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Danko

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Jul 9, 2007, 5:56:42 AM7/9/07
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"timbo" <t...@nospam-number26.org> wrote in message
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> as per the subject, what's the worst bass amp you've ever played through?
> On
> saturday night, played at a Brisbane rock'n'roll club dance where backline
> was provided. Bass amp was a 15" combo setup with (i think) "rex" on on
> the
> front. looked on the back, it said 88watts. gaa! tried to run it at low
> volume with a DI through the PA - didnt sound bad, but three songs into
> the
> first set - smoke! i killed it! had to do the rest of the gig with less
> than ideal bass through foldback. was a good gig, but i couldn't hear
> myself
> properly for some time...
>
> cheers,
>
> timbo.
>

I always tend to forget the things that bother me. I guess that's good. But,
one Marshall was especially poor. Also one Warwick amp was bad. Played two
johnson amps - both crap.

I don't know the models, sorry.

Danko

patmp...@gmail.com

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Jul 9, 2007, 9:31:46 AM7/9/07
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On Jul 9, 5:26 pm, timbo <t...@nospam-number26.org> wrote:
> as per the subject, what's the worst bass amp you've ever played through? On
> saturday night, played at a Brisbane rock'n'roll club dance where backline
> was provided. Bass amp was a 15" combo setup with (i think) "rex" on on the
> front. looked on the back, it said 88watts. gaa! tried to run it at low
> volume with a DI through the PA - didnt sound bad, but three songs into the
> first set - smoke! i killed it! had to do the rest of the gig with less
> than ideal bass through foldback. was a good gig, but i couldn't hear myself
> properly for some time...
>
> cheers,
>
> timbo.
>
> --
>
> http://www.skyrockats.com

The black panel Fender Bassman, 40 weak watts and two 10" speakers.
Someone once told me that he thought it was the best bass amp in the
world. I do not understand this man.

As far as the worst sound of a lot of money, I heard a guy in Boston's
Musica Orbis (wonderful band) with both an Acoustic 360 and an Ampeg
SVT. A very thin and wimpy sound. The amps seemed to cancel each
other's virtues. Not to mention the aggrevation of carrying all that
*^*&* around.

BW

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Jul 9, 2007, 10:19:45 AM7/9/07
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How 'bout a variation on a theme: What's the BEST bass amp you ever
played through? Not owned, necessarily, but played through...

Barry

Stronger Than Dirt (John)

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Jul 9, 2007, 10:45:52 AM7/9/07
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Worst: 100 watt Fender piece of crap combo (BX-100?) that was part of
a club's backline. No balls. No bottom. Several broken dials.

Best: 330 watt Eden Time Traveler head, which has been in my rig for
five years.

John Doe

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Jul 9, 2007, 11:34:42 AM7/9/07
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<<with both an Acoustic 360 and an Ampeg SVT. A very thin and wimpy
sound.>>

Why he was using both amps is beyond me....I think the Acoustic ruined
the sound. My SVT is CERTAINLY not "thin and wimpy"
I think the dude had some fixation on the letter A

S.

John Doe

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Jul 9, 2007, 11:36:09 AM7/9/07
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.

Worst was my first amp....I think the name was "Paul"...it was
absolute shit.....but sounded great to me at the time.

S.

Steve

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Jul 9, 2007, 12:18:03 PM7/9/07
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timbo wrote:
> as per the subject, what's the worst bass amp you've ever played through? On
> saturday night, played at a Brisbane rock'n'roll club dance where backline
> was provided. Bass amp was a 15" combo setup with (i think) "rex" on on the
> front. looked on the back, it said 88watts. gaa! tried to run it at low
> volume with a DI through the PA - didnt sound bad, but three songs into the
> first set - smoke! i killed it! had to do the rest of the gig with less
> than ideal bass through foldback. was a good gig, but i couldn't hear myself
> properly for some time...
>
> cheers,
>
> timbo.
>
>

Worst: I bought a used '69 Fender Bassman head and 2 x 15 cabinet in '86
or therebouts. The rig seriously lacked bottom end. That same cab
sounded great (for bass) with a Dual Showman Reverb head. The Bassman
head was a big disappointment, needless to say.

