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- Nick
"Brendan" <nor...@kua.net> wrote in message
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> Hendrix is most identified with marshall amps but i believe this is a
> misconception. Listen to the studio albums like 'are you experienced' and
> you will hear a lot of clean fender amps blackface and silverface.
Hendrix recorded "Are You Experienced?" in '66, in London. When he recorded
that LP, he was not yet famous, and he didn't have much money. In '66,
Fender amps in the UK were about as rare as AC30s were in the U.S. and
equally expensive. In fact, even Abbey Road Studios had only two Fender
Dual Showman combos, and that's only because the Beatles had them brought
over themselves. Across town, Hendrix came over with pretty much nothing
but a guitar. Only Burns (transistor amps) was willing to sponsor him
initially, and this travesty was soon rectified by Jim Marshall. As for
what exactly was in that studio at the time of the recording, only the
engineers know, but Hendrix had a deal with Marshall at that time. Since
Marshalls in '66 were far different in sound than they were only a couple of
years later, and Marshall got started because Fenders were unavailable in
the UK. One way or another, the odds are that the studio (like other UK
studios) was largely equipped with Vox and Marshall, and Hendrix was
sponsored by Marshall at the time. Just tossing in some observations to
consider.
It seems obvious that Hendrix was not so particular about his
sound....certainly not nearly so as anyone who debates this subject. In his
recording career, he is reputed to have used Vox, Marshall, Fender, Sunn,
perhaps Supro, and the list may go on from there. There is only one person
that could possibly say what Hendrix 'preferred' if he even had much of an
opinion, and he is deceased.
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T. A. Breaux <tabr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Kramer has stated in several interviews (and I believe a book or 2) that on the
night Hendrix brought a group of superstar buddies into the studio after some
night clubbing (Jack Cassidy, Steve Winwood etc) for the recorded jam which
would include "Voodoo Chile, Slight Return" - he plugged into a 50's era (combo
style, not piggy back) Fender Bassman.
Admittedly Eddie has made a career in his later years of being involved with
Hendrix reissues/remasters etc (once the rights were returned to the Hendrix
family). He has also made a secondary career as a Hendrix historian.
Kramer was probably the closest man to Jimi as far as the magic they worked in
the studio, especially on the 2nd and 3rd albums (the first LP was a rushed
affair, a masterpiece created in a short time using 4 track recorders and
'available equipment'). Eddie's pretty good about not taking too much credit
for the sonic revolution he helped Jimi create
Eddie has always seemed to be a man of integrity, not a quick buck guy or a
B.S. artist. In the absence of Jimi being here to verify tell us himself (if he
would even remember:), if Eddie says Jimi played the studio version of ' Voodoo
Chile SR' through a Bassman, I believe him.
Steve
The person to ask I suppose would be Eddie Kramer, right? He would
have the inside info on how everything was recorded. Are there any
interview published where he gives the inside scoop on that?
In the live recordings that were released, at least later in his
career, I'm pretty sure those were all done playing through Marshalls
and whatever the hell stompboxes he was using, so whatever he relied
on for all the studio tricks, I think he did just fine without when he
appeared live with his Marshalls.
I guess what I'm trying to get at was that as much as his whole sound
might have been a product of the studio, the guy still just killed as
a live performer with his Marshalls.
Pete
--
Hey! You're not Frank Zappa!
--Pepper Mills to René Descartes
A photo taken from the side of the stage of the Hollywood Bowl, 9-14-68, clearly
shows four black face Fender amp heads on the drum stage on Jimi's side. There
is a MESS of cords hooked up to the inputs.
Another photo from 10/68 at TTG Studios shows Jimi playing into a Marshall. It
is noted that his recording sessions were SO LOUD that they interrupted sessions
in the upstairs studio. This is about the time of the release of Electric
Ladyland.
A photo at the "Hit Factory" clearly shows a Marshall in 8/69.
Believe it or not, I have e-mails in to Eddie Kramer and two other early
engineers. I'll update the NG if I get any responses.
W.
Brendan <nor...@kua.net> wrote in message
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> Jim Marshall himself has stated many times that hes never had sponsorship
> deals with artists, except for Slash I imagine, and with Hendrix in
> particular, he states that Hendrix was upfront that he would be paying for
> his own equipment.
It has been widely reported that Jimi's Marshalls were modified for higher
output.
Yikes!!! hold on!!
At Woodstock there are only Marshall stacks on stage. At Monterey (67) he
had a Marshall stack and a few Fender Showmans.
On the Tonight Show in '69 Hendrix played Loverman with Billy Cox on bass
and Tonight Show drummer Ed Shaunassy(sp?). Yes, the amp blew!!
On the Dick Cavett shows...on one he had a Marshall stack with the cabs side
by side, on the other Cavett show, he used an Ampeg bass amp!!
All through 67-68 there were usually other amps on stage, sometimes mixed
with Marshall, sometimes Fender and Sunn by themselves.
