OT Chinese
Pt
My bass, bass amp, guitars, CD player, DVD recorder, computer monitor,
even my underware says "made in China".
It was not really my choice to buy made in China stuff.
It's shoved down our throats everywhere we go.
They should change the name of Walmart to Chinamart, China shack,
Chinese Valu hardware stores.
Next thing you know China Centers (guirat center) will be popping up.
Pt......Pang Tao
The Bishop
That's where I got you beat. My bass was made in KOREA!
So THERE!
Fletch
I have been trying to avoid buying products manufactured in China for
various reasons. It is not easy. But it is not impossible.
I just have to pay more. And I don't mind that. The build quality is
often superior to Chinese products in the things I buy, like studio
gear. And I'm sure it will last a far sight longer, too.
--Fletch
JoeSpareBedroom
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> It's shoved down our throats everywhere we go.
> Pt......Pang Tao
>
Please don't get upset, because I mean this in a good way, and I enjoy your
contributions in other discussions, but::
You're full of shit, and here's why: Joe's law of intent. Anything that's
easy to avoid, but is not avoided, is intentional. I think laws regarding
negligence are based on similar thinking, but Brian can correct me if I'm
wrong about the similarity.
Obviously, we can't check to see if a "Made in America" amp has capacitors
from China in it, but we can certainly avoid products with "Made in China"
on them.
Brian Running
> easy to avoid, but is not avoided, is intentional. I think laws regarding
> negligence are based on similar thinking, but Brian can correct me if I'm
> wrong about the similarity.
If it mattered, I'd correct you. But I don't think your really care,
anyway!
Here's what I want to know -- what's the deal with the weird cross-posts
that popped up in here recently? Did you previously post here under the
name Doug Kanter?
JoeSpareBedroom
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>> You're full of shit, and here's why: Joe's law of intent. Anything
>> that's easy to avoid, but is not avoided, is intentional. I think laws
>> regarding negligence are based on similar thinking, but Brian can correct
>> me if I'm wrong about the similarity.
>
> If it mattered, I'd correct you. But I don't think your really care,
> anyway!
Actually, I'm interested. That doesn't mean my law of intent will change,
though, especially since it's true with regard to certain crimes, like
letting one's dog roam the neighborhood and claiming it "accidentally" got
out of the yard (18 times in two weeks).
>
> Here's what I want to know -- what's the deal with the weird cross-posts
> that popped up in here recently? Did you previously post here under the
> name Doug Kanter?
There's a thing in another newsgroup who gets upset when I question its use
of the words "socialized medicine", "socialism" and "communism". It's been
instructed to do so by its mother ship, Hush Bimbo, as well as various
presidential candidates who toss these words around to rile up the great
unwashed. After a few beatings, it spoofs my name, often using hijacked
email accounts from other peoples' legitimate domains. So yes, you will
probably see more of those. It finds out where I post, and follows me.
js
'80's and 90's bitching about "overpaid union workers" and inflation - and
extolling the virtues of globalization, "Reaganomics", deregulation,
outsourcing, and the "service economy"...
...Are the same Amuricans bitching because Wal Mart miniature American flags
are made in China instead of the good ol' US of A.
LOL! Can't have it both ways, kids.
It is a very typical American paradox though.
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Al
> even my underware says "made in China".
We have many fine underware. We also sell underwear for english speaking
freind-peoples.
> It's shoved down our throats everywhere we go.
We no recomend shoving underware in thoroat, but if it happen everywhere,
join the trend and consume you're own underwares friend.
We also sell handabg, lpatop, MP3, justin timberlake, givson gitar, genu-in
reploduction chinese goat soap.
My friend in jesus
...
;-)
JoeSpareBedroom
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:-)
Maybe help you this:
www.engrish.com
Derek Tearne
>
> I have been trying to avoid buying products manufactured in China for
> various reasons. It is not easy. But it is not impossible.
A Year Without "Made in China": One Family's True Life Adventure in the
Global Economy by Sara Bongiorni
She started her own experiement before most people had even noticed the
ubiquity of Chinese products, and certainly before products started
being recalled for containing chemicals long banned in the west.
> I just have to pay more. And I don't mind that. The build quality is
> often superior to Chinese products in the things I buy, like studio
> gear. And I'm sure it will last a far sight longer, too.
The thing is, there are Chinese products at the same kind of price
points as the 'better' stuff your buying that are similar in quality -
no one can tell about longevity yet of course.
