Lord Valve: 12AX7 vs 12AX7A?
Armitage
What's the difference, I've bought amps that said they take 12AX7s but
had 12AX7As in them... same thing?
Remove REMOVE from return address.
BenjaminF
Type 12AX7A has contolled hum and noise characteristics over 12AX7
and is targeted at hi fidelity audio applications.
Types ECC83 and 7025 are suitable replacements.
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This Benjie fellow does NOT know how to read a simple listing in a
simple tube manual do not trust him under any circumstances. He will
lie to cover his inaccuracies and inadequacies.
Back to business
A 12AX7A can replace a 12AX7.
ROn
On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:56:57 -0400, BenjaminF <j...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Gilbert Bates
wrote:
>Armitage wrote:
>>
>> Lord Valve: 12AX7 vs 12AX7A?
>> What's the difference, I've bought amps that said they take 12AX7s but
>> had 12AX7As in them... same thing?
>>
>> Remove REMOVE from return address.
>
> Type 12AX7A has contolled hum and noise characteristics over 12AX7
> and is targeted at hi fidelity audio applications.
>
I don't believe the 'A' was targeted for hi-fi since the 'A' was,
generally speaking, an *improved* tube which more or less replaced the
12AX7. One of the more notable improvements was the slow turn of the
filament which didn't flare brightly upon power up.
Lord Valve
>Armitage wrote:
>>
>> Lord Valve: 12AX7 vs 12AX7A?
>> What's the difference, I've bought amps that said they take 12AX7s
but
>> had 12AX7As in them... same thing?
The 12AX7 is just the older version of the tube. The "A"
version was/is the improved type, which featured a better
warm-up cycle. Tube revisions/upgrades use A-B-C for
successive versions; the "C," BTW does not stand for
"case," despite what you may have seen here on AGA
lately.
LV
BenjaminF
>
> This Benjie fellow does NOT know how to read a simple listing in a
> simple tube manual do not trust him under any circumstances. He will
> lie to cover his inaccuracies and inadequacies.
discredit
another person.
> Back to business
>
> A 12AX7A can replace a 12AX7.
Reiterating what I said, your post was pointless.
> ROn
Good day Ron.
BenjaminF
>
> >Armitage wrote:
> >>
> >> Lord Valve: 12AX7 vs 12AX7A?
> >> What's the difference, I've bought amps that said they take 12AX7s
> but
> >> had 12AX7As in them... same thing?
>
> The 12AX7 is just the older version of the tube. The "A"
> version was/is the improved type, which featured a better
> warm-up cycle.
RCA #22 says nothing about an improved warm up cycle (is
that supposed to imply a faster warm up time?)
I notice you mention nothing about the improved plate current
/voltage capabilities or reduced hum/ noise specs either.
Please don't post about tubes unless you actually know
what you are talking about. Possessing piles of boxes of old tubes
does not a tube guru make. Get some manuals and read them.
> Tube revisions/upgrades use A-B-C for
> successive versions; the "C," BTW does not stand for
> "case," despite what you may have seen here on AGA
> lately.
According to RCA Manual #22 : C stands for Container ala 6L6GC - Glass
Container.
That C later came to stand for revision C is besides the point
and was the subject of an earlier thread in which another
person echoed my original statement, that the earliest incarnation of
the suffix GC refereed to Glass Container as opposed to metal can.
> LV
Stop trying to revise history LV.
Ron Bales
wrote:
If I am "staring" it is in amazement at your inability to realize just
how dense and uncomprehending you are known to be. Damn, I though Dan
Quayle running for President was the ultimate expression of a man not
knowing how he is perceived, but you have passed him on fucking
rollerblades.
> This Ron fellow feels no shame in lying like a cheap whore to attempt to
> discredit another person.
No lies necessary, Mopar didn't build Oldsmobiles (or supply them with
engines), a Marshall (unless it's a TOM marshall) won't make 180
watts. YOU are no expert on guitar amps. So you are a liar. Worse
than your ignorance ( a remediable condition) is your boastful and
thuggish attitude ("the art of war") that makes you immune to
learning.
