Goodbye

[Pt]

I have been posting in this group for ten years give or take.
I hope that I have been able to help some new players but I have
reached my limit.
Between Lumpy and some others here all I see are insults and
ignorance.
Occasionally there is something of musical interest.
Like Modes.
Who cares about modes?
Every song is in a made.
I mean like Lumpy has actually threatened a mans life on here.
WTF?
He has threatened me and others and he thinks it's cute.
I may drop around occasionally to see if things have changed but I'm
out of here.
Have fun insulting and threatening each other.

Pt

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

Pt wrote:
> I have been posting in this group for ten years give or take.
> I hope that I have been able to help some new players but I have
> reached my limit.

You make this speech every few months.


Lump

[gonjah]

Practice makes perfect.

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

gonjah wrote:

> Practice makes perfect.

Appropriately put for a guitar forum.

Perhaps Pt's alter personna-du-jour, "Kathy" could tell
her 12y/o about the concept.

"I've been reading guitar forums for days and
still can't play any better"


Lump

[wereoawl]

"Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke" <lu...@LumpyMusic.com> wrote in message
news:jpsgep$86d$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

I am the only one who matters in music, guitar music and sports.

[esha...@yahoo.com]

I understand 100% - later. ed

[RichL]

"Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke" <lu...@LumpyMusic.com> wrote in message
news:jpsgep$86d$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> Perhaps Pt's alter personna-du-jour, "Kathy" could tell
> her 12y/o about the concept.

Very doubtful that it's Pt, but I agree that "Kathy" is likely to be a sock.

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I understand 100% - later. ed

Another who says "goodbye" then just uneventfully re-appears later.
Not as frequent as Pt, but just as drama queen.

Amazing that I have so much power over you two
weak souls. Go find an asshole free group.


Lump

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

Lump:

> > Perhaps Pt's alter personna-du-jour, "Kathy" could tell
> > her 12y/o about the concept.

Rich:

> Very doubtful that it's Pt, but I agree that "Kathy" is likely to be
> a sock.

Reads very much like the "Mrs Pt" post we got here a year or two ago.
Always happens on a weekend. Uses nearly the same language and style.
Posts concurrently with one of Pt's "I'm leaving" histrionics.


Lump

[gonjah]

PT was always thought about the beginners. Right up.... to the bitter
end. :'(

May 26, 2012 will always be remembered as "PT Day". Maybe that will
provide Kathy with some comfort.

[esha...@yahoo.com]

Interesting how some would consider me saying goodbye (for now) to PT as I quit..
Not in the least.. Ed

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

Pt wrote 5/26/2012:
> ... I'm

> out of here.
> Have fun insulting and threatening each other.

Pt wrote 6/4/2012:
> Ed, put some kind in melody in there.
> It seems to change tempo.

Gone just long enough to go illegally download
a few songs. Longer than I actually expected.
But a spineless, gutless liar as I expected.


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

At least he posts about music. and not just bitch,bitch,bitch.. Ed

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com bitches in irony and says:

> At least he posts about music. and not just bitch,bitch,bitch.. Ed

Pt? I thought he left becaue he couldn't stand the heat
of this kitchen? I guess he really didn't leave. Again.

You're bitching that I bitch too much?

Did you have a musical question you'd like me to answer?


Lump

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

gonjah wrote:

> I've noticed Lumpy will answer just about any question a person has
> about music...

Except for that rhythm vs lead nonsense.


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

What kind of strings should I use.
Thanks Ed

[Nil]

On 05 Jun 2012, "Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke" <lu...@LumpyMusic.com> wrote in
alt.guitar.beginner:

> Gone just long enough to go illegally download
> a few songs. Longer than I actually expected.

So fuckin' what? I hope he rubs your nose in it. You deserve the
abrasion.

Bravo, PT. There's no shame in taking a time out to cool off. Welcome
back.

[Controll]

On 6/5/2012 6:23 PM, gonjah wrote:
>
> X-No-Archive: Yes

> Yeah, Maybe PT should answer all the theory questions.
>
> ;)
Welcome back PT!

Well said Nil!

Hey gonjah, I've got some lyrics for you to put music too and practice:

♫There's a brown ring around gonjah's nose
and every day it grows and grows!♫

Just how far up Craig's ass do you have your nose?
Seems to me you should be tickling his tonsils with it by now!

Bastardo' ♪♫

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

gonjah wrote:
> I'm calling the police right now. Have your lawyer contact my lawyer.

