British 6L6GC's from Westinghouse???
NOSPA...@voicenet.com
Came across a pair of NOS 6L6GC's, boxed by Westinghouse and stamped with
Made In England. Anybody know anything about these tubes? Comparable to
what?
Gary
TimTube
In article <61e0m7$r37$1...@news3.voicenet.com>, ""
<NOSPA...@voicenet.com> writes:
I''d bet that they are the low end Reflektor 6L6GC, aka Sovtec 6L6GC,
Groove Tubes 6V6HD.
Tim
A great amp can make a lousy guitar sound great.
A lousy amp will make a great guitar sound lousy.
Danny Russell
TimTube wrote:
>
> In article <61e0m7$r37$1...@news3.voicenet.com>, ""
> <NOSPA...@voicenet.com> writes:
>
> >
> >Came across a pair of NOS 6L6GC's, boxed by Westinghouse and stamped with
> >Made In England. Anybody know anything about these tubes? Comparable to
> >what?
> >
> >
>
> I''d bet that they are the low end Reflektor 6L6GC, aka Sovtec 6L6GC,
> Groove Tubes 6V6HD.
I just had a bandmaster come in for repair a few days ago sporting a
pair of those. The plates were all scorched, the paint burned to shit,
and they were imprinted with: "MULLARD- MADE IN ENGLAND" Couldn't have
been in that amp for more than a month or two. Customer had installed
the tubes himself so it wasn't biased up or anything. I guess he had
heard somewhwre that Mullard was the shit, and wanted to do something
special for his amp. I didn't have the courage to ask howsa much dey
costed? It's really borderline criminal. I believe that most of the
stores selling these over the counter are not aware of what they are
pedaling, although some of 'em might. I really feel bad for the players
that end up with these tubes in their amp. -Danny
Gruvmyster
Paul Cassone wrote:
> Back in the seventies, Radio Shack was selling 6L6GC's that had a Lifetime
> Guarantee, that said they were made in England. ANybody have any idea
> where these were really made. Maybe Reflektor again?
Yep. I've also seen Raytheon-branded 6L6GCs that were made in Russia, yet
labelled "Made in England". In the late '60s-early '70s it seems there was
lots of that going on. Am I the only one that's seen GE and RCA "Made in Great
Britain" Japanese EL34s and 5AR4s?
Doug
--
"A good solution applied with vigor now is better than
a perfect solution applied ten minutes later"-- George S. Patton
Ned Carlson
"" <NOSPA...@voicenet.com> wrote:
>Came across a pair of NOS 6L6GC's, boxed by Westinghouse and stamped with
>Made In England. Anybody know anything about these tubes? Comparable to
>what?
They are Russian, if the base is wider the glass, then they are really
6L6-GT, not GC and they have the same ratings as old 6L6-G US made,
namely only 21 watts plate dissipation.
The "Made in England" label was a ploy to avoid the 35% import duty
(as opposed to the usual 4%) on goods made in the former
Soviet Union. Those tubes turn up under a number of house brand
names,like United.
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Paul Cassone
Back in the seventies, Radio Shack was selling 6L6GC's that had a Lifetime
Guarantee, that said they were made in England. ANybody have any idea
where these were really made. Maybe Reflektor again?
Regards,
Paul
Ned Carlson
Danny Russell <bl...@flash.net> wrote:
>I just had a bandmaster come in for repair a few days ago sporting a
>pair of those. The plates were all scorched, the paint burned to shit,
>and they were imprinted with: "MULLARD- MADE IN ENGLAND" Couldn't have
>been in that amp for more than a month or two. Customer had installed
>the tubes himself so it wasn't biased up or anything. I guess he had
>heard somewhwre that Mullard was the shit, and wanted to do something
>special for his amp. I didn't have the courage to ask howsa much dey
>costed? It's really borderline criminal.
Ahh, yes, but the statute of limitations have expired.
The Mullard brand name was purchased by Richardson Electronics
quite a while ago. I note that lately they have not used the
Mullard nor "BVA" brand, I suspect that the Real Big Money,
read GEC, General Electric Company of the UK, may have objected.
Note that GEC, under the name of their subsidiary
English Electric Valve Co., continue to make new vacuum tubes.
Those are not common recieving tubes, however.
Big Eddie Richardson (read: the Bill Gates of the Tube World)
does own the Amperex brand name, does sell new transmitting tubes
under that brand name (which, BTW, seem to be just fine).
Richardson sell (or sells, if yer a septic) recieving tubes
as "Amperex Buggle Boys" (or "Bugle Boys" if you aren't the
Spamchop), which are US made tubes burnt in on Dutch
burn in racks. (according to their web site..WTF..see
http://www.tubes-r-us.com judge for yourself whether they are
real "Buggle Boys" or not)
Many Russian tubes were labelled "Made in England" or
"Made in Bumfuck,Egypt", or whatever, to avoid the
35% duty formerly imposed on Russian or other ex-Communist bloc
goods.
>I believe that most of the
>stores selling these over the counter are not aware of what they are
>pedaling, although some of 'em might.
It's tough to know, unless one knows tubes on sight ("in sight,
it must be right", old Steak n' Shake slogan). I'd be
skeptical (or sceptical) of anything presented as NOS,
but I'd also be equally tolerant of folks that might *unknowingly*
offer Russian or other non NOS goods as NOS..you don't
have to buy the stuff, justr politely inform them of their
possible mistake...
Tom
Gruvmyster wrote:
> labelled "Made in England". In the late '60s-early '70s it seems there was
> lots of that going on. Am I the only one that's seen GE and RCA "Made in Great
> Britain" Japanese EL34s and 5AR4s?
>
> Doug
> --
> "A good solution applied with vigor now is better than
> a perfect solution applied ten minutes later"-- George S. Patton
"made in France" ...and some "made in Belgium"...all of them have pretty
weak tone.
Ned Carlson
Tom <tma...@erols.com> wrote:
>I've got a handful of Philips 6V6's I bought in the early 80's marked
>"made in France" ...and some "made in Belgium"...all of them have pretty
>weak tone.
If the glass in black on the sides and clear on top, they're
likely Russian, also. I do not recall ever seeing 6V6-GT's
that were made in Western Europe (that doesn't mean it never
happen), but I certainly have seen British made ones.
Heck, I have a case of British 6V6-GT in military boxes
datecoded 1966....
Ned Carlson
Gruvmyster <dhau...@mail.idt.net> wrote:
>
>
>Paul Cassone wrote:
>
>> Back in the seventies, Radio Shack was selling 6L6GC's that had a Lifetime
>> Guarantee, that said they were made in England. ANybody have any idea
>> where these were really made. Maybe Reflektor again?
BTW, if you have a bum "Lifetime Guarantee" Radio Slack tube, take it
back, and they will replace it, or so several posters to RAT have
stated.
>
>Yep. I've also seen Raytheon-branded 6L6GCs that were made in Russia, yet
>labelled "Made in England". In the late '60s-early '70s it seems there was
>lots of that going on.
Until the feds started cracking down in the 1980's.
Until the 35% duty expired, they were inspecting all
of our imported vacuum tubes, and we had to post a
$250,000 surety bond to get them out to label them
with correct country of origin, then have a Customs guy
inspect them before they were released for sale.
>Am I the only one that's seen GE and RCA "Made in Great
>Britain" Japanese EL34s and 5AR4s?
Yeah, and they fooled even me. The identifying mark
in an "X" mold mark on the top of the bulb.