here plays "the wizard" thanks anyway...
It is in Amin...
Lumpy
> OK so no one here plays "the wizard" thanks anyway...
I'm not familiar with the title.
But then again I have a high geezer index.
Who does the song?
Nil
alt.guitar.beginner:
> OK so no one here plays "the wizard" thanks anyway...
>
> It is in Amin...
I never heard of it. Is it by Madonna & Justin, Lil' Wayne, Usher
Featuring Young Jeezy, Soulja Boy, or Flo Rida Featuring T-Pain?
Laissez-faire
One step down gives you Dorian with a minor 3rd and 7th.
Rufus
It's by Black Sabbath - second song, first album...so...
...now that ya'll have made me pull out my copy and listen/noodle it,
the guitar power chord changes are A to C, and the harp plays an octave
up A-G-A behind the guitar riff. The harp is resting on the
A-A#-A...and the...er...rest...select harp accordingly.
--
- Rufus
G. Verhoef
> Hi, I'm trying to play Hey Joe and trying to get harmonica in with
> it.
>
> I normally just change the guitar key by fretting it. But I thought
> Hey Joe was in C or E but it isn't. Some help here would be great,
>
> Cheers
>
> Scotti
There are some interesting lessons in harp playing on youtube.
You might wanna check out a guy called KudzuRunner. Look here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/KudzuRunner
Gerard
Lumpy
> ...The song is in C, so a cross harmonica
> stamped F (perfect 4th, inverted 5th,
> 5 half steps UP from the C), would be
> a good choice, for the Cross type of harmonica...
First off, convince me that the version you
are doing is in the key of C.
HJ is filled with rule breaks.
What chords are you using in your version?
RPM1
> On Tue, 27 May 2008 03:59:16 GMT, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I don't want to continue beating a dead horse, but,
> I will be dealing with this in a day or two.
> and want to be sure, that we have a productive practice session.
>
> Cross Harp
> ------------
> The song is in C, so a cross harmonica stamped F (perfect 4th,
> inverted 5th, 5 half steps UP from the C), would be a good choice, for
> the Cross type of harmonica.
>
> harmonica, stamped with a C, then the guitarist could play in the key
> of G. G being the mixolydian, or perfect 5th, or 7 half steps up from
> the C.
> This would allow the harpist, to blow, draw, and bend notes, on his
> diatonic harp, without being overly concerned about playing notes out
> of key .
>
> Slant Harp
> ----------
> Select a slant harp that is one note lower tnan the song's key.
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> Some questions I am still fuzzy about are :
>
> This is generally true, for Blues, Rock, and pentatonic major scales?
> and the appropriate pentatonic minor scale?
>
> Extrapolating the concept of perfect 4ths and 5ths to other
> instruments ,
> Would it also be possible for two guitars, one playing a C , and the
> other playing in G, to easily work together?
> Or a guitar and a vocalist, would this be a good way to add a taste of
> variety to a song, without sounding horribly off key?
> Or does this work well only because of the diatonic nature of the
> harp?
>
> The harpist has played alone mostly , and is fairly good with blues,
> he has a good ear, but he is clueless on theory of scales and such.
> and won't have any idea, about what I am doing.
> I can keep changing keys, and he never will get a grip on the song.
> <yuk yuk>
>
Sounds like you get it now.
One more thing though, if you play blues in 'C' and expect some great
blues harp from your buddy on his 'F' harp, you may be slightly
disappointed with his range. An F harp is getting pretty high up there
in range. If you want to keep it easy for the harp player stay in the
music keys of D, E, F, G, A. Since guitarists don't usually dig 'F' and
'D' as much, (unless they are tuned open D), you find that most guitar +
harmonica blues songs are in E, G, or A, (which is why I always get an
'A', a 'C', and a 'D' harmonica when I try out a different brand of
harmonica.
Good types of harps that are available in music stores:
Hohner Special 20
Lee Oskars
You can also get a set of 6 Suzuki Bluesmasters online for about $105
which is probably the best deal I've found.
All of these are good enough quality for a jam or a gig.
The comment by someone else about watching Adam Gussows videos on
YouTube is exactly right. There are more than 100 free instructional
videos on YouTube by Adam Gussow and they're all good. For books, get
Jon Gindick's "Rock and Blues Harmonica".
A great CD to hear and play along with some good blues harp is "Blues,
Blues, Blues" by Jimmy Rodgers and his All Stars (featuring Jeff Healy,
Steven Stills, Eric Clapton, Taj Mahal, Lowell Fulson, Robert Plant,
Jimmy Page, Keith Richards, and Mick Jagger).
Harp on!
Patrick
Greg Cisko
news:tr8n34plp1mubo0k2...@4ax.com...
> Black Sabbath has a song called "The Wizard" with a very hot harmonica
> playing the lead riffs, in a sorta duet, with the Iomi's guitar
> slamming chords.
