What will you do when you can't gig anymore?
bassman2
physically I weren't able, then that's a different thing, but do you
ever think that there will be a time when gigging is a thing of the
past, and the bass will be too heavy to carry on stage anyway? And the
music too loud as well?
Perhaps teaching. Or writing. In any case, never too far from the
music...
Tim
I dont't know. I really never gave it that much thought.
I love to play bass, but it's not my life nor my livelihood. My dad
was quite a saxophonist and he played up until a week before he died.
He was 84. But for the past 10 years he played mostly for his own
enjoyment. Just by himself, but i'd say I used to plug in a bass and
sit in with him, while he ran though a few old standards.
Carol Kaye is over 70 and still gigs quite a bit.
JoeSpareBedroom
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Dave Brubeck is 90 or 91, I think. Says he feels stiff if he doesn't play
every day. So he plays every day. Sounds like a plan.
bassman2
> every day. So he plays every day. Sounds like a plan.
The difference is that a piano player can do that - without other
musicians. We, as players of bass, need others (not machines/
software..)
JoeSpareBedroom
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So, I'll find a crusty old piano player when I'm 90. :-)
bassman2
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> "bassman2" <vince_angelon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Priceless!
Jim Carr
You could always take up fishing - you wouldn't have to change your
e-mail address.
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Write a wise saying and your name will live forever.
- Anonymous
MegaSwing
Play along to my favorite jams, very loudly.
Edward G.
Baltimore, MD
RichL
Plenty of other options, too. Session work. Home studio recording.
Bitching on usenet ;-)
Derek Tearne
> You know, I never actually sit down to think about this..I suppose if
> physically I weren't able, then that's a different thing, but do you
> ever think that there will be a time when gigging is a thing of the
> past, and the bass will be too heavy to carry on stage anyway? And the
> music too loud as well?
That's just crazy talk.
Sure, there may come a time when starting a gig at 1am and playing heavy
loud music till 4am no longer holds any appeal - at which point one
finds less tiring outlets for public performance.
Personally I think playing will be the last thing to go - probably well
after all my marbles have gone.
I know plenty of post retirement age musicians who still do public
performances - I can't think of a single musician who has stopped simply
through old age.
There's a fair body of research that suggests playing music is good for
you, particularly in old age.
Stopping for any reason other than losing too many limbs seems like a
cop out to me.
My arm is now out of plaster - but not moving enough to be able to play
properly yet. One thing is clear though, if it turns out my limb never
recovers more than it has now that won't be the end of playing - I'll
just have to develop some new techniques - or learn to play right
handed. I'm pretty confident I'll get playing mobility back though -
even though the physio exercises hurt quite a bit.
Last night I went to the somewhat freeform (but tune based) thingy I've
been playing at for a few months - it was very frustrating to have to
sit back and not play - especially as almost all the tunes were ones I
actually knew! and some really needed bass.
--- Derek
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Vitamin S - improvisation from Aotearoa/New Zealand
http://www.vitamin-s.co.nz/
js
stop.
I don't mean to be all "emo" here, but for a variety of reasons, I NEVER,
EVER thought I would live to see 40. Now that I'm almost 41, I've got to
think about the "big picture" so to speak.
My dream is to just keel over on the bandstand though. Short and sweet..
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Pt
I'm getting up there in age but age has not been a problem for me.
Luckily I am in good health and my briain is still working about 50
percent.
I don't think age would stop me from gigging unless I just couldn't
stand on stage anymore but other factors could end our gigging.
Alcohol and drugs will put you on everyones black list.
The thing that destroys us the most is a woman.
I hate to say that but we devote our entire lives to one woman and in
a heartbeat she is gone.
Reasons are not important but the results are.
We lose our ability to think, to do the things we love.
If we are lucky and work hard at it we will bounce back.
Many don't bounce back.
It is a shame that another person can rule our entire lives.
I'm gigging tomorrow.
Pt
js
haiku"...
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js
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> I will feign mental illness and live the rest of my life in an
> institution.
John (NJ)
It'll never happen. There's a punk band of retirees in AZ called "One
Foot in the Grave." I plan to make that a national franchise. It'll
be like Menudo: as members get too old/die off they are replaced by
new members. It'll never end! It works for Lynyrd Skynyrd.
J Stevens
1: I could work in a Haberdashery or maybe lie a Chapeau shop or something.