Have Sting contact my veterinarian.


Lump

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

> What kind of strings should I use.

Big, mutha fuckin' fat ones.


Lump

[iL_WeReo]

> Bastardo' ♪♫- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Heh.

[iL_WeReo]

On Jun 5, 4:52 pm, "Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke" <lu...@LumpyMusic.com> wrote:

You can't answer any musical questions because you don't know anything
about music.

[esha...@yahoo.com]

I put RotoSound Swing Bass strings on my Lucero classic/electric and now the tuning pegs hit the bridge... and I'm still not up to pitch - what next?? Thanks Ed

[Nil]

On 06 Jun 2012, esha...@yahoo.com wrote in alt.guitar.beginner:

> I put RotoSound Swing Bass strings on my Lucero classic/electric
> and now the tuning pegs hit the bridge... and I'm still not up to
> pitch - what next?? Thanks Ed

Reinforce your guitar neck with toilet paper rolls.

[esha...@yahoo.com]

But TP rolls don't have frets.. how's that gonna work? Fretless ? Then I don't know where my figers go... can you just pain lines on them? e

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I put RotoSound Swing Bass strings on my Lucero classic/electric and
> now the tuning pegs hit the bridge... and I'm still not up to pitch -
> what next?? Thanks Ed

You have to learn to read standard notation by ear.
And that setup is only for playing lead.
In a band.

Lucero. Don't they make cottage cheese?


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

I do read std notation by ear(mostly)- First I read it with my eyes, then I put it to my ear and see if it looks good. Then I plug in the cord, or not if acoustic...

& You didn't say for LEAD only.( I'm a Guitar/Bass player !! eyes roll...) ,but they are Light gauge Rotosounds so I can bend them..on a bass anyway)

and I don't have a band anymore...& YES IT SUCKS BIG TIME.. I miss it alot,
don't remind me!!! I'm trying to get over it..

And my Lucero is Black and not Lumpy - I sure hope its not cottage cheese..( but I did get it for free)

Carry On ( you will anyway) .. Ed

[esha...@yahoo.com]

On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 2:30:02 PM UTC-5, gonjah wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes

> On 6/6/2012 2:23 PM, esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:00:52 PM UTC-5, Craig&#39;Lumpy&#39; Lemke wrote:
> >> esha...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> I put RotoSound Swing Bass strings on my Lucero classic/electric and
> >>> now the tuning pegs hit the bridge... and I'm still not up to pitch -
> >>> what next?? Thanks Ed
> >> You have to learn to read standard notation by ear.
> >> And that setup is only for playing lead.
> >> In a band.
> >>
> >> Lucero. Don't they make cottage cheese?
> >>
> >>
> >> Lump
> > I do read std notation by ear(mostly)- First I read it with my eyes, then I put it to my ear and see if it looks good. Then I plug in the cord, or not if acoustic...
> >
> > & You didn't say for LEAD only.( I'm a Guitar/Bass player !! eyes roll...) ,but they are Light gauge Rotosounds so I can bend them..on a bass anyway)
> >
> > and I don't have a band anymore...& YES IT SUCKS BIG TIME.. I miss it alot,
> > don't remind me!!! I'm trying to get over it..
>

> But isn't that Lumpy's point? You had a collection of non-assholes that
> fell apart and now you feel slighted. If you have confidence in your
> musical ability you won't need a group of non-assholes to complete you.
>
> It's all about you. Not your friends.
>
> <getting off my soap box now>
>
> ;)

Other guitar players Wife was the big A. that spoiled the party. (He can't play NoOOO more)..& As I don't care to gig out, I was content to play with my friends, even if some of us Suck.. ed

[esha...@yahoo.com]

On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 2:43:20 PM UTC-5, gonjah wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes

> The downfall of an incomplete musician. At some point we (and yes I said
> "we") should be able to jump in with any old bunch of a-holes and play
> music. Friendship should have little or nothing to do with it.

I don't let A's in my house, musicians or not. (and that's where the studio is). Just turns out that the musicians I connected with turned into my best friends..not the otherway around.
Ed

[esha...@yahoo.com]

On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 2:58:25 PM UTC-5, gonjah wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes

> Yeah. That's the old: "I have two Jaguars and a swimming pool; why do I
> need to be a complete musician?" argument.
>
> I guess that works for you, and others in this group. I can't really
> argue with that.

