Hartke Aluminum Cone Speakers Question
Sekhar Tangirala
I am considering buying a Hartke 410 cabinet. It has Aluminum cone
speakers and I was wondering if anybody could tell me the pros and cons
of Aluminum cones. Also, does anyone have an opinion about the 410XL
Vs. 410TP.
Thanks.
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j. Whitely Holmes
I have had a 410 XL for about 5 years and think it is a great cabinet.
They keep getting cheaper, too. The aluminum cones make for a very birght
sound, although there is plenty of low end as wel (better than some 15s).
The only con that I have heard of is that you shouldn't play the speakers
when they are cold, but let them warm up to room temp. Don't really know
much about it, just what the store guy told me.
I wouldn't bother with a 410 TP. They sound pretty weak. If I had it all
to do over again, I'd get the 4.5 cab. It is less than I paid for my 410
and is supposed to have an extended range.
j
Jeffrey Mondick
Sekhar Tangirala <sh...@quark.arl.psu.edu> wrote:
Go for the 410XL. I wasn't pleased with the TP sound at all. I
owned a Hartke about 7 years ago - after blowing a speaker 3 times, i
sold it. I heard they have gotten better, FWIW...
jeff
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Sekhar Tangirala wrote:
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> I am considering buying a Hartke 410 cabinet. It has Aluminum cone
> speakers and I was wondering if anybody could tell me the pros and cons
> of Aluminum cones. Also, does anyone have an opinion about the 410XL
> Vs. 410TP.
>
> Thanks.
>
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> Sekhar Tangirala
> sh...@quark.arl.psu.edu
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I have been using the Hartke 410XL professionally for the last 6 years
and it is still going strong...I highly recommend it. I have also used
it in several outdoor shows in sub zero temps and have experienced no
problems, I am not sure that there is any reason to warm them up.
Two Cents Worth
If your playing professionally then make sure your tech has extra speakers
in his bag of tricks or better yet get a spare cabinet...joe music store guy
in most towns dosn't stock replacements for em and if your stuck on "your
sound" you'll be in trouble.
Artistically speaking..they sound cool as shit!!!!..I wouldn't be caught
dead playing in sub zero temps(or expose my bass to that) so I don't know
about the warm up thingy.
Oh tech boy....did you read that manual? Was there a manual? Wheres my
bass!?!? I feel a groove being born!
"Hot summer nights...." I love a solid E string groove!
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Sekhar Tangirala wrote:
>
> I am considering buying a Hartke 410 cabinet. It has Aluminum cone
> speakers and I was wondering if anybody could tell me the pros and cons
> of Aluminum cones. Also, does anyone have an opinion about the 410XL
> Vs. 410TP.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Sekhar Tangirala
> sh...@quark.arl.psu.edu
I used to have Hartke 210XL and 215XL cabs. They sounded great, but
trying to get a new 15" speaker was a major hassle. Hartke wouldn't
just send me a new speaker... I had to send my blown one to them first
so they could recone it (the first one took 3 months). If you get
Hartke, don't bother with the TP series... the speakers aren't as good
as the XL series.
In any case, I liked the sound of the Hartke's (very clear... even on
the low end), but not the service. FWIW, I got an Ampeg 410HLF as a
replacement and it has a warm yet punchy tone.
Dave
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Chris Brunhaver
I think the whole discussion of speaker cone material is a little banal
at times. I have found that you do want to have a stiff, light, dampened cone
material, but all these kevlar, fiberglass or composite cones don't make much
of a difference. Some poeple say that they think that metal, e.g. aluminum,
magnesium, coned driver sound harsh, or have a ringing sound to them, but in my
experience, that is a false statement. The woofers are treated with a
dampening material. A treated paper cone is still one of the best kinds, and
it has been around the longest. The whole point of this is not to get caught
up in marketing B.S. like "transient Response", because a different cone
material does not , in my experience, have any sharper transients.
Michael Riehle
I've never used 'em, though I've played through 'em. I don't like the
sound -- kind of bright and brittle. But it works for some people.
But the real reason I'll never by Hartke is the number of ex-Hartke
users I know. And they all switched to something else for the same
reason: reliability. The aluminum-cone cabinets, in particular, have a
reputation for dying when transported in cold weather and then played at
room temperature.
