agb.com responsibilities :-(
Lynda LeCompte
To try and be as fair as I can, I should explain something.
I have removed an article from agb.com because there was a name association
with one of the political threads that is going on in here. I feared that
the association would appear as an endorsement on political opinion and
encourage an anything goes attitude. While the anything goes stuff can
sometimes be fun, I also believe that the ugly stuff drives people away and
forces others to stay in lurk mode and maybe not benefit in the same way
that many of us have from this group.
While the forum is unmoderated... this is the sticky bit... I *do* feel
responsible for agb.com and any associations that it makes. It seems that
someone has to make decisions about the content of the site and the
impression that it might give. Unfortunately, it seems that the majority of
that responsibility falls on my shoulders. This is not a responsibility
that I have purposely 'bought' as it just kinda came with the territory
when I offered up my web services almost three years ago. As much as there
has pretty much been a free reign on member profiles, quotes, sounds etc.,
I feel there has to be a buck stops here place for more specific content or
association.
I have been accused of censorship. While that is not my position, I am left
wondering what the best position should be.
As any of you who knows me would know... I have a conscience, and this
plays a big part in my decision. I don't want anyone to miss out, feel
unwelcome or that this isn't the right place for them. As a bass player, I
have gained so much from this group and would like to actively encourage a
positive progression for others to receive the same benefits.
Am I making any sense?
Are there any thoughts about ways of handling the bridge between
unmoderated forum and website?
--
PLL'C
Steve, eh?
sound terribly fun.....
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"Lynda LeCompte" <ne...@purplelinny.com> wrote in message
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mh
<ne...@purplelinny.com> wrote:
>Are there any thoughts about ways of handling the bridge between
>unmoderated forum and website?
I think you should go ahead and put the review of Peter's CD back up.
Regardless of his political opinion, his work can stand (or fall) on
its own merits. I don't think that reviewing an obviously apolitical
work by someone with strong political opinions equates to endorsement
of those opinions. When my band gets done with its CD, I'm hoping to
send it to you for review, and I'm hoping you'll do so regardless of
whether you agree with me politically.
Just like I don't think it's right to penalize artists for being
against the war or the President, it's not right to penalize them for
being for the war or the President.
IMHO, it all gets back to respect. We all need to be able to respect
the opinions of those we disagree with, especially when our "opponent"
in the debate shares common interests with us. Pete shares with all of
us a love of bass playing, good songwriting and good production. As
long as your review focuses on those, then there's no reason for
concern on your part.
Saint Avenger
> Are there any thoughts about ways of handling the bridge between
> unmoderated forum and website?
You pay for the page, you do most of the work on the page, so you should be able
to decide what does and does not go on the page.
The page is only an online representation of what goes on here at AGB. You're
not required to put anything on there that you don't feel is an accurate
representation. At the very worst, a simple summary description of the
newsgroup as one where "the occasional political debate can get pretty heated"
would seem to do it justice.
- Avenger
John Shaughnessy
output should be judged on it's own merit.
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"Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." --
George Orwell
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Saint Avenger
And now, from reading other posts and finding out that the issue is PD's cd
review, I don't see any reason why it should be taken down. It's just a review
of someone's music, right?
- Avenger
Brian Running
Pfbthfbthfbthfbthfbth!
I'm perfectly happy to trust your judgment. What the hell -- you've put a
lot of work into the website, go ahead and take care of it as if it's your
own. You share enough of it with us, you have a right to feel some right of
ownership.
And, what's so bad about censorship, anyway? A little judicious censoring
can work wonders. You're not the government, you can censor what you like.
Well, except my posts, of course.
Finally, this ain't the future of all mankind, or a cure for cancer, or even
rocket science that we're dealing with here. It's just discussions about
making music and the gear we use to do it. It's for recreation, it's for
fun. Who cares? If it gets to the point where we take this so seriously
that we have debates over censorship at AGB.com, then God help us all.
Nah, just relax, Linny.
Ian Hayward
Wagner's music and see no incompatibility in those two positions. OTH I can
appreciate Linny's concerns about any form of implied "endorsement".
Linny, I was too late to read the review and am therefore in the dark a bit over the
contentious content. Perhaps you could post it on this "unmoderated" forum.
Regards,
Ian
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Lynrd
<ne...@purplelinny.com> wrote:
hey Linny,
First off...I find your name confusingly similar to mine. Please
change it immediately.
;o>
That said...There is a big difference between usenet and a
website...in usenet, each poster is directly responsible for the
content of his posts. On a webpage, the webmaster (or webmistress)
has responsiblity ultimately for all the content.
While I don't agree with for your concern over hosting a review being
misconstrued for an endorsment of polical viewpoint, I do understand
your concern for the well being and percieved opinion of the
website...it is one that any responsible editor should feel. You
can't duck it if you care about the content of your site.
Therefore, if you feel it is the right course of action to keep the
site as you feel it should be, then stay the course. All editors HAVE
to engage in some form of "Censorship"...even if it is just snipping
the last 3 paragraphs off of a too-long article. Editorial decisoins
never please everybody.
Me? I'd probably not even have thought about the possibility of a
review being confused with an endorsement, but it's not my site.
It's yours.
You could always slug the reviews page with a weasel slug "Opinions of
agb.com participants are not necessarily those of the webmistress or
other participants, or even most people. Make up your own damn mind!"
or summat like that, but if YOU feel the need to change anything on
the site, then do it. Those that don't like it can go start up the
www.purplelinnykickedmeoffhersiteforbeingabutthead.com website.
I'm not saying this because it's PD either. I make no bones that I
respect Peter as a player. But I respect your position as the
editor/webmistress more.
--
Lynrd
"Monkey Pod, Not Myrtle"
Ian Hayward
Wagner's music and see no incompatibility in those two positions. OTH I can
political stance.
Linny, I was too late to read the review and am therefore in the dark a bit over the
contentious content. Perhaps you could post it on this "unmoderated" forum.
anything else playing there, just some very competent musicians.
When were you last compared to Wagner, PD?
Regards,
Ian
"mh" <tired...@undisclosedlocation.com> wrote in message
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Neil.N
of someone's music, right?
Correct, but Devil's Advocate here:
Are you prepared to publish reviews of works from all members?
What defines a member or eligible work?
Do I have the right now to demand a published review because PD has one?
Far away from politics , which is where we are supposed to be, I think your
review was a very nice gesture for a longstanding member of the community.
However it could ring with a bit of favoritism if a mechanism was not put
in place to publish more.
