Sony copy protected CD won't work in my car CD player...yee ha.
Todd H.
For the net.knowledgebase. I'd welcome any "me to's" from late-model
Subaru owners, or folks who have audio CD players that have been
bitten by this on Sony's copy protected disks...
A Sony-produced disk on the Epic label (Cheap Trick - The Greatest
Hits, UPC is 7464-48681-2 and code EK 48681 is on the spine if that
might pinpoint the exact release) I recently purchased wouldn't play
in my car CD player (2001 Subaru w/ factory CD player). Since every
CD I played in this player has always worked fine, I wondered if the
disk was scratched or defective. When I inspected the disk I noticed
an odd ring near the outside of the data area and wondered if it
wasn't the first of the copy protected disks I'd read about on the
'net.
Sure enough, I did a little digging that and have come to the strong
hypothesis that Sony's copy protection (designed to make the CD
unreadable by computer CD-ROM drives to inhibit ripping/copying) is in
fact to blame for this disk not playing in my Subaru CD player. The
CD of course seems to play fine in my Sony DVD/CD player (purchased
12/2001) and my Sony ES CD changer (purchased in early 90's).
If my hypothesis is correct, oh thank you so much Sony. You've now
managed to alienate one of the folks who are actually purchasing CD's,
and now have someone who is going to think about this the next time I
ponder a Sony hardware purchase. In the meantime, it looks like I have
to be in the market for a black pen so I can enjoy the CD I already
purchased in an industry standard CD player.
It's things like this motivate intelligent people to illegally copy
your products just out of spite.
Regards,
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Dixie Normus
Todd H.
> On 12/29/02 10:23 PM, in article
> JSPP9.19727$p_6.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Dixie Normus"
> <DNo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > SIMPLE FIX:
> >
> > Take a black sharpie marker and cover that extra little strip around the CD.
> > It totally disables the Sony copy protection. This was released on the 'net
> > several weeks ago. I think Sony said it lost something in the range of 25
> > million dollars on an "uncrackable" algorithm that can be easily defeated
> > with a low-tech solution.
> >
>
yup.
> But this is a legitimate user, wanting to use a legitimate product in a
> legitimate player, not even something as questionable as my iPod. Why
> should he be forced to do that simply to play a stupid CD in his car??
>
> Me, I'd take it back to the store and demand a refund, and make a big
> goshawful stink about it.
Now if I could just remember where the hell I bought it. I wouldn't
punish the sales drones though..like they can do anything. The
manager/owner of the store, maybe.
I know this: I won't forget it the next time I'm buying hardware and
steering clear of Sony.
You'd think the music industry would learn from the computer industry
that copy protection schemes cost them more money in pissed off legit
regular users than it saves, and that for the ingenious and nefarious
person will always find a way around it. The last copy protected
software I bought was in the late 80's....
Steve Oster
they have planned for the next 5 years? More of this BS, so we all get
pi$$ed off and throw out our perfectly good CD-based technology. They
already have a replacement technology.
It runs on a wireless PDA or Windoze-based cell phone, with a direct link to
your checking or money market account. You can listen to 30 songs per month
for $29.99 per month. EQ controls are $9.99 / month extra (but HyperBass is
only $1.99). Premium song selection (meaning any song you'd ever heard of)
is $20 / month extra as well. Its called "Digital Unicode Musical Binary
Formula UnCracKable". Maybe they'll have an acronym for it too......
Ok, sorry for the sarcasm, but I do see the music industry moving toward a
new model, where they control even the individual song listening experience.
Where you no longer "buy" a CD -- you don't buy anything but a subscription
for a listening license. Where even putting on an album will be subject to
commercial interruptions (like watching a VHS movie, but worse). Where you
keep paying over and over again to listen to the same song. And where the
listening audience gets further screwed in the process.
And the musicians? Oh they'll get screwed in new and interesting ways also.
Again, sorry for the sarcastic rant, I get this way at 1:30am sometimes.
/thinks about how the book 1984 keeps getting closer to todays reality/
SteveO
D.G. Devin
>Now if I could just remember where the hell I bought it. I wouldn't
>punish the sales drones though..like they can do anything. The
>manager/owner of the store, maybe.
>
>I know this: I won't forget it the next time I'm buying hardware and
>steering clear of Sony.
>
>You'd think the music industry would learn from the computer industry
>that copy protection schemes cost them more money in pissed off legit
>regular users than it saves, and that for the ingenious and nefarious
>person will always find a way around it. The last copy protected
>software I bought was in the late 80's....
Write to Sony, write to the corporate office of the music store chain, and
make sure they understand that they have lost you as a customer. That's the
only way to get their attention, by letting them know their decisions are
going to cost them money. And while you're at it, write to your elected
representatives, because if they music industry gets its way, soon there
will be laws enforcing much worse copyright protection schemes than this.