2: As long as there's still sex and drugs, I could do without the rock and
roll
Jay S
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Reminds me of "Old Folks Boogie" by Little Feat. :-)
eadg
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Hopefully I'll be in the twilight zone, too old to worry
about it. Apart from three+ years out of action in my early
40s due to chronic back problems I've been gigging regularly
in one form or another (mostly bass, a few years on drums
after extensive practice) for 43ish years, so another few
years to reach a half century is beckoning for me. No big
deal really compared to some guys I've played with in recent
years. The oldest was an 84 year old trombonist who played
with the Dorsey brothers way back. He was over from Arizona
to watch a local jazz festival a few years back and in true
'is there a doctor in the house?' fashion he replaced the
missing trommy from my big band's gig at late notice, cold as
a fish, on holiday in a foreign country, and 'nary put a foot
wrong throughout the two one hour sets the band had been
rehearsing for months prior to the gig. Challenging stuff
too, ensemble wise.
--
SR
RichL
> I dunno. I've been asking myself that question for the last 5 years.
> I can't stop.
>
> I don't mean to be all "emo" here, but for a variety of reasons, I
> NEVER, EVER thought I would live to see 40. Now that I'm almost 41,
> I've got to think about the "big picture" so to speak.
>
> My dream is to just keel over on the bandstand though. Short and
> sweet..
Well, there's the Kurt Cobain approach, if you feel you've outlived your
usefulness ;-)
But I hear what you're saying. My old man died of a heart attack at age
47 and I thought that's when I was going to go too. When I passed 47, I
spent a couple of years wondering why the end was taking so long. Then
I stopped worrying. It's been 14 years so far.
Strange things get in your head, totally irrational. My old man
basically died because he lived a lifestyle that was far different from
mine. There wasn't anything hereditary about it whatsoever. Still,
even knowing all that, the thought was there.
RichL
> They way you write makes your post sound like some sort of "beta male
> haiku"...
This coming from the guy who said "I NEVER, EVER thought I would live to
see 40..."???
Scott Dickson
I would imagine that when I cant slug my Amp around, it's time to
quit. I I could see myself getting a beggars license, and Busking with
the Banjo. Folks would pity me, and fill my hat!!!!!!
Scott Dickson
<< Bitching on usenet >>
Sorry, you cant do that...you already are.
Scott Dickson
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:38:43 -0800 (PST), bassman2
>
> institution.
<< I will feign mental illness and live the rest of my life in an
> institution.>>
Only Monday through Thursday...you gotta be out for the weekend
gig!!!!!
Les Cargill
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:38:43 -0800 (PST), bassman2
> institution.
Ah. The Syd Barret strategy.
The lunatic is on the grass.....
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Les Cargill
Geez, that's weird. I had the exact same thought.
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Les Cargill
What are the hours?
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Pt
> They way you write makes your post sound like some sort of "beta male
> haiku"...
I take a beta blocker, I am a male and I like haiku.
Maybe that was a compliment.
Pt
Misifus
Such fears are not always logical. My wife's father was killed in a car
wreck when he was 48. When my wife approached that age, she was seized
by an irrational fear that she, too, would not live past 48. We are now
both 67, and all is well.
-Raf
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home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
RichL
Yup, very similar phenomenon.
js
A beta answer would have been like "I guess I'll just sit in my house and
die alone and unloved because even my cats hate me."
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js
getting really sick in '04 was one of the big ones - but it wasn't any sort
of romantic rock and roll death wish.
...although I firmly believe that it is better to burn out than fade away.
You shouldn't have to wait until you're wearing a diaper and strapped to a
gurney in an old folks home to decide if you want to keep pooping your pants
another day longer.
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Kloka-mo'
John, 34 more years!!!!! Can ya' stand it?!?!?!?
Woo-Hoo!
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js
Your beta sentiments sometimes drive me nuts though. So I guess it's a
half-compliment.
For the oldsters, a definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beta+male
The opposite of Alpha male. In modern society an Alpha male not only
requires physical prowess, but also confidence and attitude. The Beta male
of modern society usually, only has one of these traits, if any. The Beta
male tends to be smart, quiet and unconfrontational. If lucky, beta males
can get a hot chick once in her 30's, after she's tired of fucking the Alpha
Males, and decides to settle down with a beta male for money and stability.
Alpha Males get everything, Beta Males get the left overs. It's a little
thing called "Life"..
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js
One guy bills himself as C.O.L.D. Charlotte's Oldest Living Drummer; he's in
his early 70's, and he's a badass motherfucker too. Horny as a 16 year old,
loves to drink, and looks 20 years younger than he is.
I'd give you his website, if he had one...The guy FINALLY bought a computer
a couple years ago... : D
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MegaSwing
> Hell, I know. Most of the guys I gig with are in their 50's, 60's and 70's.
>
> One guy bills himself as C.O.L.D. Charlotte's Oldest Living Drummer; he's in
> his early 70's, and he's a badass motherfucker too. Horny as a 16 year old,
> loves to drink, and looks 20 years younger than he is.