In article <350FDBD3...@quark.arl.psu.edu> on Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:36:03 -0500 Sekhar Tangirala (sh...@quark.arl.psu.edu) wrote:
: I am considering buying a Hartke 410 cabinet. It has Aluminum cone
: speakers and I was wondering if anybody could tell me the pros and cons
: of Aluminum cones. Also, does anyone have an opinion about the 410XL
: Vs. 410TP.
: Thanks.
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: sh...@quark.arl.psu.edu
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john chang-eun cha
I've heard mixed things about them. I have heard that except for the fact
that they are aluminum, they aren't much better than paper cone speakers.
The sound of the hartke cones are...metallic. However, if you ever have
to play in a rainy place where transporting amps in and out of the rain is
necessary, aluminum cones don't get damaged. I personally think that SWR
and Trace Elliots are better.
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Not so! The Hartke had the nicest mellowest sound of all the amps I tried
(took MY BASS with me). fender, and all the rest were not as mellow.
>
>I've heard mixed things about them. I have heard that except for the fact
>that they are aluminum, they aren't much better than paper cone speakers.
>The sound of the hartke cones are...metallic.
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john chang-eun cha <joh...@leland.Stanford.EDU> writes:
>
>I've heard mixed things about them. I have heard that except for the fact
>that they are aluminum, they aren't much better than paper cone speakers.
Better is a pretty subjective thing. They definitely are NOT tougher.
(think of cigarette foil vs. thick cardboard)
>The sound of the hartke cones are...metallic.
I beg to differ. They sound quite clean. Wanna buy mine, BTW?
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Dave J.G.
> >I've heard mixed things about them. I have heard that except for the fact
> >that they are aluminum, they aren't much better than paper cone speakers.
>
> Better is a pretty subjective thing. They definitely are NOT tougher.
> (think of cigarette foil vs. thick cardboard)
The aluminum cone speakers are subject to metal fatigue ( microscopic cracks that
propagate when the speaker is stressed ). If you push them too hard for too long,
they will completely shread between the cone and the coil. Not a pretty sight. I
have heard many, many cases of people blowing their Hartke speakers and relatively
few cases of blowing others. I wouldn't rely on a Hartke cabinet at a gig if you
paid me.
Dave
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Breeuw
Dave J.G. heeft geschreven in bericht <01bda387$f2dfaf20$6cace5cf@dave>...
Not a pretty sight. I
>have heard many, many cases of people blowing their Hartke speakers and
relatively few cases of blowing others. I wouldn't rely on a Hartke cabinet
at a gig if you paid me.
>
> Dave
Well Dave I've got some disturbing news for you: People ARE paying me and
lots of others for gigs, BTW +/- 2 times a week in wich I 'm pushing the
utmost out of my Hartke 410 XL.
Never had 1 problem(!) so it must be in the way you use your gear.
Bootsy
Eric H
Coupla things, Bootsy.
1. He's stating his opinion, which he is entitled to do (after all, he
and the rest of us were asked, hm?), so there is no need to be insulting.
2. He never said he shreaded gear. He said he had seen it happen and,
from the sound of it, on more than one occasion.
3. I'm so glad you are proud of your 2 night a week gig. I wish I got
that much time off when I was gigging hard (188 gigs in 35 weeks, 5 sets
a night), so calm down and take the smart-ass edge off. No matter what,
there's always someone else out here that's done more than you (or me).
4. I too have seen Hartke drivers shread (no, not mine, I wouldn't own
one) and Hartke amps blow. I too have the impression that Hartke gear in
general tends to fry or otherwise not work more often than many other
brands. There are worse, though. I freely admit this was not a
scientific statistical sampling. It is an impression.
Have a nice day.
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Dave J.G.
> Well Dave I've got some disturbing news for you: People ARE paying me and
> lots of others for gigs, BTW +/- 2 times a week in wich I 'm pushing the
> utmost out of my Hartke 410 XL.
>
> Never had 1 problem(!) so it must be in the way you use your gear.
Could be. I play very agressively and with a low B string. Although, I stopped
using the Hartke for anything other than a practice amp a long time ago. It was one
of the first models from when they first came out. Maybe the drivers weren't made
as well back then.
