LOL at Roccaforte amps and the like
Johnn3625
watt amp head. $1600 for an 18 watter!!! I can go to Guitar Center and get a 50
or 100 watt MARSHALL DSL for $1049.
From what I read in other forums, the parts only cost about $200-300 for these
boutique amps and they take less than a day to make. I could have two 100 watt
dsl's for his single 100 watt, and oh yeah, I get the Marshall name and sound
as well. Does anybody ever try and sell these no name boutique amps on ebay? I
bet they have no resale value either.
If these bootique shops were honest and charged like $750 for their 100 watt
heads, maybe they would do more business, make more money and be more well
known....if they have the world famous Marshall tone, which is hard to do if
your not Marshall! You figure it out!
SOon to be happy Mashall DSL 50 owner with $1600 left to spare over the
'bowsheeet' boys!
PMG
handwired amp is worth more than a piece of shit that comes squirting
out of mass a production line. It's not my fault that you lack a
sense of value.
Into the killfile you go *plonk*. Enjoy your cheap amp.
RoyB
"Johnn3625" <john...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020528194646...@mb-md.aol.com...
Let me guess, you drive a Ford Escort and laugh at the guys in their
Porsches.
Roy
PS. Joe Six-packs, you have a new leader.
Lord Valve
Johnn3625 wrote:
What you'll have is an amp that is full of printed circuit
boards, with numerous board-to-board interconnects
which go intermittent on the road. I doubt that you can
tell the difference between types of construction, but the
wiring inside of one of Doug's amps is *legendary.*
Better than damn near anythying else you can find, and
that includes old Hiwatts. And if one of those amps can
be built in less than one day, *you* damnsure ain't the cat
who can pull it off. I *guarantee* you that you can't
buy the parts in one of his amps for anywhere near $300.
In fact, that won't even get you a set of transformers, let
alone anything else. Now, if it was your intent to demonstrate
to the world that you're a newbie who doesn't know his shit,
you've succeeded admirably. You just took a crap on something
you've never seen or heard. You might check the next issue
of the ToneQuest Report; you'll find out what an utter ass
you've made of yourself.
Lord Valve
Supreme Exalted Ruler, alt.guitar.amps
RoccaforteAmps
Mobomanly
back. What is it about you guys and why can't you hear good tone even if it bit
you in the ass? The new Marshall stuff is tinny crap and I bet yours and Kent's
playing reflect this.
Andy Hart
<john...@aol.com> writes
>I was just checking this guy Roccafarts website and he wants $1600 for an 18
>watt amp head. $1600 for an 18 watter!!! I can go to Guitar Center and get a 50
>or 100 watt MARSHALL DSL for $1049.
Errr ... 18 watts ... 100 watts ... that's over 5 time better ... in'it?
Hehehe ... you've no idea, go get a tranny amp and a fuzz box, you'll be
happy ... Hehehe :)
The expression "Pearls before swine" springs to mind.
--
Andy Hart
Gary Glaenzer
"RoccaforteAmps" <roccafo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020528201039...@mb-cu.aol.com...
> What a wanker
may I expand on that?
What a grotty wanking sodding base-court apple-john git.
Johnn3625
>boards, with numerous board-to-board interconnects
>which go intermittent on the road. I doubt that you can
>tell the difference between types of construction, but the
>wiring inside of one of Doug's amps is *legendary.*
>Better than damn near anythying else you can find, and
>that includes old Hiwatts. And if one of those amps can
>be built in less than one day, *you* damnsure ain't the cat
>who can pull it off. I *guarantee* you that you can't
>buy the parts in one of his amps for anywhere near $300.
>In fact, that won't even get you a set of transformers, let
>alone anything else. Now, if it was your intent to demonstrate
>to the world that you're a newbie who doesn't know his shit,
>you've succeeded admirably. You just took a crap on something
>you've never seen or heard. You might check the next issue
>of the ToneQuest Report; you'll find out what an utter ass
>you've made of yourself.
>
>Lord Valve
>Supreme Exalted Ruler, alt.guitar.amps
>
Yeah, right. I went to a very crowded guitar center yesterday and everyone
there was blown away by the DSL 50 amp. I aksed them if they carried Roccaforts
and two of the salesman said they never even heard of them. They thought I was
talking about some type of cheese. They said those operations are fly-by-nights
and can't be trusted two years later. They said it doesn't take rocket science
to build a guitar amp. WIth them you get a REAL Marshall, a five year warranty
and a great resale value. They had a Vintage Vox for over $3500 there, you
won't see a Rocco there for that.
Oh yeah, this what your esteemed rocket scientist just emailed me, what a load
of bullshit:
Watch your step in your posting,
the last guy who called my Co.
Roccafart paid me 30K,
no joke.
Doug Roccaforte
RoccaforteAmps.com
RoccaforteInc.
All that over of a TYPO!!! Good lord, I could care less what you call your
amps, nobody has ever heard of them anyway!!!
Johnn3625
>back.
That's right, buttboy. I bet you also didn't know Kent Pearson is one of the
most respected players here. His thoughts played a major role in my decision.
How does it feel to make a complete ass of yourself in front of this newsgroup?
MBarnett
1. It's "Roccaforte"
2. Roccaforte 18W head: Hand-wired point-to-point, premium parts, top
quality workmanship.
Marshall DSL: Assembly-line printed circuit board, generic parts,
mediocre quality.
3. The other forums are half right. You can't buy the parts in a Roccaforte
amp for $200-300 (the transformers alone are more than that). You might be
able to buy the same parts in the Marshall for $200-300.
4. If you think you can make an amp in a day, jump right in!
5. Enjoy joy your Marshall, but don't rag on an amp you've never heard of;
it just makes you look like an ass.
Monte
MBarnett
> Yes, Kent Pearson shares your views as well. He bought a TSL and never
looked
> back. What is it about you guys and why can't you hear good tone even if
it bit
> you in the ass? The new Marshall stuff is tinny crap and I bet yours and
Kent's
> playing reflect this.
Don't drag Kent into this. Those of us who have heard him play *know* he
can walk the walk. I don't give a rip if he plays through a modified
megaphone; he plays very well! His choice of amp is up to him. If it gets
his mojo workin', that's all that counts.
Monte
noc10
Buying your first amp amp John?
Take my advice, Get a Marshall cause they Rool!!!!!!!
Tony Hwang
Grow up to mature and see if you can say something like this in
public forum making yourself a jack ass. Boutique amp is not for
everybody. Soon to be DSL50 owner, huh?! Did you by it because
1. It has Marshall name plate?
2. It is 50W?
3. It is best value for your money?
Tony
Tony Hwang
Where is here?
Tony
noc10
>
> Yeah, right. I went to a very crowded guitar center yesterday
This alone is enough to tell that you don't yet have a clue. No insult, just
a fact.
Now if you only can keep from insulting those who do, aren't too full of
yourself
to listen to good advice, and can keep from handing over your hard earned
cash to the DoodZ at guitar center right away, you will get an education
from some of the
top people in the Biz.
