Richie Blackmore/Deep Purple rig?
Grant Geddes
Does anybody know what rig Blackmore was using during the "Machine Head"
era? Guitar, amp ect? I'm trying to get as similar a sound as possible.
Thanks in advance for any insight!
Grant
Ed
Eddy.
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Eddy.
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Grant Geddes
have been the JCM 800?
Thanks again!
Grant
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PMG
heard he used Vox amps a lot in the studio.
IMO, that album is too well recorded for him to have used overkill
like 200watt Marshall heads to record it with. It's actually a rather
low key, mellow album for the most part.
200watt Marshall heads sounds like what he might have toured with
though.
Pete
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but you can't stay here.
Ed
to 1974, very rare now. The JCM800 is an 80's amp.
You would not need a 200w head though to get close to Ritchie's sound any
Marshall head would do, but better would be a 70's head. The old ones still
sound best.
Pete's right about Ritchie using Vox amps he used them in the early days
also Wem. But Im pretty sure he used some form of Marshall in the studio.
Richie uses Engl amps now though.
Eddy.
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SILENCER
was enormous. Loud as all fuck, too.
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Blkrckt
>I've never looked into what he recorded that album with, but I've
>heard he used Vox amps a lot in the studio.
VOX mostly for that album. Listen to the lead on "Lazy" for a good example.
Wonder if he "pre-amped" it with that tape recorder he would use for boosting?
PMG
I was looking for that CD this afternoon after posting that, but I
couldn't find it! I hate CDs. I used to always be able to find my
vinyl records!
So I put on the first Zep Lp instead because that one was easy to
find. Great stuff on that one.
I think Machine Head is somewhere near the computer though. I loved
the first side of Machine Head. Lazy was pretty good too though.
They were a very tight band on that Lp.
Pete
David Beardsley
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> I think Machine Head is somewhere near the computer though. I loved
> the first side of Machine Head. Lazy was pretty good too though.
> They were a very tight band on that Lp.
Who Do We Think We Are is an even more amazing album.
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PMG
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>> I think Machine Head is somewhere near the computer though. I loved
>> the first side of Machine Head. Lazy was pretty good too though.
>> They were a very tight band on that Lp.
>
>Who Do We Think We Are is an even more amazing album.
That, I never heard. Probably negligence on my part, because I've
heard OF it.
Ed
I have not listened to Machine Head for years so I stand corrected :)
I know Page recorded a lot with small amps, Supro etc.
Eddy.
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David Beardsley
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:19:41 -0400, "David Beardsley" <d...@biink.com>
> wrote:
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> >"PMG" <avo...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >> I think Machine Head is somewhere near the computer though. I loved
> >> the first side of Machine Head. Lazy was pretty good too though.
> >> They were a very tight band on that Lp.
> >
> >Who Do We Think We Are is an even more amazing album.
>
> That, I never heard. Probably negligence on my part, because I've
> heard OF it.
It was the next album after Highway Star, the last one with
Ian Gillan before he left the band the first time. It
got reissued as a remaster last year and sounds damm fine.
PMG
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>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:19:41 -0400, "David Beardsley" <d...@biink.com>
>> wrote:
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>> >"PMG" <avo...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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>> >
>> >> I think Machine Head is somewhere near the computer though. I loved
>> >> the first side of Machine Head. Lazy was pretty good too though.
>> >> They were a very tight band on that Lp.
>> >
>> >Who Do We Think We Are is an even more amazing album.
>>
>> That, I never heard. Probably negligence on my part, because I've
>> heard OF it.
>
>It was the next album after Highway Star, the last one with
>Ian Gillan before he left the band the first time. It
>got reissued as a remaster last year and sounds damm fine.
Some of the remastered stuff ends up being pretty darn good. A lot of
the first attempts at doing CDs of albums didn't work out very well.
PMG
And now there's a huge demand for Supro amps! That still cracks me
up. People pay premium prices for the Supro name, mostly because
Jimmy Page used one.
Pete
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Jerry Shaw
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> A friend of mine had a Marshall major...Christ the transformer in that
thing
> was enormous. Loud as all fuck, too.
A friend of mine has one. Back in the '70's he used to jam outside his
house and I could hear him from my house three blocks away. Brought the
cops every time he cranked it.
Jerry Shaw
"PMG" <avo...@attbi.com> wrote
> Some of the remastered stuff ends up being pretty darn good. A lot of
> the first attempts at doing CDs of albums didn't work out very well.