Regardless, that cabinet has been nothing but a total pain in the ass for me. You
want it? $150 with one blown speaker.
Dave
Michael Riehle
In article <6nbhul$cgd$1...@news.worldonline.nl> on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:31:02 +0200 Breeuw (Boo...@worldonline.nl) wrote:
: Dave J.G. heeft geschreven in bericht <01bda387$f2dfaf20$6cace5cf@dave>...
: Not a pretty sight. I
: >have heard many, many cases of people blowing their Hartke speakers and
: relatively few cases of blowing others. I wouldn't rely on a Hartke cabinet
: at a gig if you paid me.
: >
: > Dave
: Well Dave I've got some disturbing news for you: People ARE paying me and
: lots of others for gigs, BTW +/- 2 times a week in wich I 'm pushing the
: utmost out of my Hartke 410 XL.
: Never had 1 problem(!) so it must be in the way you use your gear.
Sorry, no. You may be doing alright, but I've met far too many
ex-Hartke users to call it anything but luck. Almost all of them
replaced their Hartke equipment with SWR, GK, Eden or Ampeg because of
problems with reliability. A few just decided they didn't like the
sound.
The problems were definitely not isolated to the speaker cabinets
either. I've heard complaints about the heads ranging from cold solder
joints to simply burning them up.
I was lucky, I ran into these people before I bought any Hartke
equipment.
Dave J.G.
> 1. He's stating his opinion, which he is entitled to do (after all, he
> and the rest of us were asked, hm?), so there is no need to be insulting.
Thanks for the defense. However, I understand how someone would get a little miffed
if someone had insulted their gear. He's probably a decent guy even though his tone
( no pun intended ) was a little insulting.
> 2. He never said he shreaded gear. He said he had seen it happen and,
> from the sound of it, on more than one occasion.
Actually, I have blown 3 of the speakers in my cabinet. I had two of them fixed but
I was so sick of the damn thing I didn't bother getting the other one fixed and
just used it as a practice amp. I picked up a Trace Elliot 18 which had the bottom
for my low-B and had a remarkable amount of high-end too. Shortly after I got my
Hartke, I had heard of people blowing speakers in those things. I then saw it for
myself. =8^O
> brands. There are worse, though. I freely admit this was not a
> scientific statistical sampling. It is an impression.
It was a scientific statistical sampling ... with an error margin of +/- 100%. :-)
We've all had our say. I didn't mean to get anyone pissed at me and I don't want
anybody to get pissed at anyone else. I was just expressing my observations and
frustrations that I had with that amp. The thing that gets me about it is that it
wasn't even my idea to get it. My guitarist wanted me to have some high-end gear
and thought that the 410XL was the 'thing' to get. I spent 5 years paying him back
for it and regretted it the whole time. I liked my humungous Jaco-like Acoustic
cabinet. I wouldn't want to run into one of those in a dark alley.
We're all bassists here we should get along, right? It's not like he's a drummer or
something. :-p ( just kidding )
Dave
P.S.
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Dan Hildebrand
Not that I want to get involved in any flames, but I did have an experience with a
Hartke cab and I'll give my two cents.
This was about 2 years ago. I was at Manny's or Sam Ash on 48th street in Manhattan
and I hooked into the Hartke
410. After about 10 seconds the cone started fluttering violently and the noise coming
from the cab made one of the
guys there run over and turn it off. I never looked at a Hartke cab after that.
In fairness to Hartke, though, it's been a couple of years. They might have solved
problems like this a long time ago.
Eric H
Dave J.G. wrote:
<SNIP>
> My guitarist wanted me to have some high-end gear
> and thought that the 410XL was the 'thing' to get. I spent 5 years
> paying him back for it and regretted it the whole time. I liked my
> humungous Jaco-like Acoustic cabinet. I wouldn't want to run into one
> of those in a dark alley.
>
> We're all bassists here we should get along, right? It's not like he's
> a drummer or something. :-p ( just kidding )
>
> Dave
>
> Q: What's the difference between a drum machine and a real drummer?
> A: You only have to punch the beat into the drum machine once.