But if you think Guitar Center is THE SOURCE for know-how and info on amps,
you've
already swung once and missed.
and everyone
> there was blown away by the DSL 50 amp.
All 90 of the teens, and clueless staff.
I aksed them if they carried Roccaforts
> and two of the salesman said they never even heard of them. They thought I
was
> talking about some type of cheese.
Ignorance will out EH?
They said those operations are fly-by-nights
> and can't be trusted two years later. They said it doesn't take rocket
science
> to build a guitar amp. WIth them you get a REAL Marshall, a five year
warranty
> and a great resale value. They had a Vintage Vox for over $3500 there, you
> won't see a Rocco there for that.
>
> Oh yeah, this what your esteemed rocket scientist just emailed me, what a
load
> of bullshit:
>
> Watch your step in your posting,
> the last guy who called my Co.
> Roccafart paid me 30K,
> no joke.
> Doug Roccaforte
> RoccaforteAmps.com
> RoccaforteInc.
>
>
> All that over of a TYPO!!! Good lord, I could care less what you call your
> amps, nobody has ever heard of them anyway!!!
I have, I've seen them in Guitar Player magazine, but then the kids at GC
probably haven't heard of that either.
John if you can't resist a GC sales pitch long enough to learn the facts,
it's
going to be an expensive life for you.
>
>
>
JTM50
a) This is a troll post.
b) This guy dosen't have a clue.
You decide
Lloyd
in article 20020528194646...@mb-md.aol.com, Johnn3625 at
john...@aol.com wrote on 5/28/02 4:46 PM:
winnard
"Tony Hwang" <drag...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:3CF42CB1...@shaw.ca...
> Hi,
> Grow up to mature and see if you can say something like this in
> public forum making yourself a jack ass.
He's obviously not mature enough to realize you get what you pay for.
winnard
Odin
"Johnn3625" <john...@aol.com> wrote in message
This troll is just too much fun.
> Yeah, right. I went to a very crowded guitar center yesterday and
everyone
> there was blown away by the DSL 50 amp.
Was it a gathering of tin-eared saggy pants yeah-dooders with 7-string
Ibanez guitars?
> I aksed them if they carried Roccaforts
> and two of the salesman said they never even heard of them.
The salesmen at all 3 of my local Guitar Centers had never heard of a
"rectifier tube" when I needed one in a pinch. I had to lead them by
the nose to their George L cable ends when I needed a cable end to
finish a project (the sales dewd thought I was asking for someone
named George), they have never heard of a Dr Z, THD, Budda, Carr,
Matchless or any other high end amp either. Basically, the saleskids
at GC are the least knowledgable people in Dallas about anything
related to guitars. They sell by accident. You sound like you would
be their target customer. And that's not an insult, just an honest
observation.
> They thought I was
> talking about some type of cheese.
I believe you. A professional salesperson would be knowledgable about
all products in the market, especially the competition. Clerks, like
the checkout boy at the grocery store, only know what the price tag
says. That's GC.
> They said those operations are fly-by-nights
> and can't be trusted two years later.
Guitar Center can't be trusted while you're in the store, let alone 2
years later.
> They said it doesn't take rocket science
> to build a guitar amp.
It doesn't. In fact, if you want total shit tone it can even be done
by Chinese kids in a sweatty factory using substandard parts. Just
ask Crate, etc...
> WIth them you get a REAL Marshall,
Marshall stopped making real Marshalls whenyou were still shitting
yellow, son.
> a five year warranty
I imagine Doug would fix your amp for life it it failed due to a
manufacturing defect. Try that at GC. In fact, try calling Marshall
(which isn't owned by Marshall, so you better call Korg) and ask to
talk the the robot who built your amp.
> and a great resale value.
Really? OK, let's check that out. You claim that GC had a DSL for
$1050. I searched ebay and in less than 20 seconds came up with the
following completed auction - Item # 872175472 DSL50 $550. The I
searched for used Roccaforte amps. Since they apparently sound so
good that people aren't falling over themselves to sell them (like
those new Marshalls) I didn't find any on ebay, but I found one that
sold on Harmony Central (4/24/2002). It was a head (100 watt hi-gain
list price $2395), like the Marshall on ebay, but the used selling
price on the Roccaforte head was $1900.
Now if the selling price on the Marshall (and it sold for way below
"list") at Guitar Center was $1050 and it sold used for $550 then it
retained 52% of its resale value. The Roccaforte, which retails new
for $2395 (and may even sell for below "retail" some places) and sold
used for $1900 retained 79% of its resale value.
What were you saying about resale value again?
> They had a Vintage Vox for over $3500 there, you
> won't see a Rocco there for that.
You won't see a Rocco head in Guitar Center because the morons at GC
don't have the product knowledge and customer service skills to handle
high end amp customers and sales. The same reason you won't see
Ferraris for sale at Saturn dealerships.
> Oh yeah, this what your esteemed rocket scientist just emailed me,
what a load
> of bullshit:
>
> Watch your step in your posting,
> the last guy who called my Co.
> Roccafart paid me 30K,
> no joke.
> Doug Roccaforte
> RoccaforteAmps.com
> RoccaforteInc.
>
>
> All that over of a TYPO!!! Good lord, I could care less what you
call your
> amps, nobody has ever heard of them anyway!!!
You're right. The "Nobody" who has never heard of Roccaforte amps is
*you*. Marc Ford and Cesar Rosas endorse Roccaforte amps but you
haven't heard of them. Who's the "nobody" in this story.
Son, before you troll a newsgroup full of professional musicians,
experienced technicians and engineers, and serious tone enthusiasts
you might want to grow up a little. You're dismissed.
JTM50
BTW did you just take up the guitar this weekend?
LOL
Lloyd
in article 20020528203947...@mb-ba.aol.com, Johnn3625 at
john...@aol.com wrote on 5/28/02 5:39 PM:
Odin
"JTM50" <lgi...@telus.net> wrote in message
> One of two situations:
> a) This is a troll post.
> b) This guy dosen't have a clue.
>
> You decide
c) Both of the above.
Johnn3625
>it's
>going to be an expensive life for you.
Yeah, right. $1050 to GC for a real Marshall or $2500 to Rocoforte. You tell me
what's more expensive.
Johnn3625
>at GC are the least knowledgable people in Dallas about anything
>related to guitars.
I don't know about Dallas, but obviously you have never been to the Guitar
Center in Hollywood. Have you seen their Rock Walk of Fame? Do you know how
many guitar legends and musicians they feature there? Are you telling me that
all these legends of guitar endorse Guitar center because they are "trolls" or
"newbies"? LOL!
>I found one that
>sold on Harmony Central
Now that you condone HC, it was there on their forums that I found out it costs
about $500 in parts to build a Plexi and why would people spend $2500??? You
must make up your mind here on who to believe and who not to. You will bemuch
more believable then.
>What were you saying about resale value again?
You twit, of course the DSL will be cheaper NOW, they are STILL making them.
Once they stop it will be vintage like most Marshalls and the price will go up.
You have no idea how supply and demand works do you? And why are these Plexis
that could be had for so cheap selling for so much now? Because they are
genuine Mashalls, not some noname boutique amp with jacked up prices.
