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THE ELECTRO-HARMONIX WIGGLER - a Lord Valve Review

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Lord Valve Revieweth:

The new Electro-Harmonix "Wiggler" pedal put in an
appearance at Castle Valve yesterday, courtesy of that
wonderful brown truck we all know and love. It's
Mike's third entry in the EH line of tube-powered
stomp boxes, following the trail blazed by the "Hot
Tubes" distortion pedal (you can find my review of
that one on Google) and the "Tube Zipper" swept filter
gizmo. (I'll be doing a review on the Zipper in a week
or two.) The Wiggler is a tremelo/vibrato pedal, and
sports the usual dual vacuum-tube setup the other two
pedals in the series have. The Wiggler shipped with
two Sovtek 12AX7WB installed; not my favorites, but
in fairness I decided to leave 'em in for the initial
listening tests. At this point I'm going to recycle a
paragraph or two from my review of the "Hot Tubes,"
since all of the pedals in the series use the same
chassis setup, with minor variations:

>It's a pretty cool-looking gizmo, 7-1/2" X 4-3/4"
>X 1-3/4", made from two C-shaped pieces of brushed
>aluminum which fit together to form the box. The
>tubes stick right up out of the top of the pedal
>through a couple of holes, around 2" from the stomp
>switch. In order to keep them from getting smashed,
>the tubes live under a little gazebo (this word is
>really the best name for it) made from a half-cylindrical
>piece of pretty stout aluminum with a bunch of holes
>drilled in it; it sits on two hexagonal standoffs, and
>goes all the way across the pedal.

The gazebo on the Wiggler is anodized in black, which
makes a nice contrast with the brushed aluminum finish
on the chassis.

>While it looks pretty cool, I don't like the fact that
>the tubes stick up through holes in the top of the pedal.
>Plenty of dirt from the player's shoes is going to find
>its way inside the pedal, and I'm the dude who's gonna
>hafta clean all that crud outta there when the pedal
>finally croaks. Can't have everything, I suppose.


UNDER THE HOOD:

Like many other EH effects, this one comes packed in
one of those nifty-looking finger-jointed plywood boxes,
with a slide-off top. As an evil planet-destroying
resource-consuming Republican businessman, I appreciate
the thought that went into the choice of the Wiggler's
packaging materials; hopefully, the box was made from
some endangered tree in the rainforest somewhere.
(Although, one could certainly make a case for the wooden
box actually being more ecology-friendly, since if it was
made from cardboard the same tree would have been chopped
down, with the additional environmental burden of chemical
treatment to turn the wood into pulp, process the pulp into
cardboard, finish it with clay coat to make it look shiny,
ink to print on it, etc. Two sides to every coin, ya see...)
At any rate, those EH boxes are mighty nifty to keep your
stuff in, and I like 'em. You will too.

The Wiggler runs on a 12VAC 1000mA (1 amp) wall-wart,
two-prong type, which has a piece of 20-gauge zipcord
hanging off of it with a strange-looking (and probably
completely unobtainable) two-pin connector on the end.
I don't like the fact that the pins are exposed; if this
wall-wart is energized before it's plugged into the pedal,
those pins could accidentally fetch up against the side
of the unit, throwing a dead short across the transformer.
If not discovered immediately, you'll have a dead wall-wart
for sure. Moral: if you buy one of these, make sure you
connect the cord from the wart to the power input on the
pedal *before* you plug the wart into your socket strip.

Since the HV supply in the Wiggler is the same as the
one in the Hot Tubes, I'll recycle my comments on it:

>They used a clever trick to obtain the HV for the tubes;
>instead of using a diode ladder (like many of the "tube"
>pedals which run on 12-volt wallwarts) they used a little
>encapsulated toroidal power tranny; this is a PCB-mounted
>device with two 115V primaries and two 9V secondaries.
>The slick trick they pulled with it was to wire the
>secondaries in parallel and put the primaries in series,
>and then operate the tranny BACKWARDS by putting the 12VAC
>from the wallwart into the paralleled 9V secondaries and
>obtaining a 238VAC output from the seriesed primaries.
>The 238VAC is then input to an inline fullwave bridge,
>which gives around 280VDC at the input to the filter section.
>The 12VAC from the wallwart is also fed directly into another
>bridge, to provide raw DC for a 7812 regulator which is used
>for the 12VDC filament supply.