Not everything coming out of china is cheap, poor quality, and likely to
self-destruct at a moments notice. The chinese are building things to
match the quality and price point level set by the companies
commissioning them to build them. So if you buy a 'designed in [insert
ones own western nation here] - made in china' goods that are cheap and
fall apart, the [ones own western nation] based company is at least
partly, perhaps largely, to blame for that.
In a few decades time, when the exploited workers in China have come to
the point that they can demand workers rights and a reasonable pay
level, goods made in china will have a cost similar to those currently
(or perhaps recently) manufactured in the west.
Of course, by then we'll have run out of oil and no one will be employed
building anything in the USA or Europe anymore. But the stuff we can
buy on our unemployment benefits while we wait for Chinese workers
emancipation will be cheap.
--- Derek
--
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Many Hands - Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand
http://www.manyhands.co.nz/
jeffb
America there'd still be a labor surplus in China. Think about that next
time something Made In China seems like a good deal.
jeffb
> Not everything coming out of china is cheap, poor quality, and likely to
> self-destruct at a moments notice.
And THAT should be more cause for concern that the market flooded with
cheap goods. The only thing the "first world" has going for it any more
is quality. We certainly can't compete with the low cost of labor
elsewhere.
John Doe
good deal.>>
Theres a lot of delusional thinking in this NG....China WILL ruin our
economies ....soon.
JoeSpareBedroom
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What bugs me is that nobody asked us what we'd be willing to pay for goods
that are no longer made here. Example: Dress shirts from Lands End. I last
bought them in 1991, when my job required shirt & tie. If I recall, the ones
I bought were about $25.00, and were made here. Now, they're made overseas
(but not in China). I didn't put on a dress shirt to change the oil in my
car, nor did I wear them when cooking, or doing anything else that mightend
up ruining them. So, if they were still made here and sold for $35.00 now,
I'd pay that price. But, nobody asked me. Companies assume we won't pay
certain prices.
js
to have the balls to enact radically protectionist trade and labor policies
(like most other developed countries in the world have), and have a Marshall
Plan for rebuilding our manufacturing infrastructure.
Don't see either happening anytime soon.
"John Doe" <slam...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Derek Tearne
The thing is, economically, it no longer makes sense to manufacture
anything in the west. And it won't make sense again until the oil runs
out (which it will at a faster than expected rate due to the rise of
China and India as manufacturing economies).
As I tried to point out in my other post there are two issues here.
Cheap goods that look like they should last as long as the stuff we
bought in 1970 that is only just wearing out but which will be lucky to
last until lunchtime before breaking.
Cheap manufacturing in China due to different labour laws,
infrastructure costs, safety (in the workplace, of the final product)
laws, energy costs and base cost of living.
Stuff manufactured or grown in China will be more cost effective, even
with freight and packaging costs, until there is pay, regulatory and
compliance cost parity. It took a century for Europe and the US to get
wise to things that were poisoning the communities, killing workers and
the environment - and in truth we haven't gone far enough yet. China
hasn't even started. I'll wager it takes China less time to get to the
place the west is now - maybe 50 years.
However, we're all also making the mistake of assuming the blame for
cheap shoddy goods that barely make it out of the shop without breaking
is on China. It's not. The Chinese are perfectly capable of making
stuff that will last for thousands of years - after all they've been
doing so for longer than the west have.
They aren't making such things currently because the western countries
commissioning them aren't, in general, asking for them.
Pt
> I look around and I see almost everything around me is made in China.
There is so much going on with buying MIC.
I have been a good union member, am patriotic, belong to the VFW and
Moose, obey the laws and try to help others when I can.
I firmly believe in buying American.
It supports our labor force and businesses.
And I have practiced as I preached most of my life.
Now I am retired and living on a minimal fixed income.
I can't buy the things I want so I have to buy the best that I can
afford.
The typical American family is in the same position.
The husband and wife both work full time jobs to support their three
spoiled brats, their $500,000 home, $180,000 worth of cars not to
mention their rider lawn movers, in ground pool, $8,000 TV, boat and
new Harley.
The kids need school clothes and of course they wear clothes that have
the word 'China' on them.
Shoes ain't cheap either.
And they must have ipods and flip flop phones.
These things are essential.
With what little money they have left they have no choice but to buy
Chinese made products.
This is the society we live in and it is our way of thinking.
More is better.
I have a feeling that we are in for a rude awakening.
Pt
Derek Tearne
> "jeffb" <je...@nope.com> wrote in message
> news:NqPQi.63143$th2.6477@pd7urf3no...
> > Derek Tearne wrote:
> >
> >> Not everything coming out of china is cheap, poor quality, and likely to
> >> self-destruct at a moments notice.
