Marshall Valvestate 8040 quality
hos
distortion compare to something like a DSL combo of similar wattage?
How about compared to the newer AVT models?
I know it won't be as good to higher quality tube amps, but for $100,
the real question is: will this sound better than my current Solid
State Line 6 with Metal Zone setup, and if so, should I still save up
for a bargain DSL combo or Peavey 5150 combo instead?
I'm trying to get a tube amp that I will run either through my metal
zone-2 (I might Keeley or Allum mod it soon) or SansAmp through. I
know only the distortion has a tube preamp but I don't care about the
clean. I am currently using a Les Paul Studio and Schecter Omen-6
(soon to have active EMG 81 85 set) with a Line 6 Flextone Duo.
I play hard rock, metal, post-hardcore etc. and would love the guitar
sound quality of bands like Story of the Year, Bullet For My
Valentine, and to a lesser extendAvenged Sevenfold (guitars only),
Metallica, and Trivium.
In general, if anyone has good suggestions of how a poor person can
get professional quality sound please let me know!
Thanks,
Hos
White Spirit
> I found a Marshall Valvestate 8040 for under $100. How does the
> distortion compare to something like a DSL combo of similar wattage?
> How about compared to the newer AVT models?
The amount of perceived gain is similar. Whether the older Valvestates
sound better than the newer AVT models is a matter of taste.
> I know it won't be as good to higher quality tube amps, but for $100,
> the real question is: will this sound better than my current Solid
> State Line 6 with Metal Zone setup,
That's also a matter of taste. Personally, I think the Metal Zone is a
pretty horrible sounding pedal. Given the choice, I'd rather use a
solid state Marshall than a Metal Zone with a Line 6.
I assume you're not happy with your current setup, or at least think it
could be better? You could try the Valvestate out and see what you
think. If you like it, it could be a cheaper solution, at least in the
meantime.
> and if so, should I still save up
> for a bargain DSL combo or Peavey 5150 combo instead?
I would advise against the DSL combos - they sound nothing like the
heads. The heads need a bit of tinkering with different valve choices
and a change of bias from the factory setup but when you get it right,
they sound great. You could probably find a s/h DSL head with a 2x12
cabinet at a good price.
A DSL head or a 5150 will sound much better than the other choices
you've mentioned, imo.
> I'm trying to get a tube amp that I will run either through my metal
> zone-2 (I might Keeley or Allum mod it soon) or SansAmp through. I
> know only the distortion has a tube preamp but I don't care about the
> clean. I am currently using a Les Paul Studio and Schecter Omen-6
> (soon to have active EMG 81 85 set) with a Line 6 Flextone Duo.
Buy the amp that has the right sound before you start adding pedals.
Pedals that sound good to you with one amp might not work very well with
another. Invest in the amp that suits your ears and your playing and
take it from there.
> I play hard rock, metal, post-hardcore etc. and would love the guitar
> sound quality of bands like Story of the Year, Bullet For My
> Valentine, and to a lesser extendAvenged Sevenfold (guitars only),
> Metallica, and Trivium.
> In general, if anyone has good suggestions of how a poor person can
> get professional quality sound please let me know!
I think a good valve amp is the best starting point for professional
quality sound, but a good deal of your sound also comes from you as a
player. You can get a professional sound with 'lesser' equipment, but
if you're not going to be happy with it in the long run you'll want to
change sooner or later.
Stephen Cowell
"hos" <brooke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I found a Marshall Valvestate 8040 for under $100. How does the
> distortion compare to something like a DSL combo of similar wattage?
> How about compared to the newer AVT models?
You get what you pay for.
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Steve
.
Too Long in The Wasteland
> I found a Marshall Valvestate 8040 for under $100. How does the
> distortion compare to something like a DSL combo of similar wattage?
> How about compared to the newer AVT models?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Hos
"hard core ? WTF is that ?
I guess Tony Iommi plays soft core ?
valuestate == buzz saw
Get a 50w JCM 800 series.
Save your pennys and go tube brother .
Hos
Thanks for the advice, I'll stay away from the Valvestate. I wanted to
get a combo b/c I live in a townhouse and don't currently play out.
It's mostly a recording amp I need, but the current distortion I have
lacks edge (in a digital sort of way). How are the JCM 800 and Peavey
5150 combos? What is the minimum wattage that maintains tube and
speaker quality with not having to turn up to noise violation status
in order to appreciate the tubes?
Thanks again,
Hos
Jim
> On Jan 30, 9:31 am, Too Long in The Wasteland <L...@there.com> wrote:
>
>>hos wrote:
>>
>>>I found a Marshall Valvestate 8040 for under $100. How does the
>>>distortion compare to something like a DSL combo of similar wattage?
>>>How about compared to the newer AVT models?
>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Hos
>>
>>"hard core ? WTF is that ?
>>I guess Tony Iommi plays soft core ?
>>
>> valuestate == buzz saw
>> Get a 50w JCM 800 series.
>>
>> Save your pennys and go tube brother .
>
>
> Thanks for the advice, I'll stay away from the Valvestate. I wanted to
> get a combo b/c I live in a townhouse and don't currently play out.
> It's mostly a recording amp I need, but the current distortion I have
> lacks edge (in a digital sort of way). How are the JCM 800 and Peavey
> 5150 combos?
Combos are no less loud than that comparable heads. And with a head,
you get to choose speaker (driver efficiency, cab design...).
I'll tell you what... my JMP 2204 into my 70's Hiwatt/Fane 4x12 is NOT
as loud as the comparable combo with the stock celestions speakers in
the open back design. Even though it's a 4x12, it has rather
inefficient speakers compared to the norm. So don't make the mistake of
thinking combo = less loud.
I'm not suggesting you look for my exact cab, because they are BIG,
HEAVY and EXPENSIVE. But you could seek out a lower efficiency single
12 cab that is able to handle 50W at a lower volume than the combo! A
head and 1x12 is going to be smaller than the combo. A head and a 2x12
isn't really much bigger, and easier to handle than a combo. Heck, a
head and 4x12 occupies about the same footprint as a combo!
> What is the minimum wattage that maintains tube and
> speaker quality with not having to turn up to noise violation status
> in order to appreciate the tubes?
That's a tough one to answer. My 1W (or so) Hughes and Kettner Cream
Machine is loud enough to make your ears ring, when played into my
Vintage 30's cab. If you share walls with neighbors, you'll be hard
pressed to find tube amps that'll work for you, without using an
attenuator. If you don't share walls, but are close in, and neighbors
aren't complete quiet freaks? You ought to be able to do a 5W amp
without complaints (as long as it isn't 2 AM, or the neighbor's kid is
trying to sleep...).
If neighbors are VERY tolerant, you're good to go with 50W. But if you
crank it AT ALL, they WILL hear it!
>
> Thanks again,
> Hos