Jimi Hendrix amp
chris
I would suggest a Blackface Fender Bassman Head paired with a Marshall 4X10
cab loaded with Celestions. You can get this rig for about $600 and it is
the EXACT tone as the Slow Voodoo Chile!!! Yopu could use the leftover doe
to buy a Fuzz, Octavia, Uni-Vibe, and a good Wah
WaRiOr wrote in message <34AC2B...@geocities.com>...
>Hi
>
>I'm buying a new amp... what kind of amp do you suggest for sounding
>closest to Hendrix?
>
>Please keep it in 1500 $ limit
>
>Thanks for all your answers
WaRiOr
Tas2020
> what kind of amp do you suggest for sounding
>closest to Hendrix?
A Marshall 100 super lead with 6550's.
TAS
smar...@hotmail.com
WaRiOr wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I'm buying a new amp... what kind of amp do you suggest for sounding
> closest to Hendrix?
>
>
> Thanks for all your answers
i know you asked about an amp but the most essential ingrediant
in the hendrix sound were the fuzz units ...
to this end check out the voodoo labs proctaivia
when i heard that unit i finally understood how hendrix did so many
things
and got such cool sounds out of an otherwise simple setup
if there is one holy grail ingrediant in the hendrix sound this is it
for amplifier suggestions
a cheap used marshall 4 12 .. i have prefrences but you have a budget
....
chose a jtm 45 style marshall head
new reissue is fine
an older 70's marshall bass head would be perfect
(if you get the older bass head you need to add a .005 mfd cap
to the volume control for briteness)
contrary to what you will read in this newsgroup ... and for some
hendrix is becoming a matter of religious dogma .. hendrix got HIS sound
out of many amplifiers and while the super lead type marshall is
associated with hendrix, he used the super bass variety according to
some reports ... and his earliest marshalls were of the super rare jtm
45/100 variety which is more like a 100 watt jtm 45 than the later super
lead stuff or the re issue 100 watters ..
bottom line my closest hendrix sounds come from a
69 marshall 4-12 loaded with greenback 30h's
driven by either a 69 metal front 100 bass head with the cap added
or a 73 50 watt bass head with the brite cap added
the essentail ingrediant as i wrote is really great fuzz
this is not expensive to buy but hard to find these days
the magic word here is germainium
scuse me while i kiss this guy
(yes henrix acutally sang this several times winking at noel redding)
proving once and for all that he took himself far less seriously than we
do
pat
Carlginger
>to this end check out the voodoo labs proctaivia
>when i heard that unit i finally understood how hendrix did so many
>things
>and got such cool sounds out of an otherwise simple setup
>if there is one holy grail ingrediant in the hendrix sound this is it
If you're talking about studio sounds, forget, we'll never know what was used
on each individual track.
For live, that's another story. The "Proctavia"?
That's an Octavia copy. That's responsible for the "octave-up"
sounds like in "Who Knows". Hendrix rarely used it live.
It was used for BOG's and maybe one show in the Spring of '70.
...And I even question if the Proctavia is a true copy of the
(only a couple built) Octavio's by Roger Mayer.
Even Roger's mass-marketed "Octavia" isn't the same as the "Octavio".
>the essentail ingrediant as i wrote is really great fuzz
>this is not expensive to buy but hard to find these days
>the magic word here is germainium
The magic word is "SILICON". The Germanium fuzz will never get the same gain
you hear on Machine Gun and Star Spangled Banner. I don't care how loud the amp
is turned up.
The BC-108-C will get you Hendrix's Isle of Wight (later 70's)
sounds. When he steps on the wah, it oscilates like crazy.
IMO, the BOG, Woodstock tone isobtained from the rare BC-183L.
I just found an old Fulltone (#51) 70 Pedal with these transistors,
and theses are the closest I've heard to match those sounds.
It cleans up great when you turn the guitar's volume down, plus, when you hit
the wah, you get that trebly sustain just like Woodstock.
Carl
S. Hart
On 2 Jan 1998 12:21:34 GMT, carlg...@aol.com (Carlginger) wrote:
>The BC-108-C will get you Hendrix's Isle of Wight (later 70's)
>sounds. When he steps on the wah, it oscilates like crazy.
>IMO, the BOG, Woodstock tone isobtained from the rare BC-183L.
>I just found an old Fulltone (#51) 70 Pedal with these transistors,
>and theses are the closest I've heard to match those sounds.
Are these the same as found in current '70 Pedals, or did something
change?