Soldered onto the circuit board right between the two tubes
(which reside in good quality ceramic sockets, BTW) is a
small bi-pin incandescent lamp. I guess the designers
wanted to make sure everyone could see the tubes lighting
up, so they decided to put a friggin' LIGHT BULB under
'em. Jeez.

Plate voltages on the four triode sections contained
in the two 12AX7s were as follows: V1A, 195VDC, V1B,
128VDC. V2 was obviously the low-frequency oscillator,
since the plate voltage on both sections was all over
the map, and fluctuated considerably depending on the
setting of the RATE control.

The Wiggler is true bypass, courtesy of a nifty little
DIP relay mounted between the input/output jacks.
The stomp switch is a top-quality Carling. Overall,
the parts quality is excellent. I didn't see anything
crappy-looking in the Wiggler, and I was certainly
looking.

I don't have a schematic (and when it comes to EH gear,
who does?) so I'm not dead sure how the Wiggler does
what it does, but my guess is that one tube handles
amplification/buffering, probably with one section of
the tube used for input and one for output. The other
tube is (as stated above) obviously the oscillator.
For the tremelo effect, I suspect the gain is cyclically
varied on one section of the input/output tube, but again,
I don't know for sure. For the vibrato, there's an LM-324
quad opamp with a pile of 1% metalfilm resistors all around
it. The signal path for the Wiggler is therefore not 100%
tube - as far as I can tell. (It would be fairly difficult
to do true frequency-shift vibrato with only two tubes, so
I was expecting to see some silicon in the signal path before
I opened the chassis.)

The pots, of which there are three, have an excellent
feel. They appear to be Chinese CTS. There are also
two rotary switches, one which selects between tremelo
and vibrato, and one for choosing one of four different
vibrato types.

One pleasing internal difference between the Wiggler
and the Hot Tubes is the way the pot/switch wiring
is handled; on the Hot Tubes, the pots are individually
mounted through the chassis top, with flying leads
from each one going down to the circuit board. This
is a royal pain in the ass if you have to take the
pedal apart, as it's very difficult to get all those
pots lined up with the holes while they're waving
around in the air on wires during re-assembly. I
pitched a major bitch about this in my review of
the Hot Tubes, and it appears that someone must've
listened. The Wiggler has the three pots and two
rotary switches mounted on an auxilliary PC board
that's attached to the main board with a piece of
16-conductor ribbon cable. This makes dissassembly
and reassembly a snap. Bravo, someone got it right
this time around.

There are two red LEDs; one is marked "STATUS" and the
other "RATE." The STATUS indicator is lit when the
pedal is operating, and dark when it's bypassed. The
RATE indicator flashes at the tremelo/vibrato speed,
which is adjusted by the RATE pot. The other controls
are pots marked VOLUME and INTENSITY, and two rotary
switches labeled MODE and VIBRATO/TREMELO.


TEST DRIVE:

I unshipped my trusty Beatles-era Hofner 6-string -
the one that's covered in red aligator vinyl, has a
wang bar, and a floating bridge (God couldn't keep
one of these in tune, and probably is too smart to
try) and hooked up the Wiggler to a Blues Junior I'd
just re-tubed for local blues legend Dave Booker,
alias "the Cap'n." (Damn good player, amazing singer;
authentic as hell.)

I decided to listen to the tremelo effect first. In
this mode, the selector switch is placed in the TREMELO
position; the MODE switch is not functional when the
tremelo is being used. The VOLUME control appears to
be towards the end of the signal path; there is a
considerable amount of gain available. With the
INTENSITY and RATE controls turned all the way down,
I was able to achieve unity gain by stomping the
switch on and off while rotating the VOLUME control
until the two levels matched. In the tremelo mode,
it was very difficult to hear any difference in tone
between the bypassed signal and the processed one,
although I'm pretty sure there was just a hair more
bass with the effect engaged. The VOLUME control's
rotation starts at around 7:00, and goes to around
5:00. Unity gain occurred at around 8:30. Everything
above that was additional signal, so with the TREMELO
and RATE controls at zero, the Wiggler can function
as a straight preamp with considerable boost available.