>
> I'd give you his website, if he had one...The guy FINALLY bought a computer
> a couple years ago... : D
I know a guy like C.O.L.D., a keyboardist friend's dad. My friend
learned music playing in the family band led by the old man, which
worked weekends. This guy is pushing 80 and can blow a saxophone
apart, sits in at Vegas and Atlantic City gigs, and has a young wife.
THAT's a role model for yer ASS!
Edward G.
Baltimore, MD
Benj
> You know, I never actually sit down to think about this..I suppose if
> physically I weren't able, then that's a different thing, but do you
> ever think that there will be a time when gigging is a thing of the
> past, and the bass will be too heavy to carry on stage anyway? And the
> music too loud as well?
>
> Perhaps teaching. Or writing. In any case, never too far from the
> music...
This is a very interesting topic for me. When you are younger and
healthy (you can lose health at any age!) you don't think much about
this but when trouble strikes which in my case was heart trouble you
find you can't do what you used to. So what happens when you can't?
Well some adjustments have to be made. But ART is a very broad topic!
In my case I was forced to give up drumming simply because it was too
physical. Not only the playing but the lugging of stuff around. And
for the most part I had to give up dancing for the same reason. But
give up music? I don't think so.
So now I'm concentrating on bass and guitar. My music has moved from
young person jump around like crazy stuff to crusty old geezer blues
where I can still be believable. And I'm currently looking hard at
Markbass and other ways to lighten the load. But I don't think you can
be too old and stroked to play even gig if you have something left to
say! You've probably seen the great ones putting on a show where they
couldn't even walk by themselves and had to sit in a chair on stage
the whole time. AND they blew you away so badly that you KNEW you'd
never be the same after having seen that show! That's my goal no
matter how my health goes. Sure, I may never reach the level of Elvin
or BB King, or others but the good news is that music has enough there
that no matter what your situation, there are still places where you
can do good.
I'm a little miffed at having this shoved in my face, but fact is that
while some things have become out of range, that just opens other
doors. As far as I'm concerned I may have to give up certain things
I've enjoyed in the past, but I've seen FAR too many great players who
could hardly walk bring down the house. Another bass player I know
told me about some geezer horn player he knew who keeled over and died
right on stage during the guy's last gig! He told me that this was
the way he wanted to go too! (he is a young guy) In fact, in my view
that is the way EVERY musician should aspire to go. Right on stage at
the final show! What more needs to be said?
PS. I figured out long ago that Westones take care of the "too loud"
problem.
Tim
> > Dave Brubeck is 90 or 91, I think. Says he feels stiff if he doesn't play
> > every day. So he plays every day. Sounds like a plan.
>
> The difference is that a piano player can do that - without other
> musicians. We, as players of bass, need others (not machines/
> software..)
Les Paul died recently, and was in his 90's and still doing a club
show on a consistant basis.
R K0ko
> You know, I never actually sit down to think about this..I suppose if
> physically I weren't able, then that's a different thing, but do you
> ever think that there will be a time when gigging is a thing of the
> past, and the bass will be too heavy to carry on stage anyway? And the
> music too loud as well?
>
> Perhaps teaching. Or writing. In any case, never too far from the
> music...
Mike Fleming
(Derek Tearne) writes:
> My arm is now out of plaster - but not moving enough to be able to play
> properly yet. One thing is clear though, if it turns out my limb never
> recovers more than it has now that won't be the end of playing - I'll
> just have to develop some new techniques - or learn to play right
> handed. I'm pretty confident I'll get playing mobility back though -
> even though the physio exercises hurt quite a bit.
Given sufficient determination, you'll find a way. I saw a band a
litle while back whose bassist didn't use his right hand at all,
everything was hammer-ons and pull-offs. Turned out he'd had a stroke
and lost the use of his right arm.
--
Mike Fleming
Derek Tearne
I've got quite a lot of mobility back already, in less that a week. I
can play some tunes high up in the dusty end - but the E and B strings -
especially below the 7th fret - are defeating me. I think it's fairly
likely that I'll get that last bit of rotation necessary for the
remaining notes quite soon. And I'll be able to do genuine agonised
expressions during solos for a few more weeks at least.
--- Derek
--
Derek Tearne - de...@url.co.nz
Vitamin S - improvisation from Aotearoa/New Zealand
http://www.vitamin-s.co.nz/
eadg
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I had a month out recently because of a sprained finger (left
middle). Easing it back into action was'nt too bad, I had
more trouble with a massive blister on the right forefinger
to be honest.
--
SR
Misifus
There is a rather well-known bassist in the upper Mid-West who lost an
arm in an accident, and has continued to play one-handed quite well.
The Sicker Vicar
> I dunno. I've been asking myself that question for the last 5 years. I can't
> stop.