Robert Barkshire
Don't forget about the Twin's he used in the studio!!
Rob
DBloozz
>what kind of amp do you suggest for sounding
>closest to Hendrix?
>
>
Buy a Fender Twin reissue and some foot pedals.....no kidding.
Peace
DBloozz
DBloozz
>A Marshall 100 super lead with 6550's
6550's are a American sound tube like a 6L6. The only difference is
that Jimi wanted the American tube sound at mega voluum. With the P.A.s today
and/or the size of the clubs today you don't need or want this kind of volumn.
Jimi had a clear sound except for the foot pedals.
Peace
DBloozz
Carlginger
>Subject: Re: Jimi Hendrix amp
>From: dbl...@aol.com (DBloozz)
>Date: Fri, Jan 2, 1998 16:06 EST
>Message-id: <19980102210...@ladder02.news.aol.com>
Hendrix' live sound was pretty dirty even when he wasn't
using the fuzz.
The beginning of Voodoo Child wasn't dead clean by a longshot.
Carl
TimTube
>
Hi
I'm buying a new amp... what kind of amp do you suggest for
>sounding
closest to Hendrix?
Please keep it in 1500 $ limit
Thanks for all
>your answers
If you can play like Hendrix, the amp will not matter that much...Hendrix could
sound like Hendrix out of anything. But for $1500, you could by a beat up early
'70s full stack and at least get the look right. Well, after regrilling the
cabs.
Tim
A great amp can make a lousy guitar sound great.
A lousy amp will make a great guitar sound lousy.
patg...@hotmail.com
Carlginger wrote:
>
> >to this end check out the voodoo labs proctaivia
> >when i heard that unit i finally understood how hendrix did so many
> >things
> >and got such cool sounds out of an otherwise simple setup
> >if there is one holy grail ingrediant in the hendrix sound this is it
a pedal called the proctaivia in duplicating hendrix sounds ...
first off i did not make claims as to the pedigree of this pedal
that is irrelevent ...
the key here is that the proctaivia/octaivia effect is one of the most
misunderstood ingrediants in HENDRIX sound ...
and i'll go out on a limb here and write that anyonewho argues this
point has probably not worked with the proctaivia pedal i'm refering
to... if they had they would realize just how prevelant
HENDRIX use of octave fuzz is on the albums ... after i aquired my
proctaivia and worked with it for a while i relistended to the old
hendrix records and was shocked to hear its unique effect on more than
50% of the cuts as early as "are you experienced" ..
the key here is that hendrix used the octave pedal for more than just
the "cheezy" octave effect ... when one pounds an already distorted
signal with the octave type device the result is somewhat unpredictable
and definately extreme... good examples of alternate uses of this effect
can be heard in third stone from the sun some of the wild rumbles .. and
in particular Love or confusion .. when the trem rumble drops happen
illustrates the explosive marshall effect of the octave fuzz provides...
.. doubt me if you must but check one of these pedals out and use it to
push other fuzz units and use it to enhance the low end grind as well as
lead lines ...
> For live, that's another story. The "Proctavia"?
> That's an Octavia copy. That's responsible for the "octave-up"
> sounds like in "Who Knows". Hendrix rarely used it live.
> It was used for BOG's and maybe one show in the Spring of '70.
> ...And I even question if the Proctavia is a true copy of the
> (only a couple built) Octavio's by Roger Mayer.
> Even Roger's mass-marketed "Octavia" isn't the same as the "Octavio".
for the sake of argument i will outline the pedigree of the voodoo lab
pedal.. i must point out that the folks at voodoo lab
didn't even know this story...
here goes ... there was a small company out of california called
TYCOBRAHE ... they made some cool pedals including a pedal called the
octaivia ...
for those who don't know the voodoo labs people they make
reproductions of cool pedals ... by defunct companies
the TYCOBRAHE OCTAIVIA is just such a defunct yet desirable pedal
so the voodoo doods copy that pedal and work away at making themselves a
living ..
last jan i had the priviledge of attending the NAMM show
and at that event i set out to find the coolest retro type fuzz pedals i
could... now i auditioned many of the boutique units
out there though i point out not all... (ever tried to see it all at a
NAMM show?) now at that time i hooked up with the voodoo people and was
totally impressed with their entire lineup
the proctavia was checked out but at the time i considered it as a
circus sideshow freak kind of pedal ... though i noted its musicality..
most octave pedals are HORRIBLE.
