JBL guitar amp speakers: still available?
mateo
very ominous looking JBL speaker. Really, really liked the way it sounded. I
want to buy this speaker (or one that sounds just like it) to replace the
aluminum-sounding bullshit that's in there.
But my search of the JBL website didn't turn up anything. Do they still make
guitar amp speakers?
(sorry--I don't know what model it was)
Cheers
JM/CO
musical instrument speakers. There are plenty out there however. Did you
happen to look for the model number ? It's on the rear of the magnet on a
label. Could be a D-130 or D-140 ( 2 of their more well known models ) Check
places that sell used audio gear.
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Mark
instrument speakers. There are plenty out there however. Did you happen to look
for the model number ? It's on the rear of the magnet on a label. Could be a
Those are 15's, he was asking about 12's. And JBL has been a part of Harman
International for nearly 30 years.
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jeff caruso
week...http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=235810282
..in my opinion,the best one they make....I still have 2 of them....would never
part with them....they can be found,though,and I also know they sound awesome in
a deluxe reverb .....ps....it went for a low price too....I was gonna buy it but
shipping was to much.....jeff
Rich Koerner
JM/CO wrote:
>
> JBL is now apart of Harmon Industries, and no longer makes those nice
> musical instrument speakers. There are plenty out there however. Did you
> happen to look for the model number ? It's on the rear of the magnet on a
> label. Could be a D-130 or D-140 ( 2 of their more well known models ) Check
> places that sell used audio gear.
For those in the News Group too young to know the history, the D-120 and
D-130 found their way into Guitar amplifiers while they were still used
as Hi-fi Stereo speakers.
BTW, hip players were doing that around 1964 or 65.
It was later the "F" was added to the model number to note them as being
useful for such.
Regards,
Rich Koerner,
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Harvey Gerst
>
>
>JM/CO wrote:
>>
>> JBL is now apart of Harmon Industries, and no longer makes those nice
>> musical instrument speakers. There are plenty out there however. Did you
>> happen to look for the model number ? It's on the rear of the magnet on a
>> label. Could be a D-130 or D-140 ( 2 of their more well known models ) Check
>> places that sell used audio gear.
>
>For those in the News Group too young to know the history, the D-120 and
>D-130 found their way into Guitar amplifiers while they were still used
>as Hi-fi Stereo speakers.
>BTW, hip players were doing that around 1964 or 65.
>
>It was later the "F" was added to the model number to note them as being
>useful for such.
Almost, Rich
The D130 and D131 (12" version of the D130) WERE being used, but not holding
up too well. I redesigned them, added the D110F and the D140F to the line
(both new speakers, designed specifically for guitar and electric bass),
changed the model number of the redesigned D131 to D120F, and the new,
improved version of the D130 became the D130F.
Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/
Harvey Gerst
>>The D130 and D131 (12" version of the D130) WERE being used, but not holding
>>up too well. I redesigned them, added the D110F and the D140F to the line
>>(both new speakers, designed specifically for guitar and electric bass),
>>changed the model number of the redesigned D131 to D120F, and the new,
>>improved version of the D130 became the D130F.
>>
>>Harvey Gerst
>
>Harvey, didn't those "improvements" include making the voice coil gaps wider so
>the things wouldn't rub if the speaker was mishandled or torqued down on a
>non-flat baffle? Doesn't the wider gap hurt efficiency?
Yes, I opened the gap very slightly, since a lot of people were screwing these
down tight onto the baffle, using 8 screws (you were only supposed to use four
of the bolt holes and just finger tighten the screws). The wider gap didn't
really hurt efficiency all that much - you couldn't really hear much
difference, even side by side. That change, I didn't really consider as one
of the "improvements", just an idiot proofing move.
>With that said, I have a D130 (no F) in my Vibroclone and it kicks major ass.
>I also have a D120F and a K120 in my Twin, which is a paint-peeler. (And a
>back breaker.)
>
>When is someone going to recreate those beauties?
>How heavy were those magnets?