What is it that you think would make you a complete musician?
I feel complete, although - Not "Finished yet" & still learning. I've had
plenty of fun & accomplishments and success at it, and all I set out to do in the first place (on Guitar) was to be able to strum some chords around the camp fire.
FYI - XK8 is broken now( I'm working on it) - feel better? -Ed

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

gonjah wrote:
> It's all about you. Not your friends.

I thought it was all about Nuclear Warrior.


Lump

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:


> FYI - XK8 is broken now( I'm working on it) - feel better? -Ed

Bring it on over. I've got every auto repair tool known to man.
Oh BTW, it was 111 degrees last Saturday. You can work on it in
the driveway. I'll be in the man cave sipping lemonade.
And cussing.


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 3:21:54 PM UTC-5, gonjah wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes

> On 6/6/2012 3:15 PM, esha...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > <snip> What is it that you think would make you a complete musician?

> > I feel complete, although - Not "Finished yet" & still learning. I've
> > had plenty of fun & accomplishments and success at it, and all I set
> > out to do in the first place (on Guitar) was to be able to strum some
> > chords around the camp fire. FYI - XK8 is broken now( I'm working on
> > it) - feel better? -Ed
>

> Good question. Maybe one that doesn't have to rely on others? Maybe an
> unfortunate choice of words on my part.
>
> And "no" I don't.

I don't "HAVE to" rely on others - I can play Sitar, or Guitar (acoustic or
electric)/or Bass and with or without Tarus bass pedals or Keys( not great but passable on a few tunes) alone or all the above mutitrack recording for
even more fun ( as I like multi parts ).
But still not the same as with a LIVE LOUD band which is my favorite.. ed

[esha...@yahoo.com]

No way you have the tool I needed last weekend. Thermostat was suck..simple
replacemnet..NOT! The stupid housing was plastic and the 3 screws requied to
remove it were brass incerts in the housing - spinning with the bolt. Had to
remove the entire housing and replace with a proper Aluminum one. Problem was
the back 2 8mm bolts are trapped under the intake plenum ( no way I want to go
that deep and remove all that stuff).. Had to custom bend an 8mm open end at a
90 degree after about 1" and work it a smidge at a time.
also lost an ingnition coil as it got hot and all new plugs (fixed). Now 1 injector is still acting up.. on order ( or slight blow head gasket - Not looking forward to that possibility). I already did all the cussing required.

85 today ..


Thanks Buddie.... : ' ) - e

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

> No way you have the tool I needed last weekend. Thermostat was
> suck..simple
> replacemnet..NOT! The stupid housing was plastic and the 3 screws
> requied to
> remove it were brass incerts in the housing - spinning with the bolt.
> Had to
> remove the entire housing and replace with a proper Aluminum one.

Even if I didn't have the tools (I'm sure I do) it'd be fun
to sit back and watch you cussin and spittin trying to get
the damn thing off.

Don't forget, I drive a van. Van engine compartments are the
definition of "Can't reach that without removing this first"


Lump

[gonjah]

On 6/6/2012 5:20 PM, Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke wrote:
> esha...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> No way you have the tool I needed last weekend. Thermostat was
>> suck..simple
>> replacemnet..NOT! The stupid housing was plastic and the 3 screws
>> requied to
>> remove it were brass incerts in the housing - spinning with the bolt.
>> Had to
>> remove the entire housing and replace with a proper Aluminum one.
> Even if I didn't have the tools (I'm sure I do) it'd be fun
> to sit back and watch you cussin and spittin trying to get
> the damn thing off.
>

> Don't forget, I drive a van.<snip>
>

From your porno days?

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

Lump:

> > Don't forget, I drive a van.<snip>

gonj:
> From your porno days?

Please return your lava lamps and mirrored balls
to their upright and locked position.


Lump

[Rufus]

...as it should be. Life is too short to justify hanging out with
assholes, in *any* regard and/or for *any* reason.

--
- Rufus

[gonjah]

The point is you *don't* hang out, but you guys seem to think you need
to love everyone.

[Rufus]

gonjah wrote:
> On 6/6/2012 7:23 PM, Rufus wrote:
>> esha...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 2:43:20 PM UTC-5, gonjah wrote:
>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes

>>> I don't let A's in my house, musicians or not. (and that's where the
>>> studio is). Just turns out that the musicians I connected with turned
>>> into my best friends..not the otherway around.
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>> ...as it should be. Life is too short to justify hanging out with
>> assholes, in *any* regard and/or for *any* reason.
>>
>
> The point is you *don't* hang out, but you guys seem to think you need
> to love everyone.