and so among other prizes aquired at such a shopping spree i returned
with the proctavia and a few other voodoo items
as i said at first i treated the proctaivia as a sideshow item
...untill i realized the true power of this evil tool of overdrive...
now to return to our pedigree story .. a couple of months ago in guitar
player there was a retro pedal write up describing the history of
certain defunct pedal purveyors...
needless to say among the featured copmpanies was the history of
TYCOBRAHE .. who it turns out go their start in maunfacturing
when mr NOEL REDDING requested they fix his octaivia pedal
and (ha ha ) make him a copy ... now the good fellows at TYCOBRAHE
promptly ripped off roger mayers octaivia and went to town...
now as i said the voodoo labs people had no idea of this story when i
originally spoke to them about their product ...
but if theirs is a copy of the TYCOBRAHE pedal
then there you go ....
> >the essentail ingrediant as i wrote is really great fuzz
> >this is not expensive to buy but hard to find these days
> >the magic word here is germainium
now the magic word may be silicon or germainium or both... but certainly
anyone intresed in HENDRIX sounds better become an expert on 66-70 era
fuzz and their various reproductions...
personally i would consider my fuzz pedal collection a more valuable
asset in the hendrix (or overall ) tone department than either my old
strats or old marshalls ...
be aware that some of the better known re issue pedals ie the FACE type
sound like poo and do not use the right silicone or germainium bits as
with most reisseus they merely look right..
>
> The magic word is "SILICON". The Germanium fuzz will never get the same gain
> you hear on Machine Gun and Star Spangled Banner. I don't care how loud the amp
> is turned up.
> The BC-108-C will get you Hendrix's Isle of Wight (later 70's)
> sounds. When he steps on the wah, it oscilates like crazy.
> IMO, the BOG, Woodstock tone isobtained from the rare BC-183L.
> I just found an old Fulltone (#51) 70 Pedal with these transistors,
> and theses are the closest I've heard to match those sounds.
> It cleans up great when you turn the guitar's volume down, plus, when you hit
> the wah, you get that trebly sustain just like Woodstock.
i will make it a point to check out one of these fulltone pedals
asap if only i can wrangle another ticket to LA LA land and the big
show ...
pat
Carlginger
>carlginger expressed some doubt as to the usefullness of
>a pedal called the proctaivia in duplicating hendrix sounds ...
>first off i did not make claims as to the pedigree of this pedal
>that is irrelevent ...
>
>
>the key here is that the proctaivia/octaivia effect is one of the most
>misunderstood ingrediants in HENDRIX sound ...
>and i'll go out on a limb here and write that anyonewho argues this
>point has probably not worked with the proctaivia pedal i'm refering
>to... if they had they would realize just how prevelant
>HENDRIX use of octave fuzz is on the albums ... after i aquired my
>proctaivia and worked with it for a while i relistended to the old
>hendrix records and was shocked to hear its unique effect on more than
>50% of the cuts as early as "are you experienced" ..
>the key here is that hendrix used the octave pedal for more than just
>the "cheezy" octave effect ... when one pounds an already distorted
>signal with the octave type device the result is somewhat unpredictable
>and definately extreme... good examples of alternate uses of this effect
>can be heard in third stone from the sun some of the wild rumbles .. and
>in particular Love or confusion .. when the trem rumble drops happen
>illustrates the explosive marshall effect of the octave fuzz provides...
>
> .. doubt me if you must but check one of these pedals out and use it to
>push other fuzz units and use it to enhance the low end grind as well as
>lead lines ...
>
>All your gonna get when you stick an Octavia in front of a fuzz is a fuzz
octave-up effect. That sound is not on 50% of
Hendrix' tunes.
You hear that sound on the studio "Roomfull of Mirrors" and
"Drifter's Escape" That's a fuzz and Octavia together.
Many of the fuzz tones on the fist and second albums
were made by Roger Mayer.
How about the Star Spangled Banner, and the heavy fuzz in
the Purple Haze at Woodstock? You think that's an Octavia too?
Carl
>
TimTube
I would go out on a limb to say that this low end, explosive, grind on these
early Experience recordings is most likely the result of trying dozens of
germanium Fuzz Faces and picking the best of the best. These things are the
most inconsistent of any pedal I've ever tried, but when you get that magic
one, the low end will take your breath away, and they clean up perfectly. These
germanium transistors are all over the place when measured for gain, varying in
HFE from 40 to 140 or more. The great/magic sounding ones have a very
particular mismatch in the transistor gain, and they do the octave thing
wonderfully. Mike Fuller helped me restore an old one and I'm very
greatful...You could just leave it on all the time, it cleans up so well.