> >
> > And THAT should be more cause for concern that the market flooded with
> > cheap goods. The only thing the "first world" has going for it any more is
> > quality. We certainly can't compete with the low cost of labor elsewhere.
>
> What bugs me is that nobody asked us what we'd be willing to pay for goods
> that are no longer made here.
The market asked us, collectively, and we, collectively, responded.
The issue with capitalism is we can only answer the market driven
questions. If a question isn't market driven, or is market driven but
the people praying to the great market god choose not to put it out
there to be answered, we may never get the chance to answer it.
But I'll bet you can still get high quality hand made dress shirts
locally. They'll cost you a bit, and will probably be made by a chinese
american tailor, but that stuff is still there.
Axel Bergander
> I look around and I see almost everything around me is made in China.
Yeah. Even my former girl friend. And some of my colleagues. Smart, hard
working people with a great education.
Axel
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Les Cargill
They don't have to assume. We won't.
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JoeSpareBedroom
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> Pt <pea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I look around and I see almost everything around me is made in China.
>
> Yeah. Even my former girl friend. And some of my colleagues. Smart, hard
> working people with a great education.
>
> Axel
That doesn't address the issue of our supporting a dictatorship by doing
business with China.
Les Cargill
There ain't a dang thing wrong with this for as long as
the item being purchased lasts. I swear I'm gonna do an
indie film where I play a fictional employment counselor
who meets with the parents of law-school-capable kids
- "Little Jimmy has the stuff to become a great lawyer*,
but we really need people to work in factories to
maintain our competitive edge in the world."
*or doctor, or engineer, or ...
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
It's good to know that everything that needs to be done is being done.
I'll alert the economists.
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
Nope. Not even close.
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
Don't like it? I spent eight years in an old-line manufacturing
company that was 400% more efficient and profitable than the
resulting (domestic) competitor. But the competitor was the
market leader, and when the industry consolidated, it
was "buh bye...." I actually finally read the writing and split a year
and a half early... to another similar company that got reamed
with the first (1997) Bhat failure and did a similar swan-dive by
end of 1998....
One plot thread in the (old) movie "Network was" "The Arabs are buying
up our country!".
It hasn't happened. It didn't happen in the '80s with cars, it didn't
happen in *Britain* with cheap American goods in the 19th century, and
I don't know anybody left who says "NAFTA didn't work better than we
thought."
When they do actually reinvent Smoot-Hawley to "save ahre jerbs" and
cut the M1-M3 figures to stop inflation, we'll have 25% unemployment
and the resulting political destabilization will probably clock
the planet back to 1790 human-carrying-capacity levels ( about
1/10th of the present figure ) and we'll all be busy, busy, busy -
burying the 90% that didn't make it.
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
Maybe we should just invade? Or sell 'em opium. Yeah. That'd work....
--
Les Cargill
JoeSpareBedroom
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Nah...that's for impotent old politicians. Now, there are some who believe
China can be "brought around" by tantalizing them with money, but not me.
I'd rather see us cut off a large market: This country.
Les Cargill
> "Les Cargill" <lcar...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4713ef8e$0$20608$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>> "Axel Bergander" <a.bergand...@gmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1i61vem.rb5bl81viggssN%a.bergand...@gmailSPAM.com...
>>>> Pt <pea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I look around and I see almost everything around me is made in China.
>>>> Yeah. Even my former girl friend. And some of my colleagues. Smart, hard
>>>> working people with a great education.
>>>>
>>>> Axel
>>>
>>> That doesn't address the issue of our supporting a dictatorship by doing
>>> business with China.
>> Maybe we should just invade? Or sell 'em opium. Yeah. That'd work....
>>
>> --
>> Les Cargill
>
> Nah...that's for impotent old politicians.
The point of that point is that the Boxer Rebellion
was a direct result of British politicians being
unable to accept that a negative balance of trade
made sense. This was not a good thing. We'd better
be smarter than that.
> Now, there are some who believe
> China can be "brought around" by tantalizing them with money, but not me.
Money's part of it. Not all of it. The Chinese "don't
take a dump without a plan, son" - to paraphrase
Fred Thompson. They see years out, and whoever's in
the middle of it is 1) smart 2) is capable of setting
objectives to be gained.
I don't buy "brought around" either, but
it's ultimately none of my business. I don't live
there. I don't know enough to say what is right and what
is wrong in that case.
When people speak ill of "totalitarian China" these days,
all I hear is William Randolph Hearst whispering "yellow
peril"...