Who has complained about censorship? If it was the recipient of this,
unprecedented, above the call of duty, genuinely nice gesture on your
part.....Throw it in the trash and don't look back.
my 2 cents
NeilN
Jordan
Some like a little sprinkled in, some want heaping helpings of political
newsletters and opinions. No one's opinion trumps anyone elses by its own
merit. I think that since you've done all (or most) of the work, your
opinion is the winning one in this situation. If someone doesn't like it,
they can start their own rival AGB site ala Lord of the Flies. Then they
can go there and eat each other, or hit each other on the head with rocks.
:)
Btw, there is much truth to your opinion that the constant political
debates, while entertaining, certainly drive people away or greatly offend
them. If it is your goal to provide a warm, home-like, non-hostile place
where anyone is welcome to hang out and chat about bass for awhile then I
commend you for making it the way you feel works the best.
3 cheers for LLC!
Jordan
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GENOMEMAN
"Neil.N" <n.num...@nospamrogers.com> wrote in message
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> " I don't see any reason why it should be taken down. It's just a review
> of someone's music, right?
>
> Correct, but Devil's Advocate here:
>
> Are you prepared to publish reviews of works from all members?
>
> What defines a member or eligible work?
>
> Do I have the right now to demand a published review because PD has one?
More to the point: ANYONE who has participated in these political debates
can not have a published review in association with AGB, RIGHT LINNY?
mh
Ayup.
GENOMEMAN
Are you from Maine by any chance?
Ayuh.
Ian Hayward
"GENOMEMAN" <bas...@DNA.com> wrote in message
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Jordan
Jordan
"GENOMEMAN" <bas...@DNA.com> wrote in message
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mh
>
>Are you from Maine by any chance?
>
>Ayuh.
>
LOL. Nope. Texas born and raised.
FRETBUZZ
>
>
Is that followed closely by "nah then, sithee"?? ;-))
Kloka-mo'
>
> Are there any thoughts about ways of handling the bridge between
> unmoderated forum and website?
> --
> PLL'C
Well, I haven't read any of those threads. A few thoughts pop into my
pea bwain.
1. Post the review here instead.
2. Add a polite disclaimer to the review on agb.kom
3. Post a video of you burning the CD.
I'm not very edumacated, but I have figured out for myself that though
the music MAY be good, I have no interest in giving him my money because
of the way he acts. If I can figure it out...
I read the review, but since I haven't read the threads (this time
around), I didn't connect the dots back to it being an endorsement of
any sort. Actually, I was surprised as HELL that you were big enough to
do it. (kudos)
4. If he was being mean to friends, I think it's all right to take that
personally. We are human, and looking after friends is what we do.
(licks big block of salt next to newsreader) Well some of us. I always
loved The Clash for their political music. Though, I agreed with it.
Even if it's not in the music, we all vote in our own little ways, and
we all should be adult enough to realize we might be held accountable
one day. There's not always a "re-do."
ohhh... Meters on the local radio :-)
Think I'll drive over to George Porter's tonight, and talk about that
Ted guy behind Ted's back.
--
O>
/(\)
^^
Lynda LeCompte
different perspectives. Having been to the flicks this afternoon (to watch
Big Fish - which we enjoyed), I have had opportunity to leave it alone for
a while and come back with a fresh view.
Although I didn't intend for anyone to be named (even though it was fairly
obvious), there are some things that I think need to be clarified - I think
I was mostly understood, but some parts are a bit fuzzy.
My reasoning for removing the CD review was not about the review (which I
wrote incidentally...) or specific opinions being stated in here and
agreeing or disagreeing with it. It was about association to pushing these
types of agendas. I did not want it to appear that agb.com supported the
idea of using the forum in such a manner. I liked the disclaimer idea - I
pondered that one earlier today and I think that would work well in the
future. To try and be 'pc' is such a nightmare, so allowing a certain
amount to fly (within reason) and stating that agb.com is not responsible
for any association made, should work. I wouldn't dream of trying to
control what goes on in here, but as other's agree, I think a certain
amount of control over the website is acceptable and probably necessary.
I think some were under the impression that it was the review itself that
was under fire. That wasn't the case - that was just a simple review that
I did for Peter's CD, upon his request. Putting it back up is a moot point
as Peter eventually felt that it wasn't very flattering and prefers for it
to stay down. For those that didn't get chance to see the review, I've
pasted it at the bottom of the post.
As for other reviews being published on agb.com, there are no restrictions
on who can submit one or have one done. There is a link on the reviews
page for sending in reviews that has always been there... however, no one
has ever submitted one. The existing ones are those that I have written
and then Peter was the first to ask for one to be done.
And to follow the point that you were trying to make Peter - had the review
that I took down been associated to anyone else that has been as highly
active on these political threads, I would have taken exactly the same
measures. I now realise that it would be less stressful to just let that
stuff happen and not take on the burden of trying to be pc to protect the
weak of heart. I'm glad that some saw my angle.
I probably haven't covered all points here, but I think I've covered enough
to let this one rest now :-)
--
PLL'C
******REVIEW******
We don't normally review cds here on agb.com, but for this one I made an
exception. Our very own Peter Duncan, a.k.a. (amongst other things...)
'pd', 'fongerboad' and more currently, 'GENOMEMAN', not only plays bass,
but also supplies keyboards and backing vocals on his band's latest cd,
'like, sza, love' - whatever that's supposed to mean! This surreal title
will give you a loose grip on what to expect when you hear the vibes that
will emanate from their shiny disc. Also in echoffision, we have Geb
Zurburg on lead vocals and guitars and Jon Abate on drums and percusssion.
On first impressions, I have to admit to being pleasantly surprised, but
not overwrought with excitement at their sound. Out of the thirteen tracks,
seven gave me distinct feelings of about 1997 with sounds of The Verve,
Radiohead and the Seahorses. Nothing unpleasant at all about that, in fact
very listenable. They still managed to wriggle some originality out of this
familiar sound. This is helped by the smooth and easy to listen to sound of
Geb's vocals. A great voice, but one that might need help from the
instruments to create enough sound diversity to keep the listener
listening. I do believe they have managed to achieve that on this cd.
The track that I was most excited about was In The Distance. After the
first four bars of drum intro where you kind of expect Tina Turner to come
in singing, "Uhhh, uh uh, uh uh uh, uhhh, uh uh" (I can't believe what you
say...), are another eight bars of intro, then I was immediately drawn in
by Peter's driving bass playing. Before you wonder if that will get boring
throughout the whole song, it is quickly broken up by tempered verses
before grabbing you again with that driving beat. I found this track very
reminiscent of the Jam's more energetic titles.