Ted Weber of VST has all my original design changes and he was talking about
bringing out the D120F and D130F recreations. The whole "magnetic assembly"
was around 8 pounds, as I recall (maybe more). It's been a while. <g>
Harvey Gerst
>Harvey,
>Can you still get a D130 reconed? If so, what is the best cone kit to
>use in an open back guitar cab?
Kahuna,
I haven't kept up with it. I think they only have "E" kits available now, so
I don't know what changes were made to the original D130Fs after I left.
Harvey Gerst
>
>Maybe it has been awhile Harvey... I remember the magnet structure of
>the D120F and D130F as being 11 1/2 pounds. It always seemed like a
>nice round number to me!!
I think you're right about the weight. It's been a few years since I've given
it any thought.
>I would really be nice to be able to pickup D130 clones... do you
>think anything is going to materialize of Weber's plans?
I don't know what they're gonna do. I had a long talk with Ted Weber about it
a while back (about a year and a half ago, I think), but nothing has come of
it, at least so far.
Harvey Gerst
>Just another opinion, but as a user of JBL speakers from "D" series through
>present day models, I felt that every new speaker was better than the last. I
>still have a number of "K" series speakers (10s, 12s & 15s) taking punishment
>and sounding great after 25 years.
I can't say anything about the later models. They made those after I left JBL.
I can only take credit (and the blame) for the "D" series. <G>
Hack butchers suck
>up too well. I redesigned them, added the D110F and the D140F to the line
>(both new speakers, designed specifically for guitar and electric bass),
>changed the model number of the redesigned D131 to D120F, and the new,
>improved version of the D130 became the D130F.
>
>Harvey Gerst
Harvey, didn't those "improvements" include making the voice coil gaps wider so
the things wouldn't rub if the speaker was mishandled or torqued down on a
non-flat baffle? Doesn't the wider gap hurt efficiency?
With that said, I have a D130 (no F) in my Vibroclone and it kicks major ass.
I also have a D120F and a K120 in my Twin, which is a paint-peeler. (And a
back breaker.)
When is someone going to recreate those beauties?
How heavy were those magnets?
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Kahuna
Can you still get a D130 reconed? If so, what is the best cone kit to
use in an open back guitar cab?
regards,
Kahuna
<har...@ITRstudio.com> writes:
>The D130 and D131 (12" version of the D130) WERE being used, but not
holding
>up too well. I redesigned them, added the D110F and the D140F to the
line
>(both new speakers, designed specifically for guitar and electric
bass),
>changed the model number of the redesigned D131 to D120F, and the new,
>improved version of the D130 became the D130F.
>
>Harvey Gerst
JoeArthur
Maybe it has been awhile Harvey... I remember the magnet structure of
the D120F and D130F as being 11 1/2 pounds. It always seemed like a
nice round number to me!!
I would really be nice to be able to pickup D130 clones... do you
think anything is going to materialize of Weber's plans?
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:03:39 -0600, Harvey Gerst
<har...@ITRstudio.com> wrote:
trem...@aol.com.no.uce (Hack butchers suck) wrote:
>>The D130 and D131 (12" version of the D130) WERE being used, but not holding
>>up too well. I redesigned them, added the D110F and the D140F to the line
>>(both new speakers, designed specifically for guitar and electric bass),
>>changed the model number of the redesigned D131 to D120F, and the new,
>>improved version of the D130 became the D130F.
>>
>>Harvey Gerst
>
>Harvey, didn't those "improvements" include making the voice coil gaps wider so
>the things wouldn't rub if the speaker was mishandled or torqued down on a
>non-flat baffle? Doesn't the wider gap hurt efficiency?
Yes, I opened the gap very slightly, since a lot of people were
screwing these
down tight onto the baffle, using 8 screws (you were only supposed to
use four
of the bolt holes and just finger tighten the screws). The wider gap
didn't
really hurt efficiency all that much - you couldn't really hear much
difference, even side by side. That change, I didn't really consider
as one
of the "improvements", just an idiot proofing move.
>With that said, I have a D130 (no F) in my Vibroclone and it kicks major ass.