>
> Pete
There's a remastered version of Machine Head that came out a few years ago,
remixed by Roger Glover. It has a couple different versions of some songs,
with alternate solos. Also has very excellent/extensive liner notes - well
worth the $, even if you have the original release.
David Beardsley
The original is pretty damm good, the remaster is amazing.
Too bad Blackmore couldn't work with the band. Although I
miss him in the band, the latest version of the band ripps.
Thanks to some old friends from high school we had 3rd row
seats when I saw DP in NJ last Summer. I'm looking forward
to the new album.
PMG
Apparently I have the original release. I've heard much worse CD
masters than the original Machine Head CD release. There's stuff by
The Band on CD that's mastered so incredibly bad that I couldn't
believe that anyone would let it hit the market.
ASG
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Some comments on Blackmore's sound.
Blackmore's secret weapon is not the infamous modified Marshall Major but
the Vox AC30 used in the studio on the first three Purple albums then
Fireball to Slaves and Masters (I suspect In Rock was a mix of AC30 and
Marshall). I think a Marshall Major would have been too loud for the small
studios like De Lane Lea used from 1968 to 71 and especially the Grand Hotel
Montreaux where Machine Head was recorded. It is also widely known he wanted
his Marshalls to sound like his AC30. Blackmore has admitted the Marshalls
were chosen for looks not sound.
There is some controversy about what was done to his Marshall Majors,
Marshall say cascaded preamp, Blackmore says extra output stage.
Blackmore has at least two AC30s a normal one and one retrofitted into a
Marshall Bluesbreaker cabinet (probably so that the bands endorsement
arrangements with Marshall were not broken).
A recent issue of the Deep Purple Fanzine - Darker Than Blue shows the
corridor in the Grand Hotel with the Normal AC30 on the floor and the
"Marshall" AC30 on a table if you look closely the input jacks are on the
wrong side for a Marshall. Darker than Blue can be obtained from
http://www.deep-purple.net/. Pictures on the sleeve of Machine Head also
show the Vox AC30.
The Marshall Majors were used live up to 1975 (except where the AC30 / ES335
combo was used eg Wring that Neck and Child in Time up to 1970/71) with a
Hornby Skewes treble boost up to 73 (I just guessing but I thinks this may
be a Rangemaster clone) and with the Aiwa tape deck echo/preamp from 1974
(Burn tour). For a brief period in 1974 100 watt heads were used possibly as
a result of the discontinuation of the Major as they would be easier to
replace on tour.
From 1975 (the start of Rainbow) the Marshalls were for appearance only with
live sound coming from a backstage AC30. This info comes from someone who
worked for See Factor who did Rainbow's lights. Compare Deep Purple's Made
in Europe (Marshall) with Rainbow's Live in Germany (AC30) only two years or
so apart to hear the difference.
From 1979 (Down to Earth) to it is believed that an MXR Distortion + was
used with the AC30 and the tape deck (again the guy from See Factor).
Blackmore has always denied using distortion boxes but his interview with
the UK Guitarist magazine in Jan 1996 mentioned having the tape deck coupled
"with a fuzz box which I would have just on". This set up plus and octave
box (unknown make) was used up to 1992.
The Battle Rages On in 1993 sounds like something different (possibly Engl
Savages as used before he got his signature amp) were used even though
Marshall were again credited on the sleeve.
When Deep Purple reformed in 1984 amp heads were not seen onstage (except on
the first Australian gigs where late 70's heads are shown with non Marshall
4x12's) indeed on the main Perfect Strangers and the House of Blue Light
tours no amps or cabs were seen on stage at all, giving some creedance to
offstage amps.
Pickups play some part in the changing sound - Schecter pickups were used
from 1979 to 1986 (not SD Quarter Pounders as used on the Japanese Signature
Strat) then from 1986 to 1992 Bill Lawrence dual rail pickups and from 1993
to date Gold Lace sensors.
Regards
Andrew Good
Joe
JTM-45 chassis bolted into a AC-30 cabinet with bulldog speakers behind
these stacks.
Didn't get to check out the exact patching, that's when he came out having a
fit accusing me of trying to steal his setup, and give him a bad day
He had his TM cover it up in a black parachute.
I saw him recently at the Normandy bar in Long Island, I don't know what's
going on ...........makeup, plastic surgery ?
Hell, he looks like a Caucasian Little Richard.
-Joe
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somewhere else
A key ingredient to the formula is a vintage Strat minus the middle pick-up.
Mega treble on guitar before anything else!
Ed
with and without to compare...
http://www.gaspedal.com/bsm.htm
Eddy.
