Tube Depot reputable?

Picasso

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May 5, 2008, 7:11:16 PM5/5/08

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Just about to order some Tung Sol 12ax7 New Production's from the Tube
Depot... are these guys reputable?

I Was going to order from Musiciansfriend who i have ordered from
before, but shipping is $34 to Canada (Fedex), its far less than this at
Tube Depot (USPS which i have had good luck with)

Also, is this extra $2 for "High Gain" a scam or what?

http://www.tubedepot.com/ts-12ax7.html
Is what i was looking at...

Three of them going in a marshall JTM30... i'm leaving the 6l6gc rca
blackplates in for now, i may take them out to store them for awhile and
experiment with something else, but for now they're staying in.

Thanks again.

Picasso

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May 5, 2008, 7:35:38 PM5/5/08

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I am looking for higher gain than the current ruby tubes 12ax7a's... the
ruby tubes are acting up badly...

Phil S.

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May 5, 2008, 7:40:30 PM5/5/08

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"Picasso" <Pic...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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There is always Lord Valve is you don't mind his politics. If you call him
for tubes or parts, he's all business unless you say otherwise.

Over at Amp Garage, they seem very high on Terry Kilgore a/k/a The Sarge
tkil...@tubetramp.com

I expect either one of these guys will fix you up, no extra charge for
personal service. Shipping to Canukastan is $34. I expect shipping to
Canada will be considerably less.

Psssssst.....I've got some high gain tubes; wanna see 'em? Special price
for you.

Elvis Kabong

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"Phil S." <psymonds...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Picasso" <Pic...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:481f940e$0$4081$9a56...@news.aliant.net...
>> Just about to order some Tung Sol 12ax7 New Production's from the Tube
>> Depot... are these guys reputable?
>>
>> I Was going to order from Musiciansfriend who i have ordered from before,
>> but shipping is $34 to Canada (Fedex), its far less than this at Tube
>> Depot (USPS which i have had good luck with)
>>
>> Also, is this extra $2 for "High Gain" a scam or what?
>>
>> http://www.tubedepot.com/ts-12ax7.html
>> Is what i was looking at...
>>
>> Three of them going in a marshall JTM30... i'm leaving the 6l6gc rca
>> blackplates in for now, i may take them out to store them for awhile and
>> experiment with something else, but for now they're staying in.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>
> There is always Lord Valve is you don't mind his politics. If you call
> him for tubes or parts, he's all business unless you say otherwise.

Yeah, I like the way those tubes have a smegma coating
on them and a hateful fascist vibe to them which is perfect
for death and destruction metal music of today, Fuck peace,
love and understanding! Not only that they make a really
smackeroo light show when they malfunction.

Phil S.

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"Elvis Kabong" <ampsc...@tuneland.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Phil S." <psymonds...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:l96dnc-6CrB2B4LV...@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Picasso" <Pic...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:481f940e$0$4081$9a56...@news.aliant.net...
>>> Just about to order some Tung Sol 12ax7 New Production's from the Tube
>>> Depot... are these guys reputable?
>>>
>>> I Was going to order from Musiciansfriend who i have ordered from
>>> before, but shipping is $34 to Canada (Fedex), its far less than this at
>>> Tube Depot (USPS which i have had good luck with)
>>>
>>> Also, is this extra $2 for "High Gain" a scam or what?
>>>
>>> http://www.tubedepot.com/ts-12ax7.html
>>> Is what i was looking at...
>>>
>>> Three of them going in a marshall JTM30... i'm leaving the 6l6gc rca
>>> blackplates in for now, i may take them out to store them for awhile and
>>> experiment with something else, but for now they're staying in.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>
>> There is always Lord Valve is you don't mind his politics. If you call
>> him for tubes or parts, he's all business unless you say otherwise.
>

> Yeah, I like the way those tubes have <snip suff in the middle>
> malfunction.
>
>
>
Hey Ed,
I've beem meaning to say "thanks" for mentioning the Sold-a-pult. I got one
on eBay dirt cheap and it turned out to be one of the higher end models. I
was taking apart a derelict amp tonight and it works like charm. I was in
the dark ages with the other one I've got. No comparison. Doesn't seem to
be coated with anything, either.
Phil

Mr Soul

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May 6, 2008, 8:02:04 AM5/6/08

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> I Was going to order from Musiciansfriend who i have ordered from
> before, but shipping is $34 to Canada (Fedex), its far less than this at
> Tube Depot (USPS which i have had good luck with)

If you'rein Canada, then you want to order fromt these guys -
http://thetubestore.com/.

