Huge questions about Yamaha EMX5014C mixer
JoeSpareBedroom
Yamaha tech support about this. (Yes, I asked before buying, but I'm still
in doubt). The new mixer's sitting on my dining room table looking very
promising.
Need to have SEPARATE volume control for mains run by internal amp, and
monitors running on external amp. The manual (page 24 in PDF file) says:
"ST SUB OUT Jacks:
These unbalanced phone jacks output the mixed stereo signal (L and R), where
the level is adjusted by the Master Control section's ST SUB OUT control.
You would typically use these jacks to connect to an external mixer or a
supplementary SR system."
Great. But, if the slider for those jacks is adjusting line level signal to
the external amp, what is adjusting volume for the mixer's internal amp (to
the mains)? The sliders for the individual channels?
A second option appears to be this (from page 22 of the PDF):
"AUX1, AUX2
These unbalanced phone jack outputs monaural monitor signals from the AUX1
and AUX2 buses, respectively. You use these jacks, for example, to connect
to an effector or to a cue box or other such monitoring system."
AND
"AUX1/2 Controls
Each knob adjusts the level of the effected sound into the corresponding
AUX1 and AUX2 buses."
Owner's manual at link below. Any help would be appreciated. I can't test my
theory until Wednesday night when my singer brings over our monitors. It
would help to know today whether I have to make contingency (rental) plans
for a gig on Friday. May as well ship this thing back to GC fast if it won't
do the trick.
http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/pa/english/mixers/emx5014c_en_om_c0.pdf
Thanks for the assistance.
Brian Running
> Need to have SEPARATE volume control for mains run by internal amp, and
> monitors running on external amp.
Use Aux 1 for monitors. Set levels with each channel's Aux 1 level
control, run the Aux 1 outputs to the power amp for the monitors.
JoeSpareBedroom
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OK. Now, let's unsimplify things: Two monitors will be at stage front. One
will be next to drummer, who I'm guessing will want a totally different
volume level. Maybe use AUX 2 just for his monitor?
Or?
Brian Running
Sure, if you don't need that other aux send for something else, like
effects. Go ahead and use it for a separate monitor mix, that's why
it's there.
JoeSpareBedroom
OK. The manual seems to assume that the user's already well-versed in a lot
of this. Obviously, I'm not. The AUX channels appear to be a "use your
imagination" feature.
jakdedert
by doing. I'm a mix. I can usually suss out a piece of gear by
'doing'; but it helps to have read the manual either before or after.
Without doing any research, I'd posit that the answer is right in front
of you.
IOW: hook it up and see. Connect a powered speaker to the various
outputs--and source to one of the channel inputs--and fiddle around with
it...although I think there's probably a signal flow diagram somewhere
in the manual that will give you the same info.
jak
JoeSpareBedroom
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We don't own a powered speaker, and I can't try out anything until
Wednesday. I learn three different ways. I was hoping to accelerate one of
those ways today (before Wednesday).
RDOGuy
right-most slide pot) controls the level to the speaker outputs and
the line level stereo output. This is mentioned on page 26, in note
47. Then there is ALSO a stereo sub out control (aka ST SUB out - a
rotary pot located above the stereo master) that controls ONLY the the
signal to the line level stereo sub out jacks. This is on page 25,
note 43.
Note that the speaker outputs, the line level stereo and stereo sub
outs all get the same mix... but yes, with the stereo master and the
stereo sub out control, you could have individual level control. The
stereo master would control the unit's internal amplifier, and the
stereo sub out would control the external amplifier. Neither has any
effect on the other.
Good luck!
John
TS
I find the manual for my multi digital recorder
incomprehensible...FWIW.
TS
jakdedert
computer you're looking at. With appropriate adapters, it makes a fine
signal tracer. It may not be hifi, but it's sufficient to the task.
All you need is a source.
Otherwise, use your stereo system. No stereo system? You're in the
wrong business....
jak
jak
The BorgMan
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Bingo.
Easiest and fastes solution... it'll also let you know if the manual is
actually correct.