No, not "love"...just get along. Typically one doesn't get along with
assholes. So why hang with them?

--
- Rufus

[gonjah]

You are throwing "hang" in again. It's a job. Show up, do your job,
collect your check, go home and hang out.

If playing music is a social club for you it's always going to be just
that. To play professionally, you'd have to keep all the options open.
You couldn't realistically expect to "get along" with all your co-workers.

Mick and Keith haven't been friends for decades now. They still make
great music.

[esha...@yahoo.com]

I hate you for that.... : ' )

[Rufus]

gonjah wrote:
> On 6/6/2012 8:53 PM, Rufus wrote:
>> gonjah wrote:
>>> On 6/6/2012 7:23 PM, Rufus wrote:
>>>> esha...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 2:43:20 PM UTC-5, gonjah wrote:
>>>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>>> I don't let A's in my house, musicians or not. (and that's where the
>>>>> studio is). Just turns out that the musicians I connected with turned
>>>>> into my best friends..not the otherway around.
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...as it should be. Life is too short to justify hanging out with
>>>> assholes, in *any* regard and/or for *any* reason.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The point is you *don't* hang out, but you guys seem to think you need
>>> to love everyone.
>>
>> No, not "love"...just get along. Typically one doesn't get along with
>> assholes. So why hang with them?
>>
>
> You are throwing "hang" in again. It's a job. Show up, do your job,
> collect your check, go home and hang out.
>

...I guess that's where we're getting mixed up - music isn't a job for
me...it's a pastime or a hobby. No assholes allowed. I got enough of
that at work.

> If playing music is a social club for you it's always going to be just
> that. To play professionally, you'd have to keep all the options open.
> You couldn't realistically expect to "get along" with all your co-workers.
>

I don't want to play professionally. And that's two of the *many*
reasons why. Not to mention that I've been called out before because my
co-workers didn't think I liked them, even though I was considered very
technically competent. And one of my co-workers got reassigned (and
banned from our building...) recently for not getting along...so it
matters. And yes, I do expect to get along with my co-workers or find
another job.

> Mick and Keith haven't been friends for decades now. They still make
> great music.

They make great money...if I made that sort of money I'd think
different. But I don't. So I don't.

--
- Rufus

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

Rufus wrote:

[Mick and Keef]

> They make great money...if I made that sort of money I'd think
> different. But I don't. So I don't.

You think that for enough money, you'd hang out with assholes?

Isn't it conceivable that you have as much to learn from
an asshole as you would from a non-asshole? I'm not talking
about music, necessarily. Wouldn't being around someone with
a personality very, very different than your own (the asshole)
serve to re-affirm to you about your own personal choice of
personality?

If everybody you associated with were easy going, a non-challenge,
wouldn't that be boring, non-growth inducing?

Look at the military for example. If the DIs asked the Marines
nicely to "Please consider doing just a couple pushups, if
you feel up to it" would those grunts ever grow?

I welcome the diversity of assholes, church ladies and everyone
inbetween. Makes me feel positive about the choices I've made.


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

For some real fun - you might want to come to Mn. My car can't get to Arizona..
Confirmed last night Blown Head gasket.. Now I need to rip apart a 32 valve
dual overhad cam, port injected V8, and while I'm at it replace all chains and guides.(@150,000 miles it's time). Ohh the fun .. Ed

[esha...@yahoo.com]

I'm confident in my choices and do not need any A's (as a comparison) to
re-affirm who I am (a complete person).
I’ve recently auditioned a smoking “lead” guitar player ( I say “lead” because
that’s all he wanted to do, sit back in the pocket and pop out now and then. &
rip it. would never help “pull the load” ) The guy was excellent but a total
A. Personally a wreck, dirty, living at a friend’s house, no job – & after
rehearsal blabbing for hours nonstop ( musta been on some kind of drugs.). At
any rate Not a Chance I wanted to “hang “ with that guy, no matter how good
he could play.

And yes it's a hobby..like Rufus.. Ed

[gonjah]

Then it's easy for you to understand why a musician, that wants to
provide for his family, would easily overlook someone's personality
defect. I think the notion of a "band of friends" is pretty much a pipe
dream. It would be nice but, in reality, unlikely.

[esha...@yahoo.com]

Yep I understand - if ya gotta ya gotta , I don't. E

[gonjah]

Do you do the hiring where you work?

