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Baldwin Amp - anyone know?

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SashaZand

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Apr 18, 2001, 10:42:38 AM4/18/01
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Hi,

I've come across a very large amp made my Baldwin. It's larger than a Vox AC30
and also very heavy. It's in a friend's studio.

Does anyone have information about it. I believe it's an amp for keyboards.

Thanks.

Bill Kahle

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Apr 18, 2001, 10:58:07 AM4/18/01
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Turn and run away from it...
very fast.

:-)
-Bill

Mike Schway

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Apr 18, 2001, 11:29:39 AM4/18/01
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In article <20010418104238...@ng-mk1.aol.com>,
sash...@aol.com (SashaZand) wrote:

If it's the model I'm thinking of, believe it or not, I've serviced a
half-dozen in the past year alone. A guy in town is an AVID Willie
Nelson fan and snatched up as many of these as he could find. It's
Willie's favorite amp and supposedly works especially well with the
Baldwin acoustic guitar contact mic. My guess is that it's best used as
an accordion amp, though I suppose other KBs would work ok too. May be
ok for jazz guitar, but there are LOTS of other more attractive
solutions out there for jazz. NOT a rocker!!

The model I saw was the "Custom Professional". It's a c.100W solid state
combo from the late 60s/early 70s (I think) with 2-12" 4 ohm speakers (2
ohm total load!!). Some of them had black laminate side panels, some
were blue. The later ones had a small lightbulb in series with the
speakers to act as a dynamic current limiter (despite this description,
it's actually an elegant solution).

The amp has a row of 5 push buttons (a bit like an old-style automotive
AM radio) to select a wacky EQ, something Baldwin called "SuperSound"
(bass, mid1, mid2, mix and treble). There's a 3 position toggle switch
to select between the "super sound" mode, a more conventional
bass/mid/treble rotary EQ, or a mix of both.

Tremolo is lush and liquid, reverb is tinny, "boingy" and overpowering.
Makes a Silvertone's reverb sound great by comparison.

They sound, I guess OK compared to other clean SS combos of their time.
Don't try to overdrive it!!

Is this the model you saw?

--Mike Schway

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darrell

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Apr 18, 2001, 1:20:43 PM4/18/01
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Mike Schway <msc...@nas.com> wrote in

>May be ok for jazz guitar, but there are LOTS of other more attractive
> solutions out there for jazz. NOT a rocker!!

Doesn't/didn't Neil Young play thru one?

darrell

JPM

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Apr 18, 2001, 3:55:24 PM4/18/01
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In article <3YhD6.25553$RF1.2...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bill Kahle" <bka...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I second that emotion - Jimmy

Bob M

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Apr 19, 2001, 12:17:41 AM4/19/01
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Baldwin....wasn't boofing Darrell Hana?
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Sean McClintock

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Apr 19, 2001, 3:27:29 PM4/19/01
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yes, neil still hauls around his almost refrigerator sized Baldwin, I forget
what the model is called, but is has, I think, four pastel colored buttons
on the top that are tone presets. I do know that he only uses it for stage
volume, it is not miked to the P.A. He gets his sounds from a 5E3 Deluxe and
a 5E9 Tremolux (both loaded with Jensen C12Ns), and a stand alone Fender
spring reverb. A mix of those amps is then reduced to instrument level and
fed into the Baldwin for "size". Neil also, IMO, has the coolest pedalboard
in the world. One of his techs built him this rig that includes servo motors
that mount on the pots of the amplifiers. when he stomps on a preset, it
changes the settings of the amplifiers! he doesn't use any effects boxes
(just that reverb), and, of course, plays the same old black Les Paul with
P90s and a Bigsby that he's played for 30-some years.

Sean McClintock

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SashaZand

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Apr 20, 2001, 10:46:58 AM4/20/01
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Hi,

Thanks for the comments and help.

Mike, it's at the studio and I'll need to get a better look at it. It's big
alright and blue.

I'll have a listen and see what it does. See if that light function does its
thing.

Best.

S.

Mike Schway

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Apr 20, 2001, 11:22:32 AM4/20/01
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You don't see the lamp. It's tucked inside the chassis. Besides, it
doesn't really glow, just changes its resistance roughly proportional to
current flow.

Wouldn't you know it, but the guy in town who has a bunch of 'em brought
**3** of them into the shop yesterday!! Two of them I've already seen,
but the 3rd is a new acquisition. That makes about 7 this guy has (one
is a bit smaller 1-12 combo)

I had a good talk with him about the Baldwin guitar system. Apparently
the amp (Custom Professional) really is designed as a guitar amp, not an
accordion or KB amp. The classic guitar contact mic system involves a
proprietary preamp box which ONLY works with the Baldwin amp...one more
reason why SERIOUS Willie freaks need this amp. The input jack is a TRS
variety with the ring supplying a small DC voltage. Due to the DC
potential at the jack, you HAVE to turn down whenever you plug/unplug
into the amp or you'll hear an enormous pop.

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sash...@aol.com (SashaZand) wrote:

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DBrophy479

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Apr 20, 2001, 5:56:35 PM4/20/01
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Mike Schway wrote:

>You don't see the lamp. It's tucked inside the chassis. Besides, it
>doesn't really glow, just changes its resistance roughly proportional to
>current flow.
>
>Wouldn't you know it, but the guy in town who has a bunch of 'em brought
>**3** of them into the shop yesterday!! Two of them I've already seen,
>but the 3rd is a new acquisition. That makes about 7 this guy has (one
>is a bit smaller 1-12 combo)

Does this guy collect the same kind of golf clubs and bandanas that Willie
uses too?
Yeah,I was gonna say they were guitar amps.Guitar player in my first band had
one,in 1966.I remember them being sold at a piano store that carried Baldwin
pianos,and I guess this was when Baldwin owned Vox,becasue they also carried
Vox combo organs and amps.The Baldwin amps were cheaper.
This guy played a Burns Bison guitar,which I think he bought at the same store
as the amp.
When his older brother went off to college,he got his hand-me-down Pro
Reverb.That was the first time I became aware of what a difference an amplifier
could make.