>Marc Ford and Cesar Rosas endorse Roccaforte amps but you
>haven't heard of them.
Damn straight! Have you heard of Angus Young, Eddy van Halen, Jimi Hendrix?
Have you? Guess what the use, not Roccaforts, but they ain't as big as Marc
Ford, are they?
>You're dismissed.
From your bullshit? Thank you. Now that you're enlightened, you might be more
tolerable.
Gary Glaenzer
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"JTM50" <lgi...@telus.net> wrote in message
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Johnn3625
>it just makes you look like an ass.
>
Oh yeah, well as somebody else chimed in, Kent Pearson is one of the best
players here and this is what he said about your beloved Rocofort and Marshall:
------
Of the clips I tested I found one thing in common. There was a harshness, a
gritty in-your-face distortion throughout that I found to be somewhat
abrasive, quite frankly. This, to a lesser extend, was also obvious on the
mellower "Rain Song". The tone was ragged and dirty, for my tastes,
especially for the type of song it is. I heard no "sweet" tones anywhere on
the three clips I heard. Nothing reminiscent of the old "Clapton" lead
tones that send chills up my spine. In all fairness, there *are* a lot of
clips there, and I only listened to three. Perhaps someone could point me
to the right one? I'll give it a fair listen. My feeling is that these
tones would be best enhanced by a pair of platform shoes and Spandex pants.
But I dare say, even Spinal Tap would spot the fake. I'll keep my TSL,
thanks! I don't think I'm missing much. (And I'm serious as a heart
attack!!)
Kent Pearson
-------
This is what convinced me I didn't need to spend thousands to get good tone.
This was the deciding factor into looking into the DSL/TSL line, not Guitar
Center, although they only confirmed what I thought.
Johnn3625
>Grow up to mature and see if you can say something like this in
>public forum making yourself a jack ass.
Uhm grow up? You are the kids that started the name calling. I simply asked why
pay thousands for inexpensive amp parts? It looks like Rocco has his sock
puppets going full tilt!
Johnn3625
>
Let's see - $2500 for $500 in amp parts? Is that getting what you pay for????
You guys are just too easy.
John Huff
> >Basically, the saleskids
> >at GC are the least knowledgable people in Dallas about anything
> >related to guitars.
>
>
> I don't know about Dallas, but obviously you have never been to the Guitar
> Center in Hollywood. Have you seen their Rock Walk of Fame? Do you know
how
> many guitar legends and musicians they feature there? Are you telling me
that
> all these legends of guitar endorse Guitar center because they are
"trolls" or
> "newbies"? LOL!
Damn, you are dumb.
BTW-Odin is right...Guitar Center is notorious cross-country for employing
people almost as ignorant as you.
>
> >I found one that
> >sold on Harmony Central
>
> Now that you condone HC, it was there on their forums that I found out it
costs
> about $500 in parts to build a Plexi and why would people spend $2500???
What happened to 2-300?
A house sells for alot more than the sum of its parts. I guess contractors
and laborers should build the house for free? Is their time, effort, and
knowledge worthless as well?
Why don;t you just build your own amp, douchebag?
> You twit, of course the DSL will be cheaper NOW, they are STILL making
them.
> Once they stop it will be vintage like most Marshalls and the price will
go up.
Yeah. In 35 yrs I suspect that there won;t be many DSL/TSL's in service. Not
near as durable or toneful as a JCM 800 or earlier Marshall. But you've
probably never played through one.
> You have no idea how supply and demand works do you? And why are these
Plexis
> that could be had for so cheap selling for so much now? Because they are
> genuine Mashalls, not some noname boutique amp with jacked up prices.
Because they sound great, have collector value, and great build quality.
Three things in common w/a boutique amp like a Roccaforte.
I don;t use boutique gear myself; but that does not mean their pricing is
not justfied.
new Marshalls compete for a different market and price point. With the vol
Marshall wants to supply, they are bound to certain mass-production
constraints.
Have you ever seen one of the Marshall offset JTM 45s?
I doubt it, but here is a descrip:
PTP wired, handmade JTM 45. They could only indulge in a run of 500 amps.
Quality on par w/a boutique amp maker.
You wonderfull Marshall co sold them for *$5000*
Does this tell you anything?
>
> >Marc Ford and Cesar Rosas endorse Roccaforte amps but you
> >haven't heard of them.
>
> Damn straight! Have you heard of Angus Young, Eddy van Halen, Jimi
Hendrix?
They used *old* Marshalls, which were built like Roccaforte's are now.
If you can;t tell a diff between and old style Marshall and a DSL 100, you
should find another topic to argue about...
BTW- its 'Eddie'
Angus and Jimi's amps were close to stock. You think you will get EVH's
sound out of a reiss 1959 in any practical manner you are sadly mistaken.
Daniel
Odin
"Johnn3625" <john...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >Basically, the saleskids
> >at GC are the least knowledgable people in Dallas about anything
> >related to guitars.
>
>
> I don't know about Dallas, but obviously you have never been to the
Guitar
> Center in Hollywood.
Actually, I have. They have kids in Hollywood too.
> Have you seen their Rock Walk of Fame?
Yes. Nice marketing prop.
> Do you know how
> many guitar legends and musicians they feature there?
Yes. What does that have to do with the shit Korg is selling with the
Marshall name plate on it today?
> Are you telling me that
> all these legends of guitar endorse Guitar center because they are
"trolls" or
> "newbies"? LOL!
I'm telling you, not suggesting, that Guitar Center gives these people
shit to use them for advertising, yet none of those people actually
play shity PCB modern Marshalls.
> >I found one that
> >sold on Harmony Central
>
> Now that you condone HC, it was there on their forums that I found
out it costs
> about $500 in parts to build a Plexi and why would people spend
$2500???
You don't have the skills to build a Champ, let alone a Plexi clone.
> You
> must make up your mind here on who to believe and who not to. You
will bemuch
> more believable then.
I believe what I know, and I know that you're a newbie with more mouth
than brains.
> >What were you saying about resale value again?
>
> You twit, of course the DSL will be cheaper NOW, they are STILL
making them.
They're still making Roccaforte's too. What's your point.
> Once they stop it will be vintage like most Marshalls and the price
will go up.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You're a bigger joke than I thought. How much are the solid state
Hammond organs from the 60's selling for? The same as a B3 from the
60's? How 'bout the legions of other crap made long ago that is now
"vintage". Just because it's old doesn't mean it's valuable. And the
modern Marshalls won't last long enough to be vintage, they're cheap
PCB crap.
> You have no idea how supply and demand works do you?
Please enlighten me sonny.
> And why are these Plexis
> that could be had for so cheap selling for so much now?
> Because they are
> genuine Mashalls, not some noname boutique amp with jacked up
prices.
Because they sound good and they're built like tanks. And new
Marshalls sound like pee and are built like shit.
> >Marc Ford and Cesar Rosas endorse Roccaforte amps but you
> >haven't heard of them.
>
> Damn straight! Have you heard of Angus Young,
Plays old Marshalls, just like Doug Roccaforte builds, NOT new DSL
shit.