>I also have a D120F and a K120 in my Twin, which is a paint-peeler. (And a
>back breaker.)
>
>When is someone going to recreate those beauties?
>How heavy were those magnets?
Ted Weber of VST has all my original design changes and he was talking
about
bringing out the D120F and D130F recreations. The whole "magnetic
assembly"
was around 8 pounds, as I recall (maybe more). It's been a while. <g>
Harvey Gerst
Mark
present day models, I felt that every new speaker was better than the last. I
still have a number of "K" series speakers (10s, 12s & 15s) taking punishment
and sounding great after 25 years.
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Dean Yiapis
want to try the Chicago Blues from Weber VST. But while I was searching
the web I found that JBL sells the E120 speakers. I don't know what the
differences are, but you can view the stats at;
http://www.jblpro.com
Look under components and see if that's what you had been using. Mind you,
I don't know my anus from a ditch when it comes to speakers, but the others
on this NG might be able to enlighten you.
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Dean Yiapis
this post apears twice;
I recently asked about obtaining some JBL D120's for my ProReverb, and was
told about the Cicago Blues from Weber VST. But as I was searching the
web, I found that JBL sells the E120. I don't know my anus from a ditch,
when it comes to speakers, so I'll let the more informed on this NG let you
know what they think about them. The E120's can be seen with thier stats
at;
http://www.jblpro.com
Look under components, you'll fine 'em there.
JAlbin1916
>Almost, Rich
>
>The D130 and D131 (12" version of the D130) WERE being used, but not holding
>up too well. I redesigned them, added the D110F and the D140F to the line
>(both new speakers, designed specifically for guitar and electric bass),
>changed the model number of the redesigned D131 to D120F, and the new,
>improved version of the D130 became the D130F.
>
>Harvey Gerst
>Indian Trail Recording Studio
>http://www.ITRstudio.com/
And a fine job of designing those puppies you did indeed, Harvey. I've got a
D130F in my brownface Pro. When I bought the amp, it had an awful sounding
Realistic in it, so I had to do something. I remember people trying to talk me
into EVM's at the time (early '80's), but I'm glad I went with the JBL. It
still sounds great, and has never given me any trouble. Must be that aluminum
dustcap, eh?
-John
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Hack butchers suck
>told about the Cicago Blues
These modern ceramic magnet speakers are nice, but they don't come close to a
real JBL.
Teleologist
says...
> I tried to reply to this post earlier and my server hiccuped, excuse me if
> this post apears twice;
> web, I found that JBL sells the E120. I don't know my anus from a ditch,
> when it comes to speakers, so I'll let the more informed on this NG let you
> know what they think about them. The E120's can be seen with thier stats
> at;
> http://www.jblpro.com
> Look under components, you'll fine 'em there.
>
guy I know(and occasionally borrow the amp from). They're a little
brighter and harsher than the DF's and K's but much closer than the
Weber Chicagos IMHO. They are fairly expensive, heavy, and won't fit
everywhere a DF will due to the diameter of the ceramic magnet(should be
fine in a Pro Reverb though).
SmartParts here in Chicago(Fender's national parts distributor and an
official JBL Pro service center) recones 120 & 130 series DFs and Ks
with E kits with little change in sound after some break-in(not sure
about 110s, 140s, or older D's), so if you can find some blown oldies
for a decent price it is possible to bring them back to life for usually
about the same price as buying new Es. Their web address is
http://www.partssmart.com Give 'em a call or Email about current recone
pricing - they're a little more expensive to do than Jensens. I'd guess
that other JBL service centers do the same thing.
I expect that when aliens land here a few thousand years from now,
they'll probably find an old D120F still going strong - Harvey done real
good on these babies :)
ALAN THOMPSON
know they delayed the release of the amps until they could get a speaker
like the old JBL's. I have no knowledge of who exactly is making them for
them or if they are successful clones, but it might be something to look
into for guys into JBL's (didn't Guitar Player include them in one of their
shootouts?).
A.T.