Paul Guy
Carlginger <carlg...@aol.com> wrote:
> >All your gonna get when you stick an Octavia in front of a fuzz is a fuzz
> octave-up effect. That sound is not on 50% of Hendrix' tunes. You hear
> that sound on the studio "Roomfull of Mirrors" and "Drifter's Escape"
> That's a fuzz and Octavia together. Many of the fuzz tones on the fist and
> second albums were made by Roger Mayer. How about the Star Spangled
> Banner, and the heavy fuzz in the Purple Haze at Woodstock? You think
> that's an Octavia too?
Well, Jimi *was* using an Octavia at Woodstock... The Octavia will
produce other effects than "just" octave up, due to its
frequency-modulation effects. It's even there in "Little Wing" in
places...
If you want the real deal, Roger Mayer still makes the Octavia, Axis
Fuzz and Classic Fuzz (repro of the Fuzz Face, optimised like the ones
he did for Jimi). See
Paul
--
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Katarina Bangata 65, 116 42 Stockholm , Sweden
My homepage: http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-37192
Mike Straker
You need more than an amp to sound like Jimi, son. anyways , get an old
silvertone 2-12 combo. Run a fuzz face, wah, and univibe, crank everything
all the way up. Then take three hits of acid and start to jam. Buy two
silvertones so you can keep playing when the first one blows up.
WaRiOr <war...@geocities.com> wrote in article
<34AC2B...@geocities.com>...
Stratoman
Also a right handed strat strung for a lefty and the angle of the single
coils would lead to
tonality in his sound. It's not just the equipment he used.
Regards,
Stratoman
Paul Guy wrote in message
<1d2aizl.42...@dialup72-4-32.swipnet.se>...
Fulltone
>Well, Jimi *was* using an Octavia at Woodstock... The Octavia will
>produce other effects than "just" octave up, due to its
>frequency-modulation effects. It's even there in "Little Wing" in
>places...
>
>
Wrong.....wrong, and more wrong. There is NO Octavia on Little Wing....and NO
Univibe either.....that's a leslie unit you hear on guitar and on vocals.
Michael Fuller/www.fulltone.com
Fulltone
> Mike Fuller helped me restore an old one and I'm very
>greatful...You could just leave it on all the time, it cleans up so well.
>
>
Yes, rent the Hendrix at Monterey Pop and watch what he does with a Fuzzface
throughout by just turning down the strat's volume control. The effects is "on"
more than it's "off" at that gig. Mike
Paul Guy
Fulltone <full...@aol.com> wrote:
Well I never said (or thought) there was a Univibe on "Little Wing"...
But Jimi *did* have an Octavia at Woodstock (you can see it in the
photos, apart from hearing it on some numbers)...
I may be wrong about the Octavia on "Little Wing", but Roger Mayer
says it's there...
Paul Guy
Carlginger
>Subject: Re: Jimi Hendrix FUZZ
>From: full...@aol.com (Fulltone)
>Date: Sat, Jan 3, 1998 20:50 EST
>Message-id: <19980104015...@ladder02.news.aol.com>
>
>>Well, Jimi *was* using an Octavia at Woodstock... The Octavia will
>>produce other effects than "just" octave up, due to its
>>frequency-modulation effects. It's even there in "Little Wing" in
>>places...
>>
>>
>
>Wrong.....wrong, and more wrong. There is NO Octavia on Little Wing....and NO
>Univibe either.....that's a leslie unit you hear on guitar and on vocals.
I knew this guy was gonna bite. I knew he didn't have a clue. Look at
pictures, or better yet, look at the Woodstock video.
No Octavia there, is there? You can look, but you won't find one.
Just a Vox Wah, Univibe and a high-powered Fuzz Face.
How can anybody who owns an Octavia type unit, listen
to Little Wing, and think there is Octavia in that tune?
You must have an ear made of tin!
Carl
Carlginger
>Message-id: <19980104015...@ladder02.news.aol.com>
It's "on" the whole gig. It's back by the amps, out of smashing range.