> I'd rather see us cut off a large market: This country.
>
>
If you want influence over the politics there, you are
better off keeping trade going. Not "you" you, just
"person X" - the royal you. Trade is where people speak
the truth - the rest is posturing.
--
Les Cargill
jeffb
>
> The market asked us, collectively, and we, collectively, responded.
Well, sorta. actually the TOLD us and we bought it.
As a species we're not very far thinking.
jeffb
I have no idea what you're talking about.
JoeSpareBedroom
Towelly? Is that you? :-)
Les Cargill
Apparently, we as a species have run out of work. It's all done.
(A founding assumption of economics is that that will never happen. )
--
Les Cargill
JoeSpareBedroom
Apparently, the concept hasn't reach my house. Otherwise I wouldn't have to
be painting my %#@!ING windows over the next few days, and then building
shelves in the basement and waxing the truck and painting the 2nd bedroom
and insulating the crawl space under part of the kitchen and then replacing
the floor and then removing the ugly wallpaper and sink in the bathroom....
Run out of work, indeed.
Les Cargill
We can't stop here! This is bat country.
--
Les Cargill
Mike Rieves
It isn't China that is ruining the economy. China wouldn't be an issue if
American business moguls weren't farming everything out for manufacture in
China in order to squeeze every last drop of profit they can from the
American consumer. What they don't realize is that the money going to China
for the products isn't coming back into their pockets like it would be if
the money was staying here in the US. What happens when American consumers
no longer have the money to buy because it's all going to China to pay for
manufacture and India to pay for technical support? They're going to
out-source themselves right out of existance.
economist
news:iKUQi.3967$E7....@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
You tell 'em Mike. You're not only the undeducted authority on technical
matters, you are also the uneducated authority on economic matters.
While each of those moguls is being paid millions of dollars every year
for their naive decisions, you can't afford life insurance for yourself
and that whore that you call a wife. Right on, Mr. Shit For Brains.
Mike Rieves
"economist" <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
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Okay, then Mr smart guy, refute my statements above. What? You can't? Why
Not? Because they're true? Well then, who is the *real* shit-for-brains? Oh,
it's you!
At least I have a wife, there isn't a human being on Earth who could stand
to live with you. I heard you're so antisocial that even your pet rock ran
away....
And now, for my next illusion, <PLONK>
JoeSpareBedroom
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Wow. What a manly man.
-economist-
There is no need to refute the opinions of an uneducated ignoramus.
> At least I have a wife,
One who only a blind person could tolerate being seen with in public.
> there isn't a human being on Earth who could
> stand
> to live with you.
You'd be surprised. The world is a very big place, and most women are
attracted to good look and money, which undoubtedly explains your pathetic
situation.
>I heard you're so antisocial that even your pet rock
> ran away...
I heard that you have a special fondness for goats.
.
> And now, for my next illusion, <PLONK>
Bye for now....until next time.
economist
news:1eVQi.19106$ya1....@news02.roc.ny:
Certainly not a faggot like you.
Susan
> Not everything coming out of china is cheap, poor quality, and likely to
> self-destruct at a moments notice. The chinese are building things to
> match the quality and price point level set by the companies
> commissioning them to build them. So if you buy a 'designed in [insert
> ones own western nation here] - made in china' goods that are cheap and
> fall apart, the [ones own western nation] based company is at least
> partly, perhaps largely, to blame for that.
Quite right. I once worked for a purchasing department, doing some
database stuff for them, and the buyers were emailing people in China
all the time. They also dealt with American companies, but not many. A
penny per unit price difference would be enough to break a deal. Mind
you, this was an American based company.
What puzzles me about all the news of lead and such in Chinese products
is that these products had to go through a lot of testing certifications
by a third party testing company which could certify that products met
standards for the US, Europe and I can't remember what the other major
certifications were. There were tests for lead, drop tests (would you
get sharp pieces if you dropped the thing from three feet or from six
feet?), flammability tests, all kinds of things. Products would not go
into development until all the necessary tests were passed and there
would be periodic spot checking. The testing managers were great people
and very serious about this stuff.
The West has been trading with China since Marco Polo and the Silk Road.
What was that documentary about Walmart that was on TV a while ago?
What bothers me is that when the manufacturing jobs went, there was a
promise of better jobs. But the better jobs aren't really happening.
I don't know the answer, don't think anyone who actually cares about the
working person does. We've had a global economy for a long long time,
but never of this scale before. And I think, just like with groups of
people and the way societies are organized, size matters.