Hack butchers suck <trem...@aol.com.no.uce> wrote in message
news:20000126203544...@ng-cg1.aol.com...
> >The D130 and D131 (12" version of the D130) WERE being used, but not
holding
> >up too well. I redesigned them, added the D110F and the D140F to the
line
> >(both new speakers, designed specifically for guitar and electric bass),
> >changed the model number of the redesigned D131 to D120F, and the new,
> >improved version of the D130 became the D130F.
> >
> >Harvey Gerst
>
> Harvey, didn't those "improvements" include making the voice coil gaps
wider so
> the things wouldn't rub if the speaker was mishandled or torqued down on a
> non-flat baffle? Doesn't the wider gap hurt efficiency?
>
> With that said, I have a D130 (no F) in my Vibroclone and it kicks major
ass.
> I also have a D120F and a K120 in my Twin, which is a paint-peeler. (And
a
> back breaker.)
>
> When is someone going to recreate those beauties?
> How heavy were those magnets?
>
>
>
>
Michael Goretz
that they were also going to reproduce JBL speaker copies.
Harvey Gerst
>I read somewhere, that somebody was resurrecting the "Standell" name, and
>that they were also going to reproduce JBL speaker copies.
I think that was Bob Crooks, the original owner, and Frank Cates, the original
sales manager for Standel (only one "L"). Frank called me a while back to ask
about the original "DF" speakers and asked if he could have Ted Weber (of
Weber VST) call me to get some of the details. I talked to Ted at long
length, and he even put up a page at:
http://www.webervst.com/whatsnew.html
announcing it, but he never went thru with the project, as far as I know.
Teleologist
zomb...@worldnet.att.net says...
> I think the Standel company has had the D120F cloned for their new amps, I
> know they delayed the release of the amps until they could get a speaker
> like the old JBL's. I have no knowledge of who exactly is making them for
> them or if they are successful clones, but it might be something to look
> into for guys into JBL's (didn't Guitar Player include them in one of their
> shootouts?).
>
recall is that they wanted something like $400 for one - more than what
the shadiest vintage dealer will charge for an near-mint original! I
guess I can understand their wanting to repro them for use in their new
amps, but as an aftermarket speaker why pay more for a repro than an
original? JBL DFs aren't like the fragile original Jensens - they don't
blow easily, can still be reconed with near-original factory parts if
they do, and those aluminum baskets don't rust out. Perhaps a mint
Fender orange-frame one is worth saving on the shelf, but the grey-frame
signature ones were pretty common in PAs back in the 60s & 70s and some
usually show up at most vintage guitar shows or in the dealer listings
in Vintage Guitar magazine.
Jim
Rich Koerner
Harvey Gerst wrote:
> Almost, Rich
>
> The D130 and D131 (12" version of the D130) WERE being used, but not holding
> up too well. I redesigned them, added the D110F and the D140F to the line
> (both new speakers, designed specifically for guitar and electric bass),
> changed the model number of the redesigned D131 to D120F, and the new,
> improved version of the D130 became the D130F.
Harvey, when did the aluminum voice coil appear in the 120's and 130's?
Harvey Gerst
>Harvey Gerst wrote:
>
>> Almost, Rich
>>
>> The D130 and D131 (12" version of the D130) WERE being used, but not holding
>> up too well. I redesigned them, added the D110F and the D140F to the line
>> (both new speakers, designed specifically for guitar and electric bass),
>> changed the model number of the redesigned D131 to D120F, and the new,
>> improved version of the D130 became the D130F.
>Harvey, when did the aluminum voice coil appear in the 120's and 130's?
Rich,
The D120 and D30's have always had aluminum voice coils. Copper wire was used
primarily for woofers (greater mass, and better heat transfer, etc. The
lighter weight of the aluminum voice coils contributed to the extended high
end response.) The D140 had a copper voice coil.
gber...@alliantintegrators.com
Lord Valve
> I called jbl yesterday they quit making guitar speakers. I guess clean clean it's not important anymore ( to the West Coast anyway.. too bad shred on
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