Carl
patg...@hotmail.com
Paul Guy wrote:
>
> Carlginger <carlg...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >All your gonna get when you stick an Octavia in front of a fuzz is a fuzz
> > octave-up effect. That sound is not on 50% of Hendrix' tunes. You hear
> > that sound on the studio "Roomfull of Mirrors" and "Drifter's Escape"
> > That's a fuzz and Octavia together. Many of the fuzz tones on the fist and
> > second albums were made by Roger Mayer. How about the Star Spangled
> > Banner, and the heavy fuzz in the Purple Haze at Woodstock? You think
> > that's an Octavia too?
>
> produce other effects than "just" octave up, due to its
> frequency-modulation effects. It's even there in "Little Wing" in
> places...
you will understand just how usefull hendrix found it
and how often he used it
> If you want the real deal, Roger Mayer still makes the Octavia, Axis
> Fuzz and Classic Fuzz (repro of the Fuzz Face, optimised like the ones
> he did for Jimi). See
>
those who have used the pedals know that they are
more than an octave device
thank you !!!
pat
patg...@hotmail.com
Carlginger wr
> How can anybody who owns an Octavia type unit, listen
> to Little Wing, and think there is Octavia in that tune?
> You must have an ear made of tin!
>
> Carl
might add ... if its there its not obvious ...
have you ever used the octaivia or porctaivia ???
because you seem real hung up on this issue and the octave effect
is not the sound we are talking about but a real unstable fuzz
and unstable crazy fuzz was used by hendrix all over the place
you may have discovered other devices that do this and i'm dying to know
about them .. but my point is will be and has been that
the proctaivia pedal commonly available thru voodoo labs dealers
provides great hendrix bang for the buck
now if you have tried this pedal then i am interested in your opinion ..
if you are an ignorant fool who thinks octaiva is
a digial processor that produces harmony effects then you have my
deepest sympathy ...if you haven't tried this pedal then do so and flame
me properly
pat
Carlginger
>Subject: Re: Jimi Hendrix FUZZ
>Date: Sun, Jan 4, 1998 04:12 EST
>Message-id: <34AF52...@hotmail.com>
First off, I'm a Hendrix collector for the last 25 years.
I have a library of Hendrix material. Audio, Video, photos, etc.
I have every live show and studio tape that is available
thru the collectors network.
I'm not some punk kid that thinks an Octavia is a Boss Harmony pedal.
Now, you keep talking about this Voodoo Lab Proctavia like it was the holy
grail.
I've owned a Roger Mayer Octavia and Fulltone's Octafuzz,
which by the way is the best sounding of all the Octavia-type
units, imo. I did a lot of A/B comparing.
In 1984 I got to spend a day with Roger Mayer in NYC
and picked his brain with every question I could think of.
I also had one of his earlier Octavias with the optical switch.
As far as the first Hendrix album, sure there may be combinations of pedals
used in the studio. We'll never know.
I go more by what I'm hearing at the live shows.
It's easier to determine by video, photos, etc. what he's playing thru.
Now, if you say the key to Hendrix' sound is an Octavia,
you're wrong. It was just an effect he used mostly in the
studio and certainly not on every track.
Live, he hardly used it. It was used for the four BOG shows
at the Fillmore East, and the cut-short show by the BOGs at Madison Sq. Garden
on Jan. 28th.
PS, if you're such a fan of the effect, check out Fulltone's Octafuzz, it's
the best one.
To even suggest there is Octavia in Little Wing shows you
don't have a very good ear for what you're hearing.
Delicate chord structures played clean thru a Leslie,
and you think there is a distorting Octave-up effect on that?
Carl
Carlginger
>> Well, Jimi *was* using an Octavia at Woodstock... The Octavia will
>> produce other effects than "just" octave up, due to its
>> frequency-modulation effects. It's even there in "Little Wing" in
>> places...
>once you have heard a great octaivia type pedal
>you will understand just how usefull hendrix found it
>and how often he used it
>
See, now that's dead wrong. Anybody that has seen photos or the video of
Hendrix at Woodstock can see that for themselves.
He had a Vox wah, a Fuzz Face and a Univibe for that show.
So...there goes your theory, right out the window.
>
>
>
>> If you want the real deal, Roger Mayer still makes the Octavia, Axis
>> Fuzz and Classic Fuzz (repro of the Fuzz Face, optimised like the ones
>> he did for Jimi). See
>>
>those who have used the pedals know that they are
>more than an octave device
>
>thank you !!!
>pat
Well Pat, I have had all the R.M. pedals.
If Jimi used a Germanium Fuzz at Monterey, it wasn't one of
Roger's Classic Fuzz type.
Hendrix' was able to clean up perfectly when he turned his guitar down.
