Gibson suing Tokai
Lars Overshank
http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/05/52442162.shtml?Element_ID=52442162
Lars
Chris Berry
"Lars Overshank" <la...@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> An interesting story here:
>
>
http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/05/52442162.shtml?Element_ID=52442162
>
is the price tag and the "nashville factory".
When they finally put things together better, they'll have to drop the
prices bacause of the hash they made since the late 80's.
cb
PMG
The Tokai Love Rock (stupid name) looks a whole lot more like the Les
Paul than the PRS single cutaway did.
http://www2.wbs.ne.jp/~tokai/loverock.htm
In fact, they look pretty good in the pics. The Goldtop with the P90s
looks rather good.
They don't have very good pictures though.
I don't even know who sells Tokai guitars. I suppose I could look it
up, but this is starting to seem trivial of Gibson.
IMO, they sued PRS because they're major competition, and I understand
that lawsuit, because you don't want your number one competitor
selling a guitar strongly based on your big money maker, but Tokai?
Those guys are hardly in the same market.
Pete
--
Time is an abstract concept created by carbon based life forms
to monitor their on going decay. --Thundercles
Russell
Just noticed their site hasn't been updated since October last year...
At least their UK distro has a more professional site:
www.tokai-guitars.co.uk
I've noticed an online shop has a Korean made Love Rock Goldtop for £349.
Reading the reviews on HC, buyers are saying these play and sound better
than the Epiphone and even the Gibson Les Pauls, both of which cost more.
Russell
kp
On 8-Jun-2004, PMG <xxxxxx...@xxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
> I don't even know who sells Tokai guitars. I suppose I could look it
> up, but this is starting to seem trivial of Gibson.
I've been under the impression that Tokai no longer has any US dealers, and
hasn't had for some time. I was told that if one wanted to buy a new Tokai,
they'd have to buy it in Canada, Japan, or some other country. I don't know
if this is true.
I do know that Tokai has made some very high quality repros in the past.
Thier Fender copies were EXACT at one time.
~ kp
kp
On 8-Jun-2004, "Chris Berry" <christ...@Notmail.com> wrote:
> Just shows you that the only thing that's special about gibsons these days
> is the price tag and the "nashville factory".
> When they finally put things together better, they'll have to drop the
> prices bacause of the hash they made since the late 80's.
> cb
Actually, I think they're getting better. Or at least having a good day now
and then. I thought I'd NEVER say that, I've been very down on Gibson and
their crap products for the past 20 years. But I just bought a couple of
new ones, and one (a 2003 Flying V) is completely FLAWLESS. I also bought
one of the second generation Faded Flying V's. It's much better than any of
the first generation I tried. Maybe I just got a couple of exceptional
ones? As Tom Petty said, "Even the losers get lucky sometimes".
Aside from their guitars, Gibson still sucks. They should be drawn and
quartered for charging the prices they charge.
~kp
RonSonic
>On 8 Jun 2004 13:49:14 -0700, la...@stny.rr.com (Lars Overshank) wrote:
>
>>An interesting story here:
>>
>>http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/05/52442162.shtml?Element_ID=52442162
>>
>>Lars
>
>The Tokai Love Rock (stupid name) looks a whole lot more like the Les
>Paul than the PRS single cutaway did.
>
>http://www2.wbs.ne.jp/~tokai/loverock.htm
>
>In fact, they look pretty good in the pics. The Goldtop with the P90s
>looks rather good.
>
>They don't have very good pictures though.
>
>I don't even know who sells Tokai guitars. I suppose I could look it
>up, but this is starting to seem trivial of Gibson.
>
>IMO, they sued PRS because they're major competition, and I understand
>that lawsuit, because you don't want your number one competitor
>selling a guitar strongly based on your big money maker, but Tokai?
>Those guys are hardly in the same market.
Huh? Tokai are the guys who got Fender's attention years ago. When they clone a
guitar it's pretty serious. Not a real big name but big enough to put a hurt on
a company that's trying to live off it's logo.
Ron
PMG
Wow, they're making some good looking guitars. In their "New Guitars"
section, check out the white SG knockoff, with the P90 pickups at the
bottom of the page. They also seem to be building some models
strongly based on PRS guitars. And they have a Rosewood Tele too.
I looked around (only briefly) and couldn't figure out what USA
dealers actually carry them. MF, Sam Ash, AMS, Woodwind & Brasswind,
Music123.... none of them carry Tokai.