[esha...@yahoo.com]

No - e

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

gonjah wrote:

> Then it's easy for you to understand why a musician, that wants to
> provide for his family, would easily overlook someone's personality
> defect. I think the notion of a "band of friends" is pretty much a
> pipe dream. It would be nice but, in reality, unlikely.

Not just music, but any group of humans.

If I may modify Rufus' comment...

"Life's too short to worry about whether or not
someone you interact with is an asshole"

What about you guys with kids. What if one of the cub scout dads
were an asshole. Would you kick the kid and him out of the pack
because you didn't want to deal with asshole dad?


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

Real Life example:
My son was in cub scouts - both the Leader and his son were A's. After giving it a try for a while, Me and my son decided "forget it". and I pulled him out.

California school system Jr High. My son -> both his teacher and the principal
were A's. They were more interested in social engineering than Math and Science.. I met with them a few times.. hopeless idiots. Year later we moved out of that dead end California.

I have worked for several A's before - sooner or later they got bounced out. I was still there.. Ed

[gonjah]

I'd think it would be more of an issue of how competent a musician is as
opposed to personality. I mean, it's not a position on "The View" we're
talking about, it's playing music. If you don't "like" someone don't
"hang-out".

I'm not judging my instructor by how she dresses, the way she looks, or
how nice her breath smells. I'm going by "am I continuously learning
something useful." It's her abilty to play music I'm interested in. As
it turns out, her personality seems fine, but she gets down to business
and we don't chit chat about the weather. I sit down and start playing
the piano and we go from there. It's about music. I don't really get
the "hanging out" thing. If it's about friendship, then why would we be
discussing it here? Aren't there other groups for that?

[gonjah]

On 6/7/2012 11:25 AM, esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yeah but that wasn't your choice was it? Seems you left that up to
chance and you forced yourself to deal with them because you're a
professional. Also, you didn't "hang out". You did your job and went
home. What I'm saying is, where are your priorities? Music or
friendship? If your priorities is to make good music, I don't see how
someone's personality makes much difference when it's the final product
that matters. If the guy is a drug addict, or has a schizoid episode,
that would effect his ability to play. But if he's just a weirdo that
plays well, does that really matter? Maybe he thinks you're a weirdo. So
what? Play your guitar.

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

> California school system Jr High. My son -> both his teacher and the
> principal
> were A's. They were more interested in social engineering than Math
> and Science.. I met with them a few times.. hopeless idiots. Year
> later we moved out of that dead end California.

and

> The guy was excellent but a total
> A. Personally a wreck, dirty, living at a friend’s house,
> no job – & after rehearsal blabbing for hours nonstop
> ( musta been on some kind of drugs.).

We may not all be on the same asshole page. I thought you were
originally talking about someone being an asshole as in being
like me - mean, rude, whatever. Now it seems you're defining
assholes as "differing politics" or in the case or the guitar guy,
someone who is unkempt, not personally organized, talks too much
or takes drugs.

You're gonna run out of people to get along with pretty soon.

Guitarist wanted. Must be more interested in Math and Science
than social engineering. Must be clean, own your own home, have
a job, not talk too much and be drug free.

And here I thought I was the asshole. I have a degree in biology,
don't tweet, don't have a myspace, shower daily, own more than one home,
self supporting and ingest ibuprophen more than I should, nothing stronger.


Lump

[gonjah]

I can't help but think it's some romantic notion and desire to reunite
the Beatles. "If it wasn't for that damn Yoko."

We we're brain washed watching "Hard Days Night" and "Help".

Goofy and fun loving. Then they play a song and get the girl. That's how
it's done, don't ya know?

[esha...@yahoo.com]

Yep Lotsa kinda A's. You have some merits at least.
I could prob. stand to hang with you(on your good days) maybe... e

[Rufus]

Not really. I can't understand anyone that is willing to put up with
someone or something that's disagreeable in deference to their own
personality and/or preferences. That smacks of "desperation" to me, and
personally I find desperation to be soul-poisoning. Particularly when
it comes to creative pursuits. Probably my single biggest reason for
not playing very much these days, outside of my health.

"Band of friends"...been there, done that - repeatedly. Just bowed out
of one such this week after our last gig, for health reasons...I undid
my last two weeks of physical therapy working the gig. We're still friends.

--
- Rufus

[Rufus]

...some of it, sorta. I do get to assign work if not directly hire.

--
- Rufus

[Rufus]

...ain't done that...seen it done, though. A few times. Not with
Scouts, but in other situations. Sports, mainly.

--
- Rufus

[Rufus]

...ditto.