This boost is relatively noise-free until you go above
1:00 or so; after that, the added noise is mostly "blow"
(tube hiss) with *very* little 120Hz ripple from the power
supply. (The DC heaters don't hurt any, either.) The Hot
Tubes had more hum in it than it should have; this has
evidently been taken into consideration with the Wiggler.
When not operated at extreme levels, it's pretty quiet -
EXCEPT - it's a thumper. No matter how you set the
controls, there is always some thump in the signal, at
twice the tremelo (or vibrato) rate. It gets extremely
loud when the INTENSITY control is turned all the way up;
in fact, at extreme settings of the INTENSITY and RATE
controls, the Wiggler does an excellent emulation of a
helicopter.

I ain't kiddin'...it generates *copious* amounts of
Harley-esque thunder, which you can tune up and down
with the RATE control to make motorboat noises. Of
course, the settings at the upper ends of these controls
are fairly well over the top, and I don't think they can
be used for anything in a musical sense. For instance,
with the RATE control set as fast as it can go, the effect
sounds like what you get when you sing into a window fan.
On the slow end of things, it's, well - VERY slow. Less
than one Hertz, maybe as low as .5 Hz. Slower than anyone
would use, as far as I can see. This is good - both
extremes are *so* extreme, everyone's taste should be
covered. However - thumping noises. Well - when using
settings that are "reasonable," this isn't going to
be a problem. The thump is masked quite effectively
by the signal, and wouldn't be noticeable on the stage.
Bedroom jammers might be bothered by it, though.

When I finally got everything adjusted for minimum
thump generation with a reasonable amount of tremelo
depth, the Wiggler's tremelo was quite respectable.
No, it doesn't have the pseudo-wah effect of the
dual-freq Brown-era Fenders, but it ain't half bad.
Very usable. It was interesting to try a tremelo
effect that could go considerably slower (and *way*
faster) than most I've seen. I liked it, but it didn't
knock me out. Which brings me to the VIBRATO functions...

When you set the switch to the VIBRATO position, the
MODE switch becomes active. This switch allows you
to select between four types of vibrato. These are
called LOOZ, HAMM, ACEY, and WURL. I reckon the LOOZ
position is supposed to sound like a Leslie (it does,
mostly) and the HAMM position is supposed to sound like
a Hammond (it doesn't, hardly). I don't know what the
ACEY position is supposed to sound like. An AC-30?
(Nope.) The WURL is supposed to be a Wurlitzer of some
kind, I guess. (More on the WURL below.)

LOOZ - I don't know what I was expecting to hear, but
this sure wasn't it. I was figuring that the Wiggler
was just a tremelo/vibrato gizmo, and that the vibrato
settings would be clean, like a phase shifter or a chorus
pedal. No way, Jose! The LOOZ setting has MONDO rip-ass
Leslie-style distortion. I mean tearing, screaming,
chainsaw kickass MEAT. At high settings on the guitar's
volume control, you could easily control the funk just
by varying pick attack. *Very* playable. In fact, I
spent considerable time with the RATE and INTENSITY
controls turned all the way down, just listening to the
distortion. (You can use this for a straight distortion
effect, no problem.) Once I began to turn up the RATE
and INTENSITY controls, I was fairly impressed with the
"Leslie-ness" the Wiggler could achieve. (I am, after
all, a B-3 player, and I *know* what a Leslie sounds like.)
At higher INTENSITY settings, though, it thumped a lot.
Extreme settings of this control weren't all that usable
as far as I'm concerned, so I don't consider that a fault.
I *would* have liked to be able to run this setting a bit
cleaner, though; I could do it by turning the guitar way
down and making up for the volume loss with the Wiggler's
VOLUME knob, but it got less "playable" when set that
way. All in all, I'd give the LOOZ setting a 9 when
compared to other (distorted-tone) Leslie emulations I've
heard. (The only one that ever got a 10 was the digital
emulator in the Oberheim OB-5, and the rest of the instrument
was crappola. Dammit.)

HAMM - This one was smoother than the LOOZ setting, a bit
brighter, and overdrove less easily when played hard.
The vibrato was nice, especially on the slower settings.
It had the same dynamic control of the overdrive, but
with reduced sensitivity. I liked this one too, but not
as much as the LOOZ setting.