Check out the Tokai Les Paul on this page!
http://www.flyingvintage.com/gcmag/reborn.html
It says "Les Paul" right on it!!! That one looks like a *very* nice
Les Paul too. I think the one in the pics is one of Tokai's very
early copies.
allen watsky
were for a time , exact copies and very good guitars. They are blatant !
Gibson needs too keep their lawyers busy......Gibsons have always been good
product, sometimes they fail at being good instruments is all. AW
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PMG
wrote:
Yeah, I'm noticing some very good copies (in the pics anyhow) now that
I'm looking around some more. KP says that there aren't any USA
dealers anymore, and I sure couldn't dig any up. There seem to be a
few of them floating around on Ebay, but a lot of them are in another
country.
Ed Cregger
"PMG" <xxxxxx...@xxxxxxxx.net> wrote
> (snip)
> Check out the Tokai Les Paul on this page!
>
> http://www.flyingvintage.com/gcmag/reborn.html
>
> It says "Les Paul" right on it!!! That one looks like a *very* nice
> Les Paul too. I think the one in the pics is one of Tokai's very
> early copies.
Perhaps the concept of a trademark is something that Tokai's executives
cannot understand? Using "Les Paul" without permission is asking for it.
I'll have to back off my scorn for Gibson on this one. I'd sue the blaggarts
too.
Ed Cregger
Rich Koerner
Well, why patent something, when you can trademark it, and get better protection.
There is something wrong going on here.
I knew when the laws were changed in 78, that this would lead to no good.
The concept of the trademark was for, as the lawyer I had seen at the time said, it for mainly
protected company identification in the visual medial.
For example, their name and logo.
Patents, were to protect *this* company's products.
So, WHY even bother with a patent at all.
<thinking>
Hell, if I trademark the shape of a car,.........
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If it has four wheels on it, doors, trunk, windows,... I can sue your ass.
I'll single handedly, take over the auto industry by storm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then, next, I'll trademark the airplane too!!!
If it has wings, I'll sue your ass off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<thinking>
So, what's up with this trademark shit.
Regards,
Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com
Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers
tubeguru
"kp" <none@all> wrote in message news:trKdnfXuxJ-...@giganews.com...
>
Actually I think that Tokai isn't allowed to sell guitars in the US as the
result of a prior lawsuit by Gibson or Fender or both in the late seventies
or early eighties. I played a few Tokai strats when I was in Ireland in '85
and they were sweet, much better than the Fenders of the day. I believe the
first Japanese Fenders in the '80s were made by Tokai, because Fender didn't
have
a plant in the US for a few years after the company was bought from CBS.
Tubeguru
widefault
Tokai quit using "Les Paul Reborn" shortly after they
started making them. That was in '76, 11 years before Gibson
decided to get their trademark.
AndyB
Invictus
"widefault" <wide...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That is a horse of a different color.
Ed Cregger
GregD/Oasysco
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Another lawsuit era to drive up prices of knock-offs in 20 years.
Greg
PMG
wrote:
I'd love to try one of their "Les Paul Reborn" guitars, but I don't
imagine I'll get a chance to. In the pictures, the thing looks a lot
like a good Gibson. I definitely thought that it was interesting when
I found that website.
I imagine that it probably has something to do with why Gibson
targeted them, even though it's years later.
I guess that their renamed LP is close enough to a real one that
they're still going after them.
The trouble is that many hardcore Les Paul enthusiasts scoff at
guitars by Epi, Tokai and Agile, but the not so hardcore Les Paul
enthusiast is just as likely to jump ship over these recent suing.
RonSonic
I met some Tokai "Strats" at a music store a little over 20 years ago. This was
a high-end shop, Silver Strings in St Louis and I swear those Tokais belonged in
there next to the Hamers, vintage Gibsons and Fenders and the like. They
actually FELT like 60s Strats.
Ron
claudel
At one point I had one of the first ones after they changed the
name from "Les Paul Reborn" to "Love Rock". Late '70s/Early 80's
vintage. It was a pretty guitar. Beautiful cherryburst with a
nice touch of flame, but not too gaudy. Nice piece of rosewood
for a fretboard. It sounded great as well, even tho I prefer
the single-coil Fender sound. It played easily and except for
the contour of the top of the headstock and the name was hard
to tell apart from a Gibson. I offed it because it had a strange
instability problem with the neck. If i sat it in my lap flat and
tuned it with an accurate tuner, it would be noticibly (to me)
slightly out of tune when I moved it to playing position. That
turned out to be so annoying that I sold it before I played a
Pete Townshend finale with it. I don't think all of 'em are like
that, as I've never heard any other similar complaints...