--
- Rufus

[Rufus]

Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke wrote:
> esha...@yahoo.com wrote:.

>
> Guitarist wanted. Must be more interested in Math and Science
> than social engineering. Must be clean, own your own home, have
> a job, not talk too much and be drug free.
>

...heh...that's a spot-on description of all the folks in the band I
just "retired" from.

--
- Rufus

[Rufus]

gonjah wrote:
>
> X-No-Archive: Yes

> On 6/7/2012 1:57 PM, Rufus wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Then it's easy for you to understand why a musician, that wants to
>>> provide for his family, would easily overlook someone's personality
>>> defect. I think the notion of a "band of friends" is pretty much a pipe
>>> dream. It would be nice but, in reality, unlikely.
>>
>>
>> Not really. I can't understand anyone that is willing to put up with
>> someone or something that's disagreeable in deference to their own
>> personality and/or preferences. That smacks of "desperation" to me,
>> and personally I find desperation to be soul-poisoning. Particularly
>> when it comes to creative pursuits. Probably my single biggest reason
>> for not playing very much these days, outside of my health.
>>
>> "Band of friends"...been there, done that - repeatedly. Just bowed
>> out of one such this week after our last gig, for health reasons...I
>> undid my last two weeks of physical therapy working the gig. We're
>> still friends.
>>
>

> You obviously have special circumstances. When you're in pain it's
> difficult to cope. When my back was giving me so much grief I didn't
> want to get out of bed.

Yeah. Back and ankles...I'm developing progressively worsening
inflammatory issues in my tendons. Not sure that Humira is doing all of
what it once was for me. Seems to only work on my upper body.

I've got some residual desire for playing, but my health comes first. I
just plain can't be on my feet through three sets, and if I can't play
or do it the way I want to do it, then it simply isn't worth doing -
pain or no pain...it just flat frustrates me and makes me feel the worse
for doing less than I know I'm capable of. Or *was* capable of...

...managing stress (and diet) is a big part of managing my Crohn's.
Which is a key point of my "no assholes allowed" policy...trust me - it
helps.

I'm not the only one to arrive at this conclusion - to quote Utah
Phillips, from "The Past Didn't Go Anywhere" CD - "I like everybody, but
I've had some serious health problems and I found I can't *afford* to
like everybody. So I went on a low social-cholesterol diet - no more
fatheads".

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- Rufus

[Rufus]

gonjah wrote:
>
> X-No-Archive: Yes

> I went through something like that with my CTS, but at least I'm able to
> find something that I can do. Your situation sounds considerably more
> serious.
>
> <snip>
>

More annoying, in that it's progressing gradually, and
unpredictably...and it's not going to go away. Believe me, when they
said "incurable" it struck and stuck with me. All I can do is maintain
myself...so I pace myself - I have a *lot* of hobbies. I just pick and
do the ones I can do, as and when it suits me. I don't get bored. I'm
seriously ready to retire, though...not long now.

The only thing I'm not really sure if I can still do is fly - I'm pretty
sure I can still pass a Class 3 medical, but I'm not really certain
about my stamina, which I'm building back in PT now. Flying is about
the only thing I've ever done that I *really* miss these
days...maybe...it's something I can sit down and do, after all. I'm
likely *done* skydiving, because of my back...bummer.

--
- Rufus

[Tony Done]

On 7/06/2012 5:43 AM, gonjah wrote:
>
> X-No-Archive: Yes

> On 6/6/2012 2:35 PM, esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 2:30:02 PM UTC-5, gonjah wrote:
>>> X-No-Archive: Yes

>>> On 6/6/2012 2:23 PM, esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

>>>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:00:52 PM UTC-5, Craig&#39;Lumpy&#39;
>>>> Lemke wrote:

Speaking from experience, the subject of this piece of thread becomes a
whole lot easier if you don't have any friends.

Tony D

[esha...@yahoo.com]

The Fool On The Hill .... hehe ed

[gonjah]

Having moved from my home town, and away from my old buddies, I've made
a few new friends and have since even lost track of those. My "friends"
now are my family and their friends are my acquaintances.

I think some people have very loose definitions of what friends are.
Meet some folks and play music with them and they are friends? I think,
maybe yes, and maybe no, but it shouldn't make a lot of difference. You
don't have to be friends to be pleasant.