>> Back to business
>>
>> A 12AX7A can replace a 12AX7.
>
> Reiterating what I said, your post was pointless.
Okay, so you got the right answer. You failed so miserably to extract
useful facts regarding the 6L6 from the same RC-22 that it is
important for others to know not to trust you. And that was the point
of my post, that you are dishonest and cannot be trusted. Why should
I post that important public safety message when you say something
that is completely obviously wrong - not much warning is needed then.
It is when you are plausible that people need reminded.
Now go crawl back under your log.
ROn
LarrySB
> According to RCA Manual #22 : C stands for Container ala 6L6GC - Glass
>Container.
> That C later came to stand for revision C is besides the point
> and was the subject of an earlier thread in which another
> person echoed my original statement, that the earliest incarnation of
> the suffix GC refereed to Glass Container as opposed to metal can.
STEP AWAY FROM TUBE MANUAL AND PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE.
Only an idiot on crack would stick by this bit of misinformation.
G = glass. C does not mean "container", despite what may might have been
published in RC-22, the Groove Tubes Book, or shown to you in a vision by an
angel of the apocalypse.
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Please note that your email is *not* spam in the subject line.
Ron Bales
>j...@mindspring.com, from an insane asylum far far away scrawled in human feces:
>> According to RCA Manual #22 : C stands for Container ala 6L6GC - Glass
>>Container.
>> That C later came to stand for revision C is besides the point
>> and was the subject of an earlier thread in which another
>> person echoed my original statement, that the earliest incarnation of
>> the suffix GC refereed to Glass Container as opposed to metal can.
>
>STEP AWAY FROM TUBE MANUAL AND PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE.
>
>Only an idiot on crack would stick by this bit of misinformation.
>
>G = glass. C does not mean "container", despite what may might have been
>published in RC-22, the Groove Tubes Book, or shown to you in a vision by an
>angel of the apocalypse.
I have in my hand, well I put it down to type this, a copy of RC-22
and it says nothing of "glass container" tubes. We'll have to blame
some other source for the poor creature's delusions.
ROn
BenjaminF
> No lies necessary, Mopar didn't build Oldsmobiles (or supply them with
> engines), a Marshall (unless it's a TOM marshall) won't make 180
> watts. YOU are no expert on guitar amps. So you are a liar.
Excuse me. I never said I was an expert at guitar amps.
You're correct, Oldsmobile is not a Mopar company.
I meant to say Dodge. Pardon me for suffering from lead poisoning.
> Worse
> than your ignorance ( a remediable condition) is your boastful and
> thuggish attitude ("the art of war") that makes you immune to
> learning.
Not at all. I have learned the art of war very well. ;)
> Okay, so you got the right answer. You failed so miserably to extract
> useful facts regarding the 6L6 from the same RC-22 that it is
> important for others to know not to trust you.
Not at all. If you're referring to the 'GC' question,
I am well aware that GC means revisions C, GB means
revision B etc. Whether or not a pre revision B
'GC' ever was manufactured (which more rightly should
have been stamped 'G') is a different thread.
> And that was the point
> of my post, that you are dishonest and cannot be trusted.
There is no substantiation for the claim I am dishonest.
I see it as dishonest on your part to discredit me as
a liar with no empirical facts to support your claim.
I have never *lied* in this forum.
I have offered my opinion on the sound of tubes to another musician,
and guess what? Most *musicians* agree with me that most of an
amps character comes from the type of tubes employed, i.e. 6L6 vs EL34
vs 6550. This is why musicians talk about changing an amp from 6550's
to EL34's to get more 'crunch' , right?
Or the preference some have for 6CA7's because they 'sing sweeter'.
These are totally subjective evaluations and where never offered
as fact.
> Why should
> I post that important public safety message when you say something
> that is completely obviously wrong
Which would be?
> - not much warning is needed then.
> It is when you are plausible that people need reminded.
Now there's a scary mentality. I suppose I should remind
everyone from now on that, while your posts seem plausible
they should keep in mind you are a liar who is not to be trusted.