> Eddy van Halen,
Nope, but I've heard of Eddie Van Halen, and he used to play old
Marshalls, just like Doug Roccaforte builds, NOT new DSL shit. Now he
plays Peavy shit and sounds like it.
Jimi Hendrix?
Played old Marshalls, similar to the ones Doug Roccaforte builds only
without the master volume, NOT new DSL shit.
Those three guys are perfect examples of why someone would buy a
Roccaforte - because new Marshall shit sounds *nothing* like those
guys' amps did.
> Have you? Guess what the use, not Roccaforts, but they ain't as big
as Marc
> Ford, are they?
>
> >You're dismissed.
>
> From your bullshit? Thank you. Now that you're enlightened, you
might be more
> tolerable.
Here comes your mom, time to go.
John Huff
Can you build one yourself?
Don't you think that if you could, your time and knowledge should hold
value?
Marshall builds w/exponentially less cost piece for piece....
They use much cheaper componenets, which they get for much, much cheaper
either due to in house manuf. or mass purchase in the thousands of thousands
of units.
The end products are entirely different as well.
How old are you, 12?
Daniel
Odin
"John Huff" <joh...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> Damn, you are dumb.
>
> BTW-Odin is right...Guitar Center is notorious cross-country for
employing
> people almost as ignorant as you.
I've never seen slaeskids *this* dense, but they're close.
> Have you ever seen one of the Marshall offset JTM 45s?
> I doubt it, but here is a descrip:
> PTP wired, handmade JTM 45. They could only indulge in a run of 500
amps.
> Quality on par w/a boutique amp maker.
> You wonderfull Marshall co sold them for *$5000*
> Does this tell you anything?
Oops - time for a new hero, Marshall is no better than Roccaforte now
I guess.
> Angus and Jimi's amps were close to stock. You think you will get
EVH's
> sound out of a reiss 1959 in any practical manner you are sadly
mistaken.
Ironically, you can nail Eddie's tone with a Roccaforte. In fact, Van
Halen is a customer of Doug Roccaforte.
winnard
Three words. Blood Sweat and Labor.
winnard
Kent Pearson
On 28-May-2002, mobo...@aol.com (Mobomanly) wrote:
> Yes, Kent Pearson shares your views as well.
Keep me the fuck out this bullshit, whoever you are, Mobomanly Newposter.
It wasn't my post, and I *never* made the claims against Roccaforte amps
that this other guy posted, *never*. If you're gonna try and stir up shit
by putting words in my mouth, you'd better be ready to search for some
damned good quotes. Put up or shut up. And if you're trying to fire up a
war with me and Doug, like some past posters, I'm onto you like the troll
you'd be. Wise up and keep it cool.
> He bought a TSL and never looked back.
What are you talking about? Horseshit. I look backwards, forwards and side
to side all the time. My amps include a pair of 1965 tube Voxes, a 1969 JMP
Superlead - the kind of shit some guys drool all over themselves over - as
well as a newer TSL. I even considered a Roccaforte at one point. If
you've read my posts, you've noticed that I'm *always* experimenting with
different combinations of gear, because there's "one" amp made that does
*everything* I want it to do. But I'm damned close to it with a marriage of
the old and new. They each do what they do well, and tgey're each very
differnent. I've been doing this stuff for 35 years, Pal. Amps and tone,
good and bad, are nothing new to me. I've owned a shitload of amps in that
35 years, you can trust and believe.
> The new Marshall stuff is tinny crap and I bet yours and
> Kent's playing reflect this
Son, listen . . . regardless of what you may think of Marshalls (and it's
irrelevant to me - do you even have one??), and regardless of what you think
of my playing, which you've probably never even heard (or have you??),
there's one fact that remains. I play music and entertain people for a
*living*, and it keeps me working. Can you say the same thing?
Here's *my* rig, Friend, from Friday night's gig this past weekend. Please
do show us yours. A sound clip of your glorious tone would be even better.
http://members.aol.com/electricblues2k/public/1_stage.jpg
http://members.aol.com/electricblues2k/public/2_pedalboards.jpg
http://members.aol.com/electricblues2k/public/4_getdown.jpg
~kp
Kent Pearson
I meant to say;
> I'm *always* experimenting with
> different combinations of gear, because there's **NOT** "one" amp made
> that does
> *everything* I want it to do.
~kp
Swack Daddy
Looks to me that you are the expert on retardation in this newsgroup right
now. Troll.
Swack
"Johnn3625" <john...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Swack Daddy
cjt
That's not always the case, clearly.
Swack Daddy
Rock on Kent! Death to Trolls......
Swack
"Kent Pearson .com>" <bluesguit1@aol<remove> wrote in message
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Odin
"Kent Pearson .com>" <bluesguit1@aol<remove> wrote in message
> Here's *my* rig, Friend, from Friday night's gig this past weekend.
Please
> do show us yours. A sound clip of your glorious tone would be even
better.
>
> http://members.aol.com/electricblues2k/public/1_stage.jpg
Uhhh, that beer don't look so good to me, looks a little flat.
Mobomanly
>thanks! I don't think I'm missing much. (And I'm serious as a heart
>attack!!)
>
>Kent Pearson
HA! A TSL! This is all we need to know of amp expert Kent Pearson. I got news
for you, son, even Doug Roccaforte says the DSL/TSL are tinny sounding piece of
dogshit.
Mobomanly
>Keep me the fuck out this bullshit, whoever you are
It's your bullshit about the TSL having great tone that started this shit, son.
>It wasn't my post, and I *never* made the claims against Roccaforte amps
>that this other guy posted, *never*.
You've already been quoted about Roccaforte having raspy tone.
>the kind of shit some guys drool all over themselves over - as
>well as a newer TSL. I even considered a Roccaforte at one point.
And you still went with a TSL? Case closed. You are a tone deaf moron.
>Son, listen . . . regardless of what you may think of Marshalls
Marshalls are awesome, just so they're pre-1980. Your shit isn't Marshall, it's
a Korg, son.
Swack Daddy
Nothing worse than a clueless troll.
Swack.
"JTM50" <lgi...@telus.net> wrote in message
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fishhead
> >From: "Kent Pearson"
> >Keep me the fuck out this bullshit, whoever you are
>
> It's your bullshit about the TSL having great tone that started this shit, son.
Smells like sock puppet.
Silly troll.
Not even a good one.
Kent Pearson
On 28-May-2002, john...@aol.com (Johnn3625) wrote:
> Oh yeah, well as somebody else chimed in, Kent Pearson is one of the best
> players here and this is what he said about your beloved Rocofort and
> Marshall:
<snip>
I wish you hadn't done that, but you did.
Thanks for the compliments, even though I'm sure there are a few guys here
who could send me to the woodshed. But I have to point out, I've always
maintained that the build quality on the Roccaforte amps looks to be
exceptional, regardless of whether or not the few (four, exactly) sound
clips got me going. I probably should have said that the lasted sound clips
posted were excellent, both the playing and the tone, whether it's my kind
of music or not.