After that great track, you are brought back down to earth with Ideal Sky
which, has an 80's feel about it that didn't really get my mojo working.
The day is quickly saved with Complicated Creatures that kind of takes you
by surprise with its totally different feel of a mellow, rolling sound that
made me think of Sheryl Crow... yes, I said Sheryl Crow! Having got over
that fact, I did enjoy listening to this piece of innocuous gentleness.
Just when I thought I had a handle on the sound of echofission, they hit me
with The Galaxy Needs Work. A shift in a different direction with a little
more energy and completely surreal lyrics that left me wondering if this
was encryption that I wasn't clever (or brave) enough to unravel?! A track
that I knew I would be listening to again.
The last track to get its own mention is Monsooned In Guam. To me, another
Jam sounding vibe which, strangely enough, mentions 'funeral pyre' in the
lyrics. Maybe coincidental - even if it isn't, we still have a number with
its own originality and momentum that builds a very progressive sound. A
catchy number indeed.
Personally, I would have put Monsooned In Guam at the end of the cd. The
four tracks that finished the listening experience left me with that 1997
feeling. That didn't spoil the overall impression as I knew there were at
least four tracks that I wanted to go back and listen to again. I wouldn't
have been disappointed spending $13.99 on this cd from CD Baby.
Overall, a great sound, a good mix, excellent musicianship. Well done
echofission. I see great things in your future!
By Lynda LeCompte ******REVIEW******
Lynda LeCompte
<brun...@XXameritechXX.net> wrote:
<snips da good stuff>
> Nah, just relax, Linny.
I can almost picture you saying that :-)
Tanks Bwi.
--
PLL'C
Lynda LeCompte
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:28:26 -0600, Lynda LeCompte
> <ne...@purplelinny.com> wrote:
>
> hey Linny,
>
> First off...I find your name confusingly similar to mine. Please
> change it immediately.
>
> ;o>
lmao - I remember the first time you said that to me - I recall I was a tad
offended?! Should have known better... I do now ;-)
<again... da good stuff snipped>
Thanks for your words Lynrd. Made me think and smile and that always works
wonders.
I hope that if someone registers
www.purplelinnykickedmeoffhersiteforbeingabutthead.com,
that it won't get content, cus I don't like not being nice :-/
--
PLL'C
GENOMEMAN
> And to follow the point that you were trying to make Peter - had the
review
> that I took down been associated to anyone else that has been as highly
> active on these political threads, I would have taken exactly the same
> measures.
Define "highly active." I admire your skill in leaving this wide open, but I
for one would like to know what you mean by this.
> I probably haven't covered all points here, but I think I've covered
enough
> to let this one rest now :-)
Ok. I asked to to keep the review off the site. You insist on posting it
here.
What is up with that?
Lynda LeCompte
wrote:
> Well, I haven't read any of those threads. A few thoughts pop into my
> pea bwain.
> 1. Post the review here instead.
> 2. Add a polite disclaimer to the review on agb.kom
> 3. Post a video of you burning the CD.
Whoa... apart from the CD burning bit, you've pretty much sussed the road I
was going to take.
/goes off to think of non offensive and maybe mildly amusing disclaimer
> I'm not very edumacated, but I have figured out for myself that though
> the music MAY be good, I have no interest in giving him my money because
> of the way he acts. If I can figure it out...
> I read the review, but since I haven't read the threads (this time
> around), I didn't connect the dots back to it being an endorsement of
> any sort. Actually, I was surprised as HELL that you were big enough to
> do it. (kudos)
Well, I was asked and I'm not one to hold grudges. I did end up feeling
like a bit of a mug - again :-/
> ohhh... Meters on the local radio :-)
Cool! Hey, did you hear that the former bassist was joining a funk band?!
lmao - I'm having de-ja-vu.
> Think I'll drive over to George Porter's tonight, and talk about that
> Ted guy behind Ted's back.
I was doing that the other night - I said to Bud - "That Ted hasn't replied
to my e-mail - it's just not cricket" It could be that he didn't actually
GET my e-mail... that seems to be happening a lot lately!
--
PLL'C
Lynda LeCompte
> Define "highly active."
No - shan't, won't, can't make me - neener neener neener. I refuse to get
dragged into these petty squabbles.
I admire your skill in leaving this wide open,
> but I
> for one would like to know what you mean by this.
See above. What's the matter, run out of steam on the political threads?
Got no one to bicker with? I'm not going to do it anymore Peter.
>> I probably haven't covered all points here, but I think I've covered
> enough
>> to let this one rest now :-)
>
> Ok. I asked to to keep the review off the site. You insist on posting it
> here.
People wanted to read it and suggested I post it here. That's exactly what
I did. They're my words.
> What is up with that?
Nothing what so ever.
Get over it.
--
PLL'C
Jay S
My personal thought on the subject probably doesn't mean a thing, but.....
As a long time AGB member I find myself ignoring certain traits of people
here. I suppose I've built up a tolerance.
Things like "oh that's just PD going off again" or, "that's just Brad
pulling some strings" or "that's just Kristoff getting excited and using too
many exclamation marks" :o)
I don't hate anyone for their personality here. In person it might be a
different story...I generally dislike people anyway.
But.....
If I look at it from an outsiders/visitors point of view ......
If this was my 1st week lurking at AGB, I'd think there were a lot of
assholes around here and really wouldn't want to be associated with them. I
also wouldn't be interested in a website that endorses them.
I know the difference, but would a guest/newbie/visitor??
I still say do what ever makes you feel good Linny. Life's too short to
worry about the little things.
If anyone criticizes you for it, I'll make sure an ass kicking heads their
way. :o)
Jay S
"Lynda LeCompte" <ne...@purplelinny.com> wrote in message
GENOMEMAN
"Jay S" <IREALLYHATES...@telus.notSPAMSUCKS> wrote in message
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> My 1st thought was "do what you feel you have to and make no excuses"
>
> My personal thought on the subject probably doesn't mean a thing, but.....
> As a long time AGB member I find myself ignoring certain traits of people
> here. I suppose I've built up a tolerance.
> Things like "oh that's just PD going off again" or, "that's just Brad
> pulling some strings" or "that's just Kristoff getting excited and using
too
> many exclamation marks" :o)
>
> I don't hate anyone for their personality here. In person it might be a
> different story...I generally dislike people anyway.
>
> But.....
> If I look at it from an outsiders/visitors point of view ......
> If this was my 1st week lurking at AGB, I'd think there were a lot of
> assholes around here and really wouldn't want to be associated with them.