>
> There is a musical toy software thing "wizard"
>
> What ?
> Why so cryptic about what "the wizard" is??
I am sort of surprised as well. Obviously I am talking about the
black sabbath song "the wizard" with the very hot harmonica
playing the lead riffs. I assumed everyone knew what it was.
Those that don't... whoa.
Stephen Calder
> "Pholtron" <Phol...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:tr8n34plp1mubo0k2...@4ax.com...
>> Black Sabbath has a song called "The Wizard" with a very hot harmonica
>> playing the lead riffs, in a sorta duet, with the Iomi's guitar
>> slamming chords.
>>
>> There is a musical toy software thing "wizard"
>>
>> What ?
>> Why so cryptic about what "the wizard" is??
>
> I am sort of surprised as well. Obviously I am talking about the
> black sabbath song "the wizard" with the very hot harmonica
> playing the lead riffs. I assumed everyone knew what it was.
> Those that don't... whoa.
>
It's very easy to assume "This is great music that I love, so everyone
must have heard it."
No. Pick any band and someone will have missed it.
One of my favorites from the 70s is Fairport Convention. From the 60s,
the Incredible String Band.
See what I mean?
--
Stephen
Ballina, Australia
RPM1
> I am sort of surprised as well. Obviously I am talking about the
> black sabbath song "the wizard" with the very hot harmonica
> playing the lead riffs. I assumed everyone knew what it was.
> Those that don't... whoa.
>
Okay I went to check out "the wizard" on YouTube. Uh, that doesn't
qualify as "hot" harp in my opinion. In fact, it probably wouldn't take
long to figure that one out. Sounds like he's playing some octaves, (by
tongue blocking), but not much more advanced than that.
If you want something a little more advanced try out these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBeuco0PgJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFRMBWgyH-M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axoSzh0I2Hs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftj8lOjp4s
Have fun,
Patrick
RichL
> One more thing though, if you play blues in 'C' and expect some great
> blues harp from your buddy on his 'F' harp, you may be slightly
> disappointed with his range. An F harp is getting pretty high up
> there in range. If you want to keep it easy for the harp player stay
> in the music keys of D, E, F, G, A. Since guitarists don't usually
> dig 'F' and 'D' as much, (unless they are tuned open D), you find
> that most guitar + harmonica blues songs are in E, G, or A, (which is
> why I always get an 'A', a 'C', and a 'D' harmonica when I try out a
> different brand of harmonica.
>
> Good types of harps that are available in music stores:
>
> Hohner Special 20
> Lee Oskars
>
> You can also get a set of 6 Suzuki Bluesmasters online for about $105
> which is probably the best deal I've found.
I wound up getting Hohner Blues harps in Bb, F, C, G, D. Sounds like I
might want to add an A too. Plus I gotta learn to play 'em. I fooled
around with them a while ago (hmmm, 44 years?) but I didn't stick with
it long enough to get good.
RichL
> "Pholtron" <Phol...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:tr8n34plp1mubo0k2...@4ax.com...
>> Black Sabbath has a song called "The Wizard" with a very hot
>> harmonica playing the lead riffs, in a sorta duet, with the Iomi's
>> guitar slamming chords.
>>
>> There is a musical toy software thing "wizard"
>>
>> What ?
>> Why so cryptic about what "the wizard" is??
>
> I am sort of surprised as well. Obviously I am talking about the
> black sabbath song "the wizard" with the very hot harmonica
> playing the lead riffs. I assumed everyone knew what it was.
> Those that don't... whoa.
Ummm....."follow the yellow brick road"?
Greg Cisko
> I do play Hey Joe, similar to how most people do.
> except embellished with my personal style.
> Since you as, what chords i using on Hey Joe.
Sounds good. Would like to hear it :-)
> Where most people would play C G D A E chords.
> Instead I Play C G D
> then using a 3 note, open A chord form
> C (fret 5)
> dead note
> B (fret 4)
> dead note
> A#(fret 3)
> A (fret 2) let it ring
>
> then using the E barre chord form
> G (fret 3)
> dead note
> F# (fret 2)
> dead note
> F (fret 1)
> E (nut) let it ring
>
> The dead notes are used to maintain the rhythmic beat.
You got a video to document that???
> At other times I play it in a style similar to most
> C Gm barre at 3rd fret
> D Am barre at 5th fret,
> then
> "A" note (4th string, fret 7),
> hammer down the B (4th string, fret 9)
> strum a chord E (barre at fret 7).
>
> I don't know that I can name one specific key signature, for that
> song.
> Since you mention it , What key would you label the song as??
The lead for Hey Joe is in E min.
Greg Cisko
news:483c...@news.mel.dft.com.au...>
> It's very easy to assume "This is great music that I love, so everyone
> must have heard it."
Sort of close to that, yes.
> No. Pick any band and someone will have missed it.
Apparently.
