Fender Super Reverb Settings?
kda...@intrex.net
Hey:
I was just wondering what settings people in here use for their Super Reverbs.
I've got an early 70s SR without master volume. I also use an original Ibanez
TS-9 tube screamer. I'm just interested in what other people dial in. I
generally go 10 bass, 8 mid, and 10 trebble. Obviously, it's not a subtle
combination. I set the TS-9 at Distortion: 2 o'clock, Tone: 9 o'clock, and
level straight up at noon. Anybody else out there have settings they like? I
play a Tele, Steinberger M Series, and an SG through it, but the Tele is my
favorite. Anybody know how to modify the Super Reverb to Blackface specs?
Does it really make much difference? Also, is the TS-808 far superior to the
TS-9? I know my TS-9 blows my TS-10 out of the water everytime.
Please forgive the multitude of questions.
Thanks,
Kevin Darbro
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Randy Neifer
kda...@intrex.net wrote:
>
> Hey:
>
> I was just wondering what settings people in here use for their Super Reverbs.
> I've got an early 70s SR without master volume. I also use an original Ibanez
> TS-9 tube screamer. I'm just interested in what other people dial in. I
> generally go 10 bass, 8 mid, and 10 trebble.
I have a '71, that I had "Blackfaced" inside and out. I found an amp
tech locally who advertises his services in Vintage Guitar Mag.
He not only changed all the weak and inferior caps, he added reverb to
side 1, and beefed it up to sound tweed. After he was done, I could not
believe it was my amp. This baby rocks, and playing the blues on this
amp is just incredible.
I have my setting as follows:
side 1, Volume 5, Trble 8, Bass 4
Side 2, Volume 6, Treble 6, Mid 5, Bass 4, and I keep the reverb at 5
This does change with the guitar, but I play mostly a Tele through it
and it gives me a great tone and vibe
Hope this helps
Oh! The Techs name is Jeff Speers, and you can find his ad in VG.
Randy
Alan Thompson
I'm just curious about one thing here, and that is the bass set at 10. In my
experience, Fender amps have too much bass, and anything over about 4 results in a
lot of "woofiness" in the bass. Is your amp stock, and have you tried setting the
bass lower?
A.T.
kda...@intrex.net wrote:
> Hey:
>
> I was just wondering what settings people in here use for their Super Reverbs.
> I've got an early 70s SR without master volume. I also use an original Ibanez
> TS-9 tube screamer. I'm just interested in what other people dial in. I
Rich Koerner
Alan Thompson wrote:
>
> I'm just curious about one thing here, and that is the bass set at 10. In my
> experience, Fender amps have too much bass, and anything over about 4 results in a
> lot of "woofiness" in the bass. Is your amp stock, and have you tried setting the
> bass lower?
>
> A.T.
What is Woofieness?
That is the second time I've heard that term use as
some what of a complaint about the low end sonics.
I'm just trying to figure out if this would be an insult or a
compliment,
if used in a commentary of someones tone.
Would this be the new "Politically Correct Term" for too much bottom?
Regards,
Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com
DBloozz
>I was just wondering what settings people in here use for their Super Reverbs.
I have a'67 BF. I play a '62 USA RI I play through it, treble 7, mid 8.5,
bass 6, reverb 4.
Peace
DBloozz
Rich
On Thu, 28 May 1998 09:24:05 -0400, Rich Koerner <ri...@timeelect.com>
wrote:
>Alan Thompson wrote:
>>
>> I'm just curious about one thing here, and that is the bass set at 10. In my
>> experience, Fender amps have too much bass, and anything over about 4 results in a
>> lot of "woofiness" in the bass. Is your amp stock, and have you tried setting the
>> bass lower?
>>
>> A.T.
>
>
>What is Woofieness?
An other term used is "farty" - you get the idea! Flabby lows,
distorted but not in a nice way.
I saw Albert Collins several times (in different clubs on different
clubs) and he always had everything on 10, including the reverb!
Sounded great, loud as a mofo, but he was also playing one of those
tele customs with h'buckers and he did use a pick.
Rich Koerner
Rich wrote:
>
> >What is Woofieness?
> An other term used is "farty" - you get the idea! Flabby lows,
> distorted but not in a nice way.
> I saw Albert Collins several times (in different clubs on different
> clubs) and he always had everything on 10, including the reverb!
> Sounded great, loud as a mofo, but he was also playing one of those
> tele customs with h'buckers and he did use a pick.
>
OK! Now I got it. Thanks for putting me straight.
Now, that Farty Term WORKS For Me! :)
Woofie, is not something I'd add to my vocabulary because
of the implied dainty vagueness.
However, its usage could spare some hurt feelings.
I'll have to remember that for some future use.
Why did I just think of Rush Lim....???? :)
<scratching head>
I really need a vacation soon.