I really don't want to be a part of any petty bickering regarding my amp
choices, or the amps that Doug Roccaforte or anyone here builds. While they
may or may not be for everyone, Doug builds a fine product. And I'm happy
enough with what I've got.
True, the Roccaforte's are expensive. Some people want a Cadillac, some
want a Ford. They'll both get you there . . . if you know how to drive.
The world is all about choices. Let it be.
~kp
RoccaforteAmps
FWIW,
my cost to build
one 100watt amp
is over 1200.,
this doesnt include
the 20K in adverstising either!
If someone can build what
I build for 500.00 AND with the
same quality, PLEASE TELL
ME WHERE?????????????
Man, I need the $$$$$$$$$$
Doug
RoyB
> >What you'll have is an amp that is full of printed circuit
> >boards, with numerous board-to-board interconnects
> >which go intermittent on the road. I doubt that you can
> >tell the difference between types of construction, but the
> >wiring inside of one of Doug's amps is *legendary.*
> >Better than damn near anythying else you can find, and
> >that includes old Hiwatts. And if one of those amps can
> >be built in less than one day, *you* damnsure ain't the cat
> >who can pull it off. I *guarantee* you that you can't
> >buy the parts in one of his amps for anywhere near $300.
> >In fact, that won't even get you a set of transformers, let
> >alone anything else. Now, if it was your intent to demonstrate
> >to the world that you're a newbie who doesn't know his shit,
> >you've succeeded admirably. You just took a crap on something
> >you've never seen or heard. You might check the next issue
> >of the ToneQuest Report; you'll find out what an utter ass
> >you've made of yourself.
> >
> >Lord Valve
> >Supreme Exalted Ruler, alt.guitar.amps
> >
>
>
> Yeah, right. I went to a very crowded guitar center yesterday and everyone
> there was blown away by the DSL 50 amp. I aksed them if they carried
Roccaforts
> and two of the salesman said they never even heard of them. They thought I
was
> talking about some type of cheese. They said those operations are
fly-by-nights
> and can't be trusted two years later. They said it doesn't take rocket
science
> to build a guitar amp. WIth them you get a REAL Marshall, a five year
warranty
> and a great resale value. They had a Vintage Vox for over $3500 there, you
> won't see a Rocco there for that.
>
> Oh yeah, this what your esteemed rocket scientist just emailed me, what a
load
> of bullshit:
>
> Watch your step in your posting,
> the last guy who called my Co.
> Roccafart paid me 30K,
> no joke.
> Doug Roccaforte
> RoccaforteAmps.com
> RoccaforteInc.
>
>
> All that over of a TYPO!!! Good lord, I could care less what you call your
> amps, nobody has ever heard of them anyway!!!
>
I was mistaken. You don't drive, you ride the square bus.
RoccaforteAmps
you call your
> amps, nobody has ever heard of them anyway!!!
>>
You mean nobodys
heard of you,
unless you're who
I think you are.
RoccaforteAmps
>BTW did you just take up the guitar this weekend?
>LOL
>>
Lloyd,
hes glued to GC
let him rot.
Doug
Kent Pearson
On 28-May-2002, "John Huff" <joh...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Yeah. In 35 yrs I suspect that there won;t be many DSL/TSL's in service.
I don't know about that. There's never been anything built as poorly as the
Thomas Organ Vox amps, say the Super Beatle. There's still a shitload of
them around, working, 35 years later. I'd say the JCM2000's are much better
built than those. It's all how you take care of it.
> Not near as durable or toneful as a JCM 800 or earlier Marshall. But
> you've
> probably never played through one.
Maybe not as durable as an early Marshall, I'll give you that. But a
JCM800? PCBs are PCBs.
As for tone, it's totally subjective - unless someone can come up with some
concrete proof that one sounds better than the other. It hasn't happened
yet, just the "My dog's bigger than your dog" kinda shit.
~kp
RonSonic
>Yes, Kent Pearson shares your views as well. He bought a TSL and never looked
>back. What is it about you guys and why can't you hear good tone even if it bit
>you in the ass? The new Marshall stuff is tinny crap and I bet yours and Kent's
>playing reflect this.
Kent PLAYS. Make no mistake about that. He doesn't pick amps to suit
my taste, but he works what he's got.
This dingus on the other hand has got to be a total non-player
yapthing.
Ron
Steve Cowell
john...@aol.com says...
> >John if you can't resist a GC sales pitch long enough to learn the facts,
> >it's
> >going to be an expensive life for you.
>
>
> Yeah, right. $1050 to GC for a real Marshall or $2500 to Rocoforte. You tell me
> what's more expensive.
>
Whenever you sell, you'll find out which. Turn right around
and sell both, next day... which one did you take the bath on?
You tell us...
__
Steve
.
RoccaforteAmps
Also,
bawdy bat-fowling giglet canker-blossom
pignut swag-bellied knotty-pated gudgeon.
noc10
> >John if you can't resist a GC sales pitch long enough to learn the facts,
> >it's
> >going to be an expensive life for you.
>
>
> Yeah, right. $1050 to GC for a real Marshall or $2500 to Rocoforte. You
tell me
> what's more expensive.
It depends, what you're asking is, which is more expensive. The Roccoforte
is, as
well it should be. I'd bet that the power transformer Doug uses cost as much
as
the entire pile of parts that Marshall uses to build a "real Marshall".
It would be like saying why go to Dierdorf & Hart for a steak at $75 dollars
when
you can get one for $6.95 at Ponderosa. It's not even a sensible comparison.
What's wrong with a real Marshall?
1) cheap parts, = borderline tolerances, and borderline ratings
2) mass production construction, = circuit board mounted components
flimsy chassis, inferior tubes, cheap cabinet.
3)The way a Marshall comes into a store it is not component tweaked for
tone, it is probably even running really weak (so to make the parts last
for
that 5 year warrantee)
Now, Marshall could make amps the way Doug does, and in fact used to,
but guess what, they would cost as much or more than a Rocceforte.
If you are a beginner guitarist you do not need a Rocceforte or even aTSL
50.
and are not qualified to debate the value of either. If you are a pro, then
Doug's
prices are inline with all the others building amps for pro use and the
factory Pro-shop
versions of the "Name Brand amps" .
Do yourself a BIG favor and take the words of any sales rep at any of the
big
chain stores with a grain of salt. Most of the people working there don't
have much
experience in the music biz. Nor do most of them know anything about amps.
They DO however know how to talk newbies with a handful of cash into
spending it there.
Here's a bet. If you don't know the sales man, go back in a week or so from
now
and tell him that you heard Marshalls suck and that Fender makes the only
REAL
tube amp these days, dollars to donuts he'll agree, telling you whatever
you want to hear and sell you a Fender instead. See, he doesn't care what
you buy, as long as
you buy it from him. Bottom line, if you can see no advantage to a
Rocceforte,
or any P-T-P handmade amp, over a Marshall, then you don't need one.
But to say that there is no difference, or say that the difference isn't
worth the price,
only shows how inexperienced you are.