Best: My current rig: Peavey Pro Bass 1000 preamp into a QSC1450 power
amp, driving a Peavey 1820 cabinet (1 x 18, 2 x 10) biamped.

Alternate best: A Roland KC500 keyboard map - it makes a great bass
combo amp.

--Steve

Todd H.

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Jul 9, 2007, 12:49:06 PM7/9/07
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Steve <sm...@sureNOSPAMwest.net> writes:

> Alternate best: A Roland KC500 keyboard map - it makes a great bass
> combo amp.

It really does, for its size particularly.


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Jul 9, 2007, 12:35:21 PM7/9/07
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Worst, was my old Randal RB-120. It was the combo version, with two 15s.
My guitarist had the guitar version, which had identical dimensions, but
6x10s. Tall, shallow cabinet, with sound to match :-)

Best, my current amp, Thunderfunk into Avatar 1x15 and 2x10. Get you some!

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"timbo" <t...@nospam-number26.org> wrote in message
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> as per the subject, what's the worst bass amp you've ever played through?
> On
> saturday night, played at a Brisbane rock'n'roll club dance where backline
> was provided. Bass amp was a 15" combo setup with (i think) "rex" on on
> the
> front. looked on the back, it said 88watts. gaa! tried to run it at low
> volume with a DI through the PA - didnt sound bad, but three songs into
> the
> first set - smoke! i killed it! had to do the rest of the gig with less
> than ideal bass through foldback. was a good gig, but i couldn't hear
> myself
> properly for some time...
>
> cheers,
>
> timbo.
>
>

> --
>
> http://www.skyrockats.com


Larry Shaw

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Jul 9, 2007, 4:43:47 PM7/9/07
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Vox T60 but was a long time ago ('64/65)........ I bought the thing when
they came out and it was lacking in everything.

Straight back to the trusty old selemer T&B with the Goliath cab...

-the HoSt-

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Jul 9, 2007, 7:36:40 PM7/9/07
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"timbo" <t...@nospam-number26.org> wrote in message
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> as per the subject, what's the worst bass amp you've ever played through?
On
> saturday night, played at a Brisbane rock'n'roll club dance where backline
> was provided. Bass amp was a 15" combo setup with (i think) "rex" on on
the
> front. looked on the back, it said 88watts. gaa! tried to run it at low
> volume with a DI through the PA - didnt sound bad, but three songs into
the
> first set - smoke! i killed it! had to do the rest of the gig with less
> than ideal bass through foldback. was a good gig, but i couldn't hear
myself
> properly for some time...
>
> cheers,
>
> timbo.
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.skyrockats.com

Anything with an SWR symbol on it so far.

Todd H.

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Jul 9, 2007, 7:01:54 PM7/9/07
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"-the HoSt-" <Ho...@hotmail.com> writes:

> "timbo" <t...@nospam-number26.org> wrote in message
> news:f6suvc$f62$1...@birgitte.twibble.org...
> > as per the subject, what's the worst bass amp you've ever played through?
>

> Anything with an SWR symbol on it so far.

Heh.. Nice. Seems finally I'm not alone in wondering what the big
deal is/was with those heads. I've heard some of the cabs sound
groovy... with other heads though.

haligonab

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Jul 9, 2007, 9:33:58 PM7/9/07
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How 'bout replying to the OP? If not, you can start your own thread.

Steve

SheaNC

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Jul 9, 2007, 9:44:50 PM7/9/07
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Worst: Oh, I don'tknow... old Sears Silvertone Solid-State?