Alan Thompson
As for "woofiness", I was searching for a term to describe the excess bass. What I
meant is, on most BF Fenders, if you put the bass control over 5 or 6, you get an excess
of bass that overpowers the mid and treble and has little clarity, not a good punchy
clear bass note. It's always hard to put distinctions in sound into words. On my
Marshall, I can just about dime the bass and still chords will sound balanced, on the
Fenders I have owned, I found they sounded better with the bass at 4 or 5. I've read
that some people play with component values to put the Fender bass controls in a more
usable range.
A.T.
Rich Koerner wrote:
> Alan Thompson wrote:
> >
> > I'm just curious about one thing here, and that is the bass set at 10. In my
> > experience, Fender amps have too much bass, and anything over about 4 results in a
> > lot of "woofiness" in the bass. Is your amp stock, and have you tried setting the
> > bass lower?
> >
> > A.T.
>
> What is Woofieness?
>
> That is the second time I've heard that term use as
> some what of a complaint about the low end sonics.
>
> I'm just trying to figure out if this would be an insult or a
> compliment,
> if used in a commentary of someones tone.
>
> Would this be the new "Politically Correct Term" for too much bottom?
>
Alan Thompson
BTW, I am not prone to "political correctness", generally. I find it to be annoying.
kda...@intrex.net
In article <6kjajt$o...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
Alan Thompson <Zomb...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> I'm just curious about one thing here, and that is the bass set at 10. In my
> experience, Fender amps have too much bass, and anything over about 4 results in a
> lot of "woofiness" in the bass. Is your amp stock, and have you tried setting the
> bass lower?
>
> A.T.
As far as I know it's stock. I bought it used a couple of years ago. I have
messed around a bit with setting the bass lower, but haven't found "The Tone"
yet. I guess I just need to play around a bit. That's why I was asking for
some jumping off points. Thanks for your suggestion, I'll try it.
- Kevin
kda...@intrex.net
In article <6kjo12$3...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
ri...@timeelect.com wrote:
>
> Alan Thompson wrote:
> >
> > I'm just curious about one thing here, and that is the bass set at 10. In my
> > experience, Fender amps have too much bass, and anything over about 4 results in a
> > lot of "woofiness" in the bass. Is your amp stock, and have you tried setting the
> > bass lower?
> >
> > A.T.
>
>
> That is the second time I've heard that term use as
> some what of a complaint about the low end sonics.
>
> I'm just trying to figure out if this would be an insult or a
> compliment,
> if used in a commentary of someones tone.
>
> Would this be the new "Politically Correct Term" for too much bottom?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich Koerner,
> Time Electronics.
> http://www.timeelect.com
>
really farty sound without any punch. Without presence. You can never get
too much bottom.
kda...@intrex.net
In article <6klodt$3...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
Alan Thompson <Zomb...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> As for "woofiness", I was searching for a term to describe the excess bass. What I
> meant is, on most BF Fenders, if you put the bass control over 5 or 6, you get an excess
> of bass that overpowers the mid and treble and has little clarity, not a good punchy
> clear bass note. It's always hard to put distinctions in sound into words. On my
> Marshall, I can just about dime the bass and still chords will sound balanced, on the
> Fenders I have owned, I found they sounded better with the bass at 4 or 5. I've read
> that some people play with component values to put the Fender bass controls in a more
> usable range.
>
> A.T.
>
someone played with the values, I find the entire range useful. I will play
around with your suggested settings though. By the way, does the Blackface
sound better than the silver?
Rich Koerner
Alan Thompson wrote:
>
> As for "woofiness", I was searching for a term to describe the excess bass. What I
> meant is, on most BF Fenders, if you put the bass control over 5 or 6, you get an excess
> of bass that overpowers the mid and treble and has little clarity, not a good punchy
> clear bass note. It's always hard to put distinctions in sound into words. On my
> Marshall, I can just about dime the bass and still chords will sound balanced, on the
> Fenders I have owned, I found they sounded better with the bass at 4 or 5. I've read
> that some people play with component values to put the Fender bass controls in a more
> usable range.
>
> A.T.
>
>
> > Alan Thompson wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm just curious about one thing here, and that is the bass set at 10. In my
> > > experience, Fender amps have too much bass, and anything over about 4 results in a
> > > lot of "woofiness" in the bass. Is your amp stock, and have you tried setting the
> > > bass lower?
> > >
> > > A.T.
> >
I guess this is a personal thing with players. I have two strats and a
Custom Crazy.
Of the three, one is my original 62 (not re-issued) with the original
single coil
pickups. With that guitar, 10 on the bass control is just fine with the
treble
on 10 and mid around 0-4.
If I switch and use either of the others, with their humbuckers, I just
back down
the volume controls, and the same tone settings work fine. If I want
the bottom
end to break up with the highs to stay clean, I just raise the volume
control on
the guitar. Now, I have been known to whip them tone controls around
between songs to get the sound closer to the original recordings when
playing covers.
