Help! Blown speaker? (and advice on Peavey speakers)
dan berkowitz
>2) My combo is a Peavey TNT160. I know Peavey do a range of replacement
>speakers such as Black Widow etc. Can any Peavey afficionados out there
>advise on the different types?
Peavey is the only company I know of with a cheap solution for a blown
speaker. Their speakers have replaceable baskets that will cost you
around $40. This is much less than replacing the whole speaker.
-Dan Berkowitz
Iowa City, Iowa
Andy Smith
1) My bass combo has started sounding fuzzy, even at REALLY low volume.
I use a little distortion but this is different. Someone told me I've
blown the speaker coil so I need to get a new cone. Could this be true?
Someone else told me I could test the speaker by pushing the cone in -
if it makes a sound when it moves the coil is dislodged or something - I
did this and it makes a kind of scratchy sound. If anyone can give me
advice or tell me whether this information is true I'd be really
grateful.
2) My combo is a Peavey TNT160. I know Peavey do a range of replacement
speakers such as Black Widow etc. Can any Peavey afficionados out there
advise on the different types?
Thanks a lot
Andy :)
Eivind Brendryen
>From: Andy Smith <an...@gdf.ag.rl.ac.uk>
>Subject: Help! Blown speaker? (and advice on Peavey speakers)
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:34:07 +0000
The Peavey speakers/replacements are very cheap, but try to avoid sending bass
sound through a Black Widow, it sounds awful....
Eivind
Chris Friedrich
>From: Andy Smith <an...@gdf.ag.rl.ac.uk>
>Subject: Help! Blown speaker? (and advice on Peavey speakers)
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:34:07 +0000
>I have two questions really:
>1) My bass combo has started sounding fuzzy, even at REALLY low volume.
>I use a little distortion but this is different. Someone told me I've
>blown the speaker coil so I need to get a new cone. Could this be true?
>Someone else told me I could test the speaker by pushing the cone in -
>if it makes a sound when it moves the coil is dislodged or something - I
>did this and it makes a kind of scratchy sound. If anyone can give me
>advice or tell me whether this information is true I'd be really
>grateful.
>2) My combo is a Peavey TNT160. I know Peavey do a range of replacement
>speakers such as Black Widow etc. Can any Peavey afficionados out there
>advise on the different types?
>Thanks a lot
>Andy :)
I have an old TNT cab into which I installed SEVERAL Black Widows. I've blown
two of them the second one last night.
The music store I where I purchased the first one saw on their data base that
it wasn't even a year old and gave me new basket.
I hope you're as lucky.
Tony Knight
You might not have blown the speaker, they make scratchy noises when
you push them anyway.
IF IT AINT BROKE. DON'T FIX IT.
Just a thought.
|\/|att
john o
>From: Andy Smith <an...@gdf.ag.rl.ac.uk>
>Subject: Help! Blown speaker? (and advice on Peavey speakers)
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:34:07 +0000
>1) My bass combo has started sounding fuzzy, even at REALLY low volume.
>Andy :)
Hi Andy, one note: I own a Peavey Combo 300 and every now and then I get the
same problem but..... it's never the speaker. the problem is always a solder
connection on a coil or choke in your compression section of the amp.
when the connection breaks no matter what the volume it sounds like the
speaker is blown.
check it out.
odess.
Nick Smith
Andy Smith <an...@gdf.ag.rl.ac.uk> wrote:
>I have two questions really:
>
>1) My bass combo has started sounding fuzzy, even at REALLY low volume.
Nick Smith
>In article <310E64...@rl.ac.uk> Andy Smith <an...@gdf.ag.rl.ac.uk> writes:
>>From: Andy Smith <an...@gdf.ag.rl.ac.uk>
>>Subject: Help! Blown speaker? (and advice on Peavey speakers)
>>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:34:07 +0000
>.
>>Andy :)
>
> Hi Andy, one note: I own a Peavey Combo 300 and every now and then I get the
>same problem but..... it's never the speaker. the problem is always a solder
>connection on a coil or choke in your compression section of the amp.
>when the connection breaks no matter what the volume it sounds like the
>speaker is blown.