Best: Maybe the Sunn Concert for most basses, although I got a totally great
sound with a Ric 4003 through a Rickenbacker TR50 (like this:
http://jzu.free.fr/rick/amp/img/TR50_front.jpg). The two matched each other
beautifully.


timbo

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Jul 9, 2007, 9:42:24 PM7/9/07
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On 2007-07-09, timbo <t...@nospam-number26.org> wrote:
> as per the subject, what's the worst bass amp you've ever played through? On

> saturday night, played at a Brisbane rock'n'roll club dance where backline
> was provided. Bass amp was a 15" combo setup with (i think) "rex" on on the
> front. looked on the back, it said 88watts. gaa! tried to run it at low
> volume with a DI through the PA - didnt sound bad, but three songs into the
> first set - smoke! i killed it! had to do the rest of the gig with less
> than ideal bass through foldback. was a good gig, but i couldn't hear myself
> properly for some time...
>
> cheers,
>
> timbo.
>
>

following up to my own post: The best bass amp i've played through has to
be my current rig - eden D410XST with an Acoustic Image Focus 2R series III
head. only beats the svt-ii through the eden on the basis of portability..

--

http://www.skyrockats.com

timbo

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Jul 9, 2007, 9:45:51 PM7/9/07
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On 2007-07-09, Steve <sm...@sureNOSPAMwest.net> wrote:
>
> Best: My current rig: Peavey Pro Bass 1000 preamp into a QSC1450 power
> amp, driving a Peavey 1820 cabinet (1 x 18, 2 x 10) biamped.

i used a Pro Bass 1000 preamp for years. very underrated as a preamp IMHO -
could always pull a good sound with it. was using it with a home-made power
amp (350W into 4ohms) & an old EV Tl15 bin. The only problems i ever had
with it was the input jack occasionally needed resoldering, & i had to
replace the power switch. I eventually modified it to have a pre/post eq
switch for the DI out.

Les Cargill

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Jul 9, 2007, 10:33:45 PM7/9/07
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timbo wrote:
> as per the subject, what's the worst bass amp you've ever played through? On
> saturday night, played at a Brisbane rock'n'roll club dance where backline
> was provided. Bass amp was a 15" combo setup with (i think) "rex" on on the
> front. looked on the back, it said 88watts. gaa! tried to run it at low
> volume with a DI through the PA - didnt sound bad, but three songs into the
> first set - smoke! i killed it! had to do the rest of the gig with less
> than ideal bass through foldback. was a good gig, but i couldn't hear myself
> properly for some time...
>
> cheers,
>
> timbo.
>
>

Peavey TNT combo.

--
Les Cargill

Susan

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Jul 9, 2007, 10:48:08 PM7/9/07
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Steve wrote:

> Alternate best: A Roland KC500 keyboard map - it makes a great bass
> combo amp.

My sister has a Roland KC350 keyboard amp that I like to use when I'm at
her house, I think it sounds really nice and you can feel it too. I
wonder what the Roland D-Bass 210 is like? Not that I'm in the market
for anything yet. Other than the magic potion that keeps me from
screwing up things that I normally can play well:( Yeah, I know, keep
practicing!

-Susan

Todd H.

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Jul 9, 2007, 11:13:07 PM7/9/07
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haligonab <ste...@SPAMNOTiglou.com> writes:

How 'bout "We ain't usually that anal round these parts?"

Best Regards,

sln

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Jul 10, 2007, 1:35:48 AM7/10/07
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timbo wrote:
> as per the subject, what's the worst bass amp you've ever played through?

Worst: As a dumb kid in high school, I used to run my Fender Rhodes
through my stereo. Bad idea - I burned a number of tweeters that way.

Best: I haven't played through many amps, but I sure like my Eden
Nemesis (2x10).

sln
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klaw

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Jul 10, 2007, 9:01:17 AM7/10/07
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a big ass traynor with folded 18.
no attack - just whooo........

Benj

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Jul 10, 2007, 1:06:27 PM7/10/07
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BW wrote:
> How 'bout a variation on a theme: What's the BEST bass amp you ever
> played through? Not owned, necessarily, but played through...