I
> also wouldn't be interested in a website that endorses them.
Does this matter considering AGB website doesn't sell anything?
GENOMEMAN
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:58:54 GMT, GENOMEMAN <bas...@DNA.com> wrote:
>
> > Define "highly active."
>
> No - shan't, won't, can't make me - neener neener neener. I refuse to get
> dragged into these petty squabbles.
>
> I admire your skill in leaving this wide open,
> > but I
> > for one would like to know what you mean by this.
>
> See above. What's the matter, run out of steam on the political threads?
Yeah, like THAT will ever happen! LOL!!
> Got no one to bicker with? I'm not going to do it anymore Peter.
LOL! Just as I thought. It really *is* personal isn't it? I admire your
attempt to couch all this in "We don't want to associate the website with
"inappropriate behavior..." whatever that means, and leaving things open to
whatever you feel is "inappropriate." Thank GOD this is an open message
board where your self appointed power stops. Only power/control freaks play
this tactic of never defining "the rules" so that they can change them when
they see fit.
> >> I probably haven't covered all points here, but I think I've covered
> > enough
> >> to let this one rest now :-)
> >
> > Ok. I asked to to keep the review off the site. You insist on posting it
> > here.
>
> People wanted to read it and suggested I post it here.
ONE person did. LOL!! Meanwhile the MAJORITY of folks disagreed with your
action, even folks that don't like my politics/style or whatever.
> That's exactly what
> I did. They're my words.
Which you put up in an initial review. Then you took it down for
"inappropriate" behavior LOL!! OOOOOOOOOOK. Then instead of grovelling to
you, I suggested that it was a less than flattering review ("fairly crappy"
were my words). Now that you realize I would PREFER it down, you put it back
UP. OMFG!!!!
So, you just have to win don't you? Isn't that what this is all about
"sweet, nice" Linny? I got you pegged babe. I truly believe that you are
"one of those" nice on the outside, but nasty as hell on the inside chicks.
You put yourself out there and assume control in that oh so passive "Im just
trying to help" way, and then use that as a control mechanism when you want
something your way. Dangerous stuff indeed.
Does anyone else see how childish this is? The "review" is now a tool of
manipulation. End of story.
Doesn't matter Linny, this thread will be long gone, and I have already had
several sales from this group for the CD, and more to come as I will post my
link to the website and retail site on every post now.
>
> > What is up with that?
>
> Nothing what so ever.
> Get over it.
Long before you will.
To actually hear the music folks, it is here:
http://www.cababy.com/echofission
and
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2922138
--
The new CD from echofission, available now at:
http://cdbaby.com/echofission
http://www.echofission.com
Brad Johnson
Brad
>Subject: Re: agb.com responsibilities :-(
>From: "GENOMEMAN" bas...@DNA.com
>Date: 1/23/2004 9:49 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <3XlQb.10986$O22.4...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Lynda LeCompte
> LOL! Just as I thought. It really *is* personal isn't it?
Not for me, but it most certainly is looking like it is for you.
Be logical... you're getting delusional. If I wanted to get personal, I
wouldn't have agreed to have done the review in the first place and I
wouldn't have written something that ultimately gave the cd a thumbs up,
posted a link on here to it... etc. Peter - you are tarring me with the
same twisted brush as yourself.
Reposting the review on here was a way of letting people read it and not
fall into the area that I was concerned about in the first place, i.e. the
website and it's associations. That's been cleared up now. I don't need to
further clarify what my concerns were as they have been clearly picked up
by others. I don't have to justify my actions. It appears you are still
smarting that the review was pulled in the first place - and let's face it -
your first reaction when I pm'd you and politely told you what I had done
and why, was to ask me to rethink and to NOT pull the review. Think, Peter,
think - if I wanted to get personal, I would have made the whole thing more
public. The reason I eventually went public with my concern about the best
way to deal with this was because I wanted to do the right thing in the
future and was getting no where trying trying to go over it with you
offline. And, on here, I tried to keep it anonymous. Yeh right, I'm really
gunning for you aren't I!? /rollseyes
Whatever I do or say you will have something to throw at me to make me out
to be someone who has a personal vendetta against you and wants to win
something. WHAT IS THERE TO WIN?!
At the end of the day, it is just unfortunate that it was an article
related to YOU that ended up being the catalyst. I can't prove otherwise
and don't feel I have to further justify anything. And I can't believe I'm
still typing. Time out.
--
PLL'C
Lynda LeCompte
> Somebody give him a hug. Please.
/sighs
/shakes head
Ya know, I have tried so hard with this guy.
Impossible to get through.
Sad really.
--
PLL'C
GENOMEMAN
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:49:19 GMT, GENOMEMAN <bas...@DNA.com> wrote:
>
> > LOL! Just as I thought. It really *is* personal isn't it?
>
> Not for me, but it most certainly is looking like it is for you.
>
> Be logical... you're getting delusional.
Good Girl! This follows the familiar track. Someone calls your game, and
now the psycho analysis comes out (I remember this was a tactic a few years
back also). Not very original, but I commend you.
If I wanted to get personal, I
> wouldn't have agreed to have done the review in the first place and I
> wouldn't have written something that ultimately gave the cd a thumbs up,
> posted a link on here to it
Not necessarily. As I said, you do things to create power for yourself.
... etc. Peter - you are tarring me with the
> same twisted brush as yourself.
Names, names, names.
>
> Reposting the review on here was a way of letting people read it
Even though I asked for it to be left down. Interesting. Why would you want
to do that? I saw that ONE person requested that.
and not
> fall into the area that I was concerned about in the first place, i.e. the
> website and it's associations. That's been cleared up now. I don't need to
> further clarify what my concerns were as they have been clearly picked up
> by others.
Yet you continue...
I don't have to justify my actions. It appears you are still
> smarting that the review was pulled in the first place - and let's face
it -
> your first reaction when I pm'd you and politely told you what I had done
> and why, was to ask me to rethink and to NOT pull the review.
Only b/c it was a hurtful that you would do such a thing, not b/c the review
was stellar and would somehow boost CD sales. Sorry!
Think, Peter,
> think - if I wanted to get personal, I would have made the whole thing
more
> public.
Wow! MORE public? How would you do that exactly?
The reason I eventually went public with my concern about the best
> way to deal with this was because I wanted to do the right thing in the
> future and was getting no where trying trying to go over it with you
> offline.
So, many said that politics and reviews are seperate issues. Are you
accepting of that now? Isn't this what I was trying to explain to you
offline?