>
> Q: What do you call a drummer who just broke up with his girlfriend?
> A: Homeless.
Your guitarist does something like that to you and you're telling DRUMMER
jokes? I'd hate to have known your drummer.
So anyway, how can you tell if the stage is level? The drummer drools
out of both sides of his mouth.
Isn't that just like a guitarist? He's thinkin' about flash gear and
you're thinkin' about sound. That's why most musicians in the PA
business are bass players.
LIKE ME!!!!!!!
Dave J.G.
> Your guitarist does something like that to you and you're telling DRUMMER
> jokes? I'd hate to have known your drummer.
Q: How do you get a guitarist to turn down?
A: Put a chart in front of him.
I can't think of any more right now. :-)
Dave
frank Marini
HI:
let me throw in my two cents as well.
I have used Hartke equipment for the past 5 yrs, I intially started with
only a Hartke $ X 10 cab (driven by a GK head), and have eventually
changed over(three yrs ago to an all hartke system. I have had no problems
playing (using) the equipment. I use a Hartke 3500 Head and the 1 X 15
bottom cab and the 4 X 10 mid cab. I was playing about 3-5 times weekly,
pushing the limits only a few times, and I have not experienced one
problem withthis stuff.
I personally like the tight punchy tone, and I get a great cut thru the
mix using this stuff...so for me I will stick with it.
However, I did purchase a 2 X 10 extension cab two yrs ago and within 3
months of playing thru it, I started hearing a buzzing from one of the
speakers, I brought it back to the store I purchased it from, their tech
looked at it and discoved two things, 1- loose screws holding the speaker
in place and 2-a bad solder on the same speaker. Tightening the screws
helped but the vibrating noise got progressively worst over the next two
months, and I sold the cab...So I guess its the piece of equipment you
buy, I suspect all companies experience some sort of equipment
malfunction.
frank
s
In article <EvBJL0.BE...@news.trentu.ca>, afog...@ivory.trentu.ca wrote:
> john chang-eun cha <joh...@leland.Stanford.EDU> writes:
> >
> >I've heard mixed things about them. I have heard that except for the fact
> >that they are aluminum, they aren't much better than paper cone speakers.
>
> Better is a pretty subjective thing. They definitely are NOT tougher.
> (think of cigarette foil vs. thick cardboard)
>
Breeuw
Dave J.G. heeft geschreven in bericht <01bda479$f37e9840$96ace5cf@dave>...
|> 1. He's stating his opinion, which he is entitled to do (after all, he
|> and the rest of us were asked, hm?), so there is no need to be insulting.
|
|We've all had our say. I didn't mean to get anyone pissed at me and I don't
want |anybody to get pissed at anyone else. I was just expressing my
observations and |frustrations that I had with that amp. The thing that gets
me about it is that it |wasn't even my idea to get it. My guitarist wanted
me to have some high-end gear
|and thought that the 410XL was the 'thing' to get. I spent 5 years paying
him back
|for it and regretted it the whole time. I liked my humungous Jaco-like
Acoustic |cabinet. I wouldn't want to run into one of those in a dark alley.
|
|We're all bassists here we should get along, right? It's not like he's a
drummer or |something. :-p ( just kidding )
OK dave and Eric,
I did not want to insult anyone and did not take any offence concerning the
drummer joke an sure as hell wasn't insulted about your comments about
Hartke gear. I understand your anger when you bought something you thougt
was a fine piece of equipment and the stuff just broke down.
Point I am making is that there isn't one piece of gear(SWR, Eden etc..) of
which I haven't heard a sad story of. Burning down, blowing up speakers and
so on.
And yes we are all bass players here (I hope ?!) so laying down a solid
groove must be something we have in common.
Funk me,
Bootsy
Timo RuismĢki
>Sorry, no. You may be doing alright, but I've met far too many
>ex-Hartke users to call it anything but luck. Almost all of them
Hmmm. Maybe that's because it is the most common cab...?
BTW I've had my 410XL for ten years by now. Taken it from -30C to indoors
and soon after that played it with my 5 string on the distortion limit and
never had a problem (Once i blew the transistors of my poweramp but it
wasn't a hartke)
>problems with reliability. A few just decided they didn't like the
>sound.