The worst amp I ever played is my own Hondo practice amp. Even after I
replaced the speaker with a better one it was (is) still shit. I'm
not sure what the worst on a gig was. Probably the worst sound was DI
through the PA at this one local bar with a truly cheapo PA with no
bottom end and on that night no monitor at all. All sound coming from
the back wall of the place. Feh! One of the worst amps was a Hartke
Kickback. The ads say "more big bottom than Spinal Tap" but it was
about the most insipid amp I ever played. Overload characteristic
truly sucked too which was important given that it had no bass output.
My Laney 60 watt combo blew the grill off it. The best rig , of
course, was some Eden 2 x10 not sure of the models. Why do we always
see the same hands?

Benj

Todd H.

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Jul 10, 2007, 1:37:47 PM7/10/07
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Benj <bja...@iwaynet.net> writes:

> BW wrote:
> > How 'bout a variation on a theme: What's the BEST bass amp you ever
> > played through? Not owned, necessarily, but played through...
>
> The worst amp I ever played is my own Hondo practice amp.

OMG-they made amps?

All I recall were friends with Hondo II guitars that had the student
feature of "constantly requires tuning, so you'll become a tuning pro!"

Micheal Furlong

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Jul 10, 2007, 7:01:58 PM7/10/07
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The worst amp I have used would be an acoustic head, not the classic 360
that can give the confidence of established achievement, but some other
sequal to the classic that had strange overtones no matter what cabinet I
used and got pretty good am radio signals, usually in Spanish. It was loud
though! Oh and really awkward in it's 70's Buick length and weight.

20+ years later-
The best rig I have played through- My Walter Woods Ultra, Bergantino 2x10
and 1x12 stack sitting on a Aurelex isolation pad(gramma). It weighs in at
100lbs in 4 little pieces and sounds like punchy butter! Very nice projected
tone!

Any Kustom amp users out there?

Night Donkey


"timbo" <t...@nospam-number26.org> wrote in message
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> as per the subject, what's the worst bass amp you've ever played through?
> On
> saturday night, played at a Brisbane rock'n'roll club dance where backline
> was provided. Bass amp was a 15" combo setup with (i think) "rex" on on
> the
> front. looked on the back, it said 88watts. gaa! tried to run it at low
> volume with a DI through the PA - didnt sound bad, but three songs into
> the
> first set - smoke! i killed it! had to do the rest of the gig with less
> than ideal bass through foldback. was a good gig, but i couldn't hear
> myself
> properly for some time...
>
> cheers,
>
> timbo.
>
>

> --
>
> http://www.skyrockats.com


Les Cargill

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Jul 10, 2007, 7:29:36 PM7/10/07
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Micheal Furlong wrote:

> The worst amp I have used would be an acoustic head, not the classic 360
> that can give the confidence of established achievement, but some other
> sequal to the classic that had strange overtones no matter what cabinet I
> used and got pretty good am radio signals, usually in Spanish. It was loud
> though! Oh and really awkward in it's 70's Buick length and weight.
>

That would be an Acoustic 370*. And how dare you besmirch the fine
name! Those strange overtones were far out, maaaaan. :)

*coulda been any of a nubmer of others by Acoustic Control,
320, 330,... you get the pitcha.

That was one non-clean bass amp there, for sure. If
you get a chance, read some of the reverent reviews
on Harmony Central and celebrate the diversity. But
other than an SVT in 1977, there was not a whole lot
of other options in that power range. Don't say
peavey.

If you put a 370 on enough speaker, it actually cleaned
up pretty good. I used to run one through *4* 15",
in one of those Sunn cabs with the angled baffles. Very
little stage level, knocked the back wall out.

> 20+ years later-
> The best rig I have played through- My Walter Woods Ultra, Bergantino 2x10
> and 1x12 stack sitting on a Aurelex isolation pad(gramma). It weighs in at
> 100lbs in 4 little pieces and sounds like punchy butter! Very nice projected
> tone!
>

I bet so.

> Any Kustom amp users out there?
>

Besides SHeryl Crow?