I've never had another guitar that had that type of problem, either.
You'd think a bolt on neck would have that kind of weirdness, but
none of my Fenders do.
Claude
claudel
I once had a really nice maple necked Tokai "Goldstar Sound" strat copy
that, other than a really awful metallic pink finish, was scary like
my genuine '55 Fender. Cost me a whole $300.00. I let that one go cause
I was playing it instead of the "real" one. I also had a "Breezy Sound"
Wine Red Tele Custom (with body binding) that was a great instrument too.
Both had great necks. Fat & straight, just like '50s Fenders.
I gave the Breezy Sound to a friend of mine for Christmas one year...
Great names, eh? The rosewood neck Strat one was the "Springy Sound"
Interesting web site at:
http://www.tokairegistry.com/registry.html
Claude
KZ
>
> Well, why patent something, when you can trademark it, and get better
protection.
>
> There is something wrong going on here.
>
> I knew when the laws were changed in 78, that this would lead to no good.
>
>
> The concept of the trademark was for, as the lawyer I had seen at the time
said, it for mainly
> protected company identification in the visual medial.
>
> For example, their name and logo.
Like the backwards "R" in the Toys-R-Us logo.
Also for example, the specific shape of the product. I believe that the
shape of the old Coca-Cola bottle is a trademark, for example.
>
> Patents, were to protect *this* company's products.
>
> So, WHY even bother with a patent at all.
>
>
> <thinking>
>
> Hell, if I trademark the shape of a car,.........
>
>
> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> If it has four wheels on it, doors, trunk, windows,... I can sue your
ass.
>
> I'll single handedly, take over the auto industry by
storm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think in your frustration that you're over-simplifying the situation.
Four wheels, doors etc. does not make one car stand out from the rest. I'd
think it would have to be some new design and at least something that hasn't
been already patented or trademarked. We got into this in an earlier thread
on the lawsuit by Gibson over PRS. It was shown by some posters that in
fact, Les Paul was not the original guitar to have that basic shape. The
fact is however that it was Gibson who legally got the trademark. Whether
it's right or not: that's the law. If I was an investor and I knew that
Gibson had trademark protection for the Les Paul shape, I'd be a little
browned-off that someone else was making money on it when I invested with
the understanding that legally, only Gibson had the rights to the basic
shape.
Having said that, I love the Japanese made Tokai guitars. Very well made
(the Korean made ones are not as nice). We've been able to buy them here in
Canada. They've altered the shape slightly on some of them in recent years
(the horn on the cutaway looks smaller to me). They call it the Love-Rock
and use a script on the logo so that it would be hard to tell from more than
10 feet that it wasn't a Gibson.
KZ
PMG
wrote:
My Les Pauls have been pretty stabile tuning wise. I have more
problems with myself playing out of tune, than the guitars. It's too
bad your Tokai had problems.
I don't think bolt on necks that Fender *usually* uses are much of a
stability problem if they're bolted down well. And they probably have
a slight advantage tuning wise, in that the string go straight,
between the nut, and the tuners.
There're a few companies (PRS is probably the most notable) that've
sort of adopted this, only in a three tuners per side arrangement. My
Switch guitar's headstock kind of owes it's tuner arrangement to PRS
guitars, and it's very good at staying in tune.
claudel
Yeah, other than the fact that the tuning problems pist me off,
it was a pretty nice guitar for < $600.00. I use a tuner, because
I don't trust my manual tuning skills, but I still hear "out of tune"
probably too easily.
>
>I don't think bolt on necks that Fender *usually* uses are much of a
>stability problem if they're bolted down well. And they probably have
>a slight advantage tuning wise, in that the string go straight,
>between the nut, and the tuners.
Could be. I think that the neck actually shifted slightly on that
particular Tokai, rather than it being a matter of the strings
angling from the nut to the tuners. I've had Gibsons that didn't
misbehave in that way.
If I yank down too hard on my Esquire with the B-Bender I sometimes
shift the neck and throw everything out. It's because the holes in
the body for the neck screws are too large. I'm too busy/lazy to
take it apart and dowel the holes and redrill in the proper size.
That one has steel inserts in the neck, and machine screws instead
of wood screws, so I can take the neck off and throw it in a suitcase
for travelling and then screw it back on without mangling the neck.