Take care,
-Susan
Mike Rieves
"-economist-" <economist@swinepen> wrote in message
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Certainly not, which is why you don't bother to post a refutation.
>> At least I have a wife,
>
>
> One who only a blind person could tolerate being seen with in public.
Still better by far than what you have.
>> there isn't a human being on Earth who could
>> stand
>> to live with you.
>
>
> You'd be surprised. The world is a very big place, and most women are
> attracted to good look and money, which undoubtedly explains your pathetic
> situation.
Sure, you can pay someone to spend a short time with you, but with your
personality, all the money in the world wouldn't be enough to get someone to
live with you for any appreciable length of time. The way I heard it, you
even have to pay your hand for sex, and it insists that you wear a sack over
your head.
>>I heard you're so antisocial that even your pet rock
>> ran away...
>
>
> I heard that you have a special fondness for goats.
Actually not so much, they remind me too much of you.
.
JoeSpareBedroom
Heh. Little boy, stay behind your computer. You'd last about 11 seconds
saying stuff like this right to anyone's face.
RichL
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> I look around and I see almost everything around me is made in China.
> even my underware says "made in China".
> It was not really my choice to buy made in China stuff.
> It's shoved down our throats everywhere we go.
> They should change the name of Walmart to Chinamart, China shack,
> Chinese Valu hardware stores.
> Next thing you know China Centers (guirat center) will be popping up.
>
> Pt......Pang Tao
We all do what we want to do. And that includes our buying habits, if we
*choose* to educate ourselves sufficiently.
Buy Ric basses...see? (Not a paid infomercial)
Derek Tearne
> Maybe we should just invade? Or sell 'em opium. Yeah. That'd work....
Well, we've been getting cheap opium from China for years - then good
old local industrialists turn it into a value added product called
'heroin' - which coincidentally ends up costing a very large amount of
money.
Perhaps the solution to cheap Chinese goods is to declare a 'war on
consumer goods' - then everything from beans to plasma TV's will become
sought after and expensive black market items and everyone will win!
--- Derek
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Mike Rieves
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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education. Just goes to show that education and intelligence are not
necessarily related.
Derek Tearne
This move to cheap offshore sock-puppets is having a clear reduction in
the quality of local trolls and other ne'er do wells.
They clearly don't last as long as the old first world economy
sock-puppets, who could keep the same handle for sometime a couple of
weeks before changing.
The cheap off-shore ones keep breaking and having to be replaced by a
seemingly never ending supply of low quality trolls.
These are truly sad times.
Pt
> The cheap off-shore ones keep breaking and having to be replaced by a
> seemingly never ending supply of low quality trolls.
>
> These are truly sad times.
>
> --- Derek
Made in China Trolls!
Pt
jeffb
> Apparently, we as a species have run out of work. It's all done.
> (A founding assumption of economics is that that will never happen. )
Oh. I'm sure to an educated person that was cutting and very funny.
I didn't get it and still don't. Sorry to keep you up tonight with that.
JoeSpareBedroom
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When did his wife take the kids and move to another state or country?
Lane Baldwin
>> Believe it or not, he's a fifty something year old man with a college
>> education. Just goes to show that education and intelligence are not
>> necessarily related.
>>
>
Waitaminit! He had to go to college to learn to act like a kindergarten
reject?
Geez, there are degrees in all kinds of stuff nowadays, aren't there?
Lane Baldwin
> On Oct 15, 10:05 am, Pt <pea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The husband and wife both work full time jobs to support their three
> spoiled brats, their $500,000 home, $180,000 worth of cars not to
> mention their rider lawn movers, in ground pool, $8,000 TV, boat and
> new Harley.
>
<snip>
> And they must have ipods and flip flop phones.
> These things are essential.
There's not one thing on that list that is essential...except a home, and it
need not cost a half mil. That's the big problem with US society... we
believe that the more we own, the happier we will be... and never once give
thought to the life-style cost of having to work so hard to buy so much
unnecessary crap.
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> "Axel Bergander" <a.bergand...@gmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:1i61vem.rb5bl81viggssN%a.bergand...@gmailSPAM.com...
> > Pt <pea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I look around and I see almost everything around me is made in China.
> >
> > Yeah. Even my former girl friend. And some of my colleagues. Smart, hard
> > working people with a great education.
> >
> > Axel
>
>
> That doesn't address the issue of our supporting a dictatorship by doing
> business with China.
Try buying your gas from democracys only.