> Now go crawl back under your log.
You see, you disqualify yourself as any kind of authority figure
when you resort to childish sentences like this. Is it necessary?
If you ARE an expert on the subject, you certainly don't need
to make use of any statements like the above to further your
points.
The whole reason I have reacted the way I have to LV and Tremolux
is because they apparently subscribe to a suspiciously low level
of conduct with regards to people they have disagreements with.
One of these days it's going to land them in a Federal court.
> ROn
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BenjaminF
>
> j...@mindspring.com, from an insane asylum far far away scrawled in human feces:
> > According to RCA Manual #22 : C stands for Container ala 6L6GC - Glass
> >Container.
> > That C later came to stand for revision C is besides the point
> > and was the subject of an earlier thread in which another
> > person echoed my original statement, that the earliest incarnation of
> > the suffix GC refereed to Glass Container as opposed to metal can.
>
> STEP AWAY FROM TUBE MANUAL AND PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE.
>
> Only an idiot on crack would stick by this bit of misinformation.
>
> G = glass. C does not mean "container", despite what may might have been
> published in RC-22, the Groove Tubes Book, or shown to you in a vision by an
> angel of the apocalypse.
Larry, I know that. This whole discussion has to do with whether
a pre 6L6-GB was produced that was labeled '6L6GC' instead of '6L6G'.
markel
BenjaminF <j...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3715EA3...@mindspring.com...
> Lord Valve wrote:
> >
> > >Armitage wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Lord Valve: 12AX7 vs 12AX7A?
> > >> What's the difference, I've bought amps that said they take 12AX7s
> > but
> > >> had 12AX7As in them... same thing?
> >
> > The 12AX7 is just the older version of the tube. The "A"
> > version was/is the improved type, which featured a better
> > warm-up cycle.
>
> RCA #22 says nothing about an improved warm up cycle (is
> that supposed to imply a faster warm up time?)
> I notice you mention nothing about the improved plate current
> /voltage capabilities or reduced hum/ noise specs either.
> Please don't post about tubes unless you actually know
> what you are talking about. Possessing piles of boxes of old tubes
> does not a tube guru make. Get some manuals and read them.
>
> > Tube revisions/upgrades use A-B-C for
> > successive versions; the "C," BTW does not stand for
> > "case," despite what you may have seen here on AGA
> > lately.
>
> Container.
> That C later came to stand for revision C is besides the point
> and was the subject of an earlier thread in which another
> person echoed my original statement, that the earliest incarnation of
> the suffix GC refereed to Glass Container as opposed to metal can.
>
LarrySB
>and it says nothing of "glass container" tubes. We'll have to blame
>some other source for the poor creature's delusions.
Well, maybe GC stands for "Glass Crackpipe."
leo...@nospam.net
Hey O Lord . . . . . do you know the official nomenclature for GT?
as in 6V6GT not as in Testerossa GT ? I know that one - Gran
Tourismo.... but my Dad says GT is Glass Tube but I think he's
pulling my leg... :)
>The 12AX7 is just the older version of the tube. The "A"
>version was/is the improved type, which featured a better
>warm-up cycle. Tube revisions/upgrades use A-B-C for
>successive versions; the "C," BTW does not stand for
>"case," despite what you may have seen here on AGA
>lately.
>
>LV
LarrySB
>
>as in 6V6GT not as in Testerossa GT ? I know that one - Gran
>Tourismo.... but my Dad says GT is Glass Tube but I think he's
>pulling my leg... :)
I don't speak for the Lord, but:
G = glass
T = T shape. (no shoulders on bulb)
The 6V6 was originally available in metal, then glass (6V6G), then
straight-sided glass (6V6GT).
Then came 6V6GTA, which as you might guess, is glass, no shoulders, A revision.
Of course, it might stand for Alabaster, we'll have to wait for an expert to
chime in on that one.
Lord Valve
>
>What are you pissed off at? Everything?
>BenjaminF <j...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:3715EA3...@mindspring.com...
Hemorrhoids? Of course, for Bozo, this would be
a skin disease...