And, on here, I tried to keep it anonymous. Yeh right, I'm really
> gunning for you aren't I!? /rollseyes
Yes, you tried SO hard didn't you? Oh, so hard! We must all take pity on
your efforts.
>
> Whatever I do or say you will have something to throw at me to make me out
> to be someone who has a personal vendetta against you and wants to win
> something. WHAT IS THERE TO WIN?!
Only you know the answer to that, not me.
>
> At the end of the day, it is just unfortunate that it was an article
> related to YOU that ended up being the catalyst. I can't prove otherwise
> and don't feel I have to further justify anything. And I can't believe I'm
> still typing. Time out.
You say that alot. Did you ever notice that?
--
The new CD from echofission, available now at:
http://cdbaby.com/echofission
http://www.echofission.com
> --
> PLL'C
Lynda LeCompte
<IREALLYHATES...@telus.notSPAMSUCKS> wrote:
> My 1st thought was "do what you feel you have to and make no excuses"
:-) Yeh, easier said than done though.
> My personal thought on the subject probably doesn't mean a thing,
> but.....
> As a long time AGB member I find myself ignoring certain traits of people
> here. I suppose I've built up a tolerance.
> Things like "oh that's just PD going off again" or, "that's just Brad
> pulling some strings" or "that's just Kristoff getting excited and using
> too
> many exclamation marks" :o)
Kristoff!!!? Exclamation marks?!!! ;-)
Bless his fuzzy head.
> I don't hate anyone for their personality here. In person it might be a
> different story...I generally dislike people anyway.
oh right...
> But.....
> If I look at it from an outsiders/visitors point of view ......
<snipperoo>
Thanks Jay - my perspective exactly.
Not that it matters anymore cus I'm past caring. lol!
Life's too short.
Nuff said, time for bed!
--
PLL'C
Kloka-mo'
>
> Does this matter considering AGB website doesn't sell anything?
>
http://www.cafeshops.com/altguitarbass
GENOMEMAN
Oh. Sho shaad.
As I said. I am over it before you apparently are. Don't stay up tonight
worrying about it. You have now posted the review, against my wishes, and
what is done is done.
GENOMEMAN
Hmmmmmmmmmmm......
"Kloka-mo'" <robis...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4011F04E...@hotmail.com...
Kloka-mo'
I love that line: "I am over it before you apparently are." Reminds me
of when I was a kid. :-)
This is REALLY ironic: "You have now posted the review, against my
wishes, and
what is done is done." From someone who enjoys posting inflammatory
bits.
Kloka-mo'
>
>
> Does anyone else see how childish this is? The "review" is now a tool of
> manipulation. End of story.
Yes, but you're the Tool.
>
> Doesn't matter Linny, this thread will be long gone, and I have already had
> several sales from this group for the CD, and more to come as I will post my
> link to the website and retail site on every post now.
Like I said many months ago. You were only being nice because you are
coming out with a CD.
Face it PD, you can dish it, but you can't take it. Too bad pudgy.
Here, let me demonstrate how it works: You flame me, and I don't
respond. Yea, your words will be TEARING at my lost soul. What a
little BIOTCH you are. Lol.
Kloka-mo'
>
> Who gets the proceeds?
>
> Hmmmmmmmmmmm......
>
The one who owns it, and does all the work dipshit. The one who pays
the bills. Lol.
Neil.N
> what is done is done.
So let me get this straight, you asked for a review, and now that you don't
approve of it, you want it to be buried?
Is that how you want the press to work in your world ? Oooops, I forgot.
This all started because of your political beliefs..... How absentminded of
me.
NeilN
Dude
>approve of it, you want it to be buried?
LOL...typical, very typical. I like your new CD Peter but I just got me a new
coaster for my Beck's!
Brad Johnson
actual reading... wear a cup, pete).
"Profits go towards the running costs of our website".
Duh.
Brad
>Subject: Re: agb.com responsibilities :-(
>From: "GENOMEMAN" bas...@DNA.com
>Date: 1/23/2004 11:37 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <eEmQb.11224$O22.5...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Brad Johnson
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Therapists+New+Jersey
Hope you feel better someday, you magnificent bastard.
Your pal,
Brad
>Subject: Re: agb.com responsibilities :-(
>From: "GENOMEMAN" bas...@DNA.com
>Date: 1/23/2004 11:26 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <humQb.11165$O22.5...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Brad Johnson
guess he wanted glowing.
Linny obviously didn't listen to it with headphones, as was probably directed
on the label ;^)
Whenever I return to the good old AGB I fully expect to hear about him in a
clock tower with a high powered rifle.
Where did kindler, gentler pd go... when did he leave?
Brad
>Subject: Re: agb.com responsibilities :-(
>From: "Neil.N" n.num...@nospamrogers.com
>Date: 1/24/2004 12:21 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <LhnQb.89328$lGr....@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
Gary Rosen
You make complete sense. I *strongly* encourage you to remove all
political, non-bass related threads from agb.com. It is not
"censorship". You are not a government with the power to punish
people for their speech. And if any dimwit is really, really interested
in reading some political rant on a music newsgroup, they can
go to Usenet. But I hope to God they don't post and add to
the waste of bandwidth.
- Gary Rosen
PS - I will admit that I am being a little hypcritical, I have sometimes
succumbed to temptation and responded to political threads myself.
But I try not to.
Gary Rosen
"GENOMEMAN" <bas...@DNA.com> wrote in message
news:OblQb.10329$O22.4...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
It's called "The FIrst Amendment". She has the right to post it, or not
post it,
here and on the web site.
- Gary Rosen
Gary Rosen
"GENOMEMAN" <bas...@DNA.com> wrote in message
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>
> news:opr19dot...@news.cis.dfn.de...
>
> > And to follow the point that you were trying to make Peter - had the
> review
> > that I took down been associated to anyone else that has been as highly
> > active on these political threads, I would have taken exactly the same
> > measures.
>
> Define "highly active." I admire your skill in leaving this wide open, but
I
> for one would like to know what you mean by this.
I would define "highly active" as the person who, far more than any other,
instigates and extends political, non-bass related threads. For example,
the recent "OT Quiz: Who said the following?"
- Gary Rosen
Gary Rosen
"GENOMEMAN" <bas...@DNA.com> wrote in message
So sue her.
- Gary Rosen
Gary Rosen
"Jay S" <IREALLYHATES...@telus.notSPAMSUCKS> wrote in message
news:EulQb.4153
> But.....
> If I look at it from an outsiders/visitors point of view ......
> If this was my 1st week lurking at AGB, I'd think there were a lot of
> assholes around here and really wouldn't want to be associated with them.