Mr Soul
http://www.MikeCressey.com

Gamma Ray

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May 6, 2008, 7:19:23 AM5/6/08

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N. Michigan too? I've had + luck w/ these guys:

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WB

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Phil S. wrote: No comparison. Doesn't seem to

> be coated with anything, either.
> Phil
>
>

??? what is a SAP ?

Smooch, smooch
Slurp, slurp
Gargle, gargle

Elvis Kabong

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[TOADY TRANSLATION]
Suck, suck
Kiss, kiss,
Lick, lick

boardjunkie

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"Stephen Cowell" <sco...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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Thumb required, maybe the edge of your work bench. Not what you've got.
Everything is relative. I was using a really crappy solder sucker. I had
no idea there was a kind that actuall *sucks* this hard. The vac effect on
it is awesome. Given my amateur standing, this is really quite a satisfying
find and the price was right.

Premier Spigot

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On May 6, 3:39 pm, "LenBum" <Len...@optimum.net> wrote:
> I've never dealt with Tube Depot. I've only bought tubes from Lord Valve
> although it's been a few years. You can't talk to a more knowledgable valve
> guy. The few times I dealt with him the service was great and he was all
> business on the phone.
>

> "Phil S." <psymonds_no_s...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:l96dnc-6CrB2B4LV...@comcast.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Picasso" <Pica...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:481f940e$0$4081$9a56...@news.aliant.net...
> >> Just about to order some Tung Sol 12ax7 New Production's from the Tube
> >> Depot... are these guys reputable?
>
> >> I Was going to order from Musiciansfriend who i have ordered from before,
> >> but shipping is $34 to Canada (Fedex), its far less than this at Tube
> >> Depot (USPS which i have had good luck with)
>
> >> Also, is this extra $2 for "High Gain" a scam or what?
>
> >>http://www.tubedepot.com/ts-12ax7.html
> >> Is what i was looking at...
>
> >> Three of them going in a marshall JTM30... i'm leaving the 6l6gc rca
> >> blackplates in for now, i may take them out to store them for awhile and
> >> experiment with something else, but for now they're staying in.
>
> >> Thanks again.
>
> > There is always Lord Valve is you don't mind his politics. If you call
> > him for tubes or parts, he's all business unless you say otherwise.
>
> > Over at Amp Garage, they seem very high on Terry Kilgore a/k/a The Sarge

> > tkilg...@tubetramp.com

>
> > I expect either one of these guys will fix you up, no extra charge for
> > personal service. Shipping to Canukastan is $34. I expect shipping to
> > Canada will be considerably less.
>
> > Psssssst.....I've got some high gain tubes; wanna see 'em? Special price

> > for you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Now-a-days, everyone uses a *very* accurate means of matching power
tubes, so there's no good reason to pay more. On current, typical
guitar amp 9-pinners: NONE are really that fucking good. Go see Mike
Kropotkin (KCA) for some real ones - if you *care* that much. Come to
think of it, there's really only few new-production power tubes that
are worth a shit either... If you got a sweet tooth, however, Willy
Wonka can sugar coat some for ya. The End.

Lars

Elvis Kabong

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May 7, 2008, 2:34:37 AM5/7/08

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"Gamma Ray" <"fixed-441x82x"@.9spamenzee/my_pa-cks.net> wrote in message
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It appears every time fraud flub moons his lackeys with
his dishonest vomit, then suddenly toadies are drooling
all over themselves.

Gamma Ray

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May 7, 2008, 2:50:26 AM5/7/08

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Elvis Kabong wrote:

It's cool, that's 'Murka and hayrz have found nirvana;

http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Essays/Hazlitt/Hating.htm

in abusenet. Let them gorge themselves like ticks in a dead hog
pond...in filters. It's wonderful to see what the newsgroups look like
when you use the pull down menu under: "Message" and select "Create
filter from message". It becomes all good guys, all the time. :-) mvm

J.P.

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May 7, 2008, 4:38:20 AM5/7/08

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At least Marvin v Monkeysucker isn't attached to our peders like he is
others in the group...

Mr Soul

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May 7, 2008, 8:12:49 AM5/7/08

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I recommended The Tube Store on good faith. I have bought tubes for
them & they sell good tubes. End of discussion.

Mr Soul

Dave Curtis

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May 7, 2008, 10:18:12 AM5/7/08

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On Wed, 7 May 2008 05:12:49 -0700 (PDT), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I recommended The Tube Store on good faith. I have bought tubes for
>them & they sell good tubes. End of discussion.
>
>Mr Soul

Well, if you bought for them, it's only natural that you'd recommend
them. ;o)

I have bought power tubes from them & they drifted too much. End of
discussion.