LV
KEVIN DEAL / UPSCALE AUDIO
Armitage wrote in message <37148f1b...@news.cgocable.net>...
>Lord Valve: 12AX7 vs 12AX7A?
>What's the difference, I've bought amps that said they take 12AX7s
but
>had 12AX7As in them... same thing?
>
I would look typically at a 12AX7 over a 12AX7A for one simple reason.
In 12AX7 you have available:
Brimar, Mazda, Telefunken, Mullard, Amperex/NV Philips/Valvo, Siemens,
long plate G.E., and other cool stuff
In 12AX7A you have later production G.E. which were not as good as the
early large plate ones, Philips/Sylvania which are nothing special,
RCA's which are OK, , bullshit Mullards that were not actually made by
Mullard, Amperex which were anything including RFT or whatever
(sometimes Mullards), and all the crap that happened as the decline of
Western tube production occured.
This does not mean that you won't get something good in a
12AX7A....what it does mean is that it depends on that one singular
tube that is in your hand....and who REALLY made it...which many times
has little to do with the name or country of manufacture that is
printed on it.
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BenjaminF
>
> What are you pissed off at? Everything?
Not at all. Just defending myself from being called a 'liar'.
BenjaminF
> >news:3715EA3...@mindspring.com...
> (snip)
> Hemorrhoids? Of course, for Bozo, this would be
> a skin disease...
> LV
Figures you'd be anally fixated as well.
rjt
BenjaminF wrote:
>
> markel wrote:
> >
> > What are you pissed off at? Everything?
>
> Not at all. Just defending myself from being called a 'liar'.
>
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On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, BenjaminF wrote:
> Figures you'd be anally fixated as well.
>
> --
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Armitage
>
>>Armitage wrote:
>>>
>>> Lord Valve: 12AX7 vs 12AX7A?
>>> What's the difference, I've bought amps that said they take 12AX7s
>but
>>> had 12AX7As in them... same thing?
>
>The 12AX7 is just the older version of the tube. The "A"
>version was/is the improved type, which featured a better
>warm-up cycle. Tube revisions/upgrades use A-B-C for
>successive versions; the "C," BTW does not stand for
>"case," despite what you may have seen here on AGA
>lately.
>
>LV
So I can inter change them? Does it make a difference in a guitar amp?
Duncan Munro
(Armitage) wrote:
>>The 12AX7 is just the older version of the tube. The "A"
>>version was/is the improved type, which featured a better
>>warm-up cycle. Tube revisions/upgrades use A-B-C for
>>successive versions; the "C," BTW does not stand for
>>"case," despite what you may have seen here on AGA
>>lately.
>>
>>LV
>So I can inter change them?
Yes.
>Does it make a difference in a guitar amp?
No.
What LV didn't alluded is the warmup cycle, and AFAICR the A was a
controlled 11 second warmup for series string use in TV sets. Whether
there is an A or not, makes little difference in a guitar amp.
Different brands will make a more noticeable difference to your sound.
--
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Ned Carlson
> RCA #22 says nothing about an improved warm up cycle (is
> that supposed to imply a faster warm up time?)
> I notice you mention nothing about the improved plate current
> /voltage capabilities or reduced hum/ noise specs either.
> Please don't post about tubes unless you actually know
> what you are talking about. Possessing piles of boxes of old tubes
> does not a tube guru make. Get some manuals and read them.
He doesn't need a manual..in this case. Grab a US made
12AX7A and plug it into a Fender next to, say, a Yugo 12AX7.
The Yugo one makes a nice filament flash, the US made one won't.
> According to RCA Manual #22 : C stands for Container ala 6L6GC - Glass
> Container.
> That C later came to stand for revision C is besides the point
> and was the subject of an earlier thread in which another
> person echoed my original statement, that the earliest incarnation of
> the suffix GC refereed to Glass Container as opposed to metal can.
I have as many RCA tube manuals as your paw, Skip, plus Tungsol, Sylvania,
GE, Vade Mecum and the whole set of OEM RCA HB-3 loose manuals to boot.