ACEY - Overdrove at any volume. *Very* aggressive, very
dirty. Think Deep Purple. Think dimed 100-watt Marshall
stack with a dimed Tube Screamer in front of it. I'm not
a thrasher by any means, and I didn't like this setting.
The vibrato was fairly well washed out by the huge, tubby,
farty distortion. I suppose someone who is a real guitarist
(and that ain't me) could probably figure out how to use this.

WURL - Oooooooh...YUMMY! Bliss! A very subtle effect,
producing what used to be referred to as "wow" back in the
good 'ol days. The best explanation of what "wow" sounds
like that I can come up with is a 33-1/3 RPM vinyl record
with the hole punched off-center. (You sometimes hear
"wow" on old movies late at night, on small TV stations
in the boondocks which still run actual film movies. The
"wow" occurs at the start of a reel, as the projector's
motor speed gradually stabilizes.) The WURL setting had
quite a bit less distortion than the other three types,
and required a fairly high setting on the INTENSITY control
to produce a listenable effect. I was psyched by this one;
if it sounds this good with a guitar, I reasoned, what might
it do with a real musical instrument - like a keyboard? I
didn't have any Wurlies, Rhodes, or Hammonds in the shop at
the moment, but I *did* have my trusty Voce Electric Piano
Module, which (for my money) is the best emulation of a real
Wurlitzer (it has all the models on it) that anyone is ever
going to make. (An aside to keyboardists...this module
is now back in production. If you've ever owned a Wurlitzer
electric piano, check one out. It has a killer Hohner Pianet
model "T" on it, too, and some *smokin'* D-6 Clavinets.)
I dug out my Fatar Studio 610+ midi controller and hooked
everything up; I was playing through an Ashly line mixer
(no tone controls, very clean) and a Studiomaster 1200D
power amp driving a pair of Klipsch KP-302 2-way trap boxes.
Once I had my levels set, I launched into a slightly slower-
than-usual rendition of Toots Thielmann's "Bluesette,"
pedaled a little more heavily than I normally would so I
could listen to the gorgeous, lilting, wrinkly vibrato on
the tails of all the decaying chords. I used a moderately
slow RATE setting, and a fairly high INTENSITY setting.
Damn, sweet. I'm gonna keep it.


THE BOTTOM LINE

While the Wiggler does have its problems (annoying thumping
and ticking noises at certain settings) it's a first-rate
effect, producing some eminently useful sounds for serious
players. The build quality is high, although I wish they'd
use a different connector for the AC power input. Look for
the street price to be in the $175-$195 region. Worth every
nickle, if vibrato is what you're looking for. The tremelo
was on the average side, sort of like a BF Fender. (A Victoria
Reverberato, it ain't.) Considering the added benefit that
it can be used as an excellent distorion pedal, this one's
a keeper. I'm gonna order a shitload of 'em.


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Cliff Hewitt

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Well, I haven't read any of your other reviews, LV, but this one was great.
I don't own this pedal, and I'm not in the market for one, but still, great
writing. The only thing I could ask for are some sound samples, but hey,
I'm greedy. Heh...

Scott Colborn

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Hello LV,
Thanks for very informative and substantial post. Appreciate it. Have
a fine Sunday.
Walk in Beauty, Peace. Scott


Cliff Hewitt wrote in message ...

TimePixDC

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Jun 9, 2002, 1:32:18 AM6/9/02
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>Subject: THE ELECTRO-HARMONIX WIGGLER - a Lord Valve Review
>From: "Lord Valve" LORD_...@prodigy.net
>Date: Sat, Jun 8, 2002 8:35 PM

>(you can find my review of
>that one on Google)

It isn't a review, its a sales pitch.

>and the "Tube Zipper" swept filter
>gizmo. (I'll be doing a review on the Zipper in a week
>or two.)

Another sales pitch disguised as a "review."

>At this point I'm going to recycle a
>paragraph or two from my review of the "Hot Tubes,"

You mean your sales pitch for the "Hot Tubes" pedal, don't you?

>Can't have everything, I suppose.

You mean like an unbiased review of the pedal instead of a sales pitch?

>THE BOTTOM LINE


>
>I'm gonna order a shitload of 'em.