I
> also wouldn't be interested in a website that endorses them.
If I were an outsider, I'd think there was only one asshole around here.
- Gary Rosen
Brad Johnson
http://www.madville.com/link.php?id=62208
Brad
Dude
Anna
You've got my support Linny. It's your site and I know it must be hard
to manage - I think you've done a great job and I think that whatever
goes up or not is your decision. Anybody disagreeing should feel free to
start up their own website and link to it in their posts.
I trust you to make the right decisions and back you 100%. Thanks for
putting the work in :-)
/Anna
--
iChat/AOL/ICQ: annabassand (AOL/AIM handle)
Zev Weiss
PM, Lynda LeCompte at ne...@purplelinny.com made this strange noise:
<respectful snip>
Two words:
Hurrah for Linny!
-Zev
http://www.wayeri.com
Remove the obvious to reply.
Zev Weiss
2004-01-24 01:57 AM, Zev Weiss at zevSCHPA...@silcom.com made this
strange noise:
> In article opr19h1b...@news.cis.dfn.de, in the days of 2004-01-23 09:13
> PM, Lynda LeCompte at ne...@purplelinny.com made this strange noise:
>
> <respectful snip>
>
> Two words:
>
> Hurrah for Linny!
>
[P.S.]
And can I get an "Amen"?!
OscartheGrouch
"Zev Weiss" <zevSCHPA...@silcom.com> wrote in message
news:BC3781D1.2C3CA%zevSCHPA...@silcom.com...
Amen! (and that's 3 words)
Chris Berry
We're all a bit grown up to groan about mixing politics and music.
We do a pretty good job of keeping the two separate on the NG (ever seen
alt.guitar.amps?) so keeping things separate I think is the way to go...
Except for one thing... I've got a lot of respect for this NG and Linny in
particular for the website among other things so if my advice weren't
asked - I'd be perfectly happy to support whatever Linny decides - that's
called trust and in Linny we trust...
As far as any complaints go - just put it in the disclaimer section
somewhere that to have something changed, support must be obtained on the NG
for grey issues - I think you'll find that we'll not want to change anything
that you've done without good cause... bloody good cause - I mean that's
work!
SO... Linny, just go ahead and do what you feel's right... if you have
doubts there's probably good cause for them - if you're in a situation
similar to this, just do what you think is the right thing in good faith in
the spirit of the group - no-one can ask for more - and if changes are
necessary I'm sure you'll be the first to know.
Hope that helps...
cb
Steve, eh?
Kind of like applying that Harvard education to freeing murderers.
If he was on "your team" he'd certianly get the job done. Unfortunately,
he's on his own team.
Lonely, I'm sure.
--
Steve, eh?
O< "Pthbt!"
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GENOMEMAN
Names, names, names.
So, she does a website, sells merchandise, and benefits on behalf of an
entity that she had nothing to do with setting up (this newsgroup).
If you are ok with that, I understand why we don't get along.
Run along now.
GENOMEMAN
"Neil.N" <n.num...@nospamrogers.com> wrote in message
news:LhnQb.89328$lGr....@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> You have now posted the review, against my wishes, and
> > what is done is done.
>
>
> So let me get this straight, you asked for a review, and now that you
don't
> approve of it, you want it to be buried?
Almost. I was "ok" with the review. It isn't TERRIBLE, it just won't help
with CD sales. SHE decided to pull it. I said, "Fine, it wasn't a great
review anyway, leave it down..." B/c of THAT she has put it back up.
Control, control, control.
GENOMEMAN
"Dude" <vintg...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040124002722...@mb-m29.aol.com...
What does that mean?
>
GENOMEMAN
"Gary Rosen" <garym...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_UoQb.136556$xy6.582306@attbi_s02...
>
> You make complete sense. I *strongly* encourage you to remove all
> political, non-bass related threads from agb.com.
There are no "threads" on agb.com. Linny has no control over the newsgroup.
GENOMEMAN
Yep she does. But,
When I was originally unhappy with her decision to take the review down, she
wanted to leave it down.
When I was then comfortable with the fact that it wasn't that great of a
review to begin with, and to go ahead and jus tleave it be, she puts it back
up.
Control, control, control.
>
> - Gary Rosen
>
>
GENOMEMAN
How about the "Bush sucks and won't be elected thread.."
Did you not see that one? LOL!!
Selective, selective, selective.
>
> - Gary Rosen
>
>
GENOMEMAN
Yes, those that jump in late in the game and start namecalling. You only
have to look in the mirror, Gary.
GENOMEMAN
"Steve, eh?" <XXlehman...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:h1uQb.95330$lGr....@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> Maybe one day, someone will actually have some sort of use for pd.
>
> Kind of like applying that Harvard education to freeing murderers.
>
> If he was on "your team" he'd certianly get the job done. Unfortunately,
> he's on his own team.
>
> Lonely, I'm sure.
>
> --
> Steve, eh?
>
That's deep man. I can see how much you intended this to have maximum impact
to hurt another human being, and I recognize this post as your OWN cry out
for help.
Steve, eh?
--
Steve, eh?
O< "Pthbt!"
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"GENOMEMAN" <bas...@DNA.com> wrote in message
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Lynrd
A coaster is a small, flat object, usually but not always round, that
one places under a drink cup or bottle to prevent the finish of the
table it is sitting on from being marred by the moisture from the
drink. The moisture comes from either spills or just condensation
from a temperature difference between the drink and the ambient room
temperature.
The implication is that Dude has found the shape of your CD to be
adequate for this purpose.
HTH.
--
Lynrd
"Monkey Pod, Not Myrtle"
Brian Running
Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah!!! I sure as hell do!
This is the funniest goddam thing you ever posted! You're killing me!
Brian Running
> what is done is done.
Oh, fer chrissakes, this is just too much. You post all over the group that
your CD is now ready... no, wait! We had to go through several weeks of
"How do you like this sticker I made for my band", and "how do you like this
album cover I made for my band." Then, the new CD is ready, please go buy
it at CDBaby! The CD is advertised to the entire world, you're inviting
people to listen to it by putting up little clips, you're hanging your music
out there for the whole goddam world to listen to -- listen up, Pete -- not
everybody in the whole goddam world is going to like it! There are going to
be bad reviews, pal. And the reviewers aren't going to call you up and ask
permission to publish their bad reviews!
Linny's wasn't a bad review, in the first place, but even if it were, she
can do whatever she damn well pleases with it. If I had written a negative
review of it, and you asked me to retract my review, I'd tell you to take a
hike, and come up with some better material next time. That's the way it
works.
