Bill Lawrence pickup question
Count Scrofula
thinking of wanting more of a single coil sound on my guild starfire 4 (335
like semi-hollow). I'm considering the Lawrence L-490's as a P-90 sounding
pickup that drops into a humbucker hole.
Anyone out there with any experiemce with the Lawrence L-490's? All input
welcomed, especially if you've seen/heard/put them on a hollow/semi-hollow
guitar.
thanks
Bruce Morgen
My only experience is with
the bridge position of my
"Reverse Fat Tele"
partscaster. That said,
it's an outstanding
pickup in that guitar,
P-90ish but not as harsh,
some resemblance to a
Jazzmaster pickup too.
I'd have a chat with
Becky about putting them
in a Starfire, though --
a Guild semi-hollow is
a very different beast
from a Tele with a dense
alder Fender body and an
all-maple neck!
Steve Barnes
These are P90s that fit a hummer slot. I've had Rio P90s before and
liked
them very much, they were the soapbars. I have more than once considered
The Bastards for my Epi. Dot 335. I'm real happy with the Razor HBs that
are in there now, so I haven't made the change.
Also the Rios came be had with nickel covers as an option to keep a
stock appearance.
My .02!
Steve
El Fugaz
for her recommendations based on your sound requirements. Based on my
requirements (versatile from clean to hard-rock crunch), she recommended an
L-450 on neck and an L-465 for the bridge for my Hamer Echotone (another 335
clone). Also, check the following forum dedicated to discuss all Bill
Lawrence's pickups:
http://pub123.ezboard.com/fguitarsbyfenderfrm8
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Bill.E
Design's 'bucker-sized single coils (Z-90s, I think). I heard them in an
Ibanez AS-200 about 4 months ago and was floored! They sounded like the
baddest p-90s I've ever heard, but with more sparkle, and a hint of 50s
ES-175 woodiness in the neck position when played clean. I was most
impressed.
Bill
--
- Time... just one damn thing after another.
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Bruce Morgen
probably looking for something
noiseless -- HD pickups hum.
Count Scrofula
for some P-90 spanky sound in a pup that will drop into a humbucker route.
I don't want to be cutting on the wood.
I've heard nothing but good things about both the Lawrences and the Z-90's,
but if they are both very P-90ish (with their own personality, to be sure)
the BL's are half the price. I'm leaning towards trying the BL's, but just
wanted as much feedback from other users as possible before making the
switch. If the HD's or some other pup is that much better, or if the BL's
simply don't work that well in a semihollow, I'd love to hear about it.
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Tony Hwang
Kent Armstrong has Noiseless P90s. I replaced Gibson P90s with this.
Worth checking into.
Tony
Bruce Morgen
I have no idea why HDs are so
pricey, but I suspect they
might be somewhat closer to
traditional P-90 rawness than
the L-490, which pretty much
everyone says is more refined
and less edgy. Another factor
to consider regarding HD:
<http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.html?db=&topic_number=207382&lastpost=2002-07-3112:16:07>
BL's still got a multi-week
lead time, but HD's borders
on the ridiculous!
Tony Hwang
Speaking of HD, I have a HB set which I installed on my '79 LP
Custom. My order took about 5 weeks. If I remember
right, HD HB pick up came out at the top on HB shoot out by guitar
mag. It was even rated better than real ORIGINAL Gibson '57 one.
I don't like noisy pick up.
Tony
Bruce Morgen
Well, imo the PAF is an
overrated pickup, so I'm
not surprised Scott's
'bucker came out on top!
You're right, HD 'buckers
are as quiet as anybody
elses, it's his Strat and
Tele stuff that hums.
Tony Hwang
I have 4 Gibson guitars, two SG, two LP.
None has original Pups. The Kent Armstrong P90 I mentioned
earlier does not hum. I have a set of Kinmans in my G&L S-500.
It does not hum.
Tony
RonSonic
<bre...@axsbestosjuxstice.com> wrote:
>Noiseless is always nice, but low noise is fine. I'm really just looking
>for some P-90 spanky sound in a pup that will drop into a humbucker route.
>I don't want to be cutting on the wood.
I've had P90s all my guitar playing life, I always have P90s. I've got
Rio Grande Bastards in humbucker sized holes in my Hamer Studio. Those
are very good P90's. I've got the Fat Bastard in the bridge. It is
definitely overwound, but not ridiculous or muddy - still it may not
be what you're looking for. But the standard Bastard is an excellent
rendition of the classic P90, and should do well for you.
If anything distinguishes it from an actual p90, and it's a little
hard to A/B test it given the different guitars, these seem a little
clearer sounding. Still throaty, but no phlegm. (how's that for a
gross analogy)
Unfortunately, I can't compare these at all to the pickups you're
considering. (Oh, these are not "noiseless" or even "low noise"
they're just P90 clones.... kinda noisy)
Ron
Bunker
I think Rio Grande now has a noiseless P-90, called the hushbar
Mark
They blow away the SDs that were in there. I think the only difference is
the Z-90 will drop into a humbucker slot and VP90 is P90 size. It takes
about 6 weeks to get them.
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Steve Barnes
different LPs.
One was a 79 Deluxe Goldtop and the other a 98 LP Special SL.
Those pickups sounded good to me. If I ever get another P90 Rios will
be in there post haste.
