Soldano X88R preamp and JCM900 100w dual reverb head
cragar
can any one give me some constructive advise (no slagging the jcm900)..
i have a jcm900 100watt dual reverb head and jcm800 quadbox.
i want the soldano sound!!!!!!! hehe
i love the eddie van halen sound and also the cc deville circa 88-91 sound.
(i have been told that cc used an x88r preamp ..
would i be better to get the preamp and hook it up to my jcm900 head or for
around the same price go for a hotrod50 single channel head and hook it up
to my quad box..
i either get a preamp to hook up to current config
or
just by a soldano head to hook up to my marshall quad
any ideas on the sound or anything .. i dont want to waste my money and i
dont have a lot of it.
i have a an ibanez virtual amp that has patches for soldano hr100 . and its
awesome and i saw a hr50 that sounded great just like the sound i want ..
but now i have seen an X88r for sale and an slo-100 that is twice as much ..
i aint a pro ..some say ..why do you need that if you aint great .. but god
damm it if i want the sound then i want to get it .!!
thanks guys and gals
PMG
I love your mag wheels.
Screw the preamp and the JCM900, you need an old Marshall if you're
going after the EVH sound. But you already knew that, right? & get
one of those annoying phase shifters he used too.
Pete
--
Can I borrow a bucket of worms
and a keg of gunpowder? --Froggo
cragar
and they made 5150 thats y they sound well not the same but in a way
yes...
"PMG" <avo...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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PMG
<beasty81@*nono*hotmail.com> wrote:
>from what i understand .. evh used a stock SLO-100 .. then went to peavey
>and they made 5150 thats y they sound well not the same but in a way
>yes...
Realistically (and how many times have you heard this before) most of
what you're hearing is Eddie. The VH album I thought was worthwhile
was the first one they put out, and that was a very old Marshall, and
to be honest, I don't give a rat's ass what amps he switched to over
the years, because that was when his sound worked really well.
But the man would still kick butt playing through a Danelectro amp
anyhow.
The more basic your setup is, the closer you'll be able to get to his
sound IMO, and that would involve not having any kind of separate
preamp or anything like that.
If you're going to stay with the JCM900, that's understandable, but
adding a preamp in front of it seems like 180º from the direction you
want to be heading. To me that is.
Ross M Stites
>would i be better to get the preamp and hook it up to my jcm900 head or for
>around the same price go for a hotrod50 single channel head and hook it up
>to my quad box..
You'd get far more flexability by going with the preamp and running it
through the power section of your JCM900. Just run it into the effects
return. The HR50 is a very nice amp, but you only get one sound at
a time. The X88 is three channel.
Then when you get some more money, just buy a good power amp to go
with the X88 and sell the JCM900.
Ross
Ross M Stites
>from what i understand .. evh used a stock SLO-100 .. then went to peavey
>and they made 5150 thats y they sound well not the same but in a way
>yes...
It's my understanding also that he's used stock SLO100's, and I wouldn't
be suprised at all if that's what's off stage for him. The 5150 is a very
poor imitation of a SLO100 if that's what it's trying to do. The 5150 is
all mud where the SLO100 is extremely clear at any distortion level.
Ross
Ross M Stites
>If you're going to stay with the JCM900, that's understandable, but
>adding a preamp in front of it seems like 180º from the direction you
>want to be heading. To me that is.
I don't see this at all. Why would you ever run a preamp in front of
a head? I'd always run one through the power section only. I see this as
a very good way to minimize his $ layout for a new sound.
Ross
cragar
i understand the X88r is a custom preamp by soldano ..
what about if i by an SLO head and run it through my quadbox. or would i be
still better to go for the preamp .. i dont have a need for an extreeme pro
setup .. its just something i want to pull out to the living room and crank
and jam .. i feel if i go for a power amp and speakers and all.. i am going
a little too far .. again by all means i aint a pro .. but i have dedication
and i want the good gear cause i know i will stick with it..
let me know your thoughts
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earl
the X88R is is the Pre-Amp section from a SLO100 Head. So instead of putting
a X88R in front of you JCM900's power amp stage you would be better off
selling your JCM 900 and putting the cah towards the SLO100. Plus the
SLO100's power amp section is far superior than the JCM900's!!
If you want stick to running a seperate Pre-amp consider the Soldano
X99/Caswell.. It's also the same Pre-amp section from the SLO100 and is a
much more versatile unit..
Cheers,
Andy
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Ross M Stites
>sounds like a plan.. how much do good power amps cost and what brands ..
My first choice would be VHT and my second Mesa/Boogie for power amps.
You'd spend somewhere between $300-800 used for a typical amp used for
guitar depending on power and the company (the VHT's go for more).
>i understand the X88r is a custom preamp by soldano ..
I guess you could call it that...but in that vein most of the other
amps by Soldano would probably be considered custom also...
>what about if i by an SLO head and run it through my quadbox. or would i be
>still better to go for the preamp .. i dont have a need for an extreeme pro
>setup .. its just something i want to pull out to the living room and crank
>and jam .. i feel if i go for a power amp and speakers and all.. i am going
>a little too far .. again by all means i aint a pro .. but i have dedication
>and i want the good gear cause i know i will stick with it..