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adam
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> > I think Machine Head is somewhere near the computer though. I loved
> > the first side of Machine Head. Lazy was pretty good too though.
> > They were a very tight band on that Lp.
>
> Who Do We Think We Are is an even more amazing album.
>
ah come one, there second album the self titled "deep purple" is
increadble. no other deep purple album is like it. It is there one album
that does not have that deep purple sound, it has the deep purple sound
sometimes, but it has so many other also. Its almost prog rock at times.
Deffinetly worth checking out, they rereleased it awhile back, it really
shows off how flexable the band was, even though half the band changed
after that album.
adam
Ed
in the treble boost, so one of those and a Marshall or Vox AC30 would nail
it..Oh yeh and a Strat :)
Eddy.
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RonSonic
>Eddy, thanks much for the info! Any idea which marshall head? Would they
>have been the JCM 800?
That was before the 800's.
Think old four hole marshall. Though he claims his were modded and on the live
stuff it sure sounds like the cascaded gain stage of something like a 2203.
>Thanks again!
>Grant
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>> Plus a Hornby-Kues treble booster if that helps..
>>
>> Eddy.
>>
>> "Grant Geddes" <ged...@ggeddes.com> wrote in message
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>> > Apologies in advance if this question has been posted before!
>> > Does anybody know what rig Blackmore was using during the "Machine Head"
>> > era? Guitar, amp ect? I'm trying to get as similar a sound as possible.
>> > Thanks in advance for any insight!
>> > Grant
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
Ron
Delenda Est Carthago
RonSonic
>Plus a Hornby-Kues treble booster if that helps..
Never heard of it.
Tell more if you could please.
>Eddy.
>
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>> Apologies in advance if this question has been posted before!
>> Does anybody know what rig Blackmore was using during the "Machine Head"
>> era? Guitar, amp ect? I'm trying to get as similar a sound as possible.
>> Thanks in advance for any insight!
>> Grant
>>
>>
>
Ron
Delenda Est Carthago
RonSonic
>I've never looked into what he recorded that album with, but I've
>heard he used Vox amps a lot in the studio.
>
>IMO, that album is too well recorded for him to have used overkill
>like 200watt Marshall heads to record it with. It's actually a rather
>low key, mellow album for the most part.
A lot of neck pickup clean strat sound on that.
Don't rule out the Major, Mick Ronson used that a lot in the studio and it
worked for him.
>200watt Marshall heads sounds like what he might have toured with
>though.
>
>Pete
>
>On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:54:55 +0100, "Ed" <edhu...@nopentlworld.com>
>wrote:
>
>>He used a couple of 200w Marshall heads with four 4x12 cabs...
>>
>>Eddy.
>>
>>
>>"Grant Geddes" <ged...@ggeddes.com> wrote in message
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>>> Apologies in advance if this question has been posted before!
>>> Does anybody know what rig Blackmore was using during the "Machine Head"
>>> era? Guitar, amp ect? I'm trying to get as similar a sound as possible.
>>> Thanks in advance for any insight!
>>> Grant
>>>
>>>
>>
Ron
Delenda Est Carthago
Jerry
Contact Dawk
http://www.dawksound.com
He did some work for Blackmore. He does mods to Marshalls if you want it to
sound like Blackmore.
Jerry
Cybrchndriac
Learn something new every day. I never heard a Vox in person though. Maybe I
should for my own edification.
Machine Head was the first album I ever owned.
I recently bought the CD and started to really re-appreciate Ritchie
Blackmore.
Lazy kinda stuck in my head, whenever I go "bluesy" I'm probably
subconsciously pulling some of those riffs out of my head.
Highway Star is the killer track for me tho.
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D.G. Devin
>200watt Marshall heads sounds like what he might have toured with
>though.
Loudest band I ever heard, I once saw them in an ancient brick arena with a
wooden ceiling, Deep Purple played so loud the caulking between the planks
of the wood ceiling vibrated loose and sifted down like snow during their
gig. Hell of a show, the warmup acts were Rory Gallagher and the original
Fleetwood Mac, talk about an evening of guitar gods.
Miles O'Neal
> I prefer them live, Made in Japan I just love that album.
As I've noted a number of times, MH and
MIJ are two of my all time favorite albnums,
period.
"Lazy" is one of *the* best songs ever to
showcase the power of mixing a Hammond and
a guitar. If I could play "Lazy", I would
be one happy camper.
MH may just be the perfect studio album.
-Miles, usually prefers live albums
Miles O'Neal
> Machine Head was the first album I ever owned.
