Marshall 4x10 cabinet

[D. Mary Wood]

Hi all,

I've found a Marshall 4x10 slant cab in my town and am having trouble
figuring out if it's the real deal. The guy who's selling it says it's a
4x10, "model number PE790" and that it was made in the 70's. He says the
speakers are ten inch greenbacks. Trouble is, when I tried to look it up in
my History Of Marshall book by Michael Doyle, there is no such model as a
PE790. According to the book, there were only two 4x10 cabs made in the
70's - the 2038 (60 watt lead slant cab) in 1972, and the 1991 (40 watt/ea
slant P.A. cab) between 67 and 72. So, my questions are these:

Was there ever really a 10" celestion greenback?
Has anyone ever heard of a PE790? Or a PE numbering system, period?
Does anyone know if the 4x10 cabs put out a decent or distinct tone?

If I buy this it will be my first Marshall cab, so any thoughts you
people may have would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Paul

[PMG]

I don't find 10 Greenbacks listed on Celestion's website
http://www.celestion.com/ , and when I did a search for PE790, none of
the search results appeared to be related to Marshall cabinets, and I
also don't see any mention of that cabinet model in the Doyle book.

I'm not saying that it's a fake, but with a quick (not exhaustive)
look I can't find ANY info that the guy gave you that can be confirmed
to be true. Not that I'd expect the Doyle book to cover everything,
and the same for the Celestion website, but still, you'd expect
SOMEthing to show up in a search for the cabinet model number in at
least one of the search engines I used... but nothing did.

Have you seen this cabinet? Does it look like a fake? Have you seen
the actual model name on the cabinet? Something doesn't add up here
IMO.

Pete

--
Keen observation Sherman --Mr. Peabody

[LenBum]

How much is he asking for the cabinet?
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[Grayswandir]

The only Marshall 4x10 I've heard of (that doesn't mean there aren't others)
is the 1965A and B, following the usual Marshall
A-for-slant-and-B-for-straight convention. They look exactly like somewhat
smaller standard Marshall 4x12's. The ones I've seen are 140 watts, so the
drivers must be 35 watt speakers, FWIW. Never heard of either a 10-inch
"greenback", or the PExxx model designation format.

Greyswandir

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[D. Mary Wood]

Thanks guys,

He's asking $500 for the cabinet. If it's real, it's a deal, but if
not, it's just throwing money in the fireplace. I'm going on pictures and
what he's said so far. I'd like to get an inkling that the thing's worth
checking out before going out there. Have either of you (PMG or Lenbum)
ever played through 4x10s? Do they have a unique sound worth trying out?

Paul

[PMG]

On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:48:47 -0700, "D. Mary Wood"
<mary...@interlynx.net> wrote:

>Thanks guys,
>
> He's asking $500 for the cabinet. If it's real, it's a deal, but if
>not, it's just throwing money in the fireplace. I'm going on pictures and
>what he's said so far. I'd like to get an inkling that the thing's worth
>checking out before going out there. Have either of you (PMG

I've never even been in the same room with one (that I know of)

>or Lenbum)
>ever played through 4x10s? Do they have a unique sound worth trying out?
>
>Paul

They might be worth trying, but if they're fake, then it's way the
hell too much money IMO. I don't know how wide Marshall 4x10
enclosures are, but if they're not as wide as your amp then they might
be inconvenient.

Just a sidenote, and I'm not suggesting buying one, but New Sensor has
4x10 enclosures for sale, not loaded with speakers for just under
$300. One of the main things about those that I wouldn't like is that
they aren't covered with Tolex, they're just pine. And if you don't
already have 4 ten inch speakers looking for a home, the price could
add up.

Pete

[shi...@mediaone.net]

Hey. I play through a Marshall 4x10 with an Orange AD30 and its
awesome! Perfect for small clubs even with no PA. I guess the 4x10's
were stock with the Lead 100 Marshall amps (Lead 100 for sale guys!).
The cab sounded great with the Lead 100 also. As far as unique sound
goes, I just think the bass tones are tighter at lower volumes when
compared to a 4x12. If you have any more questions such as
dimensions(it IS tiny), etc feel free to email me.
-Justin

[Matt Garman]

On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:48:47 -0700, D. Mary Wood <mary...@interlynx.net> wrote:
> checking out before going out there. Have either of you (PMG or Lenbum)
> ever played through 4x10s? Do they have a unique sound worth trying out?

I have a Marshall 4x10, although it's nothing like the one you're
considering. I believe the model of mine is "jtmc410" or something
similar. Physically, it wasn't made for their full-size heads, as my
jtm-45 reissue's feet are wider that the cab's "craters."

Anyway, I'm pretty happy with my cab except that it doesn't have the
bass response I'm looking for. When I crank my amp, I have to lower the
bass almost completely, otherwise the speakers "fart." Also, I've used
my amp through my friend's Marshall 4x12, and the speakers don't move as
much air. I.e., if I stand in front of the 4x12 with the amp cranked
and do some muted string raking, I can practically feel a breeze from
the 4x12. That isn't the case with my 4x10.

That being said, I don't know if the bass reponse is related to the
speakers in my cab, or 10-inch speakers in general. My cab has
Marshall-Celestion "Gold Back" speakers (which I'm guessing are pretty
cheap---they're certainly not sought after).

Anyway, I would try very hard to play on that cab before you buy it.

Matt

--
Matt Garman, gar...@uiuc.edu
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working time of every efficient member of a community goes to feed
the red fiend of war?" --Upton Sinclair, _The_Jungle_

[Marc Duhamel]

Hmmmm, which company might have used PE as a serial no...... I can't
remember , this all is making me a little bit PEaved...........

[Chris Mohrbacher]

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Paul,

The well-known more recent Marshall 4x10 models are worth half that. On the other hand I can't rule out that this might some rare,
long discontinued model with a really cool tone.

The more common 1965 model, with G10L-35 Celestions, are definitely worth the $225 or so that they go for, and have a unique sound
that is worth checking out.

If the guy is willing to snap and send you some pix of the inside, including a closeup of a speaker, I'll post 'em on my website for
further examination by our esteemed panel of experts. ;)

--- Chris

[brian mulvey]

That doesn't sound like a deal even if it IS real.

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[brian mulvey]

The other guitar player I play with has this (lead 100 + 4x10 setup) and
it's sounds kinda decent on it's own, but in a band context, and especially
against something much more decent (in this case, peavey classic 30) it's
real fatiguing to listen to. Guess it's reverse of the line-6 'where's my
amp?' syndrome.

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[MH]

No, not really. I got my 1965A for about $200, or less. I never
thought of it as such a desirable cab. Sounds good and holds its
ground, though.
-metalhead