I probably should put brass inserts in the body with the proper
inside diameter for the machine screws, but I'm too busy/lazy. :^)
I'll get to it Real Soon Now.
Claude
PMG
wrote:
I've been really tempted to put a couple drops of Elmers between the
neck & body of a couple of the Fender type guitars that I've put
together. Not enough to hold the neck permanent, but enough to keep
it from shifting around when I'm not as gentle with the guitar as I
could be.
Seems a bit drastic though, and the question is, how much glue would
it take? You know. A couple of 1/8" diameter drops?
But you could probably add to the stability of a Fender neck by
shimming the neck pocket too.
I've never researched the problem actually, but I do have a
FrankenTele built on a Washburn Tele body (a second), with a Kubicki
Strat neck. And that guitar has problems if I wrench at the neck too
hard.
But I'm getting ready to take the neck, and use it on my Warmoth
Strat. I'm planning a big parts juggle operation in an attempt to
finally get me a good Strat.
Zorrro_2k
And what should we do to those who PAY those prices ? Did you HAVE to
have those two new ones...really ? No, but you WANTED them and
therefore paid the price.
claudel
PMG <xxxxxx...@xxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:06:35 GMT, cla...@bolt.sonic.net (claudel)
>wrote:
>
>>
>>particular Tokai, rather than it being a matter of the strings
>>angling from the nut to the tuners. I've had Gibsons that didn't
>>misbehave in that way.
>>
>>If I yank down too hard on my Esquire with the B-Bender I sometimes
>>shift the neck and throw everything out. It's because the holes in
>>the body for the neck screws are too large. I'm too busy/lazy to
>>take it apart and dowel the holes and redrill in the proper size.
>>That one has steel inserts in the neck, and machine screws instead
>>of wood screws, so I can take the neck off and throw it in a suitcase
>>for travelling and then screw it back on without mangling the neck.
>>I probably should put brass inserts in the body with the proper
>>inside diameter for the machine screws, but I'm too busy/lazy. :^)
>>
>>I'll get to it Real Soon Now.
>>
>>Claude
>
>I've been really tempted to put a couple drops of Elmers between the
>neck & body of a couple of the Fender type guitars that I've put
>together. Not enough to hold the neck permanent, but enough to keep
>it from shifting around when I'm not as gentle with the guitar as I
>could be.
>
>Seems a bit drastic though, and the question is, how much glue would
>it take? You know. A couple of 1/8" diameter drops?
I don't think glue has that much shear strength to hold in that direction.
PLus, it'd be easy to rip the surface of the wood if the glue held.
>
>But you could probably add to the stability of a Fender neck by
>shimming the neck pocket too.
>
>I've never researched the problem actually, but I do have a
>FrankenTele built on a Washburn Tele body (a second), with a Kubicki
>Strat neck. And that guitar has problems if I wrench at the neck too
>hard.
>
>But I'm getting ready to take the neck, and use it on my Warmoth
>Strat. I'm planning a big parts juggle operation in an attempt to
>finally get me a good Strat.
Good plan. I think that the wiggle room in the neck screw holes
allows the neck to shift. If there's no room for the screws to move
around, then you almost have to bend the screws or tear them out of
the neck for there to be any wobble....
Warmoth makes great stuff. I've been pleased with everything ( 2 bass
necks over the years) than I've gotten from them. The last neck I
got from them is _really_ good.
Claude
Scott McKnight
wrote:
I've had shiftyneck disease on my '76 Strat too. At one point a
friend put a piece of metal window screen between the neck and pocket.
It stopped the shifting for about ten years until I had the frets
dressed. The guy who did the frets had never heard of the screen
trick, found the screen, and pitched it, assuming it to be some
bizarre mistake. The neck shifts all the time now - all I have to do
is move the wrong way, I hear slight cracking noise and all the
strings are way out of tune. That's one reason I rarely play my
Fender Strat anymore.
-Scott
PMG
<npine.remove.this@.bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>I've had shiftyneck disease on my '76 Strat too. At one point a
>friend put a piece of metal window screen between the neck and pocket.
>It stopped the shifting for about ten years until I had the frets
>dressed. The guy who did the frets had never heard of the screen
>trick, found the screen, and pitched it, assuming it to be some
>bizarre mistake. The neck shifts all the time now - all I have to do
>is move the wrong way, I hear slight cracking noise and all the
>strings are way out of tune. That's one reason I rarely play my
>Fender Strat anymore.