None of them define "GC" as referring to "Glass Container".
Neither does your RC-22.
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Lord Valve
(Armitage) writes:
>
>On 15 Apr 1999 06:01:09 GMT, detr...@ix.netcom.com(Lord Valve) wrote:
>
>>
>>>Armitage wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Lord Valve: 12AX7 vs 12AX7A?
>>>> What's the difference, I've bought amps that said they take 12AX7s
>>but
>>>> had 12AX7As in them... same thing?
>>
>>version was/is the improved type, which featured a better
>>warm-up cycle. Tube revisions/upgrades use A-B-C for
>>successive versions; the "C," BTW does not stand for
>>"case," despite what you may have seen here on AGA
>>lately.
>>
>>LV
>
Lord Valve Speaketh:
Sure you can. Each 12AX7 (or 12AX7A/7025/ECC83, etc.) has its own
characteristic sound, which will vary with the manufacturer, the
time period in which the tube was made, and so on. There are
*very* many other tubes that can be used in any socket where a
12AX7 goes; among them are the 7025, ECC83, 5814, 6201, 5751,
12AT7, 12AU7, 12AY7, 6072A, and plenty of others. Each will
give different results; I have lots of customers who carry several
different types, and install them as needed for particular effects.
*You* are the final arbitrar of what you like; if you think your
amp sounds best with a 12AT7 in one of the 12AX7 spots, there's
no rule which says you can't put one there.
Lord Valve
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Nor does my RC-30. I've got the HB-3 binders, too, and one of the
coolest things about them is that every page has a date on the bottom,
so you know when the data were compiled. I got my set at a yard sale;
they were askin' $10, but I talked 'em down to $7. I *am*, after all,
a businessman...BTW, I don't think this sorry putz is Skippy. Skippy
may be confused (at least, below 20 KHz) but he's not malevolent. This
one's a nasty piece of work.
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notbob
>
> Lord Valve: 12AX7 vs 12AX7A?
> What's the difference, I've bought amps that said they take 12AX7s but
> had 12AX7As in them... same thing?
>
I thought it was the 7025 that made it "low noise", not the 7A. I have
GE 12AX7A 7025's in all my amps. The only thing I can really be sure
of concerning these tubes is that dealers have no resevations about
charging thru the nose for them........typically $32 ea. Yikes!
enjoy =D
nB
Ned Carlson
> Lord Valve Speaketh:
> Nor does my RC-30. I've got the HB-3 binders, too, and one of the
> coolest things about them is that every page has a date on the bottom,
> so you know when the data were compiled.
The bad thing is that RCA would tell the book owners to toss the
sheets for obsolete tubes...fortunately, I managed to find some
where the owners weren't too diligent about following RCA's advice.
I got my set at a yard sale;
> they were askin' $10, but I talked 'em down to $7. I *am*, after all,
> a businessman...BTW, I don't think this sorry putz is Skippy.
Me either, I tracerouted his news server as far as Atlanta, so I think he's
in the Southeast, somewhere. Long ways from Skippy's neighborhood.
Maybe he's that Devil Charlie Daniels was singin' about ;-)
BenjaminF
>
> Lord Valve wrote:
> > Lord Valve Speaketh:
> > Nor does my RC-30. I've got the HB-3 binders, too, and one of the
> > coolest things about them is that every page has a date on the bottom,
> > so you know when the data were compiled.
>
> The bad thing is that RCA would tell the book owners to toss the
> sheets for obsolete tubes...fortunately, I managed to find some
> where the owners weren't too diligent about following RCA's advice.
>
> I got my set at a yard sale;
> > they were askin' $10, but I talked 'em down to $7. I *am*, after all,
> > a businessman...BTW, I don't think this sorry putz is Skippy.
>
> Me either, I tracerouted his news server as far as Atlanta, so I think he's
> in the Southeast, somewhere. Long ways from Skippy's neighborhood.
> Maybe he's that Devil Charlie Daniels was singin' about ;-)
Now Ned. I'm kind of surprised at you. Why don't you just try
asking me where I'm located? I'd be glad to tell you.
