SWR Workingman's 4 x 10 vs Goliath III

[Lowman]

Here's my problem. I want to buy this Workingman's 4 x 10. I love the sound AND the dealer lost his SWR franchise so he's blowing them out. I can get a brand new one in a box for $300.00 !!! I already have an SWR SM 400 to put on top of it.

 

I'm ashamed to admit that I'm thinking of not buying it just because it's not a Goliath. I've tried the Goliath, and I don't really hear a big difference. I'm a straight forward finger picker laying down the foundation for a large R&B band. I concentrate on the space between the notes. I know the Goliath is 700 watts @ 8 ohms, but a 400 watt 4 x10 like the WM is nothing to turn your nose up at.

 

The SWR web site is kinda cryptic on the details. Who manufacturers the speakers for the Goliath and who manufactures them for the Workingmans? Does anyone out there play a Workingman's 4 x10? If so.. how is it? Do I really need a 700 watt 4 x 10 if I'm always giging with a first rate sound company?

[Tiger]

For $300, you should pick up that cabinet based solely on the fact that it's $300!  I have the Workingman's 4x10 (which I paid $720 for) with a Son of Bertha 1x15 and I have no problems with either.  But going back to the 4x10, it handles itself very well.  I never have problems with it distorting, or bottoming out.  I don't know exactly what the differences between the Goliath and the Workingman's 4x10 are, besides power rating and weight, but it's worth it to you to buy that cab.  And if it really bothers you that much, call SWR and have them send you a speaker grill for a Goliath III  :)

 

 

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[greg g]

Dude,

  No matter how low the price, I would stay away from the workingman 410.  I bought one used, and at really low volumes, it sounds ok, but when I turn up the volume, it sounds muddy and rattles.  I'm thinking about trading it in for something else, probably an Ampeg 410, or possibly some 210 and a 115.  BTW, I use an Ampeg svt3-pro head. 
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Lowman <low...@angelfireNOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:YkJs4.1341$7_2.1...@typhoon2.gnilink.net...Here's my problem. I want to buy this Workingman's 4 x 10. I love the sound AND the dealer lost his SWR franchise so he's blowing them out. I can get a brand new one in a box for $300.00 !!! I already have an SWR SM 400 to put on top of it.I'm ashamed to admit that I'm thinking of not buying it just because it's not a Goliath. I've tried the Goliath, and I don't really hear a big difference. I'm a straight forward finger picker laying down the foundation for a large R&B band. I concentrate on the space between the notes. I know the Goliath is 700 watts @ 8 ohms, but a 400 watt 4 x10 like the WM is nothing to turn your nose up at.The SWR web site is kinda cryptic on the details. Who manufacturers the speakers for the Goliath and who manufactures them for the Workingmans? Does anyone out there play a Workingman's 4 x10? If so.. how is it? Do I really need a 700 watt 4 x 10 if I'm always giging with a first rate sound company?

[Tiger]

That's interesting...  Mine sounds great, no matter what the volume, and I'm using a GK 800RB and a Pedulla Rapture 5 string bass.

greg g <gge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:890te2$3dd$1...@netnews.upenn.edu...

[oInTe]

I talked to a sales drone at Guitar Center and he said there were a few
differences.

The ones I remember are:

1. Goliath III has cast-iron speakers whereas the Workingman's 4X10 has
"punched" speakers.
Basically this means the Goliath III is heavier and more solid.
2. Goliath III has a variable "high boost/cut" knob in the back. The
Workingman's has just a "tweeter on/off" switch.

3. And of course the Goliath III has that groovy chrome grille.

If anyone has anything else to add, please feel free.

-oInTe

[Tiger]

No, I think you about said it all with the "groovy chrome grill".

Actually, according to the website (www.swreng.com) it has these differences
also.

1. Golliath III has a "Foster Horn" and Workingman's is a cheap piezo
tweeter.
2. Golliath III has a horn protection circuit, WM's does not.
3. Golliath III has "speakon jacks" and WM's doesn't.
4. Golliath III - 700 watts, WM's - 400 watts
5. Golliath III - 89 lbs, WM's - 97 lbs (that's surprising)
6. And of course, as Michael Tobias put it, "the new chrome grills are
bitchin".

Hope this helps...

oInTe <bill...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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[Nielsen_Philip]

oInTe (bill...@microsoft.com) wrote:
: I talked to a sales drone at Guitar Center and he said there were a few
: differences.

: The ones I remember are:

: 1. Goliath III has cast-iron speakers whereas the Workingman's 4X10 has
: "punched" speakers.

The SWR site states that the Workingman's drivers are cast frame.

: Basically this means the Goliath III is heavier and more solid.

The SWR site spec's Workingman's at 97 pounds and GoliathIII at 89 pounds.

: 2. Goliath III has a variable "high boost/cut" knob in the back. The

: Workingman's has just a "tweeter on/off" switch.

The Workingmans has a piezo tweeter, while GoliathIII has a Foster horn.
The Goliath knob is an attenuator only; variable cut but not boost.

: 3. And of course the Goliath III has that groovy chrome grille.

Don't forget the casters 8^).

GoliathIII also has SpeakOn connectors in addition to the 1/4" jacks.

GoliathIII is rated 700W RMS, Workingman's is rated 400W RMS. Goliath's
frequency response spec is -3dB @ 40Hz and 15KHz. No spec provided for
Workingman's.

Whew!...Phil

[steve]

cast-iron!? i'm pretty sure you meant cast-aluminum! :-) i'd
hate to imagine how heavy a 4x10 cabinet with cast-iron speakers
would be!

steve

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[oInTe]

>cast-iron!? i'm pretty sure you meant cast-aluminum!

Well they were cast something... ;-p

-oInTe

[prefect]

Buy the cab. You'll love it. I don't slap either. I have the SM 400 and use the "suggested studio setting" right out of the owners manual with a WM 410. Sounds great.

 

BUT:

 

One day I brought my axe to a music store to be repaired. While I was waiting for the repairman, I decided to kill some time and plugged into a WM 4004 which was sitting on top of a WM 4 x10.

 

I was shocked by how boxy it sounded. I had to conclude that the EQ on the WM 4004 sucks, or, the WM 410 just needs more power to sound good or both.

 

I guess you just need a good head on it. The guy above who's using a GK 800 loves the sound. As for the guy who brought a used one and says it rattles - that sounds like a damaged cabinet, maybe dropped before he brought it.

[MDrive4]

Better buy it. You'll be plenty loud. And that's cheap. The tweeter is not
as good. Big deal.

Edward