>
>-Scott
I kind of like the screen idea. But are you talking about under the
neck, like a shiv, or along side of the neck to take up excess space
in the neck socket?
You'll have to get your friend to re screen your neck!
claudel
Great idea, Scott. I'll need to remember that one.
Sounds as if you need another piece of screen...
Claude
RonSonic
>On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:38:34 GMT, Scott McKnight
><npine.remove.this@.bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
>>I've had shiftyneck disease on my '76 Strat too. At one point a
>>friend put a piece of metal window screen between the neck and pocket.
>>It stopped the shifting for about ten years until I had the frets
>>dressed. The guy who did the frets had never heard of the screen
>>trick, found the screen, and pitched it, assuming it to be some
>>bizarre mistake. The neck shifts all the time now - all I have to do
>>is move the wrong way, I hear slight cracking noise and all the
>>strings are way out of tune. That's one reason I rarely play my
>>Fender Strat anymore.
>>
>>-Scott
>
>I kind of like the screen idea. But are you talking about under the
>neck, like a shiv, or along side of the neck to take up excess space
>in the neck socket?
Yep, the screen goes flat in the pocket under the neck. Back out the
"micro-tilt" adjust screw and if it needs a shim use another layer of screen.
>You'll have to get your friend to re screen your neck!
Prevent burning as well.
Ron
PMG
wrote:
I really need to try this next Strat I stick together. I wrote it
down on a post it note so that hopefully I'll remember.
Dave Curtis
>I've never researched the problem actually, but I do have a
>FrankenTele built on a Washburn Tele body (a second), with a Kubicki
>Strat neck. And that guitar has problems if I wrench at the neck too
>hard.
>
>But I'm getting ready to take the neck, and use it on my Warmoth
>Strat. I'm planning a big parts juggle operation in an attempt to
>finally get me a good Strat.
Hi Pete,
What I've found to work well is a piece of sanding screen in the neck
pocket. You know, the stuff the drywall guys use. Or the metal window
screen suggestion would work also.
-Dave
RonSonic
Really only needed with the three-bolt types. Or maybe I've been lucky.
Ron
PMG
Window screen, I think I have some scraps of. I'd have to look up
what dry wallers use. There were some dry wallers here several years
ago, but I stayed away from the whole operation.
PMG
wrote:
I think that the Wasburn Tele body had large holes. They might have
used bolts instead of screws. That's probably why that one has minor
problems.
I'll probably reuse that body because it has good resonance.
I stood there tapping on a stack of Washburn Tele bodies for about a
half hour to pick one out. It was one of those ideal situations.
kp
On 9-Jun-2004, Chief...@hotmail.com (Zorrro_2k) wrote:
> > Aside from their guitars, Gibson still sucks. They should be drawn and
> > quartered for charging the prices they charge.
> >
> > ~kp
>
> And what should we do to those who PAY those prices ?
Same. Nothing you CAN do.
> Did you HAVE to have those two new ones...really ?
> No, but you WANTED them
Yes, I did HAVE to have it.. When I want something, I have to have it.
That's just the way I am.
I actually wanted to really put the best Gibson Flying V's I could find
against my Epiphone Korina(s). You've got arguments on both sides of the
fence about the relative quality. Owning both, I'm pretty qualified to make
the judgement I needed to make, once and for all.
My observation is that you can find things to nit pick about both. People
complain that the Epiphones need to have the electronics changed out. But
each of my Gibsons has had a pot crap out, and the 500T pickups are
*extremely* debatable. I had to pull them out of my V-Factor and put a
Lawrence in there. So, what's the difference? No real contest there.
Bottom line is, after all is said and done, the Epiphone plays and sounds as
good as either Gibson, or better. And I paid a whopping $350, new with a
case, versus the $1,000. for the Gibson. But now I've got it, and now I
know. And when the price has finally tripled, I'll still be playing what
I've got and grinnin' my ass off because I know what I've got and what's a
lot of bullshit. Let 'em figure out why I'm playing my Epi when there's a
Gibson sitting in the guitar stand. Fact is, ALL of my guitars are good
guitars, or I wouldn't have them in the first place. But the Gibson's are
too expensive and NOT really worth the extra price if you don't have money
to burn and just want a good working guitar.
> and
> therefore paid the price.
I've been bitching about the prices for years. While the guitars are
actually worth about half of what they cost after discount, fact of the
matter is, they'll never be any cheaper than they are today. All they do is
go up and up and up. If you DO want one, you'd better get it today, or pay
more tomorrow. They DO seem to be making better guitars lately.