But the interesting question is: How could China change? And the answer
is: China is changing. There's still censorship, opression, the death
sentence. But how long can a government give the people economical
freedom and keep them from political freedom? And what message would it
be from the western world to boycot chinese wares because of the
government?
I don't think that tere are easy answers to these questions, moral,
economical, political ones. However, history shows - at least by
average - that free trade leads to more wealth and freedom for most of
the people. Protectionism helps a small group of people for a certain,
rather short time.
Axel
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send mails without spam and tralala
Les Cargill
Exactly.
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
What's coming in from China is "cash" from bond sales. Think about it -
it all has to balance, or nobody can survive an audit.
The only real problem is dumb-bunnies LIKE ME who bought a
mower with a Chinese clone of a Honda engine, only to have the
head or exhaust gasket pop in four months. I was dumb because
"wow, a mower with a Honda OHC engine for $<x>" without thinking
it through.
Went down, bought a Craftsman with a Briggs, good to go for ten
years.
--
Les Cargill
--
Les Cargill
Jim Kelley
Axel Bergander wrote:
>
> Try buying your gas from democracys only.
>
> But the interesting question is: How could China change? And the answer
> is: China is changing. There's still censorship, opression, the death
> sentence. But how long can a government give the people economical
> freedom and keep them from political freedom?
Here in California we're on a course to meet the Chinese government
half way.
jk
Les Cargill
> Les Cargill <lcar...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe we should just invade? Or sell 'em opium. Yeah. That'd work....
>
> Well, we've been getting cheap opium from China for years - then good
> old local industrialists turn it into a value added product called
> 'heroin' - which coincidentally ends up costing a very large amount of
> money.
>
CAPITALIZM R00LS!1! WOOHOOO!1!
Seriously, the opium is coming from Afghanistan.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/01/AR2006120101654.html
> Perhaps the solution to cheap Chinese goods is to declare a 'war on
> consumer goods' - then everything from beans to plasma TV's will become
> sought after and expensive black market items and everyone will win!
>
Works for me - so long as we realize that MI gear is not
consumer goods...
> --- Derek
>
>
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
> This move to cheap offshore sock-puppets is having a clear reduction in
> the quality of local trolls and other ne'er do wells.
>
<Walter Brennan voice on>
By gum, we had some world class ne'er-do-wells when I was
a boy. You had some ne'er? They'd by-gum DO it. Well,
too.
</WB>
> They clearly don't last as long as the old first world economy
> sock-puppets, who could keep the same handle for sometime a couple of
> weeks before changing.
>
> The cheap off-shore ones keep breaking and having to be replaced by a
> seemingly never ending supply of low quality trolls.
>
It's the low-lead solder.
> These are truly sad times.
>
SHRUBBERY!
Les Cargill
Nah - sorry myself. Peace :) T'was certainly not intended at your
expense. I shoulda smileyed.
We'll just never get *everything* done, so the more efficiently
we can get whatever done, the better. That's what they tell me.
--
Les Cargill
-economist.
@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
> Believe it or not, he's a fifty something year old man
Try sixty something.
> with a college education.
Try a post-doctoral education.
> Just goes to show that education and intelligence are not
> necessarily related.
Not something that you would know anything about, given the fact that you
have neither education nor intelligence.
economist
$B25....@news01.roc.ny:
If you believe that, you're the little boy. Grow a brain, asshole.
You're not in high school any more.
economist
$6p6....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:z_YQi.19110$ya1....@news02.roc.ny...
>>> Believe it or not, he's a fifty something year old man with a college
>>> education. Just goes to show that education and intelligence are not
>>> necessarily related.
>>>
>>
>
> Waitaminit! He had to go to college to learn to act like a kindergarten
> reject?
Actually college was insufficient. I had to go to graduate school.
> Geez, there are degrees in all kinds of stuff nowadays, aren't there?
True. There's even one in gross ignorance and stupidity, as you well
exemplify.
JoeSpareBedroom
Pot...kettle....black.
JoeSpareBedroom
> JoeSpareBedroom <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Axel Bergander" <a.bergand...@gmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
>> news:1i61vem.rb5bl81viggssN%a.bergand...@gmailSPAM.com...
>> > Pt <pea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I look around and I see almost everything around me is made in China.
>> >
>> > Yeah. Even my former girl friend. And some of my colleagues. Smart,
>> > hard
>> > working people with a great education.
>> >
>> > Axel
>>
>>
>> That doesn't address the issue of our supporting a dictatorship by doing
>> business with China.
>
> Try buying your gas from democracys only.