-DC

J.P.

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May 7, 2008, 10:38:22 AM5/7/08

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On Wed, 7 May 2008 05:12:49 -0700 (PDT), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I recommended The Tube Store on good faith. I have bought tubes for

>them & they sell good tubes. End of discussion.
>
>Mr Soul

The group god speaks!

Lord Valve

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May 7, 2008, 10:54:00 AM5/7/08

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Dave Curtis wrote:

Some outfits burn their stock in, and some don't.

Some say they do, and don't.

End of discussion, indeed. ;-)

Lord Valve
Currently burning 250 Tung-Sol 6L6GC/STR

Mr Soul

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May 9, 2008, 9:55:52 AM5/9/08

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> Well, if you bought for them, it's only natural that you'd recommend
> them. ;o)

That's faulty logic if I've ever heard any.

> I have bought power tubes from them & they drifted too much. End of
> discussion.

Well did you break them in? These companies all sell tubes from the
same manufacturer's and I doubt if they break them in. If a tube
drifts, surely it's not the fault of the retailer unless they didn't
match the tubes correctly in the first place.

Mr Soul

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May 9, 2008, 10:18:28 AM5/9/08

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> The group god speaks!
No - that would be LV. Listen all these retailers sell the same tubes
from well known companies. You pick the tube that you like you buy it
from whomever gives you good service. The prices of most of these
tubes are roughly the same anyways, so the only thing that matters is
shipping/handling costs. It's a simple as that.

Mr Soul

J.P.

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May 9, 2008, 10:56:45 AM5/9/08

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On Fri, 9 May 2008 07:18:28 -0700 (PDT), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>> The group god speaks!

You seem to have missed LV's post the other day about haveing a big
number of tubes running on the burnin machine...isn't that about the
same as breaking them in? Do you even know what a load line is?

Mr Soul

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May 9, 2008, 11:16:33 AM5/9/08

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> You seem to have missed LV's post the other day about haveing a big
> number of tubes running on the burnin machine...isn't that about the
> same as breaking them in? Do you even know what a load line is?

No - I understand that he does that but so what? You can do that
yourself with new tubes.

If you want to order tubes from LV then go ahead - it's a free
country. I personally would never order tubes or anything from him &
that's my right also. No argument here.

Mr Soul

Lord Valve

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May 9, 2008, 11:30:43 AM5/9/08

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Mr Sole cobbled:

> > You seem to have missed LV's post the other day about haveing a big
> > number of tubes running on the burnin machine...isn't that about the
> > same as breaking them in? Do you even know what a load line is?
> No - I understand that he does that but so what? You can do that
> yourself with new tubes.

Sure you can.

And when you're done, they'll be drifted apart, because
they weren't burned in *prior* to matching. That's the
*point* - matching *after* a 24-48 (72, for some types)
hour aging period insures that drift will be minimized.

And, like I said - there are outfits which burn tubes in,
outfits which do not, and outfits which say they do but
don't. 'Nuff said.

Stick to Earth Shoes, son - it's your destiny/density.

Lord Valve
Expert (please obsess)

J.P.

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May 9, 2008, 1:37:12 PM5/9/08

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On Fri, 9 May 2008 08:16:33 -0700 (PDT), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>> You seem to have missed LV's post the other day about haveing a big

JFYI - The reason electronic things are "burned in" is not for some
sales pitch but because electronics people understand that there is a
certain percentage of parts that are going to fail. Some are DOA, some
fail within an hour, and some fail within days of installing them. for
a convenience to the customer and their selves also, as they have to
ship them back for credit, some more reputable distributors turn their
parts one for an amount of time to help eliminate the failures before
they are shipped. What this means to the customer is that buying from
this dealer, they are more likely to not have to ship the parts (tube)
back for a replacement , wasting shipping back $$ and down time...
You might still get a bum part because shipping can shake loose
stuff also but it does increase the odds in your favor. Also, some
places "match tubes" in unreliable ways. I prefer them to be matched
on reliable equipment at the voltages I will be running them at. Tube
testing can help spot problems but running at 400v or whatever for a
few hours can find them quicker..That's why I buy from LV. Plus his
shipping starts at $6 instead of the $13 some of the others start
at...this is business, not a political nor a guitard issue...

J.P.