My Rock-N-Roll reasoning is that if I re-adjusted for the humbuckers,
they would come out of the amp sounding simular to the single coils.
I'd want them humbuckers to do their,....
Mc Nasty BEST,
creating all those "Great Rock The House" sonics that Kick Butt!!!
Now for playing Jazz or Country, that would be quite another combination
of tone settings.
Keep them tone controls moving and don't get LOCKED In to a Sonic Rut!!!
Rich Koerner
> My Super Reverb is Silverface, early 70's without a master volume. Maybe
> someone played with the values, I find the entire range useful. I will play
> around with your suggested settings though. By the way, does the Blackface
> sound better than the silver?
This is not directed at the poster of this comment. But is a comment I
have heard many times with respect to the difference between the BF and
the SF of the different models the Fender has made.
For those in the NG who have a SF, and wonder about the BF sounds, or
the other way around, I would have to say the following:
There are a lot of GREAT sounds in that SF you have there. Who is to
say which is better. SF or BF???? You have many variables. The
settings of the controls on the amp and guitar, the type of pickups, the
ga. and type of strings, and MOST Important, "your touch".
All these will determin what you will finally hear from the speakers.
If you haven't explored all the possibilities that are present, you have
missed a lot of the potential that sits in front of you.
Find all that you can about what you have first, before you look
elsewhere.
Regards,
Rich Koerner
Time ELectronics.
http://www.timeelect.com
DBloozz
> "Woofy" to me means a really farty sound without any punch. Without
presence. You can never get too much bottom.
To me woofy means that the bass note jumps out fast and over satuated in kind
of a whoosh fashion that kinda mimmics the sound of the word woof. Farty to me
means that the bass is restrained in a restricten fashion like a fart or
possibly a blown speaker.
Peace
DBloozz
DBloozz
The tubes a amp is running can make a difference of the tone and EQ. That's
why we change them around. Some have more of a woofy sound and others have a
tight bass response. Some have a rounder treble response ... some a thin treble
response etc. and on and on... yadda yadda ..... but it works and it is fun to
have these different tubes to throw in your amp when you get into the amp
searching mode... Educates your ears also. Then when you run into an amp that
doesn't sound so good you can figure out that if a person was to change the
tubes to thus and so on this amp it would probably sound like (whatever).
Peace
DBloozz
Sidebar
I agree with Alan Thompson -- try the bass on 4, even 3. But I have to
add that you probably have too much mid too. Try that at from 4-6.
Peace.
Ed
>I'm just curious about one thing here, and that is the bass set at 10. In my
>experience, Fender amps have too much bass, and anything over about 4 results in a
>lot of "woofiness" in the bass. Is your amp stock, and have you tried setting the
>bass lower?
When I first got my blackface Super Reverb, the amp was "woofy" or
"farty", and I couldn't turn the bass up too high. The first thing you
should do is make sure all the electrolytics are in good condition.
Get a good cap job, if you can afford it. Your amp will thank you.
Next thing, check out the capacitor coming from the normal and vibrato
channels into the phase inverter (driver) section. I think there's two
220k resistors going into this cap. If it's too large, it will be
excessively bassy. I think that cap should be .001, but people modify
it like that Weber's book to a .01, which will give you way too much
bass response, and it will quickly get muddy at higher volume levels.
Also, if you pull out the wire between your treble and volume and
insert a .001uF to .0022 capacitor, it will cut out all of the
sub-bass garbage that goes through all your gain stages and muddies up
the amp. Your amp will be tighter, and you can turn up your bass quite
a bit higher at good volume levels, and your amp will have a nice warm
tone and a solid "kick" as opposed to the woofy fart syndrome.
John R. McGrath
A couple of thoughts on the "woofyness" issue:
The FenderSR is a classic guitar amp. Many pickers have developed their
unique sounds because the amp is so crude. You can change tubes, speakers,
stuff old shirts in the back, grossly mod the input signal way off the
designers intended levels. But this is art not science. Go make your own
sound.
In my early EE days I tried to mimic the SR's characteristics in solid
state, well you know where that went; you can't copy a moving toarget. The
"woofy" comes from the input overmodulation in the low freq. range when you
crank the bass. The preamp section on the SR completely swamps the power
amp input section in the low range. Your trying to increase power output
by increasing signal! That's why you get a lot crisper sound out of the
amp with the bass down, and mids up( helps with volume). It's also why the
Marshalls can carry a crisper bass at higher volumes ( a kick ass power
amp!)
With bass a lot will depend on the acoustics of where you play. My twin
rev has similar problems ( but more power). When I need to move more "air"
I plug in a box I made with two 15" JBLs. and keep the settings on the amp
the same. Another approach is to split or mike the input to another amp
with strong bass characteristics.