> Night Donkey
>
>
> "timbo" <t...@nospam-number26.org> wrote in message
> news:f6suvc$f62$1...@birgitte.twibble.org...
>
>>as per the subject, what's the worst bass amp you've ever played through?
>>On
>>saturday night, played at a Brisbane rock'n'roll club dance where backline
>>was provided. Bass amp was a 15" combo setup with (i think) "rex" on on
>>the
>>front. looked on the back, it said 88watts. gaa! tried to run it at low
>>volume with a DI through the PA - didnt sound bad, but three songs into
>>the
>>first set - smoke! i killed it! had to do the rest of the gig with less
>>than ideal bass through foldback. was a good gig, but i couldn't hear
>>myself
>>properly for some time...
>>
>>cheers,
>>
>>timbo.
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>http://www.skyrockats.com
>
>
>

--
Les Cargill

patmp...@gmail.com

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Jul 11, 2007, 12:12:18 AM7/11/07
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Right. Essentially his problem was that it is very possible for one
amplifier to have its speaker pulling air while the other amp is
pushing. So the combination of two amps could produce less sound than
either one alone.

On the other hand, one of the best bass rigs I ever heard had two
different amps. But what you have to do is use one amp for the highs
and the other for the lows. Then they can't cancel each other.


patmp...@gmail.com

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Jul 11, 2007, 12:21:25 AM7/11/07
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On Jul 11, 7:01 am, "Micheal Furlong" <fuurl...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> The worst amp I have used would be an acoustic head, not the classic 360
> that can give the confidence of established achievement, but some other
> sequal to the classic that had strange overtones no matter what cabinet I
> used and got pretty good am radio signals, usually in Spanish. It was loud
> though! Oh and really awkward in it's 70's Buick length and weight.
>

Yeah, I never liked the 370, if that's what it was.

Acoustic amps were mediocre, I had a 140 and a 260, but I the speaker
cabinets were excellent.

That reminds me! The worst speaker cabinet I ever had was a Sunn
200S. The screws kept coming loose and a speaker actually fell out of
the cabinet during a gig!

patmp...@gmail.com

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Jul 11, 2007, 12:23:47 AM7/11/07
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On Jul 11, 7:01 am, "Micheal Furlong" <fuurl...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> Any Kustom amp users out there?
>


I had a Kustom head and liked it. The Charging Rhinocerus of Soul
used nothing but Kustoms and had a very good sound. Quite a look, too.

Jose de las Heras

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Jul 11, 2007, 6:07:20 AM7/11/07
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<patmp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"The charging rhinoceros of soul"!!!!

Brilliant name!!!! :-)

Any recordings? I *have* to have some recording from a band with such name,
since I cannot use the name for myself ;-)

Jose
--
Musha ring dum a doo dum a dah - www.mcnach.com
Current fave guitar: Fender 'Sambora' Stratocaster

Fender Stratocaster - part coffee table, part spaceship.


patmp...@gmail.com

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On Jul 11, 6:07 pm, "Jose de las Heras" <jose...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> <patmpow...@gmail.com> wrote in message

This was 1968 in Ann Arbor Michigan and they never had much ambition
or fame, but by God Google shows 39 hits. Can nothing escape the
Internet?

They might have been the first band to have a female bassist. Damn
solid player too. Hollow body Gibson bass.

Ballroom Dancer

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Jul 11, 2007, 1:27:35 PM7/11/07
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The worst amp I have played through was my first amp. I bought (for not much
money) a used "Majestic" amp from a local store in the early 1980's - it was
solid state, a BIG cabinet (about the size of a Twin Reverb), had two blown
speakers with little bitty magnets - I put a couple of 12" speakers in it.
Bass notes came out of it with kind of a wheeze.

The best rig I have played through: my current Trace Elliot with two Trace
cabs, one being 2x10 + horn, the other being 1x15. (The 2x15 big Fender
Bassman cab with a pair of JBL speakers would be nice to try with this, if I
hadn't sold it.) If I want more power, I DI the amp into a pair of JBL EON
15 G2 cabs, gives me a total of 1000 watts.