He also blended a Sound City stack in with his Marshall for a period in '68.
by late 68, early 69, he had the famous 3 Marshall stacks he used until his
death.
Axisalbum also featured Sound City for the cleaner parts.
The slow Voodoo Child was a Bassman...Rainy Day Dream Away pts 1 and 2 was a
small Fender.
That would be an expected rumor, but I have trouble believing it. If he
wanted higher output, he could have just as easily used a Marshall Major
(200w), but he didn't.
> Im not fond of Marshalls for studio
> work but it's a misconception that they don't play clean.
It most *certainly* is!
~kp
> It has been widely reported that Jimi's Marshalls were modified for higher
> output.
I doubt it.
~kp
Marshall with KT-66
Axis has alot of Sound City on it .
LI's Tony Frank, who worked at Marshall tweeked his amps at some point. in
'68.
From the '75 GP Hendrix issue's interview with his road manager.......
"but his amps were given still greater power through the wizardry of Long
Island electronics brain, Tony Frank,
who rewired and tuned up those 100 watt amps (which Barett believes weren't
putting out anything near that specification) so that they delivered 137
watts. Furthermore, Hendy Goldrich (Manny's) states that the Marshall
factory, after learning who Jimi was, began putting in somewhat heavier
tubes and resoldering Jimi's amps so everything wouldn't fall apart."
A stock Marshall will do that if it is in good working order, so someone
likely assumed that a measured 137 watts meant the amp was somehow modded.
.
Furthermore, Hendy Goldrich (Manny's) states that the Marshall
> factory, after learning who Jimi was, began putting in somewhat heavier
> tubes and resoldering Jimi's amps so everything wouldn't fall apart."
Mullard EL34s are as sturdy as they get, and those amps were all sturdily
wired on tag boards, not the PCB construction that came later. There have
been several previously erroneously/exaggerated reported accounts of Jimi's
amps that have been debunked in recent times, so I would not take this too
literally. Much of them have been written by people who have never seen the
inside of an amp.
I have heard of this Tony Frank guy...he was at Unicord or whatever they
called themselves back then.
I read this story about him going over Hendrix's amps around '68. I also
read he worked on Jim Mcarty's (Cactus) Marshalls too.
Much of them have been written by people who have never seen the
> inside of an amp.
I agree. I read something where a look inside a documented Hendrix 100 watt
head, showed no bright cap on the input, which is probably why his amps
souned the way trhey did.
I got a Blockhead '67 Plexi clone, and after a long time, finally got a
taste of what those early Marshalls must have sounded like.
I'll have to check the Marshall book, but I don't see the Unicord name on
the schematics until around '69-'70, so this may or may not give an idea of
when the actual timeline would have been.
> I agree. I read something where a look inside a documented Hendrix 100
watt
> head, showed no bright cap on the input, which is probably why his amps
> souned the way trhey did.
Removing the bright cap from any 'Lead' Marshall will thicken up the sound,
but as the volume is turned up, the cap is bypassed, which renders two
otherwise identical amps as equal. As such, so long as Hendrix' amps were
turned up, the cap (if present) wouldn't have mattered. Until sometime in
'68, 'Lead' Marshalls used the shared V1 cathode, larger value coupling
caps, and different NFB circuit which gave them a noticeably thicker,
beefier sound. These were features carried over from the JTM45, and if your
'67 repro is truly correct, it should have them. Coupled with the G12H30
speakers that Hendrix favored that began popping up circa '67, this gives a
decidedly different sound than say a '69 SL with a cab loaded with 25w
Greenbacks.
Care to give a review?
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Buddy...I forgot more Jimi info then you'll ever know. I'm a collector for
over 30 years. What did YOU contribute to this thread?
I rest my case.
Best Marshall I ever owned.
There are details of how they are built with pics at
www.blockheadamps.com.
I can plug into the top (high treble) input without my ears getting dstroyed
from treble like the RI's.
They took the best '67 they could find, and basically cloned it. Trannys,
voltages, etc. are the same.
The sound is very harmonically rich even at low volumes.
Got Mullard in the preamp...JJ EL-34's in the power section.
It's got swirl, detail, harmonic complexity. You couldn't ask for anything
more from a "Marshall".
What it sounds like? Like every late '60's-early '70's record that was
recorded with them.
To me...it sounds like Hendrix's clean Marshall tones he had in Band of
Gypsys.....with a Strat. With humbuckers, one hears Cream-era Clapton. Any
pedal kills thru it.
From OD's, to distortions to fuzz...everything I've played thru it sounds
great.
I got a Komet as well, and the BH easily hangs with it and actually
surpasses it in a few ways.
Thank you. I've got that issue, and that's where I read it. I just couldn't
remember the source.
> <snip>
> In his
> recording career, he is reputed to have used Vox, Marshall, Fender, Sunn,
> perhaps Supro,
I have heard the Supro thing a bunch....I believe he owned Supros....is there
documentation of him using a Supro on a specific recording?
I do not know.