Funny thing is, about my old hometown friends is, we stay in touch, and
when they are in town they can stop by and spend the night or whatever,
but I just don't really want to "hang out" that much anymore. They were
old party friends and I don't party like I used to. I guess I just grew
out of them, and they of me. My oldest friend and I stay in touch, but
he's become so opinionated about politics that I can't stand to be
around him for very long.

[Rufus]

...I have more friends in places I've moved to than I *ever* had in my
hometown. And a lot of people that I might not have even considered
"friends" in these places have shown me far more consideration than I've
ever gotten in my home town. To this day.

> I think some people have very loose definitions of what friends are.
> Meet some folks and play music with them and they are friends? I think,
> maybe yes, and maybe no, but it shouldn't make a lot of difference. You
> don't have to be friends to be pleasant.
>

I have a very clear and strict definition of those whom I call "true
friends". The rest are "acquaintances". But of late I've found quite a
few of my "acquaintances" to be far more reliable in ways and situations
I may never have expected of them. My closest friend is having a real
hard time accepting the limitations of state of my health...I can
understand that, to a point.

We just lost one of the good ones in a motorcycle accident this past
Saturday...we're all sort of still in shock. He was a really decent guy
and was just out of the day having a good time with a few of the other
guys from work. Good day, good guys, tragic ending. Sucks.

> Funny thing is, about my old hometown friends is, we stay in touch, and
> when they are in town they can stop by and spend the night or whatever,
> but I just don't really want to "hang out" that much anymore. They were
> old party friends and I don't party like I used to. I guess I just grew
> out of them, and they of me. My oldest friend and I stay in touch, but
> he's become so opinionated about politics that I can't stand to be
> around him for very long.

I never really hung out with many people in my home town...I was always
an outcast - mostly because I did what interested *me* and have never
been one to follow a crowd or a "trend". And most of the people I did
hang out with during my high school days are either dead or in jail now.
Seriously. I go home to see my family (whom are great), and not much
more. I left my hometown behind at 17 and have never looked back,
except to be glad not to live there.

My old college roomie - whom started me playing guitar, and taught me a
lot of the basics of what I know - lives a couple towns away...I keep in
touch with him and his wife and kids. I see them once a year, and maybe
e-mail back and fourth with his wife - whom I introduced him to. We
don't play together, because he doesn't play anymore - even though he
still has his gear.

--
- Rufus

[Tony Done]

The reason I won't have anything to do with Facebook is the "friend" thing.

I don't have any real friends, and my wife's friends are my aquaintances
plus a few of my own. However, Oz has the concept of mateship, those
with whom you work or live in close contact. You might not like them
particularly but you would risk much to ensure their welfare in
difficult or dangerous situations. It comes from living in harsh
isolated and being cannon fodder in a number of wars.

Tony D

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

Tony Done wrote:

> The reason I won't have anything to do with Facebook is the "friend"
> thing.
>
> I don't have any real friends, and my wife's friends are my

> aquaintances plus a few of my own...

I think the concept of "friends" is a youth oriented "need".
Ask a teenager, they'll tell you various levels of their
friends. "Well I have my 6 or 7 absolute BEST friends then
eleven of my closest friends, then 20 or 30 close friends,
and then 60 or 70 who are 'just friends'". As that teen
gets older and develops his/her own individuality and
self identity, they have less of a need to gather in
groups to reinforce their own thoughts/beliefs/ideals,
most of which have yet to be tested in the real world.

Add a couple of decades to that scenario and the "need for
friends" to reinforce my beliefs dwindles. Once you've
worked, gotten an education, raised a family, survived
traumas and hardships, experienced success, it's much
easier to have your own beliefs and ideals and not
be so dependent on being "accepted" by others to feel worthwhile.


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

I agree with the No facebook thing.. Why does it need to be public who your friends are.?? It's stupid.. But it's good to have real friends, and you don't need to agree on everything. If you were near me I think I could make it work. I'd make you into a jam partner in no time : ' ) - ed

[esha...@yahoo.com]

> Lump (fool on the hill)

I have "friends" that I diagree with in BIG ways.. But I can put that aside and still have a good time with them. I guess it depends on your definition. I consider "Friends" to be people I know, trust, and have at least a few things in common with that enable us to enjoy things together. ed

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have "friends" that I diagree with in BIG ways.. But I can put that

> aside and still have a good time with them...

And that's probably the difference between you and your friends,
vs teens and their friends. When you're 15, you can't be my friend
if you don't agree with me. Teens also have a hundred times the
friends you do.