That's the best reason for not buying some equipment 8^)
Breeuw
<CUT>
|pushing the limits only a few times, and I have not experienced one
|problem withthis stuff.
So I guess its the piece of equipment you
|buy, I suspect all companies experience some sort of equipment
|malfunction.
Guys,
I rest my case! ;-)
Bootsy
Michael Riehle
In article <6ncpj3$b0k$1...@baker.cc.tut.fi> on 1 Jul 1998 07:47:47 GMT Timo RuismĚki (rui...@hajoa.tahan.spammeri.paska.cc.tut.fi) wrote:
: >Sorry, no. You may be doing alright, but I've met far too many
: >ex-Hartke users to call it anything but luck. Almost all of them
: Hmmm. Maybe that's because it is the most common cab...?
Nope. Most common cab would be a toss up between the SWR 2x10 and the
SWR 4x10 around here. Actually, the most common cab I see around here
are homebrew 1x15 cabs. Hartke are far from common. Most of the local
dealers have dropped them because of problems with reliability as well.
: BTW I've had my 410XL for ten years by now. Taken it from -30C to indoors
: and soon after that played it with my 5 string on the distortion limit and
: never had a problem (Once i blew the transistors of my poweramp but it
: wasn't a hartke)
: >problems with reliability. A few just decided they didn't like the
: >sound.
: That's the best reason for not buying some equipment 8^)
Well, I agree as far as the cabinet goes to some extent. But I find a
wide range of equipment I can get a good sound from. A very wide range.
So within that range I tend to focus on reliability. Like I said before,
I just have met too many ex-Hartke users.
Others have said that every manufacturer has horror stories told about
them. That much is true. It's the sheer number of horror stories I've
heard about Hartke that worries me, both on and off the net. That
combined with the sheer number of stories I hear about GK, Ampeg or SWR
amps that have lasted for years without a single glitch. I haven't
heard many stories one way or the other about Eden, but the few I have
heard have been uniformly positive.
Prefect
I have a new Hartke 3500 and two Hartke 410 XL's. My band is based in
Manhattan, and we rehearse in studios all over town. 90% of them are
equipped with 2 Hartke 410 XL's and some type of head ( Peavey Mark IV or GK
400 usually). I've never had a problem with Hartke speakers and neither have
the studio owners. In fact, I brought my Hartke rig based upon the
recommendation of the studio owners who claim that they never blow any
speakers.
The old Hartke heads had real problems, but the new ones are very
dependable.
I know we all like to root for the underdog, but Hartke is very much the
well deserved industry standard in New York City. I like a lot of other rigs
too, especially for recording, but Hartkes are hard to beat for live
performances.
Breeuw wrote in message <6nbhul$cgd$1...@news.worldonline.nl>...
>
>Dave J.G. heeft geschreven in bericht <01bda387$f2dfaf20$6cace5cf@dave>...
>Not a pretty sight. I
>>have heard many, many cases of people blowing their Hartke speakers and
>relatively few cases of blowing others. I wouldn't rely on a Hartke cabinet
>at a gig if you paid me.
>>
>> Dave
>
>
>Well Dave I've got some disturbing news for you: People ARE paying me and
>lots of others for gigs, BTW +/- 2 times a week in wich I 'm pushing the
>utmost out of my Hartke 410 XL.
>
>Never had 1 problem(!) so it must be in the way you use your gear.
>
>Bootsy
>
>
>
Eric H
Huh? This doesn't rest anything!
Eric H
I agree. At one point, it was much more common than it is now (or at
least that is my impression). That itself speaks VOLUMES.
Bill Bolton
On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:27:37 +0200, "Breeuw" <daf...@crazysexycool.com>
wrote:
>Point I am making is that there isn't one piece of gear(SWR, Eden etc..) of
>which I haven't heard a sad story of. Burning down, blowing up speakers and
>so on.
The issue with Hartke kit is that the reports of problems through the
bass newsgroups and mailing lists have been far too wide spread in
terms of Time, Geography and Type Of Usage to be easily or simply
explained as isolated instances. Players from all over the world have
been reporting problems now for several years, and often the problems
seem to point to deficient design and manufacturing practises.