Roger's Classic Fuzz didn't have this ability at all.
The Axis circuit sounds like something Hendrix might have used in the studio, I
still have mine, I like it.
And Roger's Octavia didn't really sound like the one Hendrix used as much as
Fulltone's Octafuzz does.
I A/B'd them and the Octafuzz was far and away the better sounding unit.
Carl
Fulltone
<<those who have used the pedals know that they are
more than an octave device>>
Hi, I have seen the inside of one of Jimi's original "Octavios".(yes Octavio it
was called) which now belongs to a tech for Keith Richards. It very closely
resembles the old Tycobrahe Octavia (which came after in @1972) and looks
nothing like what Roger Mayer sells now as the Octavia. My company makes (since
1994) an EXACT copy of the Tycobrahe..not close.exact....down to the Motorola
brand MPSA18 and 6519 Transistors. I also copied, exactly, the Transformer. If
you want that sound, I suggest an original Tycobrahe ($850) or my Octafuzz
($169) Mike Fuller http://www.fulltone.com.
Paul Guy
Fulltone <full...@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi, I have seen the inside of one of Jimi's original "Octavios".(yes
> Octavio it was called) which now belongs to a tech for Keith Richards. It
> very closely resembles the old Tycobrahe Octavia (which came after in
> @1972) and looks nothing like what Roger Mayer sells now as the Octavia.
It is well documented - in "Hendrix - Electric Gypsy", "Hendrix -
Setting the Record Straight", and many other places - that Jimi used
Roger's Octavia (starting with "Purple Haze") and other devices. This is
confirmed by both Eddie Kramer and Gerry Stickells, and remember that
they were actually *there*.
Of course Jimi used many other effects too!
Paul
Paul Guy
Carlginger <carlg...@aol.com> wrote:
> To even suggest there is Octavia in Little Wing shows you
> don't have a very good ear for what you're hearing.
> Delicate chord structures played clean thru a Leslie,
> and you think there is a distorting Octave-up effect on that?
No, of *course* not. I'm not *that* deaf! I have already said in another
post that "I may be wrong about the Octavia on "Little Wing", but Roger
Mayer says it's there...", I assumed it was in the single-string part
somewhere (mixed low...).
As to "Octavia at Woodstock?", my copy of "Hendrix - Electric Gypsy" is
loaned out right now, but I would have sworn that there was a square
grey box (the originals weren't in the "Rocket" boxes, of course)
connected between Jimi's wah and his Fuzz Face in one of the pictures
from Woodstock in that book.
Carlginger
>
>No, of *course* not. I'm not *that* deaf! I have already said in another
>post that "I may be wrong about the Octavia on "Little Wing", but Roger
>Mayer says it's there...", I assumed it was in the single-string part
>somewhere (mixed low...).
>
Roger Mayer said an Octavia was used in other things such as Star Spangled
Banner, which is false.
>As to "Octavia at Woodstock?", my copy of "Hendrix - Electric Gypsy" is
>loaned out right now, but I would have sworn that there was a square
>grey box (the originals weren't in the "Rocket" boxes, of course)
>connected between Jimi's wah and his Fuzz Face in one of the pictures
>from Woodstock in that book.
>
>Paul
I got the book. It's a Band of Gypsy photo you're reffering to
that has a clear view of his pedals. Not Woodstock.
In the BOG video, you can clearly see Hendrix turning thing on and off.
When he hit the Octavia with a clean sound, he gets the
effect that's in the end of "Who Knows"
When he hits the Octavia while the fuzz is "on",
he gets the sound you hear toward the end of "We Got To
Live Together.
That tune is 5 minutes on the album, 20 minutes as it went down
that night.
Carl
patg...@hotmail.com
Carlginger wrote> the best one.
> To even suggest there is Octavia in Little Wing shows you
> don't have a very good ear for what you're hearing.
> Delicate chord structures played clean thru a Leslie,
> and you think there is a distorting Octave-up effect on that?