> I recently bought the CD and started to really re-appreciate Ritchie
> Blackmore.
> Lazy kinda stuck in my head, whenever I go "bluesy" I'm probably
> subconsciously pulling some of those riffs out of my head.
> Highway Star is the killer track for me tho.
STOP IT!
Now I have the whole album stuck in my head. [1][2]
My favorite track on Machine Head is whichever
one is playing at the moment. Any one of them is
likely to end up on repeat, too.
[1] Of course, that's not a bad thing...
[2] Come to think of it, it's stuck there
quite often.
PMG
Maybe I'm A Leo
Pictures Of Home
Ed
excellent. Plus the sound of that keyboard, you just can't beat valves and
Ritchie's sound at the start using a slight wah.
Eddy.
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have a listen to BSM HS custom..
http://www.gaspedal.com/bsm.htm
Eddy.
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Blkrckt
>Lazy" is one of *the* best songs ever to
>showcase the power of mixing a Hammond and
>a guitar. If I could play "Lazy", I would
>be one happy camper.
I'd teach ya but I'm too lazy.
Blkrckt
>I was checking out his setup in "Rainbow" (Calderone Concert Hall) he had a
>JTM-45 chassis bolted into a AC-30 cabinet with bulldog speakers behind
>these stacks.
Live Marshalls, but on Machine Head it was mostly VOX. I read it
somewhere...should not be too hard to find.
Blkrckt
>with the Aiwa tape deck echo/preamp from 1974
>(Burn tour).
That's what I was discussing earlier as sort of a "pre-amp". Thanks for the
comprehensive post.
Blkrckt
>He does mods to Marshalls if you want it to
>sound like Blackmore.
Blackmore live maybe. I still say Machine Head was mostly a VOX.
PMG
He could give you money.
He could give you bread!
PMG
I found the CD yesterday, and gave it a listen. Definitely a Voxish
sound.
Pete
Gamelan
> The Battle Rages On in 1993 sounds like something different (possibly Engl
> Savages as used before he got his signature amp) were used even though
> Marshall were again credited on the sleeve.
Those Engls are beasts.
Blkrckt
>He could give you money.
>He could give you bread!
I think I know every damn Bread song .
Blkrckt
>>showcase the power of mixing a Hammond and
>>a guitar.
I think the guitar tone on Lazy is one of the best specific examples of good
electric guitar tone I've ever heard.
Fearless Freep
like Blackmore.
The stars were definitely all lined up right when they recorded that. It all
came together: tone, playing, production. Even the bass was just rompin'.
One of the top 10 "just plain great in every way" songs of all time, no
doubt about it. Maybe top 5 of all time.
Freep
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> Who Do We Think We Are is an even more amazing album.
Seriously?
I don't like that album that much...
Of course, there are some great songs, as WFT or Mary Long...
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SickBoy
> ah come one, there second album the self titled "deep purple" is
Actually, it was the third album... :)
The second was "The Book Of Taliesyn"...
Blkrckt
>The stars were definitely all lined up right when they recorded that. It all
>came together: tone, playing, production.
Because of this thread I just went out and bought Machine Head: Anniversary 2CD
Edition. Crankin' it right now. Like it now better than when it came out.
Grant Geddes
I've posted on other new groups B4 (different questions and topics though)
and not rec'd one reply. :-(
This is most refreshing.
Anyway, am playing an old Gibson SG (1974 - my 16th bday present), and a
Fender Hot Rod DeVille, so not much chance of sounding like Richie eh?
Thanks again.
Sincerely,
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Cybrchndriac
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> I think I know every damn Bread song .
I like Bread! I've heard them described as a "chicks" band, but that guy
had one of the purest voices I've ever heard. "Diary" was a great tune.
Jerry Shaw
I like the previously unreleased "When a Blind Man Cries". I'd like to hear
the story behind that one.
PMG
through Mile's head. Bands like: The Archies, or The Turtles, or
Herman's Hermits...
...Mountain
Mississippi Queen, do you know what I mean?
Misses Brown you've got a lovely daughter
Sugar (doot doot doot doo dute doooo) ahh honey honey
So happy together...
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philthy
It
> all
> > >came together: tone, playing, production.
> >
> > Because of this thread I just went out and bought Machine Head:
> Anniversary 2CD
> > Edition. Crankin' it right now. Like it now better than when it came
out.
>
> I like the previously unreleased "When a Blind Man Cries". I'd like to
hear
> the story behind that one.
It's not previously unreleased, I've got it on a 7" single B-side somewhere
around here, aha it was on Never Before.
Phil