So you can sell 'em.

I'll wait for the review in Guitarist for the truth about this pedal.

TimePixDC

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Jun 9, 2002, 1:33:27 AM6/9/02
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>Subject: Re: THE ELECTRO-HARMONIX WIGGLER - a Lord Valve Review
>From: "Cliff Hewitt" som...@att.net.nospam
>Date: Sat, Jun 8, 2002 10:01 PM

>Well, I haven't read any of your other reviews, LV, but this one was great.

It's not a review, it's a sales pitch. Wait for a real review from an unbiased
source.

Miles O'Neal

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Jun 9, 2002, 2:46:07 AM6/9/02
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Lord Valve <LORD_...@prodigy.net> wrote:

Excellenet review, as usual...

|Soldered onto the circuit board right between the two tubes
|(which reside in good quality ceramic sockets, BTW) is a
|small bi-pin incandescent lamp. I guess the designers
|wanted to make sure everyone could see the tubes lighting
|up, so they decided to put a friggin' LIGHT BULB under
|'em. Jeez.

Maybe when they were designing this, they
were using 12AX7LPS tubes...

|in fact, at extreme settings of the INTENSITY and RATE
|controls, the Wiggler does an excellent emulation of a
|helicopter.

And they didn't even charge extra!

|I ain't kiddin'...it generates *copious* amounts of
|Harley-esque thunder, which you can tune up and down
|with the RATE control to make motorboat noises. Of
|course, the settings at the upper ends of these controls
|are fairly well over the top, and I don't think they can
|be used for anything in a musical sense.

Well, at least it's an alternative to a tornado
and siren, right?


So, did you try any other tubes? I'm wondering
how that would affect tone and distortion...

Miles O'Neal

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Jun 9, 2002, 2:49:05 AM6/9/02
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TimePixDC <time...@aol.com> wrote:
|It's not a review, it's a sales pitch. Wait for a real review from an unbiased
|source.

You are easily one of the most
bigoted people I have run across
in a loooong time.

You really oughta start your own
personal branch of the KKK. What
color sheets you like? We might
have some spares, but you'll have
to cut your own eye holes.

-Miles

Kent Pearson

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Jun 9, 2002, 2:59:59 AM6/9/02
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Cool post, and sounds like a cool pedal. I'll keep a lookout for one to
try, thanks!

~kp

Lord Valve

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Jun 9, 2002, 4:59:49 AM6/9/02
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Cliff Hewitt wrote:

Ask and ye shall receive: http://www.electroharmonix.com/
The MP3 link is about a third of the way down the page.
The guitarist on the Wiggler demo is pretty rank. Still better
than me, though. ;-) Oddly enough, they didn't really use any
of the great distortion that pedal can do. Some nice examples
of the trem and vibrato, however.

Lord Valve
American

GTski

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"TimePixDC" <time...@aol.com> wrote

>
> It isn't a review, its a sales pitch.

And this is crying like a baby...

>
> >and the "Tube Zipper" swept filter
> >gizmo. (I'll be doing a review on the Zipper in a week
> >or two.)
>

> Another sales pitch disguised as a "review."

More crying like a spoiled brat...


>
> >At this point I'm going to recycle a
> >paragraph or two from my review of the "Hot Tubes,"
>
> You mean your sales pitch for the "Hot Tubes" pedal, don't you?

Timepox is stamping his feet here folks... the crying isn't getting any
attention...

>
> >Can't have everything, I suppose.
>
> You mean like an unbiased review of the pedal instead of a sales pitch?

Timepox has fallen to the floor in a total tantrum of childishness...

>
> >THE BOTTOM LINE
> >
> >I'm gonna order a shitload of 'em.
>
> So you can sell 'em.

Here Timepax purports to be a genius... he's figured out that LV is in
business... and is enlightening us.... HAW...!!!!!

>
> I'll wait for the review in Guitarist for the truth about this pedal.