I'm located at the Hells Angels headquarters on 3rd
street on the lower east side of manhattan.
Where else would you think I'd be.
Oh, and I do play a mean lead guitar but I can't play violin
for shit. Then again, with the violin like tone I get
from my axe, that would just be nit picking.
> --
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> Now Ned. I'm kind of surprised at you. Why don't you just try
> asking me where I'm located? I'd be glad to tell you.
> I'm located at the Hells Angels headquarters on 3rd
> street on the lower east side of manhattan.
> Where else would you think I'd be.
> Oh, and I do play a mean lead guitar but I can't play violin
> for shit. Then again, with the violin like tone I get
> from my axe, that would just be nit picking.
Golly,I'm attracting your attention just like
Tonehog2 and Skippy.Damn, I better lay off using that
traceroute utility.
Needless to say, if you use something besides lame stuff like
Windoze, Mindspring and Netscape, your posts would be much harder
to track.If I wanted to make anonymous posts you couldn't
track, I could.If you get weird responses you can't track...well
they might be from me. But maybe not.But maybe they are. Good luck.
BenjaminF
> Golly,I'm attracting your attention just like
> Tonehog2 and Skippy.Damn, I better lay off using that
> traceroute utility.
>
> Needless to say, if you use something besides lame stuff like
> Windoze, Mindspring and Netscape, your posts would be much harder
> to track.
Not sure I'm reading you here. I use Linux (recently updated
to 2.2.5). Netscape is about the only viable nntp client on X
for *nix right now. I don't much like slrn or tin etc.
I'd find it hard to call mindspring lame, considering they have
one of the best news servers going and I almost always get
48 k or up connects. Admittedly, my own uunet DS3 would be
better.
As for win9X, it's really not that bad if you know how to
set it up and it rocks when it comes to available software
(like Cake 8 , VST 3.65, DX plugins, Soundforge, Wavelab, Retro-AS1 etc)
> If I wanted to make anonymous posts you couldn't
> track, I could.If you get weird responses you can't track...well
> they might be from me. But maybe not.But maybe they are. Good luck.
I don't recall mentioning anything about making anonymous posts.
Still not sure what the tangent you're taking here
is really about, but ok.
John Stanley
Ned Carlson <postm...@triodeel.com> wrote in message
news:37198E17...@triodeel.com...
> BenjaminF wrote:
> > Now Ned. I'm kind of surprised at you. Why don't you just try
> > asking me where I'm located? I'd be glad to tell you.
> > I'm located at the Hells Angels headquarters on 3rd
> > street on the lower east side of manhattan.
> > Where else would you think I'd be.
> > Oh, and I do play a mean lead guitar but I can't play violin
> > for shit. Then again, with the violin like tone I get
> > from my axe, that would just be nit picking.
>
>
> Tonehog2 and Skippy.Damn, I better lay off using that
> traceroute utility.
>
> Needless to say, if you use something besides lame stuff like
> Windoze, Mindspring and Netscape, your posts would be much harder
> track, I could.If you get weird responses you can't track...well
> they might be from me. But maybe not.But maybe they are. Good luck.
>
>
>
I read about you in a Tom Clancy book.......
Ned Carlson
> Not sure I'm reading you here. I use Linux (recently updated
> to 2.2.5).
The header says you're posting with Win 95 & Netscape.
BenjaminF
>
> BenjaminF wrote:
> > Not sure I'm reading you here. I use Linux (recently updated
> > to 2.2.5).
>
> The header says you're posting with Win 95 & Netscape.
And indeed I am. I use good ole lilo to select 2.0.35, 2.1.112,
2.2.5, solaris, freebsd, open bsd, ms dog.
If I boot ms dog I get my win NT or win 95 menu.
I spend most of my online time in win 95 since
I like to keep all my logs/posts etc in one place.
I have gravity and forte on here as well as ms outlook
but to be honest, I like gnutscrapes newsreader,
my only beef with it is it doesn't handle multi
part attachments correctly.