This isn't just a case of a small number of disgruntled users making a
lot of noise to attract attention.
Cheers,
Bill
Bill Bolton billb...@computer.org
Sydney, Australia
FOOG
Another thread that'll never die. Far be it for me to let it lie....
I've had my Hartke XL 4X10 for about 9yrs now. Blew the shit out of the
speakers on three seperate occassions. Fortunately, the warranty was
honoured and I never had to pay a cent.
As the warranty was running out, I wised up and bought a 15" Mesa Boogie
(EV speaker, I believe) and paired em up. Never had a problem since.
To the crux of the matter: the Hartkes are a fine sounding speaker. The
cabinets are built nice and tough. There's not a thing wrong with em,
except perhaps for the fact that they should be rated at 100 - 150 watts,
no more.
BTW, anyone wanna buy my cabinet? I'm moving out of the country (Canada) and
need the cash. 400 bucks oughtta do it. If you live in southern Ontario, I
can deliver. And before all you American bassist jump all over me for
asking too much $, that's Canadian bucks, dammit! E-mail me if interested.
yer everlovin
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Eric H
Prefect wrote:
>
> I have a new Hartke 3500 and two Hartke 410 XL's.
You have my condolences.
> My band is based in Manhattan, and we rehearse in studios all over
> town. 90% of them are equipped with 2 Hartke 410 XL's and some type of
> head ( Peavey Mark IV or GK 400 usually). I've never had a problem with
> Hartke speakers and neither have the studio owners. In fact, I brought
> my Hartke rig based upon the recommendation of the studio owners who
> claim that they never blow any speakers.
Studio and live are VERY different animals. I've never heard of ANY
piece of bass equipment that was blown in the studio. It isn't a
pressure environment from an equipment standpoint.
I would NEVER buy a piece of equipment on the recommendation of a studio
person other than his or her opinion of the sound. But then again, I
would probably throw that out too because the requirements for studio
sound and the requirements for live sound are COMPLETELY different.
> The old Hartke heads had real problems, but the new ones are very
> dependable.
>
> I know we all like to root for the underdog, but Hartke is very much
> the well deserved industry standard in New York City. I like a lot of
> other rigs too, especially for recording, but Hartkes are hard to beat
> for live performances.
Nope. They may be hard to beat for the particular type of sound you
specifically are in search of, but they are completely beat for what I
want. To each his or her own.
Also, I seriously doubt there is a "standard" in Manhattan for bass cabs.
There may be a standard amongst the specific studios you frequent, which
may be part of the reason you frequent them.
The fact that we are having this discussion at all proves that there is
no standard. If it was the standard, people would only chip in with
praise for the equipment. I haven't seen that yet, have you?
> Breeuw wrote in message <6nbhul$cgd$1...@news.worldonline.nl>...
> >
> >Dave J.G. heeft geschreven in bericht <01bda387$f2dfaf20$6cace5cf@dave>...
> >Not a pretty sight. I
> >>have heard many, many cases of people blowing their Hartke speakers and
> >relatively few cases of blowing others. I wouldn't rely on a Hartke cabinet
> >at a gig if you paid me.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >
> >
> >Well Dave I've got some disturbing news for you: People ARE paying me and
> >lots of others for gigs, BTW +/- 2 times a week in wich I 'm pushing the
> >utmost out of my Hartke 410 XL.
> >
> >Never had 1 problem(!) so it must be in the way you use your gear.
> >
> >Bootsy
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Has anyone heard any good or bad things about Tech bass cabs, as they have
a line using aluminium speakers too. Is it an aluminium speaker problem,
or a Hartke-specific problem.
I only knew one person who used Hartke, and he was a student but had a
very nice rig. The first rig he bought immediately blew up, and when he
took it back there was no replacement in stock at the shop or
distributors, so they replaced it with the next model up that they did
have in stock. The sound was ok, but nothing special, if on the punchy end
of things.
Aaron Turner
Michael Riehle
In article <359B2F...@ucnsb.net> on Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:58:10 -0700 Eric H (eh...@ucnsb.net) wrote:
[...discussion about relative commoness of cabinets snipped...]