Agreed, but I don't have a choice, other than not driving, and that's not an
option for me.
economist
de...@url.co.nz:
>
> This move to cheap offshore sock-puppets is having a clear reduction in
> the quality of local trolls and other ne'er do wells.
>
> They clearly don't last as long as the old first world economy
> sock-puppets, who could keep the same handle for sometime a couple of
> weeks before changing.
>
> The cheap off-shore ones keep breaking and having to be replaced by a
> seemingly never ending supply of low quality trolls.
>
> These are truly sad times.
>
> --- Derek
So what?
economist
$B25....@news01.roc.ny:
Hardly. Try reality check.
Mike Rieves
"-economist." <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
news:4f064$471562dd$44b791e3$71...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
> "Mike Rieves" <mr...@hotspam.com> wrote in news:O4WQi.4034$E7.3170
> @bignews3.bellsouth.net:
>
>
>> Believe it or not, he's a fifty something year old man
>
> Try sixty something
>
> Try a post-doctoral education.
>
>
>> Just goes to show that education and intelligence are not
>> necessarily related.
>
> Not something that you would know anything about, given the fact that you
> have neither education nor intelligence.
>
Actually, I have both. And you're making juudgments again...
JoeSpareBedroom
When did you wife leave with the children?
..economist.-
You have neither, and that is a fact.
economist
$ya1....@news02.roc.ny:
When did yours, asshole?
JoeSpareBedroom
When someone like you dances into a discussion and immediately insults
another man's wife, there's always a reason, and it's never a good reason.
When did your wife leave with the children?
Mike Rieves
"..economist.-" <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
news:1ab8c$471574a4$44b791e3$12...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
You wouldn't know a fact from a judgement if your life depended on it.
economist
news:SBeRi.19140$ya1....@news02.roc.ny:
Whenever someone like you sticks his nose into matters which are none of
his business, there is always a reason, and it is never a good one. When
did you give up your manhood and turn into an effeminate busybody with a
welted pussy?
Mike Rieves
mentioned either over the last few years in any group where I've seen his
posts. Perhaps that's part of the explanation for his behavior.
JoeSpareBedroom
If the matter is none of anyone else's business, you should handle it
privately. Otherwise, it becomes everyone's business and you accept the
consequences.
.-.economist*.
As if the opinion of an uneducated, mindless moron like yourslelf has any
credibility.
-*economist.
Pray tell, what's the explanation for your sociopathic bahavior?
Jim Carr
> If the matter is none of anyone else's business, you should handle it
> privately. Otherwise, it becomes everyone's business and you accept the
> consequences.
This is the same guy who likes to hassle Mike and myself. Pay him no
mind except to better detect his seemingly unlimited number of aliases.
Mike Rieves
".-.economist*." <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
news:8423d$47157b3b$44b791e3$15...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
economist
@newsfe14.phx:
Too late, asswipe. I've already got them hooked.
...economist*.
No. I'm again stating fact.
JoeSpareBedroom
news:ca173$47157cc2$44b791e3$15...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
Quiet, pendejo.
Gary Rosen
"economist" <econ...@home.com> wrote in message news:789a$47156bb8
> So what?
Just the type of devastating comeback you'd *expect* from someone
with a graduate degree.
- Gary Rosen
Mike Rieves
"-*economist." <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
news:33de8$47157bf6$44b791e3$15...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
Seems like the definition fits you better than it does me:
Sociopath Definition:
Antisocial Personality Disorder is chronic, beginning in adolescence
and continuing throughout adulthood. There are ten general
symptoms:
not learning from experience
no sense of responsibility
inability to form meaningful relationships
inability to control impulses
lack of moral sense
chronically antisocial behavior
no change in behavior after punishment
emotional immaturity
lack of guilt
self-centeredness
jeffb
> We'll just never get *everything* done, so the more efficiently
> we can get whatever done, the better. That's what they tell me.
OK, NOW I know why I didn't get it. See, I work in film and it's
generally accepted that you're going to do the same job two or three or
more times before the art department is happy and then it won't work for
the lighting and that it's a good thing....if they got efficient we'd
never make any overtime. We was just thinking in different languages is all.
economist
news:XJOdnZCpk4MZ44ja...@comcast.com:
Being dismissed out of hand is indeed a bit devastating.
Care to debate?
Mike Rieves
"...economist*." <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
news:1923f$47157d3d$44b791e3$15...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
What does that say about you?
?economist.
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>
> "-*economist." <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
> news:33de8$47157bf6$44b791e3$15...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
>> "Mike Rieves" <mr...@hotspam.com> wrote in
>> news:3SeRi.3467$Ia....@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>>
>>>
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:SBeRi.19140$ya1....@news02.roc.ny...