The preamp will offer more sounds since it's three independent
channels. The SLO is a very nice amp though. Btw, you could also look
for one of the Soldano power amps down the road too, but they're very
pricy for what you get. Any of these are definitely pro level equipment,
and will be overkill for playing at home. OTOH if you have the $, you
might as well enjoy yourself. If you aren't going to be cranking it
up pretty good, I'd recommend going with the preamp. You'll get better
tone from that at lower volumes than from a head that's designed to be run
at very loud volumes.
The one big factor in favor of the amp head is resell. It'll be a lot
easier to find a buyer for any head than any preamp. If you're the type
to keep things forever don't worry about this. If you're the type that
will switch rigs fairly often then it's worth thinking about.
Ross
Ross M Stites
>dude,
>the X88R is is the Pre-Amp section from a SLO100 Head. So instead of putting
>a X88R in front of you JCM900's power amp stage you would be better off
>selling your JCM 900 and putting the cah towards the SLO100. Plus the
>SLO100's power amp section is far superior than the JCM900's!!
Yes, the SLO100's power section is much better than the JCM900 but the
preamp in the X88R and the SLO are obviously not identical since the X88R
has three independent channels and the SLO has two channels with shared
EQ.
>If you want stick to running a seperate Pre-amp consider the
Soldano
>X99/Caswell.. It's also the same Pre-amp section from the SLO100 and is a
>much more versatile unit..
It's the exact same three channels as the X88R. Yes, it has midi control
and programability and it also costs a small fortune. It's more of a
proof-of-concept than a realistic piece of equipment for most people.
Ross
nick kemp
Works real well with the boogie or Rivera power amps and what is often
forgotten is that as well as the monster overdrive, it has a great clean
sound too!
Nick
UK
"Ross M Stites" <stit...@garnet.tc.umn.edu> wrote in message
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earl
love it.. Tube crunch with warm fat lows!!..If you're gonna fork out and buy
an pre-amp as good as the Soldano gear make sure you don't skimp on the
power-amp stage.. Keep it all tube!!
Just for the record.. I contacted both Sean Ballou & Bill Sundt from Soldano
recently and they both told me that the X99 & X88R are the same pre-amp
stage as the SLO100 besides the automated side of the X99.. and although the
X88R is a 3 channel pre-amp, the crunch channel is actually a tweaked
version of the clean channel just the same as it works on the SLO100.
Earl
"Ross M Stites" <stit...@garnet.tc.umn.edu> wrote in message
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Ross M Stites
>I run a X99/Caswell Pre-amp with a Mesa Boogie Stereo Simulclass 295 and I
>love it.. Tube crunch with warm fat lows!!..If you're gonna fork out and buy
>an pre-amp as good as the Soldano gear make sure you don't skimp on the
>power-amp stage.. Keep it all tube!!
I agree completely. The one exception would be playing at very low
volumes. If the tubes aren't cranking at all, I don't really thing
they're an advantage over a good solid state power amp.
>Just for the record.. I contacted both Sean Ballou & Bill Sundt from Soldano
>recently and they both told me that the X99 & X88R are the same pre-amp
>stage as the SLO100 besides the automated side of the X99.. and although the
>X88R is a 3 channel pre-amp, the crunch channel is actually a tweaked
>version of the clean channel just the same as it works on the SLO100.
I assumed this was the case. So, the clean channel and crunch channel
on this are just the difference in throwing the clean/crunch switch
on the SLO...they just split them out into independent channels. I've
never looked at the back of either of these preamps. Do they have
effects loops, DI, etc. or just switching and signal outs?
Ross
earl
Input, output, midi-in, midi-out & midi through. I assume the X88R is the
same without the midi stuff.
And you're right about the volume thing.. My set-up is the best rig I've
used for venues where you can crank it on stage, but when you've got to play
at low volumes this might not be the best option.
Earl.
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Ross M Stites
>Not to sure about the X88R, but my Caswell is very basic at the back..
>Input, output, midi-in, midi-out & midi through. I assume the X88R is the
>same without the midi stuff.
I'd assume so also. Btw, I have the little brother to your setup. I have
one of the SP-77's through a Mesa 50/50. I don't have any complaints
about the sound after I replaced all of the tubes in the SP-77. It has
the same lead and clean channels as the X88R and the Caswell. I'd love
to have the X88R for the crunch channel, but the price difference is a bit
too much for me now (the SP-77s are way undervalued on the used market).
The Caswell would be cool, but I doubt I'd get much use out of the midi
features. I've had plenty of midi equipped amps and preamps and generally
stick to 3-4 sounds.
My one complaint about the SP-77 is that it only has the one output, so
I have to run through something else to split to stereo. I wish it had
two outs so I could run one side completely dry and the other side through
effects.
>And you're right about the volume thing.. My set-up is the best rig I've
>used for venues where you can crank it on stage, but when you've got to play
>at low volumes this might not be the best option.
It doesn't sound bad (mine doesn't anyways) but the expense of the tube
power amp probably isn't justified if you can't crank it up at times.