--
Aaron
JoeSpareBedroom
If I could've cancelled last night's practice, and today's work (as in "day
job"), and gotten UPS to deliver the new mixer before I ordered it, I
might've had time to gather the various wires & adaptors. Sadly, none of
these things were possible.
So, I resorted to the pansy-ass solution: Thinking about stuff and asking
for advice.
jakdedert
*before* you bothered to mention you didn't have the mixer....
jak
JoeSpareBedroom
I have speakers. I have loads of wire. I don't have unused 1/4" or Speakon
plugs around the house at the moment.
You'll get over it. Matter of fact, you ARE over it, beginning now.
jakdedert
jak
JoeSpareBedroom
Sober up. I have the mixer.
Mal
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> Product page:http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail/0...
Sorry; didn't have time to look through all the other replies so this
has prob'ly been answered.
Yes you can. I have the EMX5000 which is very somilar.
Switch the output amp to "aux1/mono". Plug the FOH speakers into
output B on the back of the amp - this is a speaker level output.
Run a line from the Aux 1 jack out (on the top right hand corner of
the front panel) into your monitor amp This output is line level.
Individual channel monitor level is controlled by the Aux 1 knob on
each channel and the overall level by the Aux 1 fader (sorry if I'm
being real obvious here). If you want two monitor sends, just do the
same with the Aux 2 jack.
Benj
> So, I resorted to the pansy-ass solution: Thinking about stuff and asking
> for advice.
Thinking is OK, but asking for advice? Hmmm.
Oh wait, I'm the guy who said that if you want to learn how to do
something have someone who already knows how show you. I have no
experience with the mixer in question that that lets me off the hook
as someone who already knows how.
Mal
If you're only running 1 monitor send, you can power monitors as well
as the FOH from the EMX to save carting another power amp. From memory
it'll go down to 4 ohms so you could run a couple of 8 ohm wedges.
To do this, instead of plugging the aux 1 out into a power amp then
your wedges, plug the speaker level output, from output A on the back
of the head, straight into your foldback speakers
The BorgMan
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>>>>> m_c0.pdf
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>>>>> Product page:
>>>>> http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail
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Man... doesn't everyone just have giant box of cables, wires, adaptors,
and power supplies sitting in their house?
--
Aaron
Dave Curtis
In the gig case; garage.
jakdedert
I could probably walk into the shop in my spare bedroom and get a cable
to interface nearly anything with anything else. If I didn't have the
cable, I'd have the adaptors. If I didn't have the adaptors, I'd have
the connectors and a soldering iron.
Failing all that, I could splice two cables together.....
jak
The BorgMan
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Heh... I have one in the gig case, another one sitting next to it in the
basement, one in my bedroom, two or three at work...
--
Aaron
pTooner
I think I'll back up and try to answer your original question. You
should have a control (probably rotary) marked "St Sub Out" which
controls the level to the jacks in question. The signal on the internal
buss is controlled by the individual channel levels. That bus is
applied to several places including the Sub out we are talking about.
It is also applied to the master level controls (the sliders probably on
the far right) and those control the internal amp level. In other
words, in mixers of this type the main amps run wide open all the time
and the sliders control the input level to them. I just looked at a
photo of the amp you actually have. The appropriate way to connect a
monitor is to one of the two aux jacks. Each channel has an aux level
control that will control how much of that channel's signal goes to the
aux bus (not the same as the main bus above) Then the aux level control
controls how much level goes out to the monitor amp or powered speaker
which is the same thing. Is that clear?
gerry
JoeSpareBedroom
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Perfectly clear. I combined advice from several people, and your method
(previously mentioned by someone else, too) worked the best. We ended up
with such a clean mix at our gig that about a dozen people emailed us to
comment on how we sounded like an expensive stereo, rather than harsh &
obnoxious like a lot of bands. We didn't tell them it was beginner's luck.
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Derek Tearne
>
> Powered Mixers are GARBAGE. A "smart" person would use an
> unpowered Mixer with powered speakers.Joe is a dumbass after
> all though.
That's some really bizarre behaviour.
--- Derek
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> Calling people names, in response to a 7 year old usenet post...
>
> That's some really bizarre behaviour.
>
> --- Derek