And, what's with this "OMFG" bit? What are you, an early '80s valley girl?
Brian Running
a
> new
> > coaster for my Beck's!
>
> What does that mean?
Among other, obvious meanings, it also means I've changed my mind about
buying it.
Ted Partin
>Ted guy behind Ted's back.
Nice... Tell him I said that he needs to gt a new bass. his is all beat up
and stuff......
_
' ): Ted Partin
/ http://members.aol.com/dblbassted
krhine
Thank you for the hard and thankless job you do. I appreciate the process
you have gone through , both on the website and in handling this difficult
matter in this thread. You will never please everyone, and that is OK.
Continuing to run a quality website will always be the "last word" and may
your core values of who you are keep you from the nonsense.
Steve, eh?
--
Steve, eh?
O< "Don't like it? DON'T READ IT!"
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"krhine" <krh...@nothing.net> wrote in message
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Tom Comber
20040124014923...@mb-m21.aol.com, "Brad Johnson"
<brad...@aol.com> spake thusly:
> That's pretty much how much sense it makes. It was a good review overall but I
> guess he wanted glowing.
>
> Linny obviously didn't listen to it with headphones, as was probably directed
> on the label ;^)
>
> Whenever I return to the good old AGB I fully expect to hear about him in a
> clock tower with a high powered rifle.
I have to say, he was being rather civil when I poked in last week. Now
this. Amazing how quickly things turn back to "normal."
>
> Where did kindler, gentler pd go... when did he leave?
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>> Subject: Re: agb.com responsibilities :-(
>> From: "Neil.N" n.num...@nospamrogers.com
>> Date: 1/24/2004 12:21 AM Eastern Standard Time
>> Message-id: <LhnQb.89328$lGr....@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
>>
>> You have now posted the review, against my wishes, and
>>> what is done is done.
>>
>>
>> So let me get this straight, you asked for a review, and now that you don't
>> approve of it, you want it to be buried?
>>
>> Is that how you want the press to work in your world ? Oooops, I forgot.
>> This all started because of your political beliefs..... How absentminded of
>> me.
>>
>> NeilN
>>
>>
>
GENOMEMAN
"Tom Comber" <t...@bigbaldguy.com> wrote in message
news:BC37ED17.668C%t...@bigbaldguy.com...
> On 1/23/04 11:49 PM, in article
> 20040124014923...@mb-m21.aol.com, "Brad Johnson"
> <brad...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>
> > That's pretty much how much sense it makes. It was a good review overall
but I
> > guess he wanted glowing.
> >
> > Linny obviously didn't listen to it with headphones, as was probably
directed
> > on the label ;^)
> >
> > Whenever I return to the good old AGB I fully expect to hear about him
in a
> > clock tower with a high powered rifle.
>
> I have to say, he was being rather civil when I poked in last week. Now
> this. Amazing how quickly things turn back to "normal."
I'm sorry, I don't see any "reversion." I have kept things at LEAST as civil
as most of the regulars here, and more often. MORE civil.
Saint Avenger
> I hadn't seen it that way.... thanks for pointing that out.
Don't worry Steve, Canada loves you.
- Avenger
Saint Avenger
What newsreader are you using? I don't think you have to hit the CTRL key so
many times before you send a post.
- Avenger
Saint Avenger
It seems fairly obvious that that thread was a Troll with a capital T, directed
at none other than...
- Avenger
PS: It sure worked, too.
Saint Avenger
Mirror (F)lame. -1 pt.
- Avenger
Steve, eh?
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Steve, eh?
O< "Don't like it? DON'T READ IT!"
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"Saint Avenger" <av...@agff.ca> wrote in message
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Lynda LeCompte
Huh! Thanks for those words. That actually stopped me in my tracks and
saved y'all from a long blithering response that started as a thank you to
Anna!
Yep, I'll never please everyone, but I'll give it my best shot - it's an
illness ;-)
Just want to add - as much as I appreciate and am humbled by the thanks and
support, I don't do it for glory or power. There does have to be a certain
amount of control on the site - obviously - and it's not something I
savour... as anyone who has been approached by me for a feature or
something like that will know.
As the credits page will show...
http://altguitarbass.com/contacts.asp
... there are other spokes in the wheel. These folks have had time
contraints and commitments that have meant they have not been able to be as
active as they may like. When that happens, I use my sticky tape to hold it
all together. More recently, Sam revamped the look of the site and now he
is upto his eyeballs with stuff - that's the way it goes.
Uh-oh, this is turning into a long blither...
Regarding the merchandise, the profits have barely covered the domain name
and hosting - but that's okay - it's not a business, it's some fun.
Fun, fun, fun.
;-)
--
PLL'C
Tom Comber
5GxQb.11964$O22.7...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "GENOMEMAN"
<bas...@DNA.com> spake thusly:
And I said as much. But, once again, you are at the center of controversy.
Why do you think that is?
Gary Rosen
"GENOMEMAN" <bas...@DNA.com> wrote in message news:gduQb.11567
> When I was originally unhappy with her decision to take the review down,
she
> wanted to leave it down.
>
> When I was then comfortable with the fact that it wasn't that great of a
> review to begin with, and to go ahead and jus tleave it be, she puts it
back
> up.
>
> Control, control, control.
PD's definition of control: anyone who doesn't do exactly what PD wants.
- Gary Rosen
Gary Rosen
"GENOMEMAN" <bas...@DNA.com> wrote in message
Care to put it up for a vote? I'll take my chances.
- Gary Rosen
Brad Johnson
Oh, that's right.
Get a clue, Pete. Do you think the website requires no cost or effort?
Brad
>Subject: Re: agb.com responsibilities :-(
>From: "GENOMEMAN" bas...@DNA.com
>Date: 1/24/2004 7:09 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <l8uQb.11561$O22.6...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>
>
>"Kloka-mo'" <robis...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4011F906...@hotmail.com...
>> GENOMEMAN wrote:
>> >
>> > Who gets the proceeds?
>> >
>> > Hmmmmmmmmmmm......
>> >
>>
>> The one who owns it, and does all the work dipshit. The one who pays
>> the bills. Lol.
>
>Names, names, names.
>
>So, she does a website, sells merchandise, and benefits on behalf of an
>entity that she had nothing to do with setting up (this newsgroup).
>
>If you are ok with that, I understand why we don't get along.
>
>Run along now.
Brad Johnson
Careful, Gary... no sudden moves.