Hey...!! Now THERE will be an un-biased 'review'...!!! But then again,
Timepax DOES
beleive everything he reads in magazines...

gtski


Dave Curtis

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Jun 9, 2002, 8:29:49 AM6/9/02
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On Sun, 09 Jun 2002 00:35:37 GMT, "Lord Valve"
<LORD_...@prodigy.net> wrote:


>One pleasing internal difference between the Wiggler
>and the Hot Tubes is the way the pot/switch wiring
>is handled; on the Hot Tubes, the pots are individually
>mounted through the chassis top, with flying leads
>from each one going down to the circuit board. This
>is a royal pain in the ass if you have to take the
>pedal apart, as it's very difficult to get all those
>pots lined up with the holes while they're waving
>around in the air on wires during re-assembly. I
>pitched a major bitch about this in my review of
>the Hot Tubes, and it appears that someone must've
>listened. The Wiggler has the three pots and two
>rotary switches mounted on an auxilliary PC board
>that's attached to the main board with a piece of
>16-conductor ribbon cable. This makes dissassembly
>and reassembly a snap. Bravo, someone got it right
>this time around.
>

They most likely changed it to increase
production, I would imagine.

As usual, good review, LV.

-Dave

Dave Curtis

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On 09 Jun 2002 05:33:27 GMT, time...@aol.com
(TimePixDC) wrote:

>>Subject: Re: THE ELECTRO-HARMONIX WIGGLER - a Lord Valve Review
>>From: "Cliff Hewitt" som...@att.net.nospam
>>Date: Sat, Jun 8, 2002 10:01 PM
>
>>Well, I haven't read any of your other reviews, LV, but this one was great.
>
>It's not a review, it's a sales pitch.

And your point is?.....

Looks a lot more like a review than a pitch to me.
I hadn't really noticed, but the actual "pitch" is
less than 1% of the post, ain't it? What's the
big deal?

> Wait for a real review from an unbiased
>source.

Such as?....

Yourself?

(here we go again)

You buy one; do a review; and I'll let you know
how you did.

:0)

-Dave

Cliff Hewitt

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Right -- he gave a description of the product's components, he gave a
description of the sound it produced, the equipment used... I'd say this is
a prime candidate for the Scientific Method, with less anal-retentiveness.
Anyone disagree?

Thanks,

Cliff Hewitt

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Cliff Hewitt

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Thanks, LV. It's nice to see you weeding through the trolls, you know.

Thanks,

Cliff Hewitt

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TimePixDC

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>Subject: Re: THE ELECTRO-HARMONIX WIGGLER - a Lord Valve Review
>From: m...@rru.com (Miles O'Neal)
>Date: Sun, Jun 9, 2002 2:49 AM

>You are easily one of the most
>bigoted people I have run across
>in a loooong time.

Then I guess you haven't been reading LV's posts.

Miles O'Neal

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Cliff Hewitt <som...@att.net.nospam> wrote:
|Right -- he gave a description of the product's components, he gave a
|description of the sound it produced, the equipment used... I'd say this is
|a prime candidate for the Scientific Method, with less anal-retentiveness.
|Anyone disagree?

You mean besides that guy whose
every post is a sales pitch for
hationg LV or Doug or someone
else he disagrees with? I doubt
it.

Miles O'Neal

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GTski <zzet...@zzsurfbest.net> wrote:
...

|And this is crying like a baby...
...

|More crying like a spoiled brat...
...

|Timepox is stamping his feet here folks... the crying isn't getting any
|attention...
...

|Timepox has fallen to the floor in a total tantrum of childishness...

I'd offer to change his diaper,
but the last time I tried to be
friendly he bit me and spat
abby food all over me...

Cliff Hewitt

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Jun 9, 2002, 4:36:56 PM6/9/02
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Oh, yes, that's what I meant. Thanks for making that distinction.

"Miles O'Neal" <m...@rru.com> wrote in message
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Carl Reznor

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Jun 9, 2002, 4:53:52 PM6/9/02
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<SNIP>

> >THE BOTTOM LINE
> >
> >I'm gonna order a shitload of 'em.
>
> So you can sell 'em.
>
> I'll wait for the review in Guitarist for the truth about this pedal.

Guitarist is a magazine.
Magazines are paid by their advertisers.
Money makes the release financially viable.
Bad reviews make advertisers unhappy.
Unhappy advertisers don't advertise in mags that slate 'em.
Magazines are pitched to fuck.

Go to a store, tell the sales to bugger off and play the pedal yourself for
the "truth".
Moron.