RoccaforteAmps
Swack Daddy
IMO, It's a matter of choice, at least in some countries. Actually most in
the world today. It sounds like the Troll squad has become jelous of those
who can afford use real quality gear. I like to go to guitar center, and
brose they have good deals on strings, and stuff. They sell alot of gear.
The "saleskids" are just that sales. They are there for money. If you look
like you can afford the high dollor equipment they will hump your leg like a
chihuahua as long as you let them. I I once heard with my own ears the
shaved head guy, at GC LittleRock, sell the same line of shit to about how
there is no better amp, to a guy sitting in front of a Mesa, an with a
marshal, another with a vetta. The screwed thing is I was the guy at the
Mesa, and my friend was buying the Vetta. The trick with GC is to do your
homework first, and know what you want to try, and how you want to try it,
before going in.
Now, I don't have a boutique amp yet, but I making room in the budget,
becouse it doesn't get any better, and no two are identical. It's like
marrying a 25 year old virgin that is absolutley gorgous, and will look 18
forever, and plays keyboards, or drums. Now I didn't get lucky enough to
marry that woman, but I bet it would be nice. Eventhough my Sea hag isn't
any slouch.
Now if only John could go Trolling in a boat, he might catch more fish.
"Kent Pearson .com>" <bluesguit1@aol<remove> wrote in message
Odin
"Kent Pearson .com>" <bluesguit1@aol<remove> wrote in message
> > Yeah. In 35 yrs I suspect that there won;t be many DSL/TSL's in
service.
>
> I don't know about that. There's never been anything built as
poorly as the
> Thomas Organ Vox amps, say the Super Beatle. There's still a
shitload of
> them around, working, 35 years later. I'd say the JCM2000's are
much better
> built than those. It's all how you take care of it.
Yeah, there will be some working examples around, but not the same
percentage of working JCM2000 amps vs JCM2000 amps built as the older
amps I suspect. The older ones are nearly indestructible and the
newer ones aren't. THey are, however, not built like toys and they
should last a long time if properly taken care of and serviced. They
are alsom ore prone to failure with PCB mounted components, etc...as
are most modern PCB amps.
> > Not near as durable or toneful as a JCM 800 or earlier Marshall.
But
> > you've
> > probably never played through one.
I've owned 2 old Marshalls - an 80's JCM800 channel switching model
and a '73 JMP. Both were great and I got tired of both and
traded/sold them years ago. Wish I still had both (along with many
other amps). I owned a JSC2000 DSL and a friend and former bandmate
in a heavy rock band project I played in a few years ago had a TSL100
head. I was impressed with the clean (for a Marshall), thought the
crunch channel was workable, sometimes almost good, the third channel
was useless IMO. Also owned a Mesa Triple Rectifier and liked it even
less, although it did do something well, I just didn't want to do
that. I took apart the JCM2000 and the Mesa and the Mesa was built
much more impressive IMO.
> Maybe not as durable as an early Marshall, I'll give you that. But
a
> JCM800? PCBs are PCBs.
Not exactly. They're both PCB's but all PCB's are not equal. Not
that the JCM2000 PCB's are shit, but they're not all equal. My bigger
complaint is with PCB mounted pots, jacks, tube sockets, etc... that
most modern amp makers use. That's asking for trouble if you ask me.
> As for tone, it's totally subjective - unless someone can come up
with some
> concrete proof that one sounds better than the other. It hasn't
happened
> yet, just the "My dog's bigger than your dog" kinda shit.
While it *is* subjective I think that most of us agree that certain
amp tones are better than others, for example I think we all would
rather have a Fender Twin Reverb for super clean than the clean
channel of a Rectifier Mesa, we'd probably all rather have the tight
low end crunch of a cranked plexi than a cranked Matchless which is a
great amp but farty low end), etc...and almost none of us would put
anything Crate or Peavey or Line 6 in the top 10 amp tones. So while
it's subjective it's also somewhat common to have a majority agree on
certain "benchmark" tones.
noc10
"Odin" <res0...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:6WWI8.28493$Np5....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...> > Have you seen their Rock Walk of Fame?
>
> Yes. Nice marketing prop.
And an apparently effective one to boot.
>
>
> > Do you know how
> > many guitar legends and musicians they feature there?
>
> Yes. What does that have to do with the shit Korg is selling with the
> Marshall name plate on it today?
>
>
> > Are you telling me that
> > all these legends of guitar endorse Guitar center because they are
> "trolls" or
> > "newbies"? LOL!
>
> I'm telling you, not suggesting, that Guitar Center gives these people
> shit to use them for advertising, yet none of those people actually
> play shity PCB modern Marshalls.
Or for that matter, do thier own gear shopping at Guitar Center. The only
time
the rock stars are in a Guitar center is when they get paid to show up for
photo ops, so youngsters like John feel good about the screwing they're
getting. I can't believe that this guy thinks GC is a pro shop. LMAO.
Kent Pearson
On 28-May-2002, Hardly Ma...@aol.com (Mobomanly) stepped up to the line,
leaned forward, and in his mightiest squeak chirped:
> It's your bullshit about the TSL having great tone that started this shit,
> son.
>
Are you high on crack, or are you just Fritz's drinking buddy? Didn't get
layed tonight or something?
> >It wasn't my post, and I *never* made the claims against Roccaforte amps
> >that this other guy posted, *never*.
>
> You've already been quoted about Roccaforte having raspy tone.
>
The troll was complaining about cost versus value and said nothing about
"tone", as I recall. I've always said that the Roccaforte amps appear to be
very well built, so feel free to fuck yourself anytime. (Since that's
probably your problem)
> >the kind of shit some guys drool all over themselves over - as
> >well as a newer TSL. I even considered a Roccaforte at one point.
>
>
> And you still went with a TSL? Case closed. You are a tone deaf moron.
>
I've got lots of amps, and they all get used. And you're simply a moron.
You even don't need a reason. *NOW* the case can be closed.
>
> Marshalls are awesome, just so they're pre-1980.
Whatever you say. Here's mine. Show us yours. ;-))
http://members.aol.com/electricblues2k/public/1_stage.jpg
> Your shit isn't Marshall, it's a Korg, son.
Whatever you say, Puke. It's pretty clear your comprehension chops are just
a mite rusty.
You might want to work on it . . . unless you enjoy showing your ass, that
is.
~kp
Kent Pearson
On 28-May-2002, "Swack Daddy" <whit...@cox-internet.com> wrote:
> to everyone else I wasn't hacking Kent....
> Swack
I knew that. Don't worry about it. ;-)
~kp
Kent Pearson
On 28-May-2002, fishhead <fish...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Smells like sock puppet.
DEFINITE sock puppet, no doubt about it.
~kp
RonSonic
Is there any reason to think that mobo...@aol.com (Mobomanly) and
john...@aol.com (Johnn3625) arent' the same guy.
Nice troll attempt, but really not that original.
Ron
Chuck_b
needed to not sound like anybody else to make my living playing guitar, I
would strongly consider Roccaforte and other boutique outfits. To each his
or her own.