Steve
Paul Saulino
The L490 humbucker sized P90 replacement is a *great* sounding pickup, it has
the P90 vibe and is completely noise-free. It has the output of the P90 but
with less "rasp" or "crang". If that is what you are looking for, then a
straight single is a must. Harmonic Design is supposed to be the best in that
realm (V90).
I have several models of Bill's pickups, L280s (both Tele and Strat), L290s
(both Tele and Strat), L450, and L500XL. I also have a Q-Filter I have yet to
try out. Have not tried the Harmonic Design though.
The BEST part about the Lawrence PUs vs. *all* of the others is that they are
cheap - like under 50 bucks. For that alone, you should try them. Plus, the
Lawrence family is just great to deal with. Real nice people, pleasant, honest
and straight forward.
Unlike some people.
Best regards,
Paul
Rich Koerner
Hey Count, let me ask you something about that Starfire IV.
Is it one of the new Guilds, or is it an oldie!!!!!!!!
Regards,
Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com
Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers
Count Scrofula
Rich Koerner <ri...@timeelect.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Count Scrofula wrote:
> >
> > I've heard the 280's and have a set of old 500's in one guitar, but I'm
> > thinking of wanting more of a single coil sound on my guild starfire 4
(335
> > like semi-hollow). I'm considering the Lawrence L-490's as a P-90
sounding
> > pickup that drops into a humbucker hole.
> >
> > Anyone out there with any experiemce with the Lawrence L-490's? All
input
> > welcomed, especially if you've seen/heard/put them on a
hollow/semi-hollow
> > guitar.
> >
> > thanks
>
> Hey Count, let me ask you something about that Starfire IV.
>
> Is it one of the new Guilds, or is it an oldie!!!!!!!!
>
>
Semi-oldie. It's a '77, nice stripey sepale mahogany with a natural finish.
It's actually a -D model, so it has the factory optional DiMarzios, which
aren't terrible, but will end up transferred to a solid body guitar (a guild
s-300A-D which has had it's diMarzio's replaced...I like those pups better
on a solid guitar). The only thing I don't like about the starfire is the
adjust-o-matic roller bridge, but it's easy to put a t-o-m on there. The
73-80 SF-4's are extra nice because they picked up a couple of features
after guild discontinued the SF-V, like the block inlays and master volume
pot.
I'm a big fan of Guilds...great bang for the buck and one of the few good
values left in MIA older guitars. You can really get some unbelieveably
good deals on some of the ugly pointy guitars and basses from the
'80's...great sound, playability and quality as long as you can tolerate
strange angles, curves, points and finishes. I've got a bubblegum pink 1984
Guild Aviator...setneck superstrat style American guitar, light, plays like
butter...paid $203 including the OHSC. the color is ugly, but there is
nothing around for $200 that can come close to it. Sort of the opposite of
a polished turd! Maybe my daughter will get it when she gets older...
Rich Koerner
Me Too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The old ones.
> great bang for the buck and one of the few good
> values left in MIA older guitars. You can really get some unbelieveably
> good deals on some of the ugly pointy guitars and basses from the
> '80's...great sound, playability and quality as long as you can tolerate
> strange angles, curves, points and finishes. I've got a bubblegum pink 1984
> Guild Aviator...setneck superstrat style American guitar, light, plays like
> butter...paid $203 including the OHSC. the color is ugly, but there is
> nothing around for $200 that can come close to it. Sort of the opposite of
> a polished turd! Maybe my daughter will get it when she gets older...
Count, check this picture out.
http://timeelect.com/g-mod01.htm
These are the greatest pick ups of all time.
I wish you have those!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those were the first proto types I had gotten from Aaron Newman when he
was working on them for Guild way back when the shit was the shit.
I had hoped you had the first generation of those pick ups in your
guitar.
Count Scrofula
>
>
> Count Scrofula wrote:
> >
> > Rich Koerner <ri...@timeelect.com> wrote in message
> > news:3D4B8289...@timeelect.com...
> >
> > I'm a big fan of Guilds...
>
> Me Too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> The old ones.
>
> > great bang for the buck and one of the few good
> > values left in MIA older guitars. You can really get some unbelieveably
> > good deals on some of the ugly pointy guitars and basses from the
> > '80's...great sound, playability and quality as long as you can tolerate
> > strange angles, curves, points and finishes. I've got a bubblegum pink
1984
> > Guild Aviator...setneck superstrat style American guitar, light, plays
like
> > butter...paid $203 including the OHSC. the color is ugly, but there is
> > nothing around for $200 that can come close to it. Sort of the
opposite of
> > a polished turd! Maybe my daughter will get it when she gets older...
>
> Count, check this picture out.
>
> http://timeelect.com/g-mod01.htm
>
> These are the greatest pick ups of all time.
>
> I wish you have those!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Those were the first proto types I had gotten from Aaron Newman when he
> was working on them for Guild way back when the shit was the shit.
>
> I had hoped you had the first generation of those pick ups in your
> guitar.
>
Those small humbuckers are amazing. I don't own a guitar with the small
buckers (yet)...they are considerably sweeter than the larger HB-1 pickups
used from the late '60's on. I'll have some someday. I also like the older
P-90 style pickups and the DeArmonds that preceded the small humbuckers.
I understand Newman's company made some of the Guild amps back in the early
'60's...now those are some peculiar designs!
Rich Koerner
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...............................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These look like the ones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://timeelect.com/4$ale/4$ale-TE45.htm
If so, give me a call tomorrow late afternoon!!!!
at 908-353-0933
Yeah, I know it's Sunday!!!!
Have to do it.
I'll be in the shop.