>
>check it out.
>
>odess.
>
>
Jeffrey L. Suits
>
>1) My bass combo has started sounding fuzzy,
A thought: do you use a bass w/ active electronics? If so, check the
battery(ies). Yuo *might* luck out...
Jeffrey
Kyler Gien
>
> Andy Smith <an...@gdf.ag.rl.ac.uk> writes:
> >speakers such as Black Widow etc. Can any Peavey afficionados out there
> >advise on the different types?
> Peavey is the only company I know of with a cheap solution for a blown
> around $40. This is much less than replacing the whole speaker.
But it is still a peavy speaker. Check out the Carvin catalog (you
aren't a real musician if you don't get that). They've got a the
standard sized speakers (8,10,15) and one of those should fit. If I
remember right, the 15 inch was around 80 bux. They also sound better
than the BW's and scorpians. But the cabinet itself is more than
adequete. You could drop a peavey cab off of the sears tower and it
would still work. But going to a different brand of speaker will
result in a noticable difference in sound, usually.
Hyade Jones
says:
>
>I have two questions really:
>
>blown the speaker coil so I need to get a new cone. Could this be true?
>Someone else told me I could test the speaker by pushing the cone in -
>if it makes a sound when it moves the coil is dislodged or something - I
>did this and it makes a kind of scratchy sound. If anyone can give me
>advice or tell me whether this information is true I'd be really
>grateful.
>
>2) My combo is a Peavey TNT160. I know Peavey do a range of replacement
>advise on the different types?
>
>Andy :)
I have two 18 inch Black Widow subs, they started making the same
sort of noises you describe. (distort even at low volume and make
scratching noises when you move the voice coil) The problem with mine was
that the magnets and the baskets are bolted together with only three 1/4
inch bolts! If this wasn't flimsy enough there is no way for the baskets
to stay in alignment. After you play them loud for a while and generally
bang them around when moving them from gig to gig they will move. Any way
the voice coils will rub against the magnets, Thats the scratching you
hear.
If you have replaceable baskets you can re-align them yourself by
unbolting them and looking for the spot on the winding (on the basket)
where they are rubbing, and re-installing them so they don't. You can
test them first by moving the cone back and forth... no scratch you're in
buisness. If the coil is burned or worn through to the bare wires,junk
them! On second thought junk them anyway when you can and replace them
with good drivers. I am going to replace mine with Electro Voice when I
can afford it/or when they start buzzing again.
I used to really like Peavey equipment. Maybe I'm getting old and
picky or their quality control is slipping. I'm not sure
Good luck!
Hayde
I speak for no one but Myself.
Kyler Gien
John Deal
EV or something. I would not doubt that the EVs are better drivers (and cost
more so they should be) but my understanding that the cabinet is tuned to the
speaker to be used so I assumed that let's say I replace a BW with a EV the
EV would be running under less than ideal situation. Is that correct?
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>Several people have suggested that people replace there BW speakers with
>EV or something. I would not doubt that the EVs are better drivers (and cost
>more so they should be) but my understanding that the cabinet is tuned to the
>speaker to be used so I assumed that let's say I replace a BW with a EV the
>EV would be running under less than ideal situation. Is that correct?
>--
Normally, yes. Most good speaker cabinets are designed for drivers
that fall within certain specifications. However, we are talking a
Peavey TNT combo - anything is an improvement.
Supernaut
|> Several people have suggested that people replace there BW speakers with
|> EV or something. I would not doubt that the EVs are better drivers (and cost
|> more so they should be) but my understanding that the cabinet is tuned to the
|> speaker to be used so I assumed that let's say I replace a BW with a EV the
|> EV would be running under less than ideal situation. Is that correct?
|> --
|>
|> # John Deal - jd...@xyplex.com (508) 952-4837 #
|> ##################################################################
|>
The answer is the proverbial it depends. If the specs for the
speaker (Qts, Vas, fs, etc. not power rating, ohmage) are the same, then the
cabinet will work with any brand. Just make sure the tech specs are
close to identical for optimal performance.