Kent Pearson

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Apr 19, 2001, 9:51:23 PM4/19/01
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On 20-Apr-2001, dbrop...@aol.com (DBrophy479) wrote:

> I guess this was when Baldwin owned Vox,becasue they also carried
> Vox combo organs and amps.The Baldwin amps were cheaper.
> This guy played a Burns Bison guitar,which I think he bought at the same
> store
> as the amp.

Vox was NEVER owned by Baldwin, either in the US or the UK. Whoever told
you that was yankin' your ankle big time. The Bison guitars were WAY cool
BTW, especially the original four pickup Black Bison model with the batwing
headstock.

~kp

Kent Pearson

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Apr 19, 2001, 9:59:54 PM4/19/01
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Baldwin DID buy Burns of London in 1965, and later Gretsch. That's why you
see the Burns Mk 9 tailpiece on a few of the Gretsch guitars, such as the
Corvette.

~ kp

Miles O'Neal

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Apr 21, 2001, 3:12:23 AM4/21/01
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Kent Pearson
>.. The Bison guitars were WAY cool

> BTW, especially the original four pickup Black Bison model with the batwing
> headstock.

I want one of those!

Kent Pearson

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Apr 19, 2001, 11:55:15 PM4/19/01
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The original (1961-1962) Black Bison Bison is extremely rare. According to
Burns employee Jack Golder and Paul Day's Burns Book, only 49 of these were
made, the fiftieth ended up as a coffee table!

The next version of the Burns Black Bison (1962-1964), which I think might
be the coolest, was the three pickup (Burns "Ultrasonic" type) model. It had
the 4-way selector switch that included the famous "Wild Dog" position, wild
huge horns that actually sloped forward, away from the body of the player,
as steer horns, black pickguard on a black body, bound ebony fretboard and
batwing headstock. That one, cool beyond belief, was supposed made in
fairly good numbers. But try to find one today, especially in this country!
(good luck)

Next came the rev (1964-1965) that one would be most likely to spot,
although still not common. It's the one that came in either black or white
and had the split scratchplate that covered the upper horn as well as the
lower horn and center of body in three split sections. The pickups were
changed to the Burns "Rez-o-matic" type, fingerboard changed to rosewood and
the headstock changed from batwing to scroll type. The controls changed to
a configuration I don't understand, namely 1 volume, 2 tone (fine so far)
and TWO three-way Fender-style selector switches.

All of these, as well as any other Burns model, are very distinctive and
unusual guitars. The quality on most Burns guitars, with exceptions, was
high. They were also hand made, so no two were "EXACTLY" alike, until
Baldwin bought them out in '65. They're a far cry from the mass produced
commercial crap-ola that's found everwhere but Wal-Mart's aisles (so far,
that is).

Myself, I've owned a Baldwin-era Bison bass, a Burns "Jazz Split-Sound"
guitar, a Burns "Virginian" acoustic electric, and two Burns "Double Six"
electric 12-strings, one of which I still have today. This guitar was used
by The Searchers and The Hollies, among other lesser known British bands of
the '60's.

~ kp

greg z

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Apr 22, 2001, 8:05:29 PM4/22/01
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Still got my split-sound jazz guitar,
play it daily.

Greg z
to thine own sound be true

Brian McElrath

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Apr 18, 2001, 9:35:16 PM4/18/01
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I have a solid state Baldwin Bass amp that is vaguely similar. There is zero info
on the net about them. Mine works perfectly but would be better off as a coffee
table. Lord Valve offered me 18 cents for it. He is still the high bidder.
Brian

Miles O'Neal

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Apr 25, 2001, 12:48:38 AM4/25/01
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Brian McElrath wrote:
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> I have a solid state Baldwin Bass amp that is vaguely similar. There is zero info
> on the net about them. Mine works perfectly but would be better off as a coffee
> table. Lord Valve offered me 18 cents for it. He is still the high bidder.

I'll bid a quarter - including shipping.

chand...@gmail.com

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Aug 11, 2016, 7:33:03 AM8/11/16
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Any info will be greatly appreciated

chand...@gmail.com

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Aug 11, 2016, 7:33:05 AM8/11/16
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Lord Valve

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Aug 11, 2016, 9:52:03 AM8/11/16
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On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 5:33:05 AM UTC-6, chand...@gmail.com wrote:
> Any info will be greatly appreciated

Here's your info:

You just responded to a thread that's FIFTEEN YEARS OLD.
No-one gives a shit, or is ever likely to.

yrsd...@gmail.com

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Dec 15, 2017, 9:03:32 PM12/15/17
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How tall is it? Is tapered ? Or straight walled all around? Is The amp built-in? What is the speaker sizes.

Lord Valve

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Dec 15, 2017, 9:13:15 PM12/15/17
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On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 7:03:32 PM UTC-7, yrsd...@gmail.com wrote:
> How tall is it? Is tapered ? Or straight walled all around? Is The amp built-in? What is the speaker sizes.

Here's your info:

You just responded to a thread that's over SIXTEEN
YEARS OLD. No-one gives a shit, or is ever likely to.

Lord Valve, ThD
Expert (fuck you)
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