>
> I don't mean to be all "emo" here, but for a variety of reasons, I NEVER,
> EVER thought I would live to see 40. Now that I'm almost 41, I've got to
> think about the "big picture" so to speak.
>
> My dream is to just keel over on the bandstand though. Short and sweet..
>
>
> news:6f213a8e-1ca1-4be9...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > You know, I never actually sit down to think about this..I suppose if
> > physically I weren't able, then that's a different thing, but do you
> > ever think that there will be a time when gigging is a thing of the
> > past, and the bass will be too heavy to carry on stage anyway? And the
> > music too loud as well?
>
> > Perhaps teaching. Or writing. In any case, never too far from the
>
> - Show quoted text -
41?
You're f-ing 41? Not even, really?
Mister Methusaleh Big-Shot Pro Everybody Listen to Me Like I'm Jesus
on the Mount Because I Invented the Bass is frakking 41?
GO 'WAY, BOAH, YA BAHTHER ME!
Holy crap, the ego was hard enough to take when I envisioned you as a
grizzled old silverback who taught Jaco a few things on his way up
back in the day. I thought you had Prohibition-era tales to tell.
You're YOUNGER than me? Hot holy shit, you take the All-Time Gasbag
Award, Bass Division!
PLEASE tell me you're joking and really 78--you're a CARICATURE
otherwise.
The Sicker Vicar
> On Nov 12, 7:38 pm, bassman2 <vince_angelon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You know, I never actually sit down to think about this..I suppose if
> > physically I weren't able, then that's a different thing, but do you
> > ever think that there will be a time when gigging is a thing of the
> > past, and the bass will be too heavy to carry on stage anyway? And the
> > music too loud as well?
>
> > Perhaps teaching. Or writing. In any case, never too far from the
>
> I'm getting up there in age but age has not been a problem for me.
> Luckily I am in good health and my briain is still working about 50
> percent.
> I don't think age would stop me from gigging unless I just couldn't
> stand on stage anymore but other factors could end our gigging.
> Alcohol and drugs will put you on everyones black list.
> The thing that destroys us the most is a woman.
> I hate to say that but we devote our entire lives to one woman and in
> a heartbeat she is gone.
> Reasons are not important but the results are.
> We lose our ability to think, to do the things we love.
> If we are lucky and work hard at it we will bounce back.
> Many don't bounce back.
> It is a shame that another person can rule our entire lives.
> I'm gigging tomorrow.
>
> Pt
What happened? Did she die, or leave you?
The Sicker Vicar
> They way you write makes your post sound like some sort of "beta male
> haiku"...
>
Why beta male? Because he admits to feelings other than rage and
triumph?
klaw
> You know, I never actually sit down to think about this..I suppose if
> physically I weren't able, then that's a different thing, but do you
> ever think that there will be a time when gigging is a thing of the
> past, and the bass will be too heavy to carry on stage anyway? And the
> music too loud as well?
>
> Perhaps teaching. Or writing. In any case, never too far from the
> music...
get the Wii version
The Sicker Vicar
> That's not beta. That was just a statement of fact.
>
> A beta answer would have been like "I guess I'll just sit in my house and
> die alone and unloved because even my cats hate me."
>
That would be a clinically depressed answer.
Oh, wait, lemme guess: alpha males (like you, maybe?) don't DO
depression, that's for weak little betas.
Thank God you're not a doctor.
You sure are ignorant about a lot of things.
Why do the stupidest people always talk the most?
The Sicker Vicar
> It's actually a lot of concrete things which I don't want to get into here -
Yeah, you wouldn't want to seem like a human being.
You might ruin your godlike online persona.
The Sicker Vicar
> Unlike corey, I actually like your posting style, however it evolved.
>
> Your beta sentiments sometimes drive me nuts though. So I guess it's a
> half-compliment.
>
> For the oldsters, a definition:
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beta+male
>
> The opposite of Alpha male. In modern society an Alpha male not only
> requires physical prowess, but also confidence and attitude. The Beta male
> of modern society usually, only has one of these traits, if any. The Beta
> male tends to be smart, quiet and unconfrontational. If lucky, beta males
> can get a hot chick once in her 30's, after she's tired of fucking the Alpha
> Males, and decides to settle down with a beta male for money and stability.
> Alpha Males get everything, Beta Males get the left overs. It's a little
> thing called "Life".."Pt" <pea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
That's not a definition, that's creative writing.
BTW, modern society doesn't require physical prowess past high school.
Maybe that's where your head is still at...?
You might as well type, "I'm ignorant trailer trash, and it shows."
Save some keyboarding.
Monkey Pi
> Why do the stupidest people always talk the most?
Dude.
You just posted 6 times in 10 minutes.....
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The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll
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Baltimore, MD
Les Cargill
Dude, beta was *so much better* than VHS.
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