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May 9, 2008, 1:47:04 PM5/9/08

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When I had the computer business in Houston, several IBM engineers
were my customers. They told me that IBM dod some serious research on
computers and came up with the fact that computers (and boards) that
were burned in (runing diagnostic software) for 72 hours had an 87%
success rate of lasting 4 years with no problems...Of course, for me
that covered the one year warranty I had to service.In fact, that one
72 hr. waste of electricity got me a rep for reliable machines all
over the engineering world in Houston. I had customers in those high
rise buildings downtown,lawyer firms, oil companies, engineering
firms, and all kinds of personal customers...on businessman from Lake
Charles,LA used to drive to my place for every purchase and repair
because I treated him right. So, it pays to do the right thing. These
blowhards might remember that when it comes to business...politics
and personal beliefs aside...networking brings in customers...talking
down other businesses doesn't...

Lord Valve

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May 9, 2008, 1:58:25 PM5/9/08

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"J.P." wrote:

Actually, I kicked my flat-rate shipping to $7.50.

The Post Office kicked rates yesterday. I did,
however, dump the $3 handling fee for orders
under $50. I hear ya on that, though - I just
ordered a 168-pin DIMM (PC133, 512 MB)
and the shipping was ten bucks. The damn
thing couldn't possibly weigh more than three
ounces. And if you think shipping is expensive
now, wait'll diesel hits $6+ per gallon. Hell,
the station across the street from my joint
had diesel at $4.09 yesterday; I went over
to my friend's store to give his pooches
their daily biscuit, and when I walked out
of his shop ten minutes later, it had gone
up to $4.29. Diesel was about thirty cents
cheaper than regular gas when I bought
my Sprinter; I was paying $2.59 less than
a year ago at highway stations where the
truckers fill up. In the warmer months, I can
get 20-22 MPG in the city if I don't punch
it. (Around 16 if I do. "Speed costs money;
how fast do you want to go?") The price
of diesel affects the price of *everything* -
freight rides on diesel, municipal electric
plants are often diesel powered, and
farm equipment runs diesel.

Time to put up some solar power satellites,
and time to drill for more oil, *wherever* it's
located.

Lord Valve
BaaaaaarrrrrAAAAACCCCCKKKKK!!! <Safety!>

Mr Soul

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May 9, 2008, 2:35:59 PM5/9/08

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> And when you're done, they'll be drifted apart, because
> they weren't burned in *prior* to matching. That's the
> *point* - matching *after* a 24-48 (72, for some types)
> hour aging period insures that drift will be minimized.

OK - I'll buy that. But all tubes will eventually drift apart.

Question - in a double blind study, could anyone (besides maybe an amp
tech), actually hear the drift in terms of the sound of their amp. I
seriously doubt it. And if you can, could you please quanitfy it.

Heck - most people will replace their tubes w/o even re-biasing, so
whether or not they're matched is probably irrelevant.

Serioulsy - if you can quantify how bad the drift gets & whether or
not it makes a real difference in sound, then I'll start buying my
tubes from you.

> And, like I said - there are outfits which burn tubes in,
> outfits which do not, and outfits which say they do but
> don't. 'Nuff said.

I don't know of any of the major online stores that I've dealt with
that do that. Seems like a money loser to me.

Mr Soul

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May 9, 2008, 2:40:31 PM5/9/08

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> JFYI - The reason electronic things are "burned in" is not for some
> sales pitch but because electronics people understand that there is a
> certain percentage of parts that are going to fail. Some are DOA, some
> fail within an hour, and some fail within days of installing them. for
> a convenience to the customer and their selves also, as they have to
> ship them back for credit, some more reputable distributors turn their
> parts one for an amount of time to help eliminate the failures before
> they are shipped. What this means to the customer is that buying from
> this dealer, they are more likely to not have to ship the parts (tube)
> back for a replacement , wasting shipping back $$ and down time...
> You might still get a bum part because shipping can shake loose
> stuff also but it does increase the odds in your favor. Also, some
> places "match tubes" in unreliable ways. I prefer them to be matched
> on reliable equipment at the voltages I will be running them at. Tube
> testing can help spot problems but running at 400v or whatever for a
> few hours can find them quicker..That's why I buy from LV. Plus his
> shipping starts at $6 instead of the $13 some of the others start
> at...this is business, not a political nor a guitard issue...

OK - I buy that but I've never had a bad tube come into me but then
again, I don't buy tubes all that often.