> One of my favorites from the 70s is Fairport Convention. From the 60s, the
> Incredible String Band.
>
> See what I mean?
Yup... Don't care about either of those, so if someone asked about it
I would not have replied :-) But since you like to chit-chat about all this
stuff, here we are.
Lumpy
> I do play Hey Joe, similar to how most people do.
> except embellished with my personal style.
> Since you as, what chords i using on Hey Joe.
>
> Instead I Play C G D
> then using a 3 note, open A chord form
> C (fret 5)
> dead note
> B (fret 4)
> dead note
> A#(fret 3)
> A (fret 2) let it ring
>
> then using the E barre chord form
> G (fret 3)
> dead note
> F# (fret 2)
> dead note
> F (fret 1)
> E (nut) let it ring
>
> The dead notes are used to maintain the rhythmic beat.
I'm not able to "hear" that at all.
> At other times I play it in a style similar to most
> C Gm barre at 3rd fret
> D Am barre at 5th fret,
> then
> "A" note (4th string, fret 7),
> hammer down the B (4th string, fret 9)
> strum a chord E (barre at fret 7).
I can't imagine that as "similar to most"
with minor chords.
What is "C Gm barre at 3rd fret"?
Two separate chords?
It would help if you took the descriptions
of which chord shapes OUT of the description.
Just list what chord is happening. If it's
an E chord, just list it as an E and skip
the (barre at fret 7) stuff.
Can you place your chords in text in
the song's lyrics so I can see where
each chord falls in the song?
Sean
> RichL wrote:
>
>> Glad you were wrong. I just ordered five harmonicas with the keys
>> selected in accordance with needing them to be a fourth up from the
>> "actual" key. Whew!
>
> Just play Bob Dylan tunes and tuning doesn't matter.
>
> Sorry for my confusion.
I figured out a way to develop Bob Dylan harmonica chops. I duct taped a
harmonica to my mouth and rode a bicycle 20 km.
Sean
> "Pholtron" <Phol...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:tr8n34plp1mubo0k2...@4ax.com...
>> Black Sabbath has a song called "The Wizard" with a very hot harmonica
>> playing the lead riffs, in a sorta duet, with the Iomi's guitar
>> slamming chords.
>>
>> There is a musical toy software thing "wizard"
>>
>> What ?
>> Why so cryptic about what "the wizard" is??
>
> I am sort of surprised as well. Obviously I am talking about the
> black sabbath song "the wizard" with the very hot harmonica
> playing the lead riffs. I assumed everyone knew what it was.
> Those that don't... whoa.
>
Why whoa? Some might not find Black Sabbath the slightest bit interesting.
Do you know Johnny A? No? Whoa.
Sean
> With no beginners, this group will be a few old farts, flaming each
> other.
Hey. I'm an old fart and I've never flamed anyone, you nazi.
RPM1
> I wound up getting Hohner Blues harps in Bb, F, C, G, D. Sounds like I
> might want to add an A too. Plus I gotta learn to play 'em. I fooled
> around with them a while ago (hmmm, 44 years?) but I didn't stick with
> it long enough to get good.
>
Like any musical instrument you need to practice. One advantage of
harmonica is that you can take it with you everywhere and get in a lot
of practice. I really like playing guitar. I just couldn't find the
time to practice. Playing harmonica it's easy to find time to practice:
every red light, traffic jams, lunch time, while waiting at my kid's
soccer practice...
I think I've talked enough about harmonica on this guitar news group. I
better stick to guitar talk before somebody gets annoyed. That's
actually a good tip for playing harmonica; even really good harmonica is
best in moderation.
Thanks for the discussion,
Patrick
Greg Cisko
> I think that Black Sabbath is considered Old Skool
> I happen to enjoy Black Sabbath immensly,
> almost to the point of an obsession .
> So naturally I assume, very few other guitarist are familiar with
> their music, but you proved me wrong.
That is what I assumed :-)
> A "beginner", probably would not have a clue
>
> Uriah Heap also has a song "The Wizard"
> not even in the same league with B. S.
However there is no harp so obviously not the song I was
originally asking about. A band I was in used to do "Stealin"
but heap...
> I checked out your web site
> nicely done and the content "Scales"
> Major scales and pentatonic scales is the meat and potatoes of
> improvs and learning how to play leads.
Thanks!
> "I assumed everyone knew what it was.
> Those that don't... whoa."
>
> I take your remark as you intended , a positive way to teach about
> music.
There you go! Thanks again...
Greg Cisko
>> I am sort of surprised as well. Obviously I am talking about the
>> black sabbath song "the wizard" with the very hot harmonica
>> playing the lead riffs. I assumed everyone knew what it was.
>> Those that don't... whoa.
>
> Why whoa? Some might not find Black Sabbath the slightest bit interesting.
> Do you know Johnny A? No? Whoa.
Why whoa??? As has been suggested, a personal thing on my part to
help beginners learn about playing guitar...
:-)