Btw, you may be interested to know I started running
slack .99 on a 486sx25 back in late 94, eventually
went on to contribute to both the kernel code (tcp
ip stack tweaks) and the open source community in
general. Right now I'm a member of the Xfree consortium
and a very vocal proponent of incorporating true type
font support in the next major release. Let's hope
we get it soon.
rjt
KEVIN DEAL / UPSCALE AUDIO
>
>I thought it was the 7025 that made it "low noise", not the 7A. I
have
>GE 12AX7A 7025's in all my amps. The only thing I can really be sure
>of concerning these tubes is that dealers have no resevations about
>charging thru the nose for them........typically $32 ea. Yikes!
>
I have a bunch of 7025's that test like sh*t for noise. Hence my
point that it depends on the individual tube for than what's marked.
I would take the first version G.E. 12AX7 with large plates and put it
up against Sylvania, G.E., and RCA 7025's for noise and hum any day.
LarrySB
>early large plate ones, Philips/Sylvania which are nothing special,
>RCA's which are OK,
I gotta disagree with you Kevin.
I have some new old-stock RCA 12AX7A from the 1960's that absolutely kill in
guitar amps, black and silver face Fenders in particular.
I have an early 60's GE12AX7 that I bought from you, which is real good, and
every bit as good as you said it was.
I gotta say though, I'm running the RCA's and they just bring out the best in
the black/silver face preamp circuit.
I will note that I am selling a few of the RCA's, so you could say I'm biased
towards them for economic reasons.
If you look in my amps though, you'll find the RCA 12AX7A's in it.
I have plenty of Sylvania 12AX7A from the 1960's. They are pre-Phillips ECG.
I'm not as impressed with those. Good tube, with more gain than most. Just not
all that tasty in the Fender amps.
I got plenty of the Sylvanias to sell.
KEVIN DEAL / UPSCALE AUDIO
LarrySB wrote in message
<19990420222543...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
>>In 12AX7A you have later production G.E. which were not as good as
the
>>early large plate ones, Philips/Sylvania which are nothing special,
>>RCA's which are OK,
>
>I gotta disagree with you Kevin.
>
>I have some new old-stock RCA 12AX7A from the 1960's that absolutely
kill in
>guitar amps, black and silver face Fenders in particular.
>
>I have an early 60's GE12AX7 that I bought from you, which is real
good, and
>every bit as good as you said it was.
>
My point is it has nothing to do with it being an "A" or not. I would
prefer a Mazda, Brimar, Mullard, or Telefunken to any of the
above....and none of them are "A" typically.
People should not make a buying deceision based on that. Just like
some of the crappy 7025's that float around. I have some later
Sylvania 7025's that are factory fresh dog sh*t...and one local guy
who keeps calling me for them.
I try to tell him that they aren't quiet. And he's putting it in an
amp that he ahd built and the builder told him to use 7025's...so he's
stuck on that and doesn't know better. But I know that if I sell them
then it will be a hassle because he won't be happy.
LarrySB
>prefer a Mazda, Brimar, Mullard, or Telefunken to any of the
>above....and none of them are "A" typically.
All of the above are good tubes - typically though, being of european origin,
those are marked ECC83, right?
In the american 12AX7 vs. 12AX7A, the "A" version often has different
construction than the non-A X7 version.
This is true for the GE and RCA types. The GE AX7 has the longer plates, the
AX7A has a smaller plate structure, which it shares with the GE 5751. (the 5751
gets double thick micas too).
The RCA 12AX7A also has different construction than the RCA 12AX7. The RCA
12AX7A I have are quite good, exhibiting very, very good microphonic
characteristics.
Actually, there's no problem using 12Ax7 instead of 12AX7A, or 7025
interchangeably. In theory, the 7025 is *supposed* to be a special tube, often
though it isn't.
KEVIN DEAL / UPSCALE AUDIO
LarrySB wrote in message
<19990421151104...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>>My point is it has nothing to do with it being an "A" or not. I
would
>>prefer a Mazda, Brimar, Mullard, or Telefunken to any of the
>>above....and none of them are "A" typically.