Mr Soul

Gamma Ray Bursts U

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May 9, 2008, 1:24:37 PM5/9/08

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Mr Soul wrote:
>>
>
> If you want to order tubes from LV then go ahead - it's a free
> country. I personally would never order tubes or anything from him &
> that's my right also. No argument here.
>
> Mr Soul

:-)

Dave Curtis

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May 9, 2008, 3:25:28 PM5/9/08

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On Fri, 9 May 2008 06:55:52 -0700 (PDT), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>> Well, if you bought for them, it's only natural that you'd recommend

>> them. ;o)
>That's faulty logic if I've ever heard any.
>
>> I have bought power tubes from them & they drifted too much. End of
>> discussion.
>Well did you break them in?

Why, yes! And after I did they were magically no longer matched,
because a good matching process involves "breaking them in" <before>
they are matched. This is known as the "burn in" process.

>These companies all sell tubes from the
>same manufacturer's and I doubt if they break them in.

I have seen something about burn racks on the JJ site...

>If a tube
>drifts, surely it's not the fault of the retailer unless they didn't
>match the tubes correctly in the first place.
>
>Mr Soul

I beg to differ. If they're matching tubes without a good burn-in,
it's their fault.

-DC

Dave Curtis

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May 9, 2008, 3:41:56 PM5/9/08

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On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:35:59 -0700 (PDT), Mr Soul <pc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>> And when you're done, they'll be drifted apart, because

>> they weren't burned in *prior* to matching. That's the
>> *point* - matching *after* a 24-48 (72, for some types)
>> hour aging period insures that drift will be minimized.
>OK - I'll buy that. But all tubes will eventually drift apart.

Eventually, and very slowly, too. These drifted after only 50-60 hours
and had a pretty good spread when I pulled them out.

>Question - in a double blind study, could anyone (besides maybe an amp
>tech), actually hear the drift in terms of the sound of their amp. I
>seriously doubt it. And if you can, could you please quanitfy it.

Hummmmm. I noticed it before I measured it. IIRC, they were over 4
watts apart.

>Heck - most people will replace their tubes w/o even re-biasing, so
>whether or not they're matched is probably irrelevant.

Heck, indeed. Russian roulette for amplifiers.

>Serioulsy - if you can quantify how bad the drift gets & whether or
>not it makes a real difference in sound, then I'll start buying my
>tubes from you.

I'll vouch for the product, and I hear he has a good warranty too.
Unless you want to shoot the shit, he's all business on the phone.

>> And, like I said - there are outfits which burn tubes in,
>> outfits which do not, and outfits which say they do but
>> don't. 'Nuff said.
>I don't know of any of the major online stores that I've dealt with
>that do that. Seems like a money loser to me.
>
>Mr Soul

The money-loser is a pair of tubes that are no longer matched. They
lost my business.

-DC

Mr Soul

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> I beg to differ. If they're matching tubes without a good burn-in,
> it's their fault.

I understand what you are saying. Can you name one company (other
than LV) that advertises that they do a burn-in process before
matching? You seem to be assuming that this is standard procedure -
is it?

I couldn't find a thing on The Tube Store's web site saying that they
do this. Did you ask them before you bought the tubes? Did you
contact them after they drifted apart?

I've replaced the tubes on my '62 Vibrolux several times & never had
it re-biased. I've never had the problems you describe with the
sound. Maybe I got lucky?

Mr Soul

Gamma Ray Bursts U

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May 9, 2008, 3:00:59 PM5/9/08

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Check out tube world,sheboygan,mi.

Elvis Kabong

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"Lord Valve" <detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:48246E23...@ix.netcom.com...

> Mr Sole cobbled:
>
>> > You seem to have missed LV's post the other day about haveing a big
>> > number of tubes running on the burnin machine...isn't that about the
>> > same as breaking them in? Do you even know what a load line is?
>> No - I understand that he does that but so what? You can do that
>> yourself with new tubes.
>
> Sure you can.
>
> And when you're done, they'll be drifted apart, because
> they weren't burned in *prior* to matching. That's the
> *point* - matching *after* a 24-48 (72, for some types)
> hour aging period insures that drift will be minimized.

So what? It just might sound better to the owner. Sheeks!
There's nothing wrong with a bit of signal asymmetry. In fact,
some may prefer the result.

What IS important is tone and reliability and using tubes that
are NOT handled by some senile dildo or some fascist bastard
asshole who hates peace, love and understanding and imbues tubes
with a creepy negative vibe and shitty by-products of greed,
flatulence and evil spirits like the goosing ghost of Runny Realbum.

> And, like I said - there are outfits which burn tubes in,
> outfits which do not, and outfits which say they do but
> don't. 'Nuff said.
>
> Stick to Earth Shoes, son - it's your destiny/density.
>

> wet fart willy
> Pervert (please obsess)
> was never cool, still is not cool
>
>