Never had a Kustom bass amp, our church had a Kustom roll-and-pleat PA with
two of the 6' high 4x10 roll&pleat cabs.

Jim


Mike Rieves

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Jul 11, 2007, 7:49:46 PM7/11/07
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<patmp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Nope, the Feminine Complex were around well before 1968 and they were an
all girl band, and a pretty damn good one.


haligonab

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Jul 11, 2007, 8:55:22 PM7/11/07
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On 09 Jul 2007 22:13:07 -0500, bmi...@toddh.net (Todd H.) wrote:

>haligonab <ste...@SPAMNOTiglou.com> writes:
>
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:19:45 -0700, BW <barryb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >How 'bout a variation on a theme: What's the BEST bass amp you ever
>> >played through? Not owned, necessarily, but played through...
>> >
>> >Barry
>>
>> How 'bout replying to the OP? If not, you can start your own
>> thread.
>
>How 'bout "We ain't usually that anal round these parts?"
>
>Best Regards,

Geez, I usually ain't that anal either. It just struck me as way too
early to be highjacking a potentially interesting thread. Didn't mean
to sound harsh, but it kinda did, didn't it? Sorry.

BTW, in my case it was my first. A Fender Bassman 25 practice amp.

timbo

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Jul 11, 2007, 9:09:45 PM7/11/07
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just do what others have been doing - list both your worst _and_ your
best... works for me. :)

and it has turned out to be an interesting thread anyway, worst or best..

Misifus

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Jul 11, 2007, 10:43:37 PM7/11/07
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There were all-girl bands (there was a term for them that escapes me) in
the thirties, and, I believe, before that.

-Raf

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Mike Rieves

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"Misifus" <rafse...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message
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There were all female string quartets, etc. 'way back in the middle ages.
Guys never had a monopoly on making music. :-)


John Doe

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Jul 12, 2007, 8:09:11 AM7/12/07
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On Jul 9, 10:19 am, BW <barrybass...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How 'bout a variation on a theme: What's the BEST bass amp you ever
> played through? Not owned, necessarily, but played through...
>
> Barry

Like someone else has said, "how bout replying to the thread...instead
of trying to highjack it...."

BW

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Jul 12, 2007, 11:02:19 AM7/12/07
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Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! (Read as Steve Martin, circa 1970s).

Actually, these topics are so closely related I thought they would go
well together. Salt 'n pepper. Since over 30 posters voiced no
objection, many contributing to the concept, I guess I haven't done
anything too terrible. Hijack? Really? Is that what your best
judgement told you I was trying to do?

So, to sum it all up: Oy.

BW


col.st...@gmail.com

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Jul 14, 2007, 8:15:35 AM7/14/07
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Well, I don't know *exactly* what was to blame here, the head, the
8x10 or the crappy PA, but I was playing a benefit show back in the
stone age through a borrowed Big Bertha and it sounded like I had gas,
and not the good kind.

Starbuck

Phunklyn

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Jul 15, 2007, 1:41:00 PM7/15/07
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Worst: My first, an Alamo Fury 15" combo in the 70s. Just nothing to
it. No volume, no tone.
Best: I'll cast my lot with an AMP BH-420 and nearly any cabinet in
the world with working speakers. All volume, all tone.

Edward G.
Baltimore, MD

On Jul 9, 5:26 am, timbo <t...@nospam-number26.org> wrote:

> as per the subject, what's the worst bass amp you've ever played through? On
> saturday night, played at a Brisbane rock'n'roll club dance where backline
> was provided. Bass amp was a 15" combo setup with (i think) "rex" on on the
> front. looked on the back, it said 88watts. gaa! tried to run it at low
> volume with a DI through the PA - didnt sound bad, but three songs into the
> first set - smoke! i killed it! had to do the rest of the gig with less
> than ideal bass through foldback. was a good gig, but i couldn't hear myself
> properly for some time...
>

wytfel

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The worst was a Gibson Thor
I was always a "the sound is in the fingers" guy until I played that thing

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