> > I could be wrong, but I've always felt very strongly that I was hearing
> > Vox
> > tones all over the place on the "Are You Experienced" LP
> According to _Jimi Hendrix Sessions_, he did use a Vox in early
> recordings.
>
It makes perfect sense. Anyway, just listen to the chord work on 3rd Stone
From The Sun, and somebody tell me that's not a Vox!
~kp
I believe you - however, I think it's unlikely that Jimi used a Super Reverb
on *that* particular session. If it wasn't a Vox, it was almost certainly
another British amp (Marshall, Sound City, etc.) I don't think the Fenders
came into the recordings until later. It's also possible that the typical
practice (of that era) of heavily compressing the clean tones may have given
it that Vox-ish character. I have to confess, I'm only speculating. I'll
have to listen to it again.
~kp
~kp
- Nick
"Kent Pearson" <Electri...@aol.coma> wrote in message
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And you are probably correct. People get confused because although it is
known that Hendrix played through Fenders in the U.S., they assume that he
used them in the UK in '66, and this very unlikely for no other reason that
Fender amps were virtually nonexistent. You'd also have a difficult time
getting anything but nickel flatwound strings in the UK until the mid '60s,
and many people don't realize that many of those early recordings (Beatles,
Yardbirds, The Who, etc.) were made with those as well. In '66, where amps
of 30w or more are concerned, Vox and Marshall were everywhere and in every
studio, and you can all but rest assured that Hendrix used whatever was
laying around. Hendrix didn't come to the UK with amps in freight ($), and
he probably didn't own much more than a guitar and clothes at the time.
And with all due respect, one just cannot come to any conclusions by
listening to an amp over the phone and saying that it 'nails the tone', only
because what too many claim as 'nailing the tone' is frequently anything but
the case.
> Okay you can read and quote a magazine. Now look closely at the statement.
> Practice critical thinking.
Maybe you should do that with your own post.
Whatever point you were trying to make was
not at all clear.
-Miles
Maybe a Hiwatt? ;-)
Stefan
I don't think Hiwatt had evolved from Sound City as of '66.
> >If it wasn't a Vox, it was almost certainly
> >another British amp (Marshall, Sound City, etc.)
>
> Maybe a Hiwatt? ;-)
I'll tell you what . . . I was listening to "May This Be Love" last night
in the car on the way to a gig. You know the one, "Waterfall . . . nothing
can harm me at all . . ." There simply is *no way* in hell that that guitar
sound is a Fender or a Marshall. It's impossible. A Vox is the only amp of
that vintage that I've *ever* heard which has that characteristic sparkle
and 3-D sound. Anything else sounds like flat, like a cardboard box by
comparison. Until someone can prove otherwise, that's my guess, and I'm
stickin' to it! I could be wrong, but one thing I do know is, if I were to
try to recreate that sound authentically, a JMI Vox would be my first
choice.
~kp
> Hey Kent, I want to hear more about those beach babes that you are
> being
> forced to watch as you play the sand arena's.
All I can say is, I've never seen a more concentrated collection of feminine
beauty gathered together in one place at any given time. In BEACH attire
now, mind you.
> Man, that's too bad about
> that - I imagine that it might even take a guy's mind off playing for a
> little bit.
You bet it does. Fortunately, I can walk and chew gum at the same time.
I'm sure it all translates into some musical dialogue that comes out at the
moment.
>But the good thing is that with repeated exposure to
> good-looking women while playing, one learns to just play through the pain
> (grin....). What doesn't kill us makes us stronger, right ?
There's exposer and there's exposure. Lookin' at beautiful women never
killed anybody, weak as the heart may seem at times. Unfortunately, these
ain't the good ol' days anymore. Used to be, pullin' chicks from a gig and
getting laid was routine. You can't trust anyone to be safe anymore. Glad
I had my fun before AIDS reared it's ugly head.
~kp
~kp
KT-66 loaded Marshall. That stuff was recorded in England and Fenders were
hard to find there at that time.
My Blockhead 100 watt '67 Plexi clone cops that no problem.
> I'll tell you what . . . I was listening to "May This Be Love" last night
> in the car on the way to a gig. You know the one, "Waterfall . . . nothing
> can harm me at all . . ." There simply is *no way* in hell that that guitar
> sound is a Fender or a Marshall. It's impossible. A Vox is the only amp of
> that vintage that I've *ever* heard which has that characteristic sparkle
> and 3-D sound. Anything else sounds like flat, like a cardboard box by
> comparison. Until someone can prove otherwise, that's my guess, and I'm
> stickin' to it! I could be wrong, but one thing I do know is, if I were to
> try to recreate that sound authentically, a JMI Vox would be my first
> choice.
I dunno, Kent. Eric Johnson does an amazing
copy of this using either his BFDR or a JMT
(I didn't notice which one he was using at the
time, but I'm guessing the BFDR).
> KT-66 loaded Marshall. That stuff was recorded in England and Fenders were
> hard to find there at that time.
> My Blockhead 100 watt '67 Plexi clone cops that no problem.
hmmm..... interesting.
~kp