IMHO, although I like the EV cabs that I have, I don't see that the
BW's in the Peavey are any less a speaker. Unless you are a tech junkie
and get into the nitty gritty details of why your cab works, I'd just
replace them with the BW speakers that came with them.
Just my $0.02.
Later
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In article <DMDG8...@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Supernaut <pw...@pandora.ee.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>In article <4f5rj9$1...@xap.xyplex.com>, John Deal <jdeal> writes:
>|> Several people have suggested that people replace there BW speakers with
>|> EV or something. I would not doubt that the EVs are better drivers (and cost
>|> more so they should be) but my understanding that the cabinet is tuned to the
>|> speaker to be used so I assumed that let's say I replace a BW with a EV the
>|> EV would be running under less than ideal situation. Is that correct?
>|> --
>|>
>|> ##################################################################
>|> # John Deal - jd...@xyplex.com (508) 952-4837 #
>|> ##################################################################
>|>
>
>The answer is the proverbial it depends. If the specs for the
>speaker (Qts, Vas, fs, etc. not power rating, ohmage) are the same, then the
>cabinet will work with any brand. Just make sure the tech specs are
>close to identical for optimal performance.
>
>IMHO, although I like the EV cabs that I have, I don't see that the
>BW's in the Peavey are any less a speaker. Unless you are a tech junkie
>and get into the nitty gritty details of why your cab works, I'd just
>replace them with the BW speakers that came with them.
>
This is good advice for this particular amp. I have a TNT160 and I'm sure that
the speaker is 4 ohms. The amplifier is rated at 160 watts RMS into 4
ohms and has no provision for extension speakers (i.e. no external speaker
jacks), so I expect that it must be 4 ohms. If you look on the back panel
of the amplifier you will see a note (at least mine has this note) something
to the effect of "Power rating 160 watts (25.4 volts into 4 ohms)" ,
which means (25.4 v)^2 / 4 = 160 watts. Most replacement speakers like
the EV that I've seen are 8 ohm speakers. Unless you can find a 4 ohm version
of one of these, you'll loose some power and probably wind up with something
between 75 - 100 watts (I'm ignoring relative efficiency numbers here).
The original replacement is probably the best bet.
By the way my amp has a Scorpion speaker, not a BW.
--
Gerald T. Caracciolo
Matsushita Applied Research Labs.
95D Conneticut Drive e-mail: ge...@marl.research.panasonic.com
Burlington, NJ 08016
Andy Smith
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who's sent me advice on this. I've had a
lot of useful information from a lot of people, so thanks!
BTW, to the guy who said
> IF IT AINT BROKE. DON'T FIX IT.
It is broke, and I'm fixing it!
And to the guy who said
> If it ain't broke, you ain't playing loud and hard enough.
I am and it is... :-)
As a side issue, can anyone tell me whether using a lot of distortion (i.e.
high input gain on the amp, as opposed to pedals) endangers the speaker. Or
can I throw pretty much anything at it so long as the compressor light isn't
flashing "overload" at me all the time?
Thanks again
Andy :-)
Scotto
>As a side issue, can anyone tell me whether using a lot of distortion (i.e.
>high input gain on the amp, as opposed to pedals) endangers the speaker. Or
>can I throw pretty much anything at it so long as the compressor light isn't
>flashing "overload" at me all the time?
It depends on the distortion. If we're talking about so-called square
wave distortion you're gonna be hosed. The briefest amount of square wave
signal can wreak havoc on a speaker cone, sometimes even when the volume
isn't cranked up too high. Square waves are rarely the result of
overdrive or distortion pedals or pre-amps, which usually make so-called
sawtooth rounder or sawtooth waves. Square waves are usually what
you get when your amp is overloading. When you're pushing your amp to where
it's green lights begin to flash red (this is the usual set up), that's
when you're probably in danger of doing this. If you don't have an overload
indicator or only have one on your input or something, well, you'll have
to be careful. The tough thing is that square wave distortion isn't
always easily audible. Depending on the original tone. this distortion
may be masked in your sound and you may not notice it.
I understand those aluminum foil speakers in the Hartkes ;) really take a
beating from square waves. Like, they tear open and stuff! Ouch!
Scotto
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