Check out the bills that Sen. Hollings, chairman of the Sen. commerce
committee is trying to get passed, terrifying stuff.
John Shaughnessy
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Thump
the CD writers that people use to burn their pirated tracks...
Joe S.
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Jeremey Poparad
Christmas present... a Sony Discman that plays MP3 cds... mind you Sony is
also a record label that hates those notorious file sharing bandits and all
MP3 stands for. I paid homage to that by burning a cd of 17 Rush albums to
listen to. I'm quite rapidly condensing my CD and MP3 collection into just
a handfull of these wonderful MP3 CDs... I fell asleep the other night
listening to the Rush cd at 2am and when I woke up at 4pm (I'm on vacation
give me a break) the CD still wasn't over yet.... I love technology that
works for me :-)
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Bud LeCompte
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> What's REALLY laughable is that Sony make an enormous proportion of all
> the CD writers that people use to burn their pirated tracks...
>
> Joe S.
>
And probably bundles software with those CD writers.
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JP
> MP3 stands for. I paid homage to that by burning a cd of 17 Rush albums
to
> listen to. I'm quite rapidly condensing my CD and MP3 collection into
just
Goooooooooooood musical taste my friend.
JP
Brian Running
As you discovered, Todd, you just blank out that outermost ring of data to
defeat the protection. This has been known for quite some time -- I just
read somewhere that when Sony first released a Celine Dion CD with this
protection on it, it immediately became the most widely
illegally-distributed CD in history on the internet, not because everyone
wanted Celine Dion (of course) but just out of pure spite.
Kristoff Lajoie
> (but HyperBass is only $1.99
What? I can get a Zon Hyperbass for only $1.99???? Why wasn't i aware of
this!!!
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remember what they were tho. Annoying as hell tho, worked in other CD
players just fine however. So i think the prob was more with the outdated CD
player...we replaced it with a ncie shiny DVD/CD/MP3/everything else player!
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"Todd H." <bmi...@toddh.net> wrote in message
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Todd H.
> We had an old CD player that didn't play a particular brand of
> CD-Rs. Can't remember what they were tho. Annoying as hell tho,
> worked in other CD players just fine however. So i think the prob
> was more with the outdated CD player...we replaced it with a ncie
> shiny DVD/CD/MP3/everything else player!
Kristoff my dear lad, the CD player in question is in a 2001 Subuaru
and plays every burned CD-R I've fed it. I think the thing will even
play audio burned on CD-RW media (though I haven't tried).
The irony/outrage is that it won't play a brand new pressed CD thanks
to Sony's braindead copy protection scheme on that pressed CD.
Steve Oster
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> What? I can get a Zon Hyperbass for only $1.99???? Why wasn't i aware of
> this!!!
Young Kristoff doesn't know about Sony Hyperbass...... I'm showing my age I
guess.
SteveO
meto
company doings, and because of a few low quality/high cost items I bought a
few years ago.
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Doug Arnott
Here is a couple of sites that try to keep people informed
about "bad" music CDs:
http://fatchucks.com/z3.cd.html
http://uk.eurorights.org/issues/cd/bad/
I am as angry as you are.
I like to copy songs from my music CDs onto the hard disk of
my PC so I can analyze the song and extract the bassline.
The only thing that I can do is to not buy the product which
has the copy protection. If everyone else follows suit, then
the music companies will get the message.
Furthermore, pester the music store employees to let them
know how you feel. By not advising the customer when selling
the music CD, the retail chain is just as guilty as the music
companies.
Doug
Sanitysvoid2000
Hey Don't cave in so esey. Your a consumer and consumers rule the market.
What you do is this. record the CD onto a tape. Then march into the store you
got it at and tell them it's defective, that it won't play in your Car CD
player. They might say "Oh this is normal and it's not defective it's Sony's
new anti copy technology" and to that you respond. It's unacceptable and you
consider it defective no matter what the reason. Demand they take it back for
at least Credit. Then SONY gets back a flood of CD's and loses a crap load of
money. They will see the light in the long run. Stick to your guns.
MIKE
<< Subject: Sony copy protected CD won't work in my car CD player...yee ha.
From: bmi...@toddh.net (Todd H.)
Date: Mon, Dec 1130,12 20022001 4:14 AM
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Eric A Holeman
Jeremey Poparad <jjp14(at)uakron.edu> wrote:
>a handfull of these wonderful MP3 CDs... I fell asleep the other night
>listening to the Rush cd at 2am and when I woke up at 4pm (I'm on vacation
>give me a break) the CD still wasn't over yet....
Interesting. I've also played Rush CDs that I thought would never end...
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