~kp
kp
"work horse" for me since '84, and looks like the ones Fender now sells as
"Relics". It's got a Fender neck on it now, but only because I wore the
frets out on the Tokai neck. GREAAAT guitar!
Check out Stevie Ray Vaughan. I used to have a poster with him and Tommy
Shannon endorsing Tokai guitars, but it's long gone.
http://www.flyingvintage.com/gcmag/srv.html
~kp
kp
On 9-Jun-2004, PMG <xxxxxx...@xxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
> I've been really tempted to put a couple drops of Elmers between the
> neck & body of a couple of the Fender type guitars that I've put
> together. Not enough to hold the neck permanent, but enough to keep
> it from shifting around when I'm not as gentle with the guitar as I
> could be.
>
> Seems a bit drastic though, and the question is, how much glue would
> it take? You know. A couple of 1/8" diameter drops?
You've got the right idea. Here's what my guitar guy recommended when I had
that problem with one guitar, and it works great. Instead of Elmer's, use a
dab of RTV, a spot about the size of a dime, in middle of the neck pocket.
Bolt the neck back together and let it set up overnight. That'll keep it
from moving until you decide to take the neck off again.
~kp
kp
On 10-Jun-2004, RonSonic <rons...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> Really only needed with the three-bolt types. Or maybe I've been lucky.
>
> Ron
You've been lucky.
~kp
Marc Mulay
Don't try that at home though, yours may cause the
neck to slip off and impale one of the critters
outside your unabomber shack ;-)
PMG
RTV. That's like that silicon sealant?
That would be easy I guess, and the neck would probably come right up
if it needed to.
kp
On 10-Jun-2004, PMG <xxxxxx...@xxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
> RTV. That's like that silicon sealant?
Exactly.
> That would be easy I guess, and the neck would probably come right up
> if it needed to.
Tke out the bolts, give the back of the neck a sharp rap with the palm of
your hand, and she's free. I've done it, so I can testify that it works.
Just don't use too much.
~kp
PMG
I'll have to see how tight the neck is. I have another project I've
been dragging my feet on, that I really need to get to first, because
I'm really more of a humbucker player.
Actually, this might be an easier project, and it is something I
should have taken care of first. I have the Strat pickguard assembly
that I'm going to use freed up, but I still need to pull apart a
couple guitars before I can start assembling the thing.
kp
On 10-Jun-2004, PMG <xxxxxx...@xxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
> Actually, this might be an easier project, and it is something I
> should have taken care of first.
> I have the Strat pickguard assembly
> that I'm going to use freed up, but I still need to pull apart a
> couple guitars before I can start assembling the thing.
Don't do it until you're ready to string it up again. You want to make sure
that both E strings are aligned properly with the edges of the fretboard
before it sets up.
~kp
Dave Curtis
>I'd have to look up
>what dry wallers use.
It looks kinda like window screen, but it's sandpaper with grit on
both sides.
-Dave
PMG
That'd be handy for bolt on necks I guess. Regular sandpaper with a
dot of glue on the non sand side, to hold it to the body would
probably work too.
allen watsky
"claudel" <cla...@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ca85qd$unq$1...@bolt.sonic.net...
suggest that my self. I have always found that bolt on necks are pretty
stable if the neck heel and the neck pocket are flat. often the cause of the
necks gliding around has to do with the thickness of the finish in the
neckpocket. I have always used a flat hard wood block with sand paper stuck
to it to scrub the thick poly finish flat in the neck pocket , lots of mid
70's fenders have lots of finish in that area and if you check it with a
straight edge you find that you are trying to bolt the neck to a very
imperfect surface. I under stand that some may have objections to this
"modification" but I think that if the instrument plays and sounds well its
a "good thing".I have found that it both the mating surfaces are flat the
neck does not shift. If the instrument is worth big paper don't touch
it.Don't do this with your C.A.R. custom color 62, but it wouldn't need it
anyway. But those goofy oversprayed monsters need all the help they can
get. The 3 bolt guitars are another deal entirely.Those necks with the
bullet rod are much more likely to fail anyway. using any of the microtilt
systems is a recipe for slippage. But still if the surfaces mate, slippage
is much less of a problem. So if you need to level the pocket do so, then if
necessary use a tapered shim that will allow for total contact. The
instrument will sound better and will be stable.Al W.