"Johnn3625" <john...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Kent Pearson
stir up. Please feel free to email me if there's anything you'd like to
discuss relative to this. Stay cool, have a good one,
~kp
Kent Pearson
On 28-May-2002, Hardly Ma...@aol.com (Mobomanly) wrote:
> This is all we need to know of amp expert Kent Pearson. I got news
> for you, son, even Doug Roccaforte says the DSL/TSL are tinny sounding
> piece of
> dogshit
I got news for you, Fritz . . . er . . "Son" . . . we're all waiting on the
edge of our seats to hear *your* wonderful tone. You won't let us down,
will you?
~kp
Kent Pearson
On 28-May-2002, cjt <chel...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> > He's obviously not mature enough to realize you get what you pay for.
> >
> > winnard
>
> That's not always the case, clearly.
One thing I think we can all agree on . . . you definitely *pay* for what
you get!
~kp
PMG
wrote:
It seems to have been a tread full of trolls. It's not even a full
moon! That was on Sunday. And it's not Friday either.
Pete
Kent Pearson
On 28-May-2002, RonSonic <rons...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> Kent PLAYS. Make no mistake about that. He doesn't pick amps to suit
> my taste, but he works what he's got.
Thank you, Ron. BTW, which amps should I turn *your* way? ;-)
~kp
Mark Mantle
To be unknowledgable is one thing, to TRASH something you know nothing about
is something entirely different.
The difference between Doug's amps and one of todays Marshalls is that he
handwires every last one (note the HAND), while Marshall's PCP boards come
off an assembly line.
the bottom line...LOVE....and TONE!
I'm not dismissing PCP amps (i've had like 5 of them, and still have one and
love it), but You have never heard Doug's amps and don't know what your
talking about, so how can you justify shitting on them like that.
If you investigated a little furthur, looked at who Doug has done work for,
who is using his amps as of now and the cost of other PTP amps...then you
would realize your faults.
Maybe you should look at Doug's site, as well as this one to get a better
idea.
www.roccaforteamps.com
www.plexipalace.com
Mark Mantle
Kent Pearson
On 28-May-2002, "Odin" <res0...@verizon.net> wrote:
> My bigger
> complaint is with PCB mounted pots, jacks, tube sockets, etc... that
> most modern amp makers use. That's asking for trouble if you ask me.
I have to say, I'm in agreement there. That *is* a bit worrisome.
~kp
Vegas DeMilo
the advice from minimum wage earning Guitar Center employees.
"Johnn3625" <john...@aol.com> wrote in message
noc10
"Kent Pearson .com>" <bluesguit1@aol<remove> wrote in message
> CORRECTION:
>
>
> I meant to say;
>
> > I'm *always* experimenting with
> > different combinations of gear, because there's **NOT** "one" amp made
> > that does
> > *everything* I want it to do.
>
> ~kp
>
I for one am glad that you spoke up. Having read the thread (reverb) that
this
guy had referenced, I had figured your response would pretty much what it
was.
Mark Mantle
"Mark Mantle" <ed.m...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Odin
"Kent Pearson .com>" <bluesguit1@aol<remove> wrote in message
> > My bigger
> > complaint is with PCB mounted pots, jacks, tube sockets, etc...
that
> > most modern amp makers use. That's asking for trouble if you ask
me.
>
> I have to say, I'm in agreement there. That *is* a bit worrisome.
> ~kp
Even for local weekend giggers like me, I've had problems with these
issues before. For a touring band I just wouldn't trust them. Of
course if I was a touring player I could probably afford several
backups, but why?
D.G. Devin
>I was just checking this guy Roccafarts website and he wants $1600 for an
18
>watt amp head. $1600 for an 18 watter!!! I can go to Guitar Center and get
a 50
>or 100 watt MARSHALL DSL for $1049.
Apples and oranges, you can buy a Yugo for way less than a Cadillac, doesn't
mean the Cadillac is overpriced.
You can buy an off-the-rack suit from Sears for way less than it would cost
to have one made for you by a good tailor, but I'll tell you something, the
tailor-made suit will not only fit better, it will last forever. Same thing
with amps, you get what you pay for (for the most part). Some people are
obsessed with logos, and Marshall is one of those magic names that rings the
bell with most folks, but the nameplate doesn't contribute to the sound or
make it work after its been bashed around on the road for awhile.
As for your views on the cost of the parts and labor, people who know way
more about these things than I do assure me you are underestimating the cost
of building one of these amps by a whole bunch. Of course, you can always
prove us wrong, buy a kit from Allen amps or somebody and slap it together
in a day, if you can.
D.G. Devin
>Yeah, right. I went to a very crowded guitar center yesterday and everyone
>there was blown away by the DSL 50 amp. I aksed them if they carried
Roccaforts
>and two of the salesman said they never even heard of them. They thought I
was
>talking about some type of cheese. They said those operations are
fly-by-nights
>and can't be trusted two years later.
The folks at guitar center will claim to be blown away by the nasty Crate
amps they push so hard too, does that mean you will trust them to choose
your next amp for you?
Johnn3625
>handwires every last one (note the HAND), while Marshall's PCP boards come
>off an assembly line.
>
If you knew anything, ANYTHING, you would know PCP or handwired DOES NOT EFFECT
TONE.
Next...
Johnn3625
>Don't you think that if you could, your time and knowledge should hold
>value?
>
>Marshall builds w/exponentially less cost piece for piece....
The differnce is Marshall pays their employees $10 and hour where Rocky charges
$400 an hour. Parts are cheap. You're missing the point. DO you want to help
some guy in England get by or do you want to pay Rocky $400 an hour so he can
take his 3 teenage daughters shopping at the mall???
Johnn3625
And you don't think that fairly paid Marshall laborer isn't just as proud of
his work? Just because Rocco commands $400 an hour doesn't mean he is worth it.
Johnn3625
>A house sells for alot more than the sum of its parts. I guess contractors
>and laborers should build the house for free?
I was estimating an 18 watter would be 2-300, not the plexi. They shouldn't
build for free, but be reasonable.
>Yeah. In 35 yrs I suspect that there won;t be many DSL/TSL's in service. Not
>near as durable or toneful as a JCM 800 or earlier Marshall.
This shows your ignorance. JCM800 were PCB as well and they last fine.
>But you've
>probably never played through one.
>
Kent Pearson went outon bought one becuase you guys thought it was the shit,
but guess what, he said his 'lowly' TSL blew it away. There was no comparison.
I respect his opinion a lot more than yours. He also chose TSL over Rocofort.
Deal with it.
Johnn3625
>Halen is a customer of Doug Roccaforte.
>
Everyone knows ed has his own amp and guitar line. He has no need for a Rocco.
Johnn3625
>Marshalls, just like Doug Roccaforte builds, NOT new DSL shit. Now he
>plays Peavy shit and sounds like it
It would be cool to have the 5-7 of you here (not counting Doug's sock puppets)
in the Guitar Center yesterday. There were people waiting in line to play the
DSL and TSLs. They would laugh at what you just said. Like the GC employee (who
can nail EVH's eruption note for note) who told me:
"Do you want to stand on stage and have a stack of Marshalls behind you or
something called Coccofart that no one has ever heard of before?"
He made a damn good point. Just look at all the hard rock bands that use stacks
of Marshalls on stage.