>
i did not suggest there was an octavia type effect on the track little
wing
to be fair to the guy who suggested it i took the time to listen again
though like most of us i know the song well ..
no octavia on little wing
lets repeat
NO OCTAVIA ON LITTLE WING
the original point of entry to this whole discussion was to point out
that hendrix' use of Marshalls was not as essentail as his creativity
with and common use of fuzz units
i also wanted to point out that tones which sometimes are considered too
clean to be thought of as fuzz are .. indeed fuzztones that clean up way
better than most of the currently
available units ...
i hoped to prompt a discussion as to what are some of the better
smooth and cool fuzz units out there
that this whole thing has degenerated into a rant regarding hendrix's
supposed use of the octavia pedal on little wing ( something i did not
assert ) shows just how badly some people
want to own the ghost of hendrix and offer his official press realeases
now lets talk about cool fuzz
pat
TimTube
In article <19980104203...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, carlg...@aol.com
(Carlginger) writes:
>
>
>No, of *course* not. I'm not *that* deaf! I have already said in
>another
>post that "I may be wrong about the Octavia on "Little Wing", but
>Roger
>Mayer says it's there...", I assumed it was in the single-string
>part
>somewhere (mixed low...).
>
Roger Mayer said an Octavia was used in
>other things such as Star Spangled
Banner, which is false.
It sures sounds like it is used on the orchestrated studio version on "Rainbow
Bridge". BTW, does anyone know where the live version of "Hear My Train" on
this album was recorded? That is my favorite Hendrix cut of all time. Berkley?
Royal Albert Hall?
Carlginger
>used in
>>other things such as Star Spangled
>Banner, which is false.
>
>It sures sounds like it is used on the orchestrated studio version on
>"Rainbow
>Bridge". BTW, does anyone know where the live version of "Hear My Train" on
>this album was recorded? That is my favorite Hendrix cut of all time.
>Berkley?
>Royal Albert Hall?
>
>Tim
>
>A great amp can make a lousy guitar sound great.
It probably was used on the studio SPB, I was refering
to the live Woodstock version.
That Hear my Train was recorded at Berkeley 5/39/70.
Carl
Jeff Vineburg
>> >to this end check out the voodoo labs proctaivia
Why do I not like the sound of this pedal's name? I can't think of it
without remembering my last physical.
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Stein Ballangrud Andersen
patg...@hotmail.com writes:
> carlginger expressed some doubt as to the usefullness of
> a pedal called the proctaivia in duplicating hendrix sounds ...
> first off i did not make claims as to the pedigree of this pedal
> that is irrelevent ...
Why not just get a Roger Meyer Fuzzface, like Jimi used, hook it up
between a strat and a Marshall and play along?
Stein
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Kamchak Tuchuk
On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:14:40 GMT, nos...@my.house (Jeff Vineburg)
wrote:
>>> >to this end check out the voodoo labs proctaivia
>
>Why do I not like the sound of this pedal's name? I can't think of it
>without remembering my last physical.
>
I'm with you on that one!
john k. novack
>
> Why not just get a Roger Meyer Fuzzface, like Jimi used, hook it up
> between a strat and a Marshall and play along?
or know that jimi coulda used anything that you gave him
he didn't design gear, or even ask that gear was built to his specs, he just used what
people gave him
and used the bejeezus out of it....he "jimi'd" it...
John Kelley Brown
Fulltone wrote:
> <<those who have used the pedals know that they are
> more than an octave device>>
>
> Hi, I have seen the inside of one of Jimi's original "Octavios".(yes Octavio it
> was called) which now belongs to a tech for Keith Richards. It very closely
> resembles the old Tycobrahe Octavia (which came after in @1972) and looks
> nothing like what Roger Mayer sells now as the Octavia. My company makes (since
> 1994) an EXACT copy of the Tycobrahe..not close.exact....down to the Motorola
> brand MPSA18 and 6519 Transistors. I also copied, exactly, the Transformer. If
> you want that sound, I suggest an original Tycobrahe ($850) or my Octafuzz
> ($169) Mike Fuller http://www.fulltone.com.
I probably should have bought one of yours, I tried building one recently, it
sounds, well, "interesting". It is actualy usable for some things but it does not
get that steel-drum sound Jimi gets on Band Of Gypsys. After all that work it's a
real let-down. Is getting the transformer right the main thing? Oh, by the way,
my Octavia copy sure looks real nice!
Kelley
John Kelley Brown
patg...@hotmail.com wrote:
> that this whole thing has degenerated into a rant regarding hendrix's
> supposed use of the octavia pedal on little wing ( something i did not
> assert ) shows just how badly some people
> want to own the ghost of hendrix and offer his official press realeases
>
> now lets talk about cool fuzz
> pat
Pat,
You of all people should know that Hendrix used a Digitek GSP Legond thru
a Soldano to get that Little Wing tone.