- Carl Reznor
www.prostheta.com

"Not in the mood?! Mood's a thing for cattle and love play...not fighting!!"


Lord Valve

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Jun 9, 2002, 5:38:48 PM6/9/02
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Miles O'Neal wrote:


He's a Catholic? Hmmm....
LV


Lord Valve

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Jun 9, 2002, 7:52:38 PM6/9/02
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GTski wrote:


Timepax? Timepax? Y'know...if you pronounce that with a
with a heavy Southren drawl, it makes a lot of sense...

Lord Valve
Y'all come back, y'heah?

Lord Valve

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Jun 9, 2002, 8:10:11 PM6/9/02
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GTski wrote:

> "TimePaxDC" <time...@aol.com> wrote


>
> > >I'm gonna order a shitload of 'em.
> >
> > So you can sell 'em.
>
> Here Timepax purports to be a genius... he's figured out that LV is in
> business... and is enlightening us.... HAW...!!!!!

Yeah...the Red Brigade has problems with folks doing
biz in "their" newsgroup. We got us a professional
propagandist screeching about "sales pitches."
ROFLMBFWRAO! Actually, I was gonna order
a shitload of 'em 'cuz I like the boxes. No, wait...
I have so much money, I'm gonna buy a bunch of stuff
just so's I can look at it. Yeah, that's the ticket...no, wait...
I wuz gonna donate 'em to the winos behind my store,
so they could hock 'em and get shitfaced. Yeah! Wait...
I got it, I got it...I was gonna give 'em away to all the
poor starving musicians, 'cuz I'm a philanthropist.
Yeah, that's the ticket...damn right...<cough>
But WAIT!! Suppose my price is *lower* than everyone
else's? Hmmmm....helluva dilemma; does that make
me greedy, or just a smart businessman? Or do I
get points for providing affordable equipment to
up-and-coming young players? I sense *major*
consternation in the Baboon Squad...another
severe case of shit-er-go-blind syndrome. Par
for the course, and just another day in the life of
an evil avaricious rightwing businessman. Ain't
America great? Pissin' on the whiners, and gettin'
PAID, too...it don't get any better'n this! Need any
gear?

Lord Valve
Tone Chaperone

VISIT MY WEBSITE: http://www.nebsnow.com/LordValve
I specialize in top quality HAND SELECTED NOS and
current-production vacuum tubes for guitar and
bass amps. Good prices, fast service.
QSC amps, RNC compressors, lots of other good stuff!

NBS Electronics, 230 South Broadway, Denver, CO 80209-1510
Phone orders/tech support after 1:30 PM Denver time at 303-778-1156

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Matt Seniff

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Jun 10, 2002, 10:38:45 AM6/10/02
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On 09 Jun 2002 05:33:27 GMT, time...@aol.com (TimePixDC) wrote:

Will it be an "unbiased" review by someone with Willie's technical
chops? No way. It will be some guy that spent his hard earned bucks
and wrote a glowing review that reflects his early usage or a guitar
mag that also has a full page ad of the unit that month. It will not
talk about construction or anything technical what so ever. What I saw
was not a sales pitch since it was not all positive by any means. matt

Matt Seniff

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Jun 10, 2002, 10:40:28 AM6/10/02
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It will be on the page next to the advertisement for the pedal which
guarantees a good review for the product (deservingly or not). matt

TimePixDC

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>Subject: Re: THE ELECTRO-HARMONIX WIGGLER - a Lord Valve Review
>From: Matt Seniff mwse...@mail.com
>Date: Mon, Jun 10, 2002 10:38 AM

>Will it be an "unbiased" review by someone with Willie's technical
>chops?

Quite likely, and it will be a real review by someone that isn't in the
business of selling effects pedals and therefore circumspect.

GTski

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"Lord Valve" <detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Yassir... sho does...

gtski

TD Madden

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Jun 11, 2002, 7:08:21 AM6/11/02
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I sure don't disagree..but there are some here who prefer finding faults
with others' reviews rather than produce one of their own......their
continual howling and whining, while sort of interesting the first
couple of times they did it, are very tiresome now.