Brad
>Subject: Re: agb.com responsibilities :-(
>From: "GENOMEMAN" bas...@DNA.com
>Date: 1/24/2004 7:16 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <SeuQb.11570$O22.6...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Brad Johnson
Brad
>Subject: Re: agb.com responsibilities :-(
>From: Tom Comber t...@bigbaldguy.com
>Date: 1/24/2004 12:36 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <BC38094F.66A2%t...@bigbaldguy.com>
John Shaughnessy
Even though he is a "Defender of America", he doesn't object to having his
review being censored, because he wanted it taken down anyway - simply
because the review wasn't flattering enough?
Hmm...
http://www.mental-health-today.com/narcissistic/dsm.htm
Narcissistic DSM IV Criteria
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for
admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in
a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without
commensurate achievements)
(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance,
beauty, or ideal love
(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be
understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people
(or institutions)
(4) requires excessive admiration
(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of
especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her
expectations
(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to
achieve his or her own ends
(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings
and needs of others
(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him
or her
(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
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Dude
She has given so unselfishly of her time and efforts to turn this usenet group
into a family...more than anyone else I know around here.
We built her a bass as a family and she paid us back with a wonderful website.
That take effort folks...so does writing an honest review (very good by the way
Linny!).
Peter...sorry about the "coaster" remark...really am and it's not being used as
such ok? I like it...very much!
We need to keep this groups as a loving, supportive spot. I know at times, I
have been the very worst example of this...but...you people seem to allow me
this indescretion for the most part and I appreciate that...very much.
This place is the one place I don't have to worry about how I present myself.
Warts and all...Let's keep it that way!
Linny...you rock and so does Bud's shop...and Rob's boat etc...!
Steve "Dude" Barr
http://www.schoolofbass.com
http://www.TheDudePit.com
Dude
GENOMEMAN
"John Shaughnessy" <johngoogle...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:XJLQb.14092$YG.6...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> So, let me get this straight:
>
> Even though he is a "Defender of America", he doesn't object to having
his
> review being censored, because he wanted it taken down anyway - simply
> because the review wasn't flattering enough?
>
Wrong again...not too surprising:
Here it is, but I know you will just spin it again.
1. PL sent me an email asking "where is the CD?" Did you sent it to our
other address? etc...obviously, she wanted to review the CD. Most reviewers
couldn't care less if you sent it or not, and it is up to the SENDER to
follow up. I originally wasn't going to even send her the CD, but I did it
anyway, at her request.
PL had sent me an email about a month later, mentioning that she would be
"getting to it" I asked how much longer and she said, "how long is a piece
of string?" See that control thing again?
Review is done (1+ months after getting the CD)
I know this pattern. Maybe you don't see it, but I see it clearly.
2. Review link is sent to me before it is posted up. I agree that it is a
good review. What was I to do, "review her review?" I say, go ahead and post
it.
3. Political discussions occur
4. Review comes down (with no "warning" etc) It just came down.
5. I asked to leave it up b/c I didn't agree with the principle of removing
the review due to other discussions I was having, (to which my tone, or,
behavior, JS has been 2,000% more mature than yours, and just about every
other person who has jumped into this, but that is another story.
6. She insists on leaving it down
7. I say, "Fine, it really is a mediocre "fairly crappy" review anyway, so
leave it down, I am fine with that decision. I didn't see it either helping
or hurting CD sales, but I have to say that noone reading that review would
be compelled to purchase our CD. So I decided it wasn't that big of a deal
to have it down.
8. She then posts it on AGB.
Now: If she posts it on AGB, then why did she take it down to begin with?
Obviously, she has no problem "associating" her review/words with
"inappropriate behavior," whatever that means. All I see is just an attempt
to piss me off. I am not REALLY pissed off that people saw the review. Like
I said, it won't help or hurt CD sales if someone were to come upon that.
The BIG DEAL is someone is jerking my chain b/c they have control issues.
So, I will say again, and you will of course not get the point. This is all
about control, and "winning" not "free speech" or "it is my review and I
will do with it what I want." That is total crap, as she sent me a PREVIEW
asking for my feedback. If the free speech thing was such an issue, why send
a preview, asking for input, permission, etc? If she wanted my comments
about the review then, and I had said "I don't like the review, can you not
post that?" She wouldn't have at that point. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Things
happened, I told her to leave it down, and up it goes on the newsgroup.
I don't know why I am even wasting my time. You aren't going to see it my
way, but perhaps some other person will.
Whatever.
GENOMEMAN
If the politics thing were such an issue, why not at least issue me a
warning?
"Peter, I realize you are into the politics thing, but I really don't want
that stuff associated with your review, and if you keep going, I will be
forced to take it down..."
That would have worked.
But down it went, I say, fine leave it down, and up again it goes on this
n.g.
I just find that strange.
Maybe she had good intentions, but I just see it as a control "I will get my
way and win" thing.
"Dude" <vintg...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040125044704...@mb-m29.aol.com...
Brian Running
used as
> such ok? I like it...very much!
This is hard to keep up with. Okay, if Dude is not using his as a coaster,
then I suppose I have to go back to my plan to buy it, too. All I'm trying
to do is stay off of Harry Brown's shit list.
GENOMEMAN
"Brian Running" <brun...@tds.net> wrote in message
news:4013d965$1...@newspeer2.tds.net...
As long as you buy it I don't care WHAT you do with it!
;-)
Cyberbass5
>Date: 1/23/2004 11:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <4011F8AF...@hotmail.com>
>
>Face it PD, you can dish it, but you can't take it. Too bad pudgy.
>Here, let me demonstrate how it works: You flame me, and I don't
>respond. Yea, your words will be TEARING at my lost soul. What a
>little BIOTCH you are. Lol.
What was that about "Reminds me
of when I was a kid. :-)"
Drinking again?
Brad Johnson
Where can I pick up a copy of the cd?
Brad
>Subject: Re: agb.com responsibilities :-(
>From: cyber...@aol.com (Cyberbass5)
>Date: 1/25/2004 9:58 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040125105805...@mb-m19.aol.com>
John Shaughnessy
If the DSM-IV fits....
Dude
>then I suppose I have to go back to my plan to buy it, too.
Do I like the CD? Yes.
Would I recommend someone buy it? Yes.
Do I like all the OT political therads? No.
Are the two related? Not in my book.
Brad Johnson
Brad
>Subject: Re: agb.com responsibilities :-(
>From: "John Shaughnessy" johngoogle...@carolina.rr.com
>Date: 1/25/2004 11:46 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <OhTQb.13768$5K1.8...@twister.southeast.rr.com>