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

I think some of my best friends were actually the ones that were always taking the other side of an arguement or fight. Or maybe it was me..?? Anyway just keep it all in perspective..some healthy disagreement can work..wanna jam? ed

[Rufus]

...sounds very much like living in the high Mojave desert.

--
- Rufus

[Rufus]

Third.

--
- Rufus

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I think some of my best friends were actually the ones that were
> always taking the other side of an arguement or fight. Or maybe it
> was me..?? Anyway just keep it all in perspective..some healthy
> disagreement can work..wanna jam? ed

I thought you refused to work with assholes?


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

Now and then you're OK. If you go into an A attack I'll show you the door.
I think you just like to argue for the fun of it!, and I like to slam you down.
It's no fun fighting if the competion is lame! ( where did P.T. Go?).

E

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

> ... where did P.T. Go?

As always, nowhere. The worthless piece of fecal matter
is lurking. He'll be back. Posting as if he were some kind
of altruistic angel to beginning guitarists everywhere.
All the while stealing from other musicians.

BTW, I own the door. You don't get the option to
show it to me.


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

Hahaha BS - Not if you're at my place Jammin.. and I fired you a while back..
E

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Hahaha BS - Not if you're at my place Jammin.. and I fired you a
> while back.. E

I doubt you could afford me for your jam sessions.
I charge travel time. I'm not interested in entertaining
you or educating you for free.

"Firing" isn't a concept. I get paid up front. You decide
you don't like me, that's your personal problem, not a
musical problem. You pay for me in 3 hr blocks, in advance.
I play music. I'm not there to discuss politics or the weather.
There is no "opportunity for asshole". It's simply music, played
better than you could surely imagine. I can do all kinds of
advanced things like keep time.

That's the way it works in the real world. My world.


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

There is no pay.. I was just going to do it for FUN.. BBQ, swim, beer , music. etc.
But seems you don't know how to have fun... Go back up your HILL : ' ) - e

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is no pay.. I was just going to do it for FUN.. BBQ, swim, beer
> , music. etc. But seems you don't know how to have fun... Go back up
> your HILL : ' ) - e

Whatever it is YOU do for a living, how about you come to my
house and do it without pay. I'll cook you a burger.


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

You don't have the right gear at your house to do what I do for a living, the
stuff costs millions and millions of $$$ each and we have a fab full of it..
for example, one of our competitors =

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/24/us-umc-idUSBRE84N02H20120524

bestides it's not much Fun ,it's more of a challenge (and you would not be able
to join in in the least)

And I thought you were retired? (and Possibly an A ?)- e

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:
> You don't have the right gear at your house to do what I do for a
> living, the stuff costs millions and millions of $$$ each and we have
> a fab full of it..

Precisely my point. You don't have the right "mental gear".
I'm not about to come over and donate my time to teach you.

Fill your fab.


Lump

[esha...@yahoo.com]

>
> Precisely my point. You don't have the right "mental gear".

>

> Lump

Oh yeah I forgot "Pay me or I will not play". You're right , I play for fun.
and have friends (it's like being a kid again ).. Ed

[Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke]

esha...@yahoo.com wrote:

> ... I play
> for fun...

I do too. But it has to be "fun".
Playing with people who can't keep time or
sing in tune isn't exactly my definition of fun.


Lump

[Tony Done]

Thanks Ed, I'm sure we could get along just fine, but I haven't had much
success co-operating in bands. Lumpy mentioned not needing peer approval
as you get older, I think I've also become more self-absorbed, which is
why I have the band problem. It's the same at work, I get on with my job
(mostly about making things work smoothly), but have very little
interest in what goes on around me these days.

I was thinking about this idea of mateship yesterday. I'm a big fan of
Masterchef, which I think is an Oz concept that has now been franchised
to the US and elsewhere. If you compare it to say Hell's Kitchen,
another cooking elimination contest, it is much more about co-operation
and working in mutually supportive teams than it is about beating the
other competitors, as HK seems to be.

Tony D

[Funkifized]

Oh, you mean the "Tidy Bowl Man"? Yes, but you would think that he'd know that it's spelled "Ty-D-Bol Man". And that the original actor who played him died: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/afterword/2010/08/dan-resin-the-tydbol-man-in-tv-commercials-dies-at-79.html

The other three actors that played him were Mark Matheisen, Fred Miltonberg, Larry Sprinkle. Not a Lemke in the bunch.

Buddy Merrill was Lawrence Welk's guitarist; not a Lumpy in sight.

[esha...@yahoo.com]

BooHoo - I quit then . e