Matt Seniff

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Jun 11, 2002, 9:24:43 AM6/11/02
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Like who? Someone that I would recognize? How would I discern his
technical abilities? matt

John Stax

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Jun 11, 2002, 9:40:42 AM6/11/02
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> >Quite likely, and it will be a real review by someone that isn't in the
> >business of selling effects pedals and therefore circumspect.
>
> Like who? Someone that I would recognize? How would I discern his
> technical abilities? matt

Like Harmony-Central ofcourse!!! LOL!!


RonSonic

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Jun 11, 2002, 7:08:36 PM6/11/02
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On 10 Jun 2002 15:36:55 GMT, time...@aol.com (TimePixDC) wrote:

Typical left-lib seeing life as a parade of caricatures and cliches.

Really, you are too old for that.

Ron

Dan Cooper

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"RonSonic" <rons...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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snip

>
> Typical left-lib seeing life as a parade of caricatures and cliches.
>
>
> Ron

LOL

Dan


Lord Valve

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Jun 12, 2002, 2:47:13 PM6/12/02
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The Lord stands corrected:

Subject:
Wiggler Review
Date:
Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:01:17 -0400
From:
"John Pisani" <(snipped)@sovtek.com>
To:
<detr...@ix.netcom.com>

>Hi Lord Valve,
>
>My name is John, I'm an engineer here at EH and
>I worked extensively on the three tube pedals that
>we currently are producing, although I did not do
>the actual circuit design. I have enjoyed reading
>your reviews not just because usually they are
>positive but also you get in there and talk about
>all the different aspects of the pedal.

>One thing bothered me on the Wiggler review though,
>which I wanted to clarify. You mention that you don't
>think the signal path is 100% tube in the Wiggler.
>It is. The LM324's only purpose is to synthesize the
>LFO, which is not an audio signal but a control
>signal. The audio inside the Wiggler never touches
>silicon, the entire signal path is tube, the same is
>true for all our tube pedals so far and will be for
>the future one's we are planning.
>
>The reason why I felt compelled to write to you and
>let you know this is because we work hard to make sure
>the signal path is all tube and we know that is something
>special amongst all the tube pedals out there.
>
>Thanks for the reviews, look forward to reading about
>the Zipper,
>
>John Pisani
>Design Engineer
>New Sensor/Electro-Harmonix


Lord Valve wrote:

> Lord Valve Revieweth:
>
> The new Electro-Harmonix "Wiggler" pedal put in an
> appearance at Castle Valve yesterday, courtesy of that
> wonderful brown truck we all know and love.

(SNIP)

> Lord Valve
> Tone Chaperone
>
> VISIT MY WEBSITE: http://www.nebsnow.com/LordValve
> I specialize in top quality HAND SELECTED NOS and
> current-production vacuum tubes for guitar and
> bass amps. Good prices, fast service.
> QSC amps, RNC compressors, lots of other good stuff!
>
> NBS Electronics, 230 South Broadway, Denver, CO 80209-1510
> Phone orders/tech support after 1:30 PM Denver time at 303-778-1156
>
> VISA - MASTERCARD - PAYPAL
>

> "I'm not an asshole, but I *play* one on the Internet." - Lord Valve
>
> Entire contents copyright 06/08/02, Lord Valve/Willie Whittaker

ts duke

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"Lord Valve" <LORD_...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> Lord Valve Revieweth:
>
> The new Electro-Harmonix "Wiggler
(snip)

Nice review, thanks. Btw, have you had a chance to try the guyatone
tube-based tremolo (i think it's called 'flip' series, or something like
that)? I wonder how the two compare.


Miles O'Neal

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Jun 12, 2002, 4:06:58 PM6/12/02
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Lord Valve <detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
|The Lord stands corrected:

But, but... but...

All these nice people say that you
never admit you're wrong! Gosh, I
am *so* confused...

Lord Valve

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Jun 12, 2002, 5:05:01 PM6/12/02
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I didn't admit I was wrong, I noted that I had made
an incorrect assumption - understandable, given the
lack of a schematic. ;-)

Lord Valve
Asshole

CompUser

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Jun 12, 2002, 6:17:44 PM6/12/02
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"Lord Valve" wrote ...

> I didn't admit I was wrong, I noted that I had made
> an incorrect assumption - understandable, given the
> lack of a schematic. ;-)


With a response like this,
methinks the Lord himself,
is a bit of a "wiggler", as well!

Steve

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