:-)
Kelley
Paul Guy
Kamchak Tuchuk <Jg...@ftc-i.net> wrote:
> nos...@my.house (Jeff Vineburg) wrote:
>
> >>> >to this end check out the voodoo labs proctaivia
> >
> >Why do I not like the sound of this pedal's name? I can't think of it
> >without remembering my last physical.
> >
>
> I'm with you on that one!
Reminds me of a joke:
This guy wants to be a proctologist, and he wants to be a really good
proctologist, so he decides to go down to the morgue after class and
practice a little.
Well, he uncovers the first guy and there is a cork in his butt! He
thinks it's a little strange, so he pulls it out and music starts
playing:
"...On the road again, just can't wait to get on the road again..."
The guy really freaks out! He runs and gets the M.A. and drags the poor
guy back to the table. "Look!" he says, and pulls the cork out again:
"...On the road again..."
The M.A. is totally unimpressed... "So what?" he says.
"Isn't that the most amazing thing you've ever seen?" the guy asked.
"Are you kidding?" says the M.A. "Any asshole can sing country music!"
(thanks Andrew, and KYATTS...)
Fulltone
> Is getting the transformer right the main thing?
It's a key component, you can't just get any unit and expect stellar results.
I've got tons of Tycobrahe Clone transformers that are custom-made if anyone
wants to buy one (some). Mike Fuller http://www.fulltone.com
Andrew McWhirter
Hi Mike,
Couple of questions:
Emmachissit? (Oz-speak for "how much is it?") I couldn't find it on your web
site (but maybe I didn't look hard enough).
Really long shot: Is anyone in Australia importing your pedals?
What's the difference between your Octafuzz and Ultimate Octave?
Cheers
Andrew
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Lotsatone
> You of all people should know that Hendrix used a Digitek GSP >Legond thru a
Soldano to get that Little Wing tone.
Bullshit. Jimi was playing a Paul Reed Smith into a MIDI rack full of
Alesis Quadraverbs---> to a Carvin solid state combo...which was then
mic'd...and that signal went into a Crate Blue Voodoo. ;)
Kevin Smith
Palmer College of Chiropractic
Jonathan Krogh
Lotsatone wrote in message
<19980110233...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>> You of all people should know that Hendrix used a Digitek GSP >Legond
thru a
>Soldano to get that Little Wing tone.
>
> Bullshit. Jimi was playing a Paul Reed Smith into a MIDI rack full of
>Alesis Quadraverbs---> to a Carvin solid state combo...which was then
>mic'd...and that signal went into a Crate Blue Voodoo. ;)
>
haha but you left out the fact that it was strung with 8's!!!
Kamchak Tuchuk
Lotsatone
>haha but you left out the fact that it was strung with 8's!!!
REALLY??? I thought it was strung with 7's. He must've been lifting
weights and feeling a little macho.
Jonathan Krogh
Lotsatone wrote in message
<19980111161...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>>haha but you left out the fact that it was strung with 8's!!!
>
> REALLY??? I thought it was strung with 7's. He must've been lifting
>weights and feeling a little macho.
>
>
>
>
no no,im pretty sure he was using 8's consistently,
i think youre confusing him with Tony Iommi putting 7's tuned to open G on
his parker fly running through a twin.
Lotsatone
>no no,im pretty sure he was using 8's consistently,
>i think youre confusing him with Tony Iommi putting 7's tuned to open G on
>his parker fly running through a twin.
I'm just trying to picture a Parker Fly with big mother of pearl cross
inlays.....
morritt
Actually, I have it on good authority that he was using 36 to 46 gauge
strings with 1,250 Traynor Bassmaster heads and ONE eight inch Radio Shack
Speaker - and he got a better tone than just about all of us!
Cheers!
Lotsatone wrote in message
<19980111161...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>>haha but you left out the fact that it was strung with 8's!!!
>
> REALLY??? I thought it was strung with 7's. He must've been lifting
>weights and feeling a little macho.
>
>
>
>
arc4786
morritt (mor...@passport.ca) wrote:
: Actually, I have it on good authority that he was using 36 to 46 gauge
I heard that he Played both a Gretsch double-cut AND an early Fender Lap
Steel thru an Original Ts 808 plugged into the front end of a Solid-state
Randall, all at the same time. Don't argue with me about it, either, man.
I saw him do it live at Disney World in Orlando. The Laser show was
Awesome!!! 8-D
--
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like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage."
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Lotsatone
>
>Didn't he use a VG-8?
Only w/ BOG. <GG>