>
>All of the above are good tubes - typically though, being of european
origin,
>those are marked ECC83, right?
They are dual marked typically if they were imported to the U.S.
>
>In the american 12AX7 vs. 12AX7A, the "A" version often has different
>construction than the non-A X7 version.
>
>This is true for the GE and RCA types. The GE AX7 has the longer
plates, the
>AX7A has a smaller plate structure, which it shares with the GE 5751.
(the 5751
>gets double thick micas too).
My point is it has nothing to do with performance. Later production
stuff can be just fine. In some cases the earlier stuff is better. I
would take an early G.E. large plate over any RCA 12AX7 any day,
sonically. And test wise.
But it still depends on that one tube in your hand. Just that one.
LarrySB
>would take an early G.E. large plate over any RCA 12AX7 any day,
>sonically. And test wise.
Well, that's where I'd disagree with you. The GE's are fine, but I gotta say I
like the RCA in the Fender amps much better. They just sound sweeter, more
colorful. The GE's are good, but to my ear they are more neutral. That
probably makes them a better choice in hifi app's.
Richard S. McCown
and Guitar amp considerations. I know what tubes Larry has,1967 in a
wierd JAN box w/paper wrap on tube. I got them from the same guy last
time he had them. They are really nice. For the "warm fuzzies" in guitar
amps, RCA 12AX7's are tough to beat. I think I have an old GE
somewhere, I'll have to open the box and see if I'm lucky! I'll have to
check out how they a/b against black plate RCA's, if I have a strong one
in one of my boxes of tubes catagorized under a different system every
time I move the boxes; valueable tubes, used tubes, usefull tubes,
preamp tubes, tubes for amps I have, power tubes, near 6L6 tubes, sweep
tubes, tubes I don't remember, tubes left over after "if I go to bed now
I can get two and a half hours sleep before work"
''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
LarrySB
> Hello Kevin and Larry, I guess you have to switch hats between HiFi
>and Guitar amp considerations. I know what tubes Larry has,1967 in a
>wierd JAN box w/paper wrap on tube. I got them from the same guy last
>time he had them. They are really nice. For the "warm fuzzies" in guitar
>amps, RCA 12AX7's are tough to beat.
Hah! So you got the rest of those! I saw the box, opened a few, bought the
whole lot.
I wound up with half RCA and and half Sylvania.
I'm not saying Kevin is wrong; He's a very helpful individual and a reputable
source for tubes, particularly unusual, exotic and quality types.
I just have a difference of opinion with him on the RCA vs. GE, in the
particular application in BF and SF era Fender amps.
If we were talking certain Tweed Fenders, I might be persuaded to go GE.
I don't think you can go wrong with either type.
KEVIN DEAL / UPSCALE AUDIO
LarrySB wrote in message
<19990424190714...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>P-...@webtv.net wrote:
>> Hello Kevin and Larry, I guess you have to switch hats between
HiFi
>>and Guitar amp considerations. I know what tubes Larry has,1967 in
a
>>wierd JAN box w/paper wrap on tube. I got them from the same guy
last
>>time he had them. They are really nice. For the "warm fuzzies" in
guitar
>>amps, RCA 12AX7's are tough to beat.
>
>I'm not saying Kevin is wrong; He's a very helpful individual and a
reputable
>source for tubes, particularly unusual, exotic and quality types.
>
>I just have a difference of opinion with him on the RCA vs. GE, in
the
>particular application in BF and SF era Fender amps.
>
>If we were talking certain Tweed Fenders, I might be persuaded to go
GE.
>
Naw...I could be wrong...because there's no such thing as the best. I
wanted to make a point that different vintages do sound different..
Like I don't hear any difference between ribbed and smooth plate
Telefunkens...they sound the same to me.
Sylvania is probably the best example. Like the 6SN7 which changed a
few times over the years...and sound nothing like each other.
Sylvania, and GE 5751's sure did vary with vintage. On the 12AX7 in
question...the large plate G.E. sounds much better than the later ones
in every application I've heard them in. And in fact sound really
good period, with a very lpow noise floor and low hum.