>>>> "economist" <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:e7021$47157597$44b791e3$12...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:KeeRi.19137
>>>>> $ya1....@news02.roc.ny:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "economist" <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:b962e$47156e9d$44b791e3$10...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
>>>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:eRdRi.19261 $B25....@news01.roc.ny:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "economist" <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:b644f$4715654c$44b791e3$78...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:CUVQi.19229 $B25....@news01.roc.ny:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "economist" <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:fa5$47142629$44b791e3$31...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:1eVQi.19106$ya1....@news02.roc.ny:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "economist" <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:40d19$47141d8f$44b791e3$29106
I'm quite aware of the definition. Now answer the question.
Mike Rieves
_economist-
It "obviously" says that I know the difference and that you don't.
Lane Baldwin
"economist" <economist@swinepen> wrote in message
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> Lame Brain Lane <la...@laneonbass.comSPAM.com> wrote in news:G7aRi.8580
> $6p6....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:
>
Bwahahahahahaha!!!!
Gawd, that's so funny... you changed my name to Lame Brain Lane!
Oh, my! How original.
What cracks me up is that you claim post-doctoral education, yet display a
complete kindergarten mentality. Proof that higher education is sometimes
wasted. Or, that you're a total liar with a serious chip on your shoulder.
Either way, you're a hoot!
--
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-&economist.
No problem. I'm sure that you will take up the slack.
economist
news:ElfRi.13365$JD....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:
>
> "economist" <economist@swinepen> wrote in message
> news:aa7e2$471566a0$44b791e3$78...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
>> Lame Brain Lane <la...@laneonbass.comSPAM.com> wrote in
>> news:G7aRi.8580 $6p6....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:
>>
>
> Bwahahahahahaha!!!!
>
> Gawd, that's so funny... you changed my name to Lame Brain Lane!
>
> Oh, my! How original.
>
> What cracks me up is that you claim post-doctoral education, yet
> display a complete kindergarten mentality. Proof that higher education
> is sometimes wasted. Or, that you're a total liar with a serious chip
> on your shoulder.
>
> Either way, you're a hoot!
Higher education is never wasted, the lack of which you amply demonstrate.
Mike Rieves
"_economist-" <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
news:755bf$471581e9$44b791e3$15...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
Q) Who is posting under dozens, if not hundreds of different aliases to keep
from being killfiled?
A) You!
Q) Who follows people from news group to news group, insulting and attacking
them?
A) You!
Q) Who insults virtually everyone who replies to any of his posts?
A) You!
Q) Who constantly claims a post-doctorate education, though his posts show
grammatical errors consistant with a sub-ninth grade education?
A) You!
Q) Who cannot tell the difference between a fact and a personal judgment
based on insufficient evidence?
A) You!
Q) Who insults the other people and their families only because they
disagree with him?
A) You!
Mike Rieves
"?economist." <econ...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
news:d6793$4715807c$44b791e3$15...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
> I'm quite aware of the definition. Now answer the question.
Okay, my behavior is not sociopathic, yours is. You should be aware of the
difinition because if fits you like a glove. The fact that you apparently
aren't aware of that shows how deeply affected you are.
Jim Carr
Apology accepted.
Mike Rieves
"-&economist." <ecoon...@swinepen.com> wrote in message
news:daae$471582d0$44b791e3$17...@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
No, I'm not. Actually, I'm growing tired of this silly game. You've been
one-upped by everyone who has responded to your bullshit, and you don't even
know it. We win, you lose!
I'm going to killfile your posts without bothering to reply to them, and
I'm going to suggest that everyone else do the same. Let's see how you
respond to being dismissed out of hand.
I feel sorry for someone who has to go to the lengths you do to gain
attention. You must have no human contact in real life at all. At least at
your age, you won't have to suffer from it for too many more years. Goodbye!
<PLONK!>
Brian Running
> complete kindergarten mentality.
Guys, you know, this really shouldn't have to be said, it's so obvious
-- but someone who spends all his spare time on usenet trying to match
wits with Mike Rieves and just barely holding his own in doing so, does
not have a post-graduate education. I doubt that he's even graduated
high school, I'd guess he's about 16.
Lane Baldwin
"Brian Running" <brun...@XXameritechXX.net> wrote in message
news:_DpRi.6652$oA2...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
I think you're right, bro. If this is an example of higher education in
action, it's a very sad commentary on our educational system. This one
really comes across as a maladjusted child.