Johnn3625
>time
>the rock stars are in a Guitar center is when they get paid to show up for
>photo ops, so youngsters like John feel good about the screwing they're
>getting. I can't believe that this guy thinks GC is a pro shop. LMAO.
>
Wrong, I've been told by more than one employee that they have a long standing
account with EVH's 5150 studios and he buys shit like crazy. These guys in
Hollywood GC sell thousands and thousands every week to local rock bands. They
aren't the biggest music store for nothing.
winnard
> > Three words. Blood Sweat and Labor.
>
> And you don't think that fairly paid Marshall laborer isn't just as proud
of
> his work?
Not even close. Punch clock, work, punch clock, leave work.
winnard
Johnn3625
>for you, son, even Doug Roccaforte says the DSL/TSL are tinny sounding piece
>of
This was very classy of Doug, wasn't it? I don't see Jim Marshall here trashing
Doug's stuff. I wonder if the Marshall bigwigs read this group? I bet they
laugh at the handfull here that calls their new stuff crap while they sell
millions of amps every year. If it was so bad, it wouldn't sell, and all the
major stores (GC, SamAsh, Mars etc.) wouldn't showcase them.
RoyB
"> I'm not dismissing PCP amps (i've had like 5 of them, and still have one
and
> love it), but You have never heard Doug's amps and don't know what your
> talking about, so how can you justify shitting on them like that.
Dude! Whoa! A PCP Amp! What a stoner!
RoyB
PCP DEFINITELY EFFECTS (sic) TONE.............................
RoyB
So, John...........what do you think about Rush Limbaugh?
noc10
> >Nope, but I've heard of Eddie Van Halen, and he used to play old
> >Marshalls, just like Doug Roccaforte builds, NOT new DSL shit. Now he
> >plays Peavy shit and sounds like it
>
>
> It would be cool to have the 5-7 of you here (not counting Doug's sock
puppets)
> in the Guitar Center yesterday. There were people waiting in line to play
the
> DSL and TSLs. They would laugh at what you just said. Like the GC employee
(who
> can nail EVH's eruption note for note) who told me:
OHHH! He can nail Eruption, yeah him and every other EVH wanna be since
about
1986 or so.
>
> "Do you want to stand on stage and have a stack of Marshalls behind you or
> something called Coccofart that no one has ever heard of before?"
You should have said that you/ve never heard of, Plenty of people have.Maybe
not
at Guitar Center, but that's a poser joint anyway. Amps as fashion, that's a
good one.
>
> He made a damn good point. Just look at all the hard rock bands that use
stacks
> of Marshalls on stage.
>
Then again, look at all the one's that don't.
Swack Daddy
for minimum wage. Gess you are so fucking stupid. Give up Retard... You just
make the arguements so easy it is not really even entertaining...
Swack.
noc10
Until you turn on your amp after it's rattled it's way across the state and
it doesn't work because some crappy wave soldered pot lead has cracked
loose. I'd say that would affect your tone.
Next...
Bert Mingea
"Johnn3625" <john...@aol.com> wrote:
Go ahead and buy the fucking Marshall then. JESUS!! I doubt Doug would
want you associated with his amps anyway.
Bert
noc10
Step away from the crap pipe, moron.
I think many here know the deal about KP, and his amp choice.
Your lies and bullshit show that you, clearly do not.
You're just a troll.
Swack Daddy
they can. They are business people. They make amps on assembly lines, so
Idiots like you can buy them. Old marshals are sweat, new marshals are not
what Jim invisioned I'm sure. They sell shirts to..You are probably
wondering when Doug will have a line of shirts so you can by one of those
too... You can probably tell all of us when N'sync is releasing thier next
CD.... You are a Fritz-o-nazi freak. No you are not even worth the sweat off
Fritz's balls.
Swack
"Johnn3625" <john...@aol.com> wrote in message
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noc10
Well, Ill bet that EVH has eaten at McDonalds too. They also are the
biggest.
But not where I'd go for quality.
If you want to hang around the GC and lap up the hype, fine, it's your
career.
>
H2R
"Johnn3625" >Typed with one hand while masturbating with the other...
If you knew anything, ANYTHING, you would know PCP or handwired DOES NOT
EFFECT
> TONE.
Well actually there is a different capacative effect for both methods
of manufacture.
noc10
" Z " <mws...@aol.comp> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> >You are an idiot <snip>
>
> A guy is an idiot because he doesn't want a $1600 18-watt head. Oh-kay.
>
>
No he's just an idiot,
You on the other hand are an asshole who snips everything
down to a meaningless quip, then posts an even more meaningless reply.
Go fuck yourself, and I mean it sincerely.
H2R
Feel free to add to it..........
"Marshall stopped making real Marshalls when you were still shitting
yellow, son." (love this one)
You're dismissed
Here comes your mom, time to go
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" Z " <mws...@aol.comp> wrote in message
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> >Watch your step in your posting,
> >the last guy who called my Co.
> >Roccafart paid me 30K,
> >no joke.
>
> Then why am I laughing?
I give up. Is it because your a brain dead retard?
Swack Daddy
How much do you pay to go see a concert $40 plus.... I haven't been to many
concerts lately. That to is a chioce thing... Multiply that time the number
of people attending, then figure how much each band member gets, then
include media sales, royalties, and ect. Now say "let's be reasonable" I
guess you think that they are not worth that either.... Doug's Amps are like
a musicians music. I build what equates to buotique computers if there is
such a thing... Custom system, custom servers, custom networks, Where are
you? I may have built the net at the internet coffee house you set your
Yuppie ass at, send your trollish bull. I command high prices for my
systems, and those who know pay it, becouse they get what they pay for. I do
it as a side gig, becouse It's art to me... I don't play music
professionally (a chioce thing) becouse i don't want to. It's like sitting
there beatting the hell out of that Jampack (squire, ans sidekick amp) that
so knowledgable CG employee told you to buy.... You call it art, I call
it...... Well your sound.... Or some sort abstract expressionism art.
Swack
"Johnn3625" <john...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Miles O'Neal
|I was just checking this guy Roccafarts website and he wants $1600 for an 18
|watt amp head. $1600 for an 18 watter!!! I can go to Guitar Center and get a 50
|or 100 watt MARSHALL DSL for $1049.
I bet if you had a Ferrari, you
couldn't tell the difference between
it and a '64 Volkswagen Bug, either.
Heh. You don't like Doug's dollar
per watt ratio? Go look at Maven
Peal!
Then go back and play your Crate
and dream of the Marshall you'll
buy one day. Be happy. But quit
pissing on things you don't understand.
One day you'll hit a high voltage
line and BLAM - your pisser'll be
gone in a blaze of not so glory.
|If these bootique shops were honest and charged like $750 for their 100 watt
|heads, maybe they would do more business, make more money and be more well
Grow up. Get at least a basic
education in economics. Then learn
why things that are handmade (a)
cost more and (b) can have much more
intrinsic value. Then you'll at least
have a basis for a discussion instead
of just a smug, uninformed attitude.
(AKA, prejudice)
-Miles