: I agree. At one point, it was much more common than it is now (or at
Wow, you know, I hadn't thought about it, but now that you mention it, I
did used to see more Hartke cabinets around. I guess I shouldn't be
surprised (remember all those ex-Hartke users I've met...). It seems
like they sold a bunch of cabinets a few years ago and then people just
started dropping them right and left.
You know the other thing is that just about every dealer around here
used to carry Hartke. Almost none do now. This in and of itself isn't
all that telling because the same can be said of GK and Trace-Elliot.
But I've talked to the stores and the reasons are different. For GK the
reason I was given is that GK wanted them to carry the guitar amps as
well as the bass amps. Apparently GK guitar amps are not up to the same
standard as their bass amps (I don't know, I've never tried one). For
Trace the story I'm told is it was a distribution problem - they just
can't get 'em any more. For Hartke they just got tired of complaints
about quality.
nocturnal10
aEric H wrote:
>
>
>
> So anyway, how can you tell if the stage is level? The drummer drools
> out of both sides of his mouth.
>
> Isn't that just like a guitarist? He's thinkin' about flash gear and
> you're thinkin' about sound. That's why most musicians in the PA
> business are bass players.
and me.......What was the last thing the drummer said before they threw
him out of the band?
Hey guys,I just wrote a new song.
Q)why do Bass players keep a set of drum stick on thier dashboard?
A)So they can park in the handicap spots too!
Lowell Napier
I must agree with Bootsy.I play gigs almost every week using
combinations of 2x10 hartke 4x10 hartke aswell as a paper cone
4x10.(always using at least 1 hartke)I always get compliments on bass
sound(I mic and run direct simultaneously,guess which cab i
mic.)IMHO-eden makes the best paper cone 4x10 out there and I would
proudly use one w/o my hartkes-I just haven't gotten around to
purchasing one yet.BTW-never had any problems with my aluminum cones and
this stress thing that was mentioned earlier--I hear paper cones don't
react well to humidity-you can destroy any gear w/o a little TLC and
proper care and use.All my bass playing friends (most of whom gig
regularly also)have at least one hartke cab.Never heard of one even
going to the shop,even 10 year old ones!
Adam B
it. I have had to replace three of the four speakers over the course of
the last 13(?)years I've owned it. The original aluminum cones attached to
the speaker basket at a more radical angle than the replacement speakers
Hartke has provided. This angle would cause the aluminum cone to separate
from the outer rim of the basket. I never experienced any failure from the
voice coil, and I haven't experienced any failures with the replacement
speakers.
My current set up is the Hartke 4/10 and an Energy 2/15 with 600W
McCauleys. I run a Pearce Preamp through a Crest PL300 and run both
cabinets full range. The Hartke gives that bright high end and the Energy
provides great bottom.
I have tried every mainstream bass rig on the planet, and every six months
or so I go back to the music store to play on the latest rig. I've
played combos, stacks, bi-amp and tri-amp, and have come to the conclusion
that there is no replacement for a lot of speaker surface area and lots of
wattage. Anyone care to comment?
-Adam
Tobias Growler-5
Dave J.G. <s...@signa.ture> wrote in article
<01bda387$f2dfaf20$6cace5cf@dave>...
> > >I've heard mixed things about them. I have heard that except for the
fact
> > >that they are aluminum, they aren't much better than paper cone
speakers.
> >
> > Better is a pretty subjective thing. They definitely are NOT tougher.
> > (think of cigarette foil vs. thick cardboard)
>
> The aluminum cone speakers are subject to metal fatigue ( microscopic
cracks that
> propagate when the speaker is stressed ). If you push them too hard for
too long,
> they will completely shread between the cone and the coil. Not a pretty
sight. I
> have heard many, many cases of people blowing their Hartke speakers and
relatively
> few cases of blowing others. I wouldn't rely on a Hartke cabinet at a gig
if you
> paid me.
>
> Dave
>
Vinyltap
sight. I
> have heard many, many cases of people blowing their Hartke speakers and
relatively
> few cases of blowing others. I wouldn't rely on a Hartke cabinet at a gig
if you
> paid me.
I simply picked up a Hartke kickback 15
at a local dealer and found that it was incredibly light